Phatmoto: Oh No, another clutch video, cleaning a Hilliard Scorcher clutch 2019 PM Rover
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- Опубліковано 25 кві 2022
- Showing how simple it is to remove and clean a Hilliard clutch. Note: the 2019 Phatmoto Rover did not come with the Hilliard clutch it came with a Chinese clone 11 tooth, 415 chain.
I love this clutch so much better. Game changer. Only weak link now is the #35 chain. I oil daily, belt drive would rock.🍻
Yes a belt drive would be great. The #35 chain can be super strong, you just need to buy a go-kart race chain. The stock Chinese chain is not so good, wears out fast, ruins the clutch and jack shaft sprocket as it does.
I just noticed I put the clutch back wards I saw this video and realized I also missed spots to clean. Thanks for you content it really helps
Glad it helped,
Another great video my friend 💯
Thanks Kasey, good to hear you are doing good.
Good information! Thanks for sharing.
Did I see slots in the white and yellow one on the shoes?
Hello Beau was wondering if there is a better carburetor that can be used for the 2022 rover? A carburetor that will give a little extra speed..where to purchase and any recommendations.. thank you
I have one on minibike and I only got about 2 hours of use b4 the bushing went bad I have the proper clearance I needed I wonder if my chain being to tight for a moment could have done it?
It probably did to some degree. Oil that bushing before using clutch.
@@beaubrummelmotorizedbicycles I did to the inside but honestly I can't remember if I did the outside so the keyway ripped out the bushing I have two more on the way I will make sure my chain not to tight and I have my clearance.
Hi there, so I subscribe to your channel and have been watching your videos. I wonder if you could Answer a question.
I recently put a Hillard clutch with a Gasbike.net 35 jackshaft kit on my 2019 model phatmoto.( plus AR Exhaust )
Everything seems to work fine.
But I really seems to not be any difference in performance. In fact with jackshaft sprocket being smaller it now has less torque for hills. Do you know where to get bigger jack shaft sprocket that fits the splined 5/8’s shaft. Or do you have any ideas ?
Thank you for your time
Okay to answer the bigger spline jack shaft sprocket question first. There are none, the shaft is a special spline shaft, in a 15 mm diameter not 5/8". Another misconception is that the #35 chain spline sprocket is smaller. It is physically, but it has 36 teeth. The 2019 jack shaft 415 chain sprocket also has 36 teeth, so the gear ratios are the same, its mathematical. The physical size makes no difference as far as gear ratio's go. So your performance will be close to the same. If you installed the spline shaft and #35 sprocket, you are stuck with that gear, sorry. That is why I switched mine to a 5/8" keyed shaft and a mini hub so I can take advantage of all the 3 bolt pattern sprockets that are available. I hope this makes sense, A 36 tooth sprocket is the same no matter what chain size you use. A #35 chain to a 530 motorcycle chain they are the same gear ratios. You must drop teeth to achieve a higher ratio, just as you add teeth to achieve a lower ratio. Watch my video on installing a 5/8" jack shaft, Parts 1 & 2
@@beaubrummelmotorizedbicycles oh man , you are such a wealth of information, yes that makes sense after you explain it.You sir are one of the good guys.thank you so much for speedy reply and explanation.
There are a lot of steep hills where I live I was hoping that the mods I mentioned would give more positive grip ( Hillard clutch ) and was a little disappointed after installing them. The Ar exhaust looks cool, but boy it’s kinda of a burn hazard I can see that already. lol.
Thanks again sir for your help.
Just got my new phantom. At this point I just have to oil the back copper thing, right. How often should I oil it and how much. Thanks love your videos. Wade
At first when new, oil it 2 to 3 drops a day. Once you get it soaked with oil, it takes less or you can go longer between oiling.
@@beaubrummelmotorizedbicycles thank you very much
How do you get you clutch to jack shaft chain so nice and snug?
It helps to have a very high quality Iris #35 gold go kart racing chain. The chain just doesn't stretch, and it just performs. I always recommend to run high quality chains, for a better riding experience.
Any chance you can tell me how to get those camshaft bearing out I went to harbor fright and purchased a 2 lb slide hammer and the bearings won't budge did you have to heat it up first I don't want to ruin the frame
The jack shaft bearings can be stubborn, but they shouldn't be that tight. First do you have the jack shaft out? Because with the shaft out, you can insert a small blunt punch or similar and tap the bearing out from the inside near the housing edge. Tap a little, then move to the other side, alternating. It should come out easy once it starts. If you are replacing the bearings and don't care about them, you can use a large screw driver to tap them out from the opposite side.
@@beaubrummelmotorizedbicycles ok I was afraid they put red locktite or something of that nature ok I can bang away parts are coming in
Do you know where you can order different gears for that type hilliard?
Try a few of the go kart and mini bike supply houses like BMI Karts, or OMB Warehouse etc. Just be careful not all sprockets are interchangeable between the Hilliard clutches. Make sure yours fits.
And when take the clutch off is the bolt reverse threaded?
No normal threads, lefty loosy.
Where did you buy your seat springs shock at??
I got it on Amazon, the sellers name is La Rosa Designs, they sell seats and accessories for motorcycles. It was kind of expensive because it came with the bracket to bolt to the seat and the bottom bracket to bolt to frame. It was right at $45 to $50. If you are handy with fabricating you can make it your self and buy the shocks for right around $12 to $15. They also sell a dual shock mount, but its even more expensive. See if you can find them on Amazon or maybe go direct to them.
I just looked it up on Amazon, its $50, search motorcycle seat single shock mounting bracket.
My 2023 Phatmoto has the hilliard (came with it), but after 4 rides the clutch is not disengaging when at idle. This causes the engine to bog and die when I come to a stop. I'm not sure what caused it or what to do about it. Should I start by taking it apart and cleaning/lubing it, or do you think it's shot and I should just get a max torque instead?
I did oil the bushing out of the box with 30 weight oil. I didn't oil the bushing after every single ride though, could that be what caused it?
When new the clutch bushing is extremely dry and needs oil, at frequent intervals. Oil the bushing at first after every ride. Once it gets enough oil, it will be less frequent.
Yes, the clutch could be up to 2 years old, sitting in a box before being installed. The oil impregnated "Oilite" bushing drys out.
@@beaubrummelmotorizedbicycles thank you! So did I ruin it, or do you think it's salvageable?
I don't think so, keep it oiled. You may need to do a clean out of the bell drum soon, but it needs oil. If you know how to disassemble it, some actually submerge it in oil overnight to get it replenished. It soakes up the oil best when bushing is warm.@@wesh388
@beaubrummelmotorizedbicycles You're the man, thank you so much! I heated the bushing in the oven (lowest setting) and dropped it in oil to soak overnight. That completely solved the issue, and it runs great now!
Hoping you can help. What is the best website to buy a phatmoto?
I think it's best to buy from Phatmoto com, being the main distributor of Phatmoto. Right now they are offering a pre sale on the new models to be shipped on 12/12/2023. The new model is upgraded with better components etc. Go to phatmoto.com and check them out.
Some advice.. wait til they're on sale. I got mine for right at 1k and looked this morning and it's right at 3k for the same model.
hello friend, I hope you are well, I have been looking for an ideal engine for my phatmoto for some time, but I don't know which one to choose, what engine do you recommend to have my phatmoto to the maximum, I am looking for speed,I am ready to make the purchase, it will help me a lot with the information
You don't say which model you have, the AT or the Rover. The AT has slightly more clearance between the engine plate and the bottom of tank. So for the AT, I recommend the vertical Honda 190 cc, it has 6+ hp and almost 8 lbs. of torque. It mounts with very little modification, 1 hole drilled in engine plate, a little mod to cam cover. For the Rover it is the Predator 212 cc, you'll need to fabricate some engine mounts. Both engines have a 3/4 shaft so you'll need to get a 3/4 bore clutch or CVT torque converter. Doing a engine swap can get expensive and be frustrating, its not for the timid.
@@beaubrummelmotorizedbicycles have ever tried a manual clutch
@@catsbyondrepair No, I've never used one. I've seen it done. I think they are more suited for a engine that produces some torque and around 5+ hp.
There is a 100cc Honda motor that's bomb. GX100
What type of oil do you use?
I use a light oil designed for bushings, like in electrical motors, etc. It is designed for anything that spins, it is heat resistant and comes in a pull out flexible spout to reach behind the clutch to oil the bushing at the snap ring. You can order it online. Zoom spout oiler, also Ace Hardware has it in stock. The clutch mfg's call for regular 30 weight oil.
Hey Beau,
Back to bug you again LOL. Got my Phatmoto all together and fired up. oiled the bushing very well and made sure everything else was good to go. Now my issue is clutch grab. motor is fine, but it virtually has ZERO clutch grab, will barely move the bike on its own. I assume i need different springs on the clutch? its a hilliard. It has 4 white springs on it right now. i assume the springs are TOO strong, and the motor isnt spinning fast enough to spread them apart enough to get the bike to move on its on. Am i correct?
No not necessarily, When you say barely move the bike on its own. Do you mean its just slow say 15 mph approximately? Or it just won't move the bike at all. Even with the engine governor working it still will spin the engine to a minimum of 3600 rpm which is plenty of rpm's to move the bike. Did you get an excess amount of oil inside the clutch drum and you are getting major slipping of the shoes or ??? The 4 white springs should engage around 2600 to 2800 rpm which should grab and move you well.
@@beaubrummelmotorizedbicycles i did clean the part the shoes make contact with, with wd40 before reassembly. and it wont move the bike at all. i havent bypasses the governor yet, so that is still there. Should i take it apart and clean it again to see if that helps at all? i did put some grease on the bushing when i reinstalled it, seen somewhere that was a good idea. maybe it wasnt LOL
WD 40 is the preferred cleaner for the drum and shoes, so continue to use it. However do not ever use grease on a "Oilite" bushing. Using grease blocks the bushing from doing what it is designed to do. It is designed to leech oil out when heated to keep itself lubricated. Using grease will render it useless and may damage it beyond repair. Also if grease gets on the drum it will create a situation that will cause the drum and shoes to not engage. Keep grease away from the clutch. Disassemble it clean everything with WD 40 wipe it dry, Put 30 weight oil on the bushing, make sure the springs are not damaged and correctly assembled and try again. There is no reason the clutch should not work unless something is a miss.@@JasperJames0912
@@beaubrummelmotorizedbicycles got everything apart now, I thought they were white springs, they're actually yellow.
It doesn't matter if they are yellow or white, just a few hundred RPM difference in engagement speed.@@JasperJames0912Let me know how everything looks,
How could I get a clutch like that my name is Luis Sierra I live in Providence Rhode Island 🏝️
Hello fellow biker. I am just hoping to get a condition report on your bike. I am about to pull the trigger on a 24 model. I am a retired motorcycle mechanic. 799.00 is in my budget. I am riding a 79cc on a Schwinn 26" but shes tired. Good idea? Bad idea? Thanks.
The 2024 model is the best so far, it has 10 gauge spokes (19' -23' models had 12 gauge) it has sealed bearings in the wheel hubs, ( 19' - 23' models had the troublesome loose bicycle ball bearings) it has the bolt thru sprocket bolts/nuts ( 19' - 23' models had the very weak M5 x 25 mm, 6 bolts system). 180 mm front rotor with hydraulic brakes, (19' - 23' models had the cheap small mechanical brakes). The front forks are better. These are some of the upgrades we have been lobbying for for a few years. So while they are still fairly cheap buy one.
@@beaubrummelmotorizedbicycles Thanks for the information. I will add the rover to my fleet. Black of course. I have a 212cc in the box i was going to mount on my trike. But it won't stop. So. I am not. Hope they have better shipping than Lectric. Waited 6 months for delivery.
I notices they have a 25 & a 32 mph model. Governer adjustment take care of that. You know spoke guages & stuff. I like that. I will mess with it some. I'm 70 now & don't need fast on a bicycle. I got a 9mm for dogs. I have a "Dog" clip. first two rounds are candle wax. The third ain't. I will order one in the morning. Thank You for the help. @@beaubrummelmotorizedbicycles
They sell a 25 mph with a 50 tooth rear sprocket and a 32 mph with a 44 tooth rear sprocket. Both need the governor bypassed to reach those speeds.@@Saddletramp1200
Ok I've tried to fine that turbine oil everywhere can you tell me where to buy it I don't want knock offs
They have it at Ace Hardware. Also if they don't have the Zoom Turbine oil, the oil in the flexible pull out spout is a light machine oil designed for the oiling of bushings etc. the same as the turbine oil.
Ok didn't try there and thank you sir
Phatmoto god what he is
Thanks, I'm just a guy who enjoys working on these bikes and sharing the little bit I discover, and thank you for watching.
Can you make and sell me a custom jack-shaft
Hello HD - Vision, I really don't , make or sell parts etc. I can help you maybe for you to do it yourself. Have you seen my video where I show and explain what and how I made a new 5/8" keyed jack shaft with mini hub for my 19' Rover ? You do know phatmoto.com sells stock replacement JS's for the Rover and All Terrain. Also the go kart supply stores have plenty of JS parts to basically assemble any thing you need.
@beaubrummelmotorizedbicycles Can we talk or message privately