one little tip from someone who concretes pipes into the ground the same way, put a plastic cap on the top and then drill a small 1/8th inch hole about an inch above the ground on both sides to allow any water that collects to drain out the pipe otherwise it will rust form the inside out. also get some cold galvanising spray once you have drilled them.
Wow! The noise elimination looks amazing. Since I'm only interested in listening, mostly SW, utilities, and some amateurs, the noise reduction is very interesting to me.
I use a Wellbrook loop as an RX antenna which I've had for about 10 years and it is BRILLIANT! Sadly the guy that ran the company passed away this year (I think) so are no longer available. However the design was reverse engineered and a loop antenna based on it is available - Google Wellgood loop. I've bought the amplifier kit so that I have a backup for that fateful day that the Wellbrook fails. But yes - loops have better noise performance than Marconi antennae. There is also the MLA-30 loop which is supposed to be pretty good - there are a number of video's here comparing the Wellbrook against the MLA-30. Some are good and others are crap; depends on which Chinese factory they com out of I think.
I did a quick look and I didn't see this mentioned but you have the swags upside down on your mast pipe. You want to have the narrow part facing up and the wider part sliding down. This helps keep water out of the joint. I know where you're at you do not get severe winter weather but I'm sure it freezes there sometimes and that could be problematic if moisture is in that joint. There's nothing you can do obviously about the antenna elements as all antennas are built going from largest diameter at the bottom to smallest at the top. I would put a layer of electrical tape over the joint and then put the hose clamp on the electrical tape. I've done this for years and it works out very nicely.
Hi Mat, I built a 20m delta loop in the same configuration and it is a wonderful antenna for 80-10m. they are a bit directional, but rotating mine would ruin the wife's satellite reception when I transmit, so it stays N/S direction.
Loops are my favourite antenna, they generally have much lower noise inherent and like yours, are pretty broadband. I used a remote SGC antenna coupler with a random length loop for a long time, which would happily tune from 80m to 10m no problem.
Come on Matt, tuned for 10/11m? Time to dig out the ol’ CB and get some breakers on the side. Great video mate. Anything that brings the overall noise floor down is a winner straight away.
I have something similar, rather than a metal plate mine is perspec ssheet, spreaders are x2 roach poles around 3.8mtrs long, the wire anteena is fed through these to complete the loop from terminals - and + on a 9:1 balun cut for 28.500mhz tunes on 24.900mhz too, fitting another transformer balun type will tune with atu down to 40 mtrs. Set as a delta loop. De g0sgo
Id would have placed that remote ATU right at the feed point as intended. Loops are great antennas broadband and quite. A rotor might be fun as well. You always do a good job.
And surely you should eliminate the balun (a balanced atu already provides this function). The point being that forcing the balun to operate with a high SWR will make it rather lossy.
I would have liked to see the SWR not only around the 10 and 11m area but for 6 to 20m just to see how much off it were on those bands. A tuner is fine, but the less tuning an antenna needs the better.
Hi Mat, first looks this delta loop seems to be build with decent materials. Did you notice some directivity (normal I think) broadside to the antenna just like a dipole ? Signals appeard to be very strong in your video and the delta loop hold it's own against the EFHW expect for one contact on 20. Amazing what you did with your tuner. I think putting this antenna on a small rotator you would benifit even more pointing your antenna towards the oposit station. Just a quick word on my plans. Summer 2025 I will putting up my hexbeam on a 50ft retractable tower with a G-1000DXA rotator. But following up on your channel there are lots of nice antennas. Keep vids coming ;-) 73 Phil ON4VP
Brazil=Jazz Club 😂 Fantastic demo that thankyou! For my QTH this kind of mount and operation would be perfect. What's your thoughts on replacing my EFHW with it,despite giving a db here or there on 40m, it's looking very good!
Also one comment I would like to direct to European manufacturers of antennas. It would be wonderful if you could come up with a joint manufacturing agreement with somebody in the United States. You could eliminate a huge amount of the shipping cost and broaden your scope for sales. Shipping from anywhere in Europe on a package such as this is prohibitive and if you could come up with an agreement with a manufacturer here in the States your market would be much larger. I would really like to have this antenna but unfortunately shipping cost would be intolerable. Possibly a manufacturing agreement with DX engineering? They are a company known for quality build so your reputation would be safe with them. Or possibly chameleon antenna.
Hi I always love your videos...... BUT PLAECE DO NOT Play around whit the Plasticbags so close to the Mike it is so loud that your voice is dampend. 2 things you could do 1 Take it all out of the bags and put it on display. 2 Use Another Mike because it sound like A Kondensator Microphone. You could do something in the editor program. Because Most people is using headphones and the Sound it Killing me. I am Not Angry. It is just ment as information
Could placing large antennas near your house cause a lightening strike to be drawn closer to your house than would otherwise happen? I've heard some bad stories about lightening hitting trees, jumping from one of the tree branches & into the person's bedroom, from which it caught the house on fire. Another one where a neighbor's house was hit in the chimney, the lightening jumped to the house next door & totally destroyed the electrical system in the whole house with everything fried to shit. The house with the chimney strike caught fire. I'm terrified of doing anything which could cause this.
at the end of the day it's a compromise and a choice you make. i have worked in the cable industry and the amount of lightning strikes i've seen to trees at one end of the yard and travelled up sprinkler wires towards the house is amazing... also i've seen the aftermath of one where it's hit the chimney of one house and jumped across to the chimney of they neighboring house. that's because they usually have a steel liner from top to bottom. to be honest, as long as you are grounded on the antenna and your ground system is bonded to power, it's pretty much if it happens it happens.. not much you can do about it.
@WX4CB So if it's grounded properly, you should generally be ok? That's like where I'm clueless. I hear these stories & wonder things like if it was grounded properly would it have taken the offered path to the ground & spared everything else?
@@Shuck-Shick-Blam it will ALWAYS take the shortest path to ground. if the shortest path is through your houses wiring to the power meter then it will go through your house. that's why you need to ground your mast/tower to a ground rod that is bonded to the power meter ground rod that is usually directly underneath the meter. as my dad used to say. "if you're going to get hit you're going to get hit and you better take it like a good boy." haha.. there's things you can do to help, surge protectors, correctly grounded masts... also disconnecting the coax and grounding that end where it goes into the house will help too.
one little tip from someone who concretes pipes into the ground the same way, put a plastic cap on the top and then drill a small 1/8th inch hole about an inch above the ground on both sides to allow any water that collects to drain out the pipe otherwise it will rust form the inside out. also get some cold galvanising spray once you have drilled them.
Great tip for someone else as The pole that is concreted in the ground is filled with concrete, secondly it’s swagged, they are steel, and I use them.
Wow! The noise elimination looks amazing. Since I'm only interested in listening, mostly SW, utilities, and some amateurs, the noise reduction is very interesting to me.
I use a Wellbrook loop as an RX antenna which I've had for about 10 years and it is BRILLIANT! Sadly the guy that ran the company passed away this year (I think) so are no longer available. However the design was reverse engineered and a loop antenna based on it is available - Google Wellgood loop. I've bought the amplifier kit so that I have a backup for that fateful day that the Wellbrook fails.
But yes - loops have better noise performance than Marconi antennae.
There is also the MLA-30 loop which is supposed to be pretty good - there are a number of video's here comparing the Wellbrook against the MLA-30. Some are good and others are crap; depends on which Chinese factory they com out of I think.
I love your yard, garden, and that sunroom/conservatory area!
Thank you!
Delta loop antennas are underated. I built one for 15m with a 4.1 balun and tune from 17-10 m perfectly with 7300 tuner. They are so quiet.
Its pronounced - swaged 🤪 Brilliant antenna. Is the antenna directional.
I was about to say that. Pronounce the "a" as an "aye" and the "g" as a "j"
Hello John - some words are difficult to get your tongue around hehehe.
@EI6DP Can't get your tongue round your ARRRRSSSSS
Yep, swaged as in wage.
As i gauge
I did a quick look and I didn't see this mentioned but you have the swags upside down on your mast pipe. You want to have the narrow part facing up and the wider part sliding down. This helps keep water out of the joint. I know where you're at you do not get severe winter weather but I'm sure it freezes there sometimes and that could be problematic if moisture is in that joint.
There's nothing you can do obviously about the antenna elements as all antennas are built going from largest diameter at the bottom to smallest at the top. I would put a layer of electrical tape over the joint and then put the hose clamp on the electrical tape. I've done this for years and it works out very nicely.
Thanks for the tip! It's only temporary, as I am always changing antennas, seems like weekly at the moment! ;-) Thanks again.
Excellent Comparisons!
Thanks!
Hi Mat, I built a 20m delta loop in the same configuration and it is a wonderful antenna for 80-10m. they are a bit directional, but rotating mine would ruin the wife's satellite reception when I transmit, so it stays N/S direction.
Loops are my favourite antenna, they generally have much lower noise inherent and like yours, are pretty broadband.
I used a remote SGC antenna coupler with a random length loop for a long time, which would happily tune from 80m to 10m no problem.
as for rotating it, i beleive a delta loop is better off the broad side of the antenna so a rotator is really useful.
Been looking forward to this review!
Interesting insight into the black art of antennas, I am very very much tempted by this antenna
Come on Matt, tuned for 10/11m?
Time to dig out the ol’ CB and get some breakers on the side.
Great video mate. Anything that brings the overall noise floor down is a winner straight away.
lol... I have no need to use 11M, no one around here locally. If there was, then I would probably have a 11M radio setup.
Who wants to use the children's band fgs.
Thanks, Matt 👍
My pleasure!
I have something similar, rather than a metal plate mine is perspec ssheet, spreaders are x2 roach poles around 3.8mtrs long, the wire anteena is fed through these to complete the loop from terminals - and + on a 9:1 balun cut for 28.500mhz tunes on 24.900mhz too, fitting another transformer balun type will tune with atu down to 40 mtrs. Set as a delta loop. De g0sgo
Spot on review mate. 👍
Looking great! A lot of Fun to work DX with.73 de Uncle Günter 💯👍🙋♂
Looks like a good piece of kit. Very effective A/B comparison! Curious how it might hold up in areas prone to strong winds.
Id would have placed that remote ATU right at the feed point as intended. Loops are great antennas broadband and quite. A rotor might be fun as well. You always do a good job.
And surely you should eliminate the balun (a balanced atu already provides this function). The point being that forcing the balun to operate with a high SWR will make it rather lossy.
@graemezimmer604 unfortunately balance remote atu are very rare unless homebrew
I would have liked to see the SWR not only around the 10 and 11m area but for 6 to 20m just to see how much off it were on those bands. A tuner is fine, but the less tuning an antenna needs the better.
Hi Mat, first looks this delta loop seems to be build with decent materials. Did you notice some directivity (normal I think) broadside to the antenna just like a dipole ? Signals appeard to be very strong in your video and the delta loop hold it's own against the EFHW expect for one contact on 20. Amazing what you did with your tuner. I think putting this antenna on a small rotator you would benifit even more pointing your antenna towards the oposit station. Just a quick word on my plans. Summer 2025 I will putting up my hexbeam on a 50ft retractable tower with a G-1000DXA rotator. But following up on your channel there are lots of nice antennas. Keep vids coming ;-) 73 Phil ON4VP
Matt, nice video! What is the end ratio of the balun?
Thanks Frank, tbh I am not sure. Sorry.
Ok…looks like it’s only a 1:1 choke balun.
Awesome
How does this compare and contrast with something like the Italian-made Sirio Boomerang 27A? Seems like a similar idea for 10/11 meters.
Brazil=Jazz Club 😂 Fantastic demo that thankyou! For my QTH this kind of mount and operation would be perfect. What's your thoughts on replacing my EFHW with it,despite giving a db here or there on 40m, it's looking very good!
And whats about VOX TX with this antenna in 40m, 30m, 20M and 15 ( plus 12m) did you do any tests?
VOX is a radio feature, not an antenna feature.
@@TechMindsOfficial of course but did you try it in voice QSOs? thats what i was asking.
What radio were you testing with?
Yaesu of some type.
FT710
Shipping from Europe is kinda spendy, thankfully DX Engineering in the states carries these.
What software are you using ?
Which part of the video are you referring to?
When you are first testing you have the radio on screen and a 2 apps above it
11:44
The software on the top is LOG4OM, just one app.
being a former mechanic, I'm puzzled as to why there are spring washers, and nyloc nuts in use, on the same bolt???
makes for a better electrical connection
Thanks for that. It seems crazy that EAntenna/Wimo claim is is omni-directional; I did a quick model on 10, 15 and 20m and it's anything but! 😆
how antenna works in horizontal polarity...? will you check?
It’s already horizontally polarised due to the feed point being at the bottom. :)
Also one comment I would like to direct to European manufacturers of antennas. It would be wonderful if you could come up with a joint manufacturing agreement with somebody in the United States. You could eliminate a huge amount of the shipping cost and broaden your scope for sales. Shipping from anywhere in Europe on a package such as this is prohibitive and if you could come up with an agreement with a manufacturer here in the States your market would be much larger. I would really like to have this antenna but unfortunately shipping cost would be intolerable. Possibly a manufacturing agreement with DX engineering? They are a company known for quality build so your reputation would be safe with them. Or possibly chameleon antenna.
They are sold at DX Engineering for USA.
It's pronounced sw-aged as in aged not as in wagged.
I could have sworn he said “swank”. 😅 Like it’s fancy antenna pole. 😁
It's the posh way of saying it, I'm upper class, innit...
Hi I always love your videos...... BUT PLAECE DO NOT Play around whit the Plasticbags so close to the Mike it is so loud that your voice is dampend.
2 things you could do
1 Take it all out of the bags and put it on display.
2 Use Another Mike because it sound like A Kondensator Microphone.
You could do something in the editor program.
Because Most people is using headphones and the Sound it Killing me.
I am Not Angry. It is just ment as information
wow
Could placing large antennas near your house cause a lightening strike to be drawn closer to your house than would otherwise happen?
I've heard some bad stories about lightening hitting trees, jumping from one of the tree branches & into the person's bedroom, from which it caught the house on fire.
Another one where a neighbor's house was hit in the chimney, the lightening jumped to the house next door & totally destroyed the electrical system in the whole house with everything fried to shit. The house with the chimney strike caught fire.
I'm terrified of doing anything which could cause this.
at the end of the day it's a compromise and a choice you make. i have worked in the cable industry and the amount of lightning strikes i've seen to trees at one end of the yard and travelled up sprinkler wires towards the house is amazing... also i've seen the aftermath of one where it's hit the chimney of one house and jumped across to the chimney of they neighboring house. that's because they usually have a steel liner from top to bottom. to be honest, as long as you are grounded on the antenna and your ground system is bonded to power, it's pretty much if it happens it happens.. not much you can do about it.
@WX4CB So if it's grounded properly, you should generally be ok? That's like where I'm clueless.
I hear these stories & wonder things like if it was grounded properly would it have taken the offered path to the ground & spared everything else?
@@Shuck-Shick-Blam it will ALWAYS take the shortest path to ground. if the shortest path is through your houses wiring to the power meter then it will go through your house. that's why you need to ground your mast/tower to a ground rod that is bonded to the power meter ground rod that is usually directly underneath the meter. as my dad used to say. "if you're going to get hit you're going to get hit and you better take it like a good boy." haha.. there's things you can do to help, surge protectors, correctly grounded masts... also disconnecting the coax and grounding that end where it goes into the house will help too.
Matt, is the matching unit a 4:1 current Balun . Art. K2ADC
I am not sure, sorry.
Most likely, might even get away with a 2:1
Very good Mat, ✋73's🎙KD9OAM🎧