@@ItsJustKaya Spain has a lot of fishing... They have so much coastal areas and sea. Wikipedia says they have more fishing industry production than Britain.
I do like the idea that the fishermen battle, clearly a common and socially-expected activity among anyone who catches or uses pokemon in the setting, not for the actual battle, but to show off their gallery of cool fish they've caught. That approach of using a common social custom to express and show the work you put into your real passion, tying the two together, feels very real to me, and charming. And it also makes the inevitable fishermen in each region with 6 Magikarp or whatever be kinda hilarious in that light, like, either they're really not very good fishermen, or they *really* like Magikarp.
I LOVE when they can tie pokemon to trainer identity like this!! painters with smeargles, janitors with trubbish.. we get these extra hints of story just through normal gameplay and I LOVE IT!!
Iike to imagine that all the Magikarp have unusual sizes or something else about them is unique it's just that you can't tell because all the sprites are the same
@@Shadowonwater They actually have the patterns from Magikarp Jump, we just can't see them because we haven't opened our hearts to the wonder of Magikarp
They had too many glitches to fix, so they did not have time to add varied non player characters trainer classes I guess. And still the game had many glitches, but at least the story was not bad.
@@turkoositerapsidi isn't overqwil deadly to the touch? It's covered in long sharp poison tipped spines along its body. Plus fish don't like being hugged all too much, causes them a massive amount of stress.
I go fishing so I have an excuse to sit in a quiet place for a few hours with a nice view of some still water, with a cooler of snacks and drinks. Sometimes, I forget the poles
But you can sit in peace without fishing and if you are not being productive in any way anyway then anyone that complaints about you being lazy is still going to call you lazy. It is not exactly subtle if you go fishing with a pack of beer and come back without any fish, everyone knows you just wanted to drink beer and do nothing. Also, people really should not fish unless they actually want the fish, otherwise you are just engaging in the sadistic pleasure of torturing fish. The basic rule of hunting is that you should always kill your target and only target what you actually want to take and leave everything else alone, this should apply to both land and sea.
I do think its good to note, that these games come from Japan a country where overfishing and poaching is extremely common, especially of sharks. which plays into sharpedo dex entry since it is a shark.
At a time UA-cam is bloated with mediocre video essays, I didn't expect one about Fishing in Pokémon to be so thoughtful, interesting and fresh ! You really made me consider new things about that world. Great job, I loved it !
3:52 I think Basculin's dex entry implies that they're still eaten, since its meat is "more popular with the youth." It's just that they went from a staple food item to probably a more luxury one. The blue-striped Basculin dex entry also points out that it used to be a "common food item," with an emphasis on its rarity (or previous lack thereof) rather than its legality.
It's fitting you've dedicated a video to fishing this week, because this week I lost a friend who was a lifelong lover of fishing. Janet Messineo was an incredible woman who, upon moving to the island of Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts in her youth, discovered that there was a huge community of fishers there, and wanted a piece of it. So she got a rod, and ended up dedicating her entire life to it. She entered the fishing derby for 40-something years, and ended up winning countless prizes and getting featured on the covers of multiple fishing magazines for her prowess. She specialized in shore fishing, where rather than go on a boat or a dock, she would get a huuuuge fishing rod and cast off right from the sandy shores of the island, then drag gargantuan bass ashore by her own muscle and sheer willpower. When she realized her friends were taking their fish off-island to have them taxidermied, she decided to open her own taxidermy workshop in her basement, where she made a career as an artist. Fishing fed her community and enriched her life and those of the folks around her. Janet lost her long battle with ALS this week at the age of 76. I took a few trips to the Vineyard in the fall, a beautiful place I would recommend anyone to check out, and Janet and her husband Tristan gave me a free place to stay so I could enjoy the culture and the nature of the island. Fishing really can be a life-changing thing, and though it's not my hobby of choice, seeing Janet's love for it granted me a new appreciation. RIP Janet Messineo. Awesome video, Droomish. I think you really captured how fishing shapes the lives of its aficionados.
One thing i would like to add regarding the ethics of fishing pokemon. A pokemon can explode from the inside out and sleep it off, a tiny fishing hook would absolutely not even phase the weakest of Magikarp.
Fishing is definitely one of my favorite past time hobbies. And it frustrates me that in all of the pokemon games, there hasn’t been a single “online” fishing competition mode! I hope we can see something like that in the future. Fish on folks
FISH ON! something like the ocarina of time minigame or any of the Sega arcade games would look good with a pokemon coat of paint on it, love this idea
15:00 imagine you're a fisher you've just landed the smallest magikarp you've ever seen you release it so it may one day become large years later you're fishing at the same spot you land the largest magikarp you've ever seen it's the same magikarp
I'm somebody who doesn't eat fish, but have always been in love with the animals. Honestly, I would fish so much in the Pokemon world. Cool critters to meet that I'm not making suffer by hanging out with them? That rocks!
I really adore the aspects of the Pokémon games you like to highlight. You clearly put in some real effort researching all these little niches. Keep up the great work, man
Saved this for later but had to comment now to let you know this is the EXACT type of unique content I subscribe for. You make Pokemon content so engaging and interesting that I didn’t even KNOW I wanted to know!
I really love how this video tackled (pun intended) the concept of inclusivity in the Pokemon fishing community. People give away Rods left and right! Giving away an Old Rod might not be that much of a sacrifice, but Fishermen are out here giving away Super Rods just for the love of the game! I never thought of it until now. I look forward to rewatching this video in the future.
Forgot if I've commented something like this before, but I really appreciate your videos, Droomish. They're an escape into my favorite fictional world and the video essays themselves are so accessible. I appreciate the relaxed narrative as well, though I imagine it isn't exactly easy doing all the research. The meme-y edits are also just 👌
Im a commercial fisherman with my own boat and license and we all still take excessive pride in the size of our catches. I will see tens of thousands of pounds of lobster a year but fondly remember a 9 pound lobster
I LITERALLY just watched a short where a guy found a Japanese pokemon fishing gummy. I didn't realize how popular it is in games to do random fishing mini games. Great video!
The idea of fishers in the Pokemon games is really interesting, cause you could consider them to be like the player - catching Pokemon and trying to be the very best. The only difference is what they aim to be the best at! While you've got a specific goal (become Champion, typically), the fishers are looking more towards getting new PRs or rare encounters, exploring the sea/ocean as they could make "that discovery"! Great video as always, love the deep dives!
in any game centered around some form of pvp, those characters trying to win in "different" ways always feel the most enriching.. and there's really something special with that in a world like pokemon's
This video was legitimately beautiful to me. I loved the highlighting on how passionate and encouraging fishermen are to share their craft and form community, and also recognized the same parallel to speedrunning about halfway into the video when you started talking about how the competitive pursuit of greatness on top of that. Also loved the Sonic Unleashed, Super Sluggers, and Melee music used as BGM too.
Many, many years ago, as a kid, I had a wild hair to recreate the Louis' Notes section of Pikmin 2, with every pokemon in the pokedex. Culinary summary, preparation advice, good pairings, ect. I know I did well over a hundred of them, but they probably died with a laptop at some point. I do recall some of my entry for Metagross, though, where I suggested that if you steam it, the metal cladding expands, then cracks and pops off, revealing succulently steamed crab-like meat beneath, that is mostly ruined by the faint, but distinct taste of motor oil, and the sharp swnsation of every single one of your dental fillings vibrating with every bite.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 You said every pokémon? Does this mean that you did pokémon like consider jynx, meditite, hitmonchan or gardevoirin that list? That just seems so nonono to me. I would not do that to koffings either because I think they are adorable and too poisonous.
@turkoositerapsidi The goal was every pokemon. I think I only did a around a hundred before I lost interest. I remember doing one for Meditite though, I believe it want something like "The main body of this pokemon is too tough and boney to enjoy, but the formation at the top of the head is a succulent mix of tender pork-like texture, with a rich garlic flavor permeating every bite. Grill the whole thing, remove the head formation, peel and enjoy, and either discard the rest, or use as a soup stock" Edit Actually I remember I think I did one for Jynx, but it was a very short one that just said something like "melts into a pile of wet hair and clothes if you try to cook it, do not reccomend"
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Oh thanks for information! That was something to think about. I just think doing that to those creatures would feel wrong, but I gues you had interesting thought experience with that one before you abandoned the idea.
I imagine a large part the of inspiration for so many fishermen in Pokémon is similar to bug catching and the culture surrounding both of them in Japanese culture, since they’re an island nation and the ocean has always been a big part of their society especially when it comes to what they eat, I would say it’s ingrained in them and was a contributing factor to the implementation in the games
Each time I watch one of your videos I am blown away by how verbose and scholarly you sound/are all in regards to digital pocket monsters. Another great video!
@ I guess it's because fishing is /kinda/ random encounter only? And we don't have those at all anymore? But at the same time, why not make it so encounters in the water can be reached by a rod or through surfing?
Very facinating deep-dive. I agree with you that size enthusiasm, as well as the desire to find rare pokemon may have been the "first spark" for many of the fishermen, and then the community helped keep them interested.
Fisheries scientist here! I gotta say, you really hit the nail on the head. In the real world, one of the hallmarks of a healthy fishery is a positive social/cultural impact on its local community. This was definitely something the devs took into account when designing the fishers of the pokemon world. Really fantastic analysis and another excellent video. Thank you droomish!
i can see a few parallels between shiny hunters and the fishermen of the pokémon world. many shiny hunters are less focused on competitive battling and more focused on showing off their shinies to anyone willing to listen, and their collection is the result of lots of patient waiting and repeated encounters. those with a greater collection often have a greater mass of knowledge about their hobby. but at their core, what they value most is pokémon, and the community surrounding it. verrry interesting! wonderful video! your investigations help to expand the pokémon world
Hey Droomish, I wanted to commend you for this video. It’s unnaturallly well contemplated. I feel among all the pocket monster media I consumed, none has felt this philosophical without being alienated from the actual source content, the games. This analysis you’ve delivered is a thoughtfully considerate amount if energy and attention to both the details which are the design and fruits of the labour of the designers, artist genuinely, who crafted this source material as well as contemplative understanding of human experience: a craft. Particularly interesting is the distinction you create when separating interests which are dichotomous resulting in victory and defeat, and interests which favour experience external as opposed to a definitive result. This is a unique introspection into an archetype taken for granted, much like many other details we may fail to consider, or rather appreciate more graciously. This is a marvellous video. What a good watch. I look forward to more
I'd say, it started out as a means of catching food, which used to be treated as normal in the past. But with advances in Pokemon rights, eating Pokemon became frowned upon. But people didn't want to give up the tradition. So it was transitioned into being purely a sport.
One of my favorite fishing related tidbits that you didn't mention is that in the Kanto safari zone, fishing is one of two methods to encounter mons without using up steps (the other being the gimmicky turn in place method). This tells me that the importance of seeking the rarest, strongest fish is culturally so important that it would be unfair to limit your time doing so
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I was gonna come to the comments to "erm, actually" but wow you actually went pretty deep into the lore of human-pokémon predation, good job
The fisherman was popularized in generation 1, back when the idea of non-pokemon animals existing in the world wasn't the non-starter it is today. Those fishermen were fishing, well, fish. To eat, sell, bring home, whatever a fisherman does with fish once they catch them. They just kinda stuck around as a weird artifact, I figure. Too iconic to let go the way of other obscure trainer classes, and too tied to their namesake career to retool into something else. The fisherman is just the lingering legacy of pokemon's early years when what was in the game was much more representative of what a person would see when looking out the window in a car passing by, with battle pets plugged in, instead of being a fully fictionalized fantasy world with ecology and industry that runs on pixie dust, magic, and "don't worry about it".
I love how fishers are the one trainer class that uniquely don't have an adversarial relationshio to the player. While most trainers are watching for the player to challenge them to a fight, the vast majority of fishermen are looking away from the path. You can fight them, but it's entirely up to you to initiate that interaction
That fisherman on five island is awesome because it shows that some NPCs have more to their lives than stand there forever. Maybe a video idea? Which NPCs have the most "complete" lives in Pokémon?
as a kid i always thought that because the fisherman npcs had pokeballs instead of hooks on the end of their lines that they weren’t necessarily catching fish pokemon to eat them but that they were just fans of water pokemon & thats how they preferred to catch them. i had gone fishing before & even tho i did eat the fish, it was really fun & relaxing so i could rationalize why they chose to do it that way.
I noticed the pun in the description. I sea what you did there. Good video, by the way. I'm sure it was quite the Titanic undertaking researching for this video.
i think the canalave library story about cleaning & returning the bones of eaten fished up pokemon also plays a part, it hints that showing respect to the environment is a long-held value that people like team rocket and galactic go against along with giving sinnoh's (and the pokemon world's) culture more depth
With characters like Drayden we know that Pokéballs use to not be around or as common when he was a kid. Fishing is a hobby primarily done by older men, so maybe just like Drayden there other men out there in the Pokémon World who fish to bring them back to a time when catching a Pokémon was a more hands on experience. Fishing allows them directly feel the strength & power of the Pokémon by how hard it is to reel in.
What always bugged me about them is that they are SO passionate, do it ALL day, but when it's time for battle, they ONLY use either what they JUST caught, or just generally the worst possible pokemon they could use. For a community SO dedicated, you'd think they'd generally be formidable trainers.
this video is such a great piece of art about a lowly fisherman that for himself is not very interesting, but as part of a passionate community is a fascinating person. i love this philosophical approach to a topic ♥️ and maybe we all should try to become and feel as part of a great group sometimes.
I like to think some of it has to be population control in certain seasons. Like there is probably leniency on hunting Magikarp during breeding season because you don’t need a bung of guardian in one spot
Reeling in the elusive Lv.25 Dragonair in the Safari Zone is one of my living dex highlights! Also catching the Lv.20 Lanturn was cool. One day I might even find a Lv.1 or 100 pokemon as well. Or heck even a shiny. All in all, I get the fishermen. And honestly it's fun in a lot of other games as well, Zelda Phantom hourglass is one of my faves. It felt unreal and legendary to kid me for finding the legendary fish in that game. And yes, fishing in real life was fun for a while as well, until I realised that it was hurting the animals and quit. That said, kid me caught the biggest carpe in a local pond one day on the youngest age, giving me the title of kingfisher. Thanks for making this video and bringing back so many memories ^^
I think fishing is also a unique way to interact with and appreciate Pokemon in-universe. Catching "a big one" isn't just an achievement, but a chance to marvel at a beautiful creature in peak condition. Pokemon are also very intelligent, so fishing is probably also compelling in the way of watching something grow and forming bonds with a creature within its natural habitat. It's very likely the fishers will catch the same fish multiple times, with it even specifically seeking them out to say hello. It's never actually implied that you have or need any sort of bait on your rod to catch a fish in the games, either.
Love love LOVE these types of videos. I’m curious, do you have a background in Ecocriticism at all? Lots of your videos (especially ones where you talk about in-universe implications that probably weren’t consciously intended by the devs) fit right in with stuff I’ve read in that field.
Fantastic video that analyzes a super interesting question. My theory is that battling IS thought of as part of fishing in the Pokémon world. Instead of just catching and throwing back (like in our world), it's catch > battle > throw it back. The existence of pokeballs provides a whole new layer to certain nature activities from real life. Imagine if instead of having to throw a cool fish right back in the water, you could use pokeball tech to make it battle your friends' catches, see who wins, heal your fish back up, then release back in the wild. Then you can do it all over again. Perhaps fishermen occasionally keep special catches as pets or battling aces. Being a fisherman in the Pokémon world might be more fun than being a regular trainer, since you're not responsible for the long-term taking care of pokemon you catch. And because temporary battling of simple-minded fish feels more humane than catching a couple ponyta just to have them fight once.
I wonder if some of these anglers are simply looking for a pokemon with good nature or IVs, or maybe shiny hunting. It'd be kind of fun if one of them was doing something we usually only see players do.
12:55 A fellow deli worker I see 👀 I must say, I was sceptical as to how you could spend almost 18 minutes talking about Fisherman NPCs, but I was pleasantly surprised. Another banger Droomish video for the books 🐟
I like to fish because it provides an excellent excuse to relax and enjoy Nature's beauty. It lets me do nothing while feeling like I'm doing something. For the yogis in the audience, it enables mindfulness and relishing the complex act of being in a very simple way. If I happen to catch a fish while I'm at it, that's a bonus.
hey thank goodness we dont live in Paldea, am I right? Now pass me another bottle of that moomoo milk before I get my next cast in
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Never forget what they took from us 😔
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When a pokémon I fished gave a good fishing fight I reward them with a candy while I let them go, if they seem interested.
Pokemon ultimately derives from the Japanese hobby of bug catching/small fish catching, fishing is the soul of pokemon
Scarlet and Violet should show more fishingg.
@@turkoositerapsidithats not japan anymore. Thats spain, spain has the mafia culture and less of fishing culture
@@ItsJustKaya Spain has a lot of fishing... They have so much coastal areas and sea. Wikipedia says they have more fishing industry production than Britain.
I do like the idea that the fishermen battle, clearly a common and socially-expected activity among anyone who catches or uses pokemon in the setting, not for the actual battle, but to show off their gallery of cool fish they've caught.
That approach of using a common social custom to express and show the work you put into your real passion, tying the two together, feels very real to me, and charming.
And it also makes the inevitable fishermen in each region with 6 Magikarp or whatever be kinda hilarious in that light, like, either they're really not very good fishermen, or they *really* like Magikarp.
mabye they want a full team of garidos
I LOVE when they can tie pokemon to trainer identity like this!! painters with smeargles, janitors with trubbish.. we get these extra hints of story just through normal gameplay and I LOVE IT!!
Iike to imagine that all the Magikarp have unusual sizes or something else about them is unique it's just that you can't tell because all the sprites are the same
@@Shadowonwater I wish Pokemon had slightly randomized weight and height stats, just for the cosmetics
@@Shadowonwater They actually have the patterns from Magikarp Jump, we just can't see them because we haven't opened our hearts to the wonder of Magikarp
-Base the latest region on countries with a rich fishing and seafood culture.
-Can't fish.
Vaultin' Veluza! What's wrong with Gamefreak?
They had too many glitches to fix, so they did not have time to add varied non player characters trainer classes I guess. And still the game had many glitches, but at least the story was not bad.
All the fisherman are clearly shiny hunting/looking for feebas. More power to them
But what if they look for the most huggable pokémon for humans (overqwil)?
@@turkoositerapsidi isn't overqwil deadly to the touch? It's covered in long sharp poison tipped spines along its body. Plus fish don't like being hugged all too much, causes them a massive amount of stress.
@@TearfulZorua Okay, maybe ferrothorn then?
feed a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to shiny hunt feebas, he'll be there for life. (great video droom! much love)
When you get older. Nothing is better than peace and quiet
Except for all the wingall crys
nothing but the crashing waves and a bottle of moomoo milk.. hey what's better than this?
I go fishing so I have an excuse to sit in a quiet place for a few hours with a nice view of some still water, with a cooler of snacks and drinks. Sometimes, I forget the poles
Amen to that!
But you can sit in peace without fishing and if you are not being productive in any way anyway then anyone that complaints about you being lazy is still going to call you lazy. It is not exactly subtle if you go fishing with a pack of beer and come back without any fish, everyone knows you just wanted to drink beer and do nothing. Also, people really should not fish unless they actually want the fish, otherwise you are just engaging in the sadistic pleasure of torturing fish. The basic rule of hunting is that you should always kill your target and only target what you actually want to take and leave everything else alone, this should apply to both land and sea.
I do think its good to note, that these games come from Japan a country where overfishing and poaching is extremely common, especially of sharks. which plays into sharpedo dex entry since it is a shark.
At a time UA-cam is bloated with mediocre video essays, I didn't expect one about Fishing in Pokémon to be so thoughtful, interesting and fresh ! You really made me consider new things about that world. Great job, I loved it !
3:52 I think Basculin's dex entry implies that they're still eaten, since its meat is "more popular with the youth." It's just that they went from a staple food item to probably a more luxury one.
The blue-striped Basculin dex entry also points out that it used to be a "common food item," with an emphasis on its rarity (or previous lack thereof) rather than its legality.
It's fitting you've dedicated a video to fishing this week, because this week I lost a friend who was a lifelong lover of fishing.
Janet Messineo was an incredible woman who, upon moving to the island of Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts in her youth, discovered that there was a huge community of fishers there, and wanted a piece of it. So she got a rod, and ended up dedicating her entire life to it. She entered the fishing derby for 40-something years, and ended up winning countless prizes and getting featured on the covers of multiple fishing magazines for her prowess. She specialized in shore fishing, where rather than go on a boat or a dock, she would get a huuuuge fishing rod and cast off right from the sandy shores of the island, then drag gargantuan bass ashore by her own muscle and sheer willpower. When she realized her friends were taking their fish off-island to have them taxidermied, she decided to open her own taxidermy workshop in her basement, where she made a career as an artist. Fishing fed her community and enriched her life and those of the folks around her.
Janet lost her long battle with ALS this week at the age of 76. I took a few trips to the Vineyard in the fall, a beautiful place I would recommend anyone to check out, and Janet and her husband Tristan gave me a free place to stay so I could enjoy the culture and the nature of the island.
Fishing really can be a life-changing thing, and though it's not my hobby of choice, seeing Janet's love for it granted me a new appreciation. RIP Janet Messineo.
Awesome video, Droomish. I think you really captured how fishing shapes the lives of its aficionados.
One thing i would like to add regarding the ethics of fishing pokemon.
A pokemon can explode from the inside out and sleep it off, a tiny fishing hook would absolutely not even phase the weakest of Magikarp.
That is a fair point my friend.
Fishing is definitely one of my favorite past time hobbies. And it frustrates me that in all of the pokemon games, there hasn’t been a single “online” fishing competition mode! I hope we can see something like that in the future. Fish on folks
FISH ON! something like the ocarina of time minigame or any of the Sega arcade games would look good with a pokemon coat of paint on it, love this idea
A Pokémon game should have a fishing contest at least.
15:00 imagine you're a fisher
you've just landed the smallest magikarp you've ever seen
you release it so it may one day become large
years later you're fishing at the same spot
you land the largest magikarp you've ever seen
it's the same magikarp
I'm somebody who doesn't eat fish, but have always been in love with the animals. Honestly, I would fish so much in the Pokemon world. Cool critters to meet that I'm not making suffer by hanging out with them? That rocks!
I’d rather be on the lake fishin watching droomish than in a church thinkin bout fishing
amen
I really adore the aspects of the Pokémon games you like to highlight. You clearly put in some real effort researching all these little niches. Keep up the great work, man
Man I Love Fishing. Truly, one of the greatest videogame past times of ALL time.
You need to put that on a hat! Might be too long, though.
Saved this for later but had to comment now to let you know this is the EXACT type of unique content I subscribe for. You make Pokemon content so engaging and interesting that I didn’t even KNOW I wanted to know!
I agree, the creator is skilled.
I really love how this video tackled (pun intended) the concept of inclusivity in the Pokemon fishing community. People give away Rods left and right! Giving away an Old Rod might not be that much of a sacrifice, but Fishermen are out here giving away Super Rods just for the love of the game! I never thought of it until now. I look forward to rewatching this video in the future.
Now this is an investigation I can get down with
let's you and me investigate some camping chairs by the lakefront after this
Forgot if I've commented something like this before, but I really appreciate your videos, Droomish. They're an escape into my favorite fictional world and the video essays themselves are so accessible. I appreciate the relaxed narrative as well, though I imagine it isn't exactly easy doing all the research. The meme-y edits are also just 👌
it is my greatest hope and pleasure to be understood and have these conversations!! appreciate you!!
Im a commercial fisherman with my own boat and license and we all still take excessive pride in the size of our catches. I will see tens of thousands of pounds of lobster a year but fondly remember a 9 pound lobster
LOVED this!!! always so fun to see your long form, short form, streams, anything! Great video!!!
I LITERALLY just watched a short where a guy found a Japanese pokemon fishing gummy. I didn't realize how popular it is in games to do random fishing mini games. Great video!
The idea of fishers in the Pokemon games is really interesting, cause you could consider them to be like the player - catching Pokemon and trying to be the very best. The only difference is what they aim to be the best at!
While you've got a specific goal (become Champion, typically), the fishers are looking more towards getting new PRs or rare encounters, exploring the sea/ocean as they could make "that discovery"!
Great video as always, love the deep dives!
in any game centered around some form of pvp, those characters trying to win in "different" ways always feel the most enriching.. and there's really something special with that in a world like pokemon's
Half the fun of fishing is the tales and stories that comes with it
This was a very wholesome and cozy video. Well done!
This video was legitimately beautiful to me. I loved the highlighting on how passionate and encouraging fishermen are to share their craft and form community, and also recognized the same parallel to speedrunning about halfway into the video when you started talking about how the competitive pursuit of greatness on top of that. Also loved the Sonic Unleashed, Super Sluggers, and Melee music used as BGM too.
I quite enjoyed this deep analysis of something seemingly mundane, well done!
I can tell you why a fisherman fishes
you are a fringe case I fear
2:52 deep fried metang… i never would have imagined i’d have to read those words in succession and think about what that would be like
Many, many years ago, as a kid, I had a wild hair to recreate the Louis' Notes section of Pikmin 2, with every pokemon in the pokedex. Culinary summary, preparation advice, good pairings, ect. I know I did well over a hundred of them, but they probably died with a laptop at some point.
I do recall some of my entry for Metagross, though, where I suggested that if you steam it, the metal cladding expands, then cracks and pops off, revealing succulently steamed crab-like meat beneath, that is mostly ruined by the faint, but distinct taste of motor oil, and the sharp swnsation of every single one of your dental fillings vibrating with every bite.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 You said every pokémon? Does this mean that you did pokémon like consider jynx, meditite, hitmonchan or gardevoirin that list? That just seems so nonono to me. I would not do that to koffings either because I think they are adorable and too poisonous.
@turkoositerapsidi
The goal was every pokemon.
I think I only did a around a hundred before I lost interest.
I remember doing one for Meditite though, I believe it want something like "The main body of this pokemon is too tough and boney to enjoy, but the formation at the top of the head is a succulent mix of tender pork-like texture, with a rich garlic flavor permeating every bite. Grill the whole thing, remove the head formation, peel and enjoy, and either discard the rest, or use as a soup stock"
Edit
Actually I remember I think I did one for Jynx, but it was a very short one that just said something like "melts into a pile of wet hair and clothes if you try to cook it, do not reccomend"
Oh, no. That's molten metal.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Oh thanks for information! That was something to think about.
I just think doing that to those creatures would feel wrong, but I gues you had interesting thought experience with that one before you abandoned the idea.
I imagine a large part the of inspiration for so many fishermen in Pokémon is similar to bug catching and the culture surrounding both of them in Japanese culture, since they’re an island nation and the ocean has always been a big part of their society especially when it comes to what they eat, I would say it’s ingrained in them and was a contributing factor to the implementation in the games
Amazing video! I love the way you see the world of Pokemon, its unlike anything else and very special.
I'm thrilled to see all those fishing ruminations from stream coalesce into such an entertaining vidya. You landed a big one this time, boss
Each time I watch one of your videos I am blown away by how verbose and scholarly you sound/are all in regards to digital pocket monsters. Another great video!
You mean porygons?
Now I wish there was a fishing mini game like the bug catching contest. Haha
That is my wish as well.
It's just sad that fishing is gone entirely in Gen 9, along with the Fisherman/Fisher trainer class.
hey I was thinking we make an open world game and REMOVE the fishing.. pretty smart right?
@ I guess it's because fishing is /kinda/ random encounter only? And we don't have those at all anymore? But at the same time, why not make it so encounters in the water can be reached by a rod or through surfing?
2:46 I’ve barely started this video and I’m amazed that you turned it into 17 minutes, bravo
Very facinating deep-dive. I agree with you that size enthusiasm, as well as the desire to find rare pokemon may have been the "first spark" for many of the fishermen, and then the community helped keep them interested.
LOVING this series, thanks so much for this awesome deep dive!🐟🎣
love the fisherman. i wish they incorporated more rare fish in their teams, but ill never get sick of battling a dude with surprise gyarados.
Civ great person sound went hard, 11.5/10
Fisheries scientist here!
I gotta say, you really hit the nail on the head. In the real world, one of the hallmarks of a healthy fishery is a positive social/cultural impact on its local community.
This was definitely something the devs took into account when designing the fishers of the pokemon world.
Really fantastic analysis and another excellent video. Thank you droomish!
I've always wanted a roaming legendary you can only encounter through fishing
OMG this idea rules
This is truly the experience that would be epic.
Beautiful. This is the content my day needed
i can see a few parallels between shiny hunters and the fishermen of the pokémon world. many shiny hunters are less focused on competitive battling and more focused on showing off their shinies to anyone willing to listen, and their collection is the result of lots of patient waiting and repeated encounters. those with a greater collection often have a greater mass of knowledge about their hobby. but at their core, what they value most is pokémon, and the community surrounding it. verrry interesting! wonderful video! your investigations help to expand the pokémon world
Hey Droomish, I wanted to commend you for this video. It’s unnaturallly well contemplated. I feel among all the pocket monster media I consumed, none has felt this philosophical without being alienated from the actual source content, the games. This analysis you’ve delivered is a thoughtfully considerate amount if energy and attention to both the details which are the design and fruits of the labour of the designers, artist genuinely, who crafted this source material as well as contemplative understanding of human experience: a craft. Particularly interesting is the distinction you create when separating interests which are dichotomous resulting in victory and defeat, and interests which favour experience external as opposed to a definitive result. This is a unique introspection into an archetype taken for granted, much like many other details we may fail to consider, or rather appreciate more graciously. This is a marvellous video. What a good watch. I look forward to more
this is so awesome. you make such wonderful videos
Can't wait to watch this while having dinner 🍽
Love your vids a lot!
catch the fish. learn the fish. become the fish.
such is the way of the fisherman.
This is a good summary of the experience.
I'd say, it started out as a means of catching food, which used to be treated as normal in the past. But with advances in Pokemon rights, eating Pokemon became frowned upon. But people didn't want to give up the tradition. So it was transitioned into being purely a sport.
Well shoot, I suddenly care a whole lot about one of the trainer classes that interested me least. Classic Droomish W!
One of my favorite fishing related tidbits that you didn't mention is that in the Kanto safari zone, fishing is one of two methods to encounter mons without using up steps (the other being the gimmicky turn in place method). This tells me that the importance of seeking the rarest, strongest fish is culturally so important that it would be unfair to limit your time doing so
I was gonna come to the comments to "erm, actually" but wow you actually went pretty deep into the lore of human-pokémon predation, good job
farming shiny feebas in RSE be like
_AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH_
Glad that you like it too.
I love how pokemon content on UA-cam continues to evolve and this is the perfect example of that
Do one on the ace trainers and how they are always driven to keep competing
The fisherman was popularized in generation 1, back when the idea of non-pokemon animals existing in the world wasn't the non-starter it is today. Those fishermen were fishing, well, fish. To eat, sell, bring home, whatever a fisherman does with fish once they catch them.
They just kinda stuck around as a weird artifact, I figure. Too iconic to let go the way of other obscure trainer classes, and too tied to their namesake career to retool into something else.
The fisherman is just the lingering legacy of pokemon's early years when what was in the game was much more representative of what a person would see when looking out the window in a car passing by, with battle pets plugged in, instead of being a fully fictionalized fantasy world with ecology and industry that runs on pixie dust, magic, and "don't worry about it".
It's sad how they removed fishing gradually from the games
4:33 HE KNOWS ITS DOOM
Good vid, thanks Drew
So what im hearing is fishing is the knitting/textiles community of the pokemon world
There's plenty of fish in the sea, so it's alright if your magikarp isn't the biggest. Despite what some fishermen might say, size isn't everything
"I like fishing, its comfy and easy to do!" ~ Fisherboy probably
I love how fishers are the one trainer class that uniquely don't have an adversarial relationshio to the player. While most trainers are watching for the player to challenge them to a fight, the vast majority of fishermen are looking away from the path. You can fight them, but it's entirely up to you to initiate that interaction
That fisherman on five island is awesome because it shows that some NPCs have more to their lives than stand there forever. Maybe a video idea? Which NPCs have the most "complete" lives in Pokémon?
as a kid i always thought that because the fisherman npcs had pokeballs instead of hooks on the end of their lines that they weren’t necessarily catching fish pokemon to eat them but that they were just fans of water pokemon & thats how they preferred to catch them. i had gone fishing before & even tho i did eat the fish, it was really fun & relaxing so i could rationalize why they chose to do it that way.
I noticed the pun in the description.
I sea what you did there.
Good video, by the way.
I'm sure it was quite the Titanic undertaking researching for this video.
watched this video while fishing for shiny feebas... gotta love fishing am i right
shiny milotic the ultimate chase... best of luck bestie...
Great video! Makes me want to go fishing.
You know what that means? Fish!
i think the canalave library story about cleaning & returning the bones of eaten fished up pokemon also plays a part, it hints that showing respect to the environment is a long-held value that people like team rocket and galactic go against along with giving sinnoh's (and the pokemon world's) culture more depth
Someone’s gotta catch all those Magikarp they eat over there.
bro this comment section is so full of spiritually inclined, pure, beautiful souls who just appreciate the little things
9:35 The fact that they are not all facing the same way in the end is bothering my OCD.
With characters like Drayden we know that Pokéballs use to not be around or as common when he was a kid.
Fishing is a hobby primarily done by older men, so maybe just like Drayden there other men out there in the Pokémon World who fish to bring them back to a time when catching a Pokémon was a more hands on experience. Fishing allows them directly feel the strength & power of the Pokémon by how hard it is to reel in.
What always bugged me about them is that they are SO passionate, do it ALL day, but when it's time for battle, they ONLY use either what they JUST caught, or just generally the worst possible pokemon they could use. For a community SO dedicated, you'd think they'd generally be formidable trainers.
Young kid walks Into old man's home and the old man gives him his rod. Seems suspicious
Wot mate?
If a video game makes me fish I will refuse to interact with the fishing mechanic
They're shiny hunting, obviously!
I love chain fishing in Y with my octillery. She's a big help
this video is such a great piece of art about a lowly fisherman that for himself is not very interesting, but as part of a passionate community is a fascinating person.
i love this philosophical approach to a topic ♥️
and maybe we all should try to become and feel as part of a great group sometimes.
That octillery in the thumbnail is a loaded choice.
I like to think some of it has to be population control in certain seasons. Like there is probably leniency on hunting Magikarp during breeding season because you don’t need a bung of guardian in one spot
"Community members working to eliminate all hurdles to entry" 😤❤️
Reeling in the elusive Lv.25 Dragonair in the Safari Zone is one of my living dex highlights!
Also catching the Lv.20 Lanturn was cool.
One day I might even find a Lv.1 or 100 pokemon as well.
Or heck even a shiny.
All in all, I get the fishermen. And honestly it's fun in a lot of other games as well, Zelda Phantom hourglass is one of my faves.
It felt unreal and legendary to kid me for finding the legendary fish in that game.
And yes, fishing in real life was fun for a while as well, until I realised that it was hurting the animals and quit.
That said, kid me caught the biggest carpe in a local pond one day on the youngest age, giving me the title of kingfisher.
Thanks for making this video and bringing back so many memories ^^
Droomish once again ducks the Breloom allegations
This is one of the funniest titles I’ve ever seen. I had to click it 😂
I think fishing is also a unique way to interact with and appreciate Pokemon in-universe. Catching "a big one" isn't just an achievement, but a chance to marvel at a beautiful creature in peak condition. Pokemon are also very intelligent, so fishing is probably also compelling in the way of watching something grow and forming bonds with a creature within its natural habitat. It's very likely the fishers will catch the same fish multiple times, with it even specifically seeking them out to say hello. It's never actually implied that you have or need any sort of bait on your rod to catch a fish in the games, either.
Fishers' motivation in Pokémon: 17-minutes long video essay.
Youngsters' motivation in Pokémon: Shorts are comfy and easy to wear!
Love love LOVE these types of videos. I’m curious, do you have a background in Ecocriticism at all? Lots of your videos (especially ones where you talk about in-universe implications that probably weren’t consciously intended by the devs) fit right in with stuff I’ve read in that field.
Fantastic video that analyzes a super interesting question. My theory is that battling IS thought of as part of fishing in the Pokémon world. Instead of just catching and throwing back (like in our world), it's catch > battle > throw it back.
The existence of pokeballs provides a whole new layer to certain nature activities from real life. Imagine if instead of having to throw a cool fish right back in the water, you could use pokeball tech to make it battle your friends' catches, see who wins, heal your fish back up, then release back in the wild. Then you can do it all over again. Perhaps fishermen occasionally keep special catches as pets or battling aces.
Being a fisherman in the Pokémon world might be more fun than being a regular trainer, since you're not responsible for the long-term taking care of pokemon you catch. And because temporary battling of simple-minded fish feels more humane than catching a couple ponyta just to have them fight once.
Bro I just realized I was not subscribed. That changes today
Maybe the real fishing is the friends we make along the way
sounds like a job for ✨direct survey✨
I wonder if some of these anglers are simply looking for a pokemon with good nature or IVs, or maybe shiny hunting. It'd be kind of fun if one of them was doing something we usually only see players do.
12:55 A fellow deli worker I see 👀
I must say, I was sceptical as to how you could spend almost 18 minutes talking about Fisherman NPCs, but I was pleasantly surprised. Another banger Droomish video for the books 🐟
I like to fish because it provides an excellent excuse to relax and enjoy Nature's beauty. It lets me do nothing while feeling like I'm doing something. For the yogis in the audience, it enables mindfulness and relishing the complex act of being in a very simple way. If I happen to catch a fish while I'm at it, that's a bonus.
4:40 am I stupid for not knowing what the background noise is?
So what you're saying is, the six Magikarp guy isn't a complete lunatic?