I love how you didn't have to sacrifice a ship to show those gate campers meant business but you did it anyway. Thank you for your service little hauler
A variation of this works in null when bubbled as well. In that case check to see which side of the bubble is closest to you, double click a point in space roughly in front of your ship, cloak, mwd, then as soon as you're cloaked double click in the direction of the nearest edge of the bubble. You don't have to turn off mwd, it'll cutoff after 1 cycle anyway due to the cloak. And the directional change should prevent anyone bumping your cloak off by getting within 2k. It's not foolproof, but it'll get you out 99% of the time.
Happy to share! Honestly I saw the trick I described in a UA-cam video but I can't find it now. If I do I'll post a link. I do a lot of exploration, so bubble camps are something I run into a fair bit.
Interceptor or t3 cruiser travel Fit. The t3 cruiser, I use loki, can be fit to carry 1200m3 aside from other modules if you spend 8 hours a day in dronelands farming. I farm drone items which sell for a lot so everything I farm there is considerably tiny in size. It's not uncommon to return to HS with a few billion in modules and blueprints. I always leave my missiles behind as they're most of the Wright since I can't be out there docking anywhere
Good stuff. My method is to use the keyboard and put the Cloak on F1 and the MWD on f2. I select the target to warp to in the overview with the mouse. I hit the 'a' key (align) and say, "Dah." Hit the F1 and say, "Dah." Hit the F2 for the MWD. Wait until I a see the MWD start to cycle. Hit the F2 again to tell the MWD one cycle only. Wait until the MWD is 80-90% done. Hit F1 to turn off the cloak. Say, "Dah," and start spamming the 'd' key. As long as I do the little rhythm without rushing it it works great. Like others have said, practice, practice, practice...
Linked this vid to lots of guys who get killed at ls gates, ty for that guide and sorry to all the lowsec pirates who missed their payouts, i love you too ;)
You can also get pointed/scrammed if it's a max scan res ceptor with remote WebOS on it. This gap depends on how well you do the trick. After that point it comes down to latency between the two players and the server.
There is a version of this you can do even with basic cloak, and without even using MWD, as I think the cloak + MWD only works for higher tech levels. I devised a version of it for a basic Algos. What you need to do is hit align to get lined up, then hit cloak the split second your auto cloak from the stargate ends. With basic cloak you cannot use MWD...but you can hit the '+' on the speed panel and you have a full 13 minutes to ( very slowly...30 meters per second ) drift away from the stargate while cloaked. But what's great about this is that you don't need to wait all that time as even at that speed you will still insta-warp ( even from 30m/s ! ) to aligned point if you decloak and hit jump. So this is a method that avoids fiddling about with MWD completely. I haven't tried this with larger ships..barges, etc...but it works very well for smaller ships if you don't yet have the tech level to do MWD while cloaking.
I am giving this a thumbs up before even hearing the full video! This is really important- I've ragequit more than once due to gatecamps (Edit: time to practice practice practice!)
This works great on a Nereus but you should run the MWD before the cloak so it all happens quicker , less chance to get proximity decloaked etc, xD Nice to see another Brit starting to make content mate , keep it up. Fly Brave o7 :)
Just a quick hint. While cloak mwd works for 99% of the time, be aware that there are critical places you need to be aware of. One would be the abazhon system on the amarrian side. When they camp it they often use the einherj fighter drones of the nearby structure to decloak people using this trick. Also Tama sometimes gets spammed with wrecks and cans to make it impossible to cloak due to distance
@@strange_Net might add a decoy Vic if you redo the video, as in sending a Nereus or sth ahead as scout and to be ganked in case there are anti cloak measures
How does this work with Impels? I've seen people pull the trick off with Impels without any intertia stabs... which make no sense. It takes 13 to 18 seconds to align normally with armor plates instead of inertia stabs. The MWD and Improved Cloaking device means you'll travel at roughly 1.1X your normal speed if you had enough time, except that a MWD cycle lasts for 10 seconds, so it shouldn't reach 75% of your base speed when the MWD cycle ends and you drop cloak.
Delay the cloak as long as possible to gain some initial velocity. Delay the MWD as long as possible if it allows additional speed gain before the cycle. Overheat the MWD to increase the speed gain during the cycle. Use more powerful MWDs. Don't use plates
This was great! However your wide pan out really took away from the visual in real time aspect. I appreciate your video however. I am a hauler and this is priceless.
I just lost my Occ, but it was because I panicked and didn't time everything properly, which is probably the number one reason for failure. And don't get spoiled by using blockade runners. ;-)
you should to Cloak first then MWD. you have 1-2 seconds before other modules are not able to activate anymore after activating cloack. By doing MWD first you are blooming your sig radius. Depending on server ticks you could get unlucky and get locked due to MWD but before cloak activates. Cloak + MWD instead of MWD + cloack.
Hi @stragenet. Does this work with a a Tayra - I’m fairly new to eve and I’ve been manufacturing prospects and endurances in perimeter and shipping them down to Rens. I just got ganked for the first time yesterday and I lost over 100M in Uedama - it really hurt my whole operation…LOL..!
How would you go about slipping past campers when you approach a gate and they’re on the entry side, as opposed to them being on the exit side, like you’ve shown here?
Only bubble can tackle your ship,or massive lag because they can't target you in warp. You are landing at 0 and activating gate instantly.9/10 times if you jumped wrong gate you can't prevent jump by spamming jump/warp to another object because session change is already in progress.
At the 2:50 mark, the reaction time seems faster than you might expect when looking at eve onlines controls from a surface level of knowledge. Knowing nothing about that, players physical manipulation of seemingly clunky controls, and lock times on small things like frigs feels suprising. Did they have someone on the other side of the gate letting them know to be ready? Do they use some sort of keybinds that are available to select you that they are spamming?
Typically they will have a scout on the other side, yes. However they will also notice the 'gatefire' sound and visual (colour indicating incomming or outgoing) as well as the local-chat update (showing all players in system) before you loaded the new system yourself. By holding down ctrl (keybind for locking) and freezing their overview (this forces any new objects to appear at the bottom) they can be spamming leftclick into that position. Command will be invalid while you are still holding your gatecloak and initiate the locking process onto you the moment you decloak and appear on overview. By 'activating' their tackle modules without any targets locked it will latch onto the first thing they lock without delay due to reaction time.
@@JH-uh2rh Wait how do you freeze the overview for this? Is there a keybind to it? If I have nothing locked, can a tell a module to specifically target something so I don't need to use one click to lock and then hit the module's key?
@@alex_zetsu holding ctrl down freezes it. so same button as locking. If you click a targeted module (guns, tackle, etc) it will engage your current lock, or the next lock if you don't have any current lock. So wait for gatefire. click tackle module. hold down ctrl. spam-click the free space underneath the lowest overview entry. pray the target is the next thing to appear, and not some random.
if you have a cov ops you can warp and hit cloak immediately. it doesnt get any speed penalty so you dont even need the MWD trick. you do need the cov ops cloak thow. and yes there is even a cloak hauler . they are called blockade runners
T2 cloak makes this irrelevant since you can warp whilst cloaked. If you can use a t2 cloak on your hauler then Blop's cyno bridging is a better option.
@@MrWarbisshop will try to remember that 😁 EDIT: No Blockade Runner skill in the skillbook :o, did CCP remove the skill all together?!? :O EDIT2: NVM they're called transport ships
Actually if the campers have enough scan resolution, they'd still be able to lock you the moment you click align. I have been locked by these campers with super high scan resolution three times a year. So this method is not unrivaled.
It will take you longer to get into warp in that case. However in contrast to a normal warp initiation you will be cloaked during the alignment, preventing enemy ships from shooting and tackling you. It's a safety measure.
@@strange_Net sure. BS with smartbombs in all HS. Instadeath on gate if you on frig size. You even haven't time to realize what's happens you find yourself in a home station. Such camps easy to avoid by overview books on dest gates, but i can't imagine a way to avoid it when you just out of a gate in a smart camp.
@@markussolar7396 good point, but what if you are just out of gate and there is smartbombers around? Immunity/invisibility timer will expire and.. what?
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I love how you didn't have to sacrifice a ship to show those gate campers meant business but you did it anyway. Thank you for your service little hauler
A variation of this works in null when bubbled as well. In that case check to see which side of the bubble is closest to you, double click a point in space roughly in front of your ship, cloak, mwd, then as soon as you're cloaked double click in the direction of the nearest edge of the bubble. You don't have to turn off mwd, it'll cutoff after 1 cycle anyway due to the cloak. And the directional change should prevent anyone bumping your cloak off by getting within 2k. It's not foolproof, but it'll get you out 99% of the time.
Thats really good advise! Thanks man
Happy to share! Honestly I saw the trick I described in a UA-cam video but I can't find it now. If I do I'll post a link. I do a lot of exploration, so bubble camps are something I run into a fair bit.
Interceptor or t3 cruiser travel Fit. The t3 cruiser, I use loki, can be fit to carry 1200m3 aside from other modules if you spend 8 hours a day in dronelands farming. I farm drone items which sell for a lot so everything I farm there is considerably tiny in size. It's not uncommon to return to HS with a few billion in modules and blueprints. I always leave my missiles behind as they're most of the Wright since I can't be out there docking anywhere
Good stuff. My method is to use the keyboard and put the Cloak on F1 and the MWD on f2.
I select the target to warp to in the overview with the mouse. I hit the 'a' key (align) and say, "Dah." Hit the F1 and say, "Dah." Hit the F2 for the MWD. Wait until I a see the MWD start to cycle. Hit the F2 again to tell the MWD one cycle only. Wait until the MWD is 80-90% done. Hit F1 to turn off the cloak. Say, "Dah," and start spamming the 'd' key. As long as I do the little rhythm without rushing it it works great. Like others have said, practice, practice, practice...
Thanks for the step by step. At the end when you hit the d key, that would be the shortcut key for what exactly?
@@maxpower2743 a bit late, but for future preferences; jump for gates and dock for stations.
Linked this vid to lots of guys who get killed at ls gates, ty for that guide and sorry to all the lowsec pirates who missed their payouts, i love you too ;)
Oh you were using F1 to cloak. I didn't catch that until the end of the video.
You can also get pointed/scrammed if it's a max scan res ceptor with remote WebOS on it. This gap depends on how well you do the trick. After that point it comes down to latency between the two players and the server.
There is a version of this you can do even with basic cloak, and without even using MWD, as I think the cloak + MWD only works for higher tech levels. I devised a version of it for a basic Algos. What you need to do is hit align to get lined up, then hit cloak the split second your auto cloak from the stargate ends. With basic cloak you cannot use MWD...but you can hit the '+' on the speed panel and you have a full 13 minutes to ( very slowly...30 meters per second ) drift away from the stargate while cloaked. But what's great about this is that you don't need to wait all that time as even at that speed you will still insta-warp ( even from 30m/s ! ) to aligned point if you decloak and hit jump. So this is a method that avoids fiddling about with MWD completely. I haven't tried this with larger ships..barges, etc...but it works very well for smaller ships if you don't yet have the tech level to do MWD while cloaking.
I am giving this a thumbs up before even hearing the full video! This is really important- I've ragequit more than once due to gatecamps (Edit: time to practice practice practice!)
lol thank you 😜
dude I cant stay that calm when I see a gate camp,, my neighbours hear me screaming for my life
This works great on a Nereus but you should run the MWD before the cloak so it all happens quicker , less chance to get proximity decloaked etc, xD Nice to see another Brit starting to make content mate , keep it up. Fly Brave o7 :)
I thought that name was familiar! Was watching a vid of yours lat night 😜 Thanks man you to!
mwd boost your sig by a significant amount so instalocking ships will get you
Saved my DST on more then one occasion.
Just a quick hint. While cloak mwd works for 99% of the time, be aware that there are critical places you need to be aware of. One would be the abazhon system on the amarrian side. When they camp it they often use the einherj fighter drones of the nearby structure to decloak people using this trick. Also Tama sometimes gets spammed with wrecks and cans to make it impossible to cloak due to distance
Yea ive noticed the rise of this issue of late might have to update the video TBH and it is rather old now so might be a good time.
@@strange_Net might add a decoy Vic if you redo the video, as in sending a Nereus or sth ahead as scout and to be ganked in case there are anti cloak measures
thanks. The ships are "NO-sis" and "ex-ECK-yer-er". {Greek- and French-derived names with particular pronunciations)
Great explanation on how it works, but the Exequror is pronounced X-E-Q-ror not X checker
I heard having a tanky ship fits instead of stablizers are better is that true ? (I mean membrance and plates)
Any idea of how I could safe my self from gate campers without omega and cloak?
thanks for good explanation with important details!! is it OK that i cannot achieve max speed on my Occator doing same thing as you shown ?
Works with an orca too (:
How does this work with Impels? I've seen people pull the trick off with Impels without any intertia stabs... which make no sense. It takes 13 to 18 seconds to align normally with armor plates instead of inertia stabs. The MWD and Improved Cloaking device means you'll travel at roughly 1.1X your normal speed if you had enough time, except that a MWD cycle lasts for 10 seconds, so it shouldn't reach 75% of your base speed when the MWD cycle ends and you drop cloak.
Delay the cloak as long as possible to gain some initial velocity. Delay the MWD as long as possible if it allows additional speed gain before the cycle. Overheat the MWD to increase the speed gain during the cycle. Use more powerful MWDs. Don't use plates
This was great! However your wide pan out really took away from the visual in real time aspect. I appreciate your video however. I am a hauler and this is priceless.
Hey Grey, Thanks for the tip!
I just lost my Occ, but it was because I panicked and didn't time everything properly, which is probably the number one reason for failure. And don't get spoiled by using blockade runners. ;-)
This helps a lot. Thanks.
Nice Video. Thank you.
you should to Cloak first then MWD. you have 1-2 seconds before other modules are not able to activate anymore after activating cloack. By doing MWD first you are blooming your sig radius. Depending on server ticks you could get unlucky and get locked due to MWD but before cloak activates. Cloak + MWD instead of MWD + cloack.
Hi Midnight, yea thats exactly what I say here. Cloak then MWD or else your sig blooms and your faster/easier to lock.
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Hi @stragenet. Does this work with a a Tayra - I’m fairly new to eve and I’ve been manufacturing prospects and endurances in perimeter and shipping them down to Rens. I just got ganked for the first time yesterday and I lost over 100M in Uedama - it really hurt my whole operation…LOL..!
How would you go about slipping past campers when you approach a gate and they’re on the entry side, as opposed to them being on the exit side, like you’ve shown here?
Only bubble can tackle your ship,or massive lag because they can't target you in warp. You are landing at 0 and activating gate instantly.9/10 times if you jumped wrong gate you can't prevent jump by spamming jump/warp to another object because session change is already in progress.
I thought you were supposed to cycle the mwd before cloaking, so I certainly learned something new today. Thanks :)
Glad I could help! You will more often than not been fine doing it that way but you increase your risk of being caught
yes it work better if you use the MWD
So they throw away a gank ship for everything they can catch?
At the 2:50 mark, the reaction time seems faster than you might expect when looking at eve onlines controls from a surface level of knowledge. Knowing nothing about that, players physical manipulation of seemingly clunky controls, and lock times on small things like frigs feels suprising. Did they have someone on the other side of the gate letting them know to be ready? Do they use some sort of keybinds that are available to select you that they are spamming?
Typically they will have a scout on the other side, yes. However they will also notice the 'gatefire' sound and visual (colour indicating incomming or outgoing) as well as the local-chat update (showing all players in system) before you loaded the new system yourself.
By holding down ctrl (keybind for locking) and freezing their overview (this forces any new objects to appear at the bottom) they can be spamming leftclick into that position. Command will be invalid while you are still holding your gatecloak and initiate the locking process onto you the moment you decloak and appear on overview.
By 'activating' their tackle modules without any targets locked it will latch onto the first thing they lock without delay due to reaction time.
@@JH-uh2rh Wait how do you freeze the overview for this? Is there a keybind to it? If I have nothing locked, can a tell a module to specifically target something so I don't need to use one click to lock and then hit the module's key?
@@alex_zetsu holding ctrl down freezes it. so same button as locking. If you click a targeted module (guns, tackle, etc) it will engage your current lock, or the next lock if you don't have any current lock.
So wait for gatefire. click tackle module. hold down ctrl. spam-click the free space underneath the lowest overview entry. pray the target is the next thing to appear, and not some random.
@@JH-uh2rh This is good information, thank you.
Gnosis, the G is silent 😁
lol thanks, English has never been my strong point!
it's only silent if u cloak ;)
Is there a way to not get caught by people who use the AOE bombs? or are you gonna be fucked no matter what with campers who use that?
Does this wonderful trick work with Covert Ops?
if you have a cov ops you can warp and hit cloak immediately. it doesnt get any speed penalty so you dont even need the MWD trick. you do need the cov ops cloak thow. and yes there is even a cloak hauler . they are called blockade runners
T2 cloak makes this irrelevant since you can warp whilst cloaked. If you can use a t2 cloak on your hauler then Blop's cyno bridging is a better option.
@@MrWarbisshop will try to remember that 😁
EDIT: No Blockade Runner skill in the skillbook :o, did CCP remove the skill all together?!? :O
EDIT2: NVM they're called transport ships
Actually if the campers have enough scan resolution, they'd still be able to lock you the moment you click align. I have been locked by these campers with super high scan resolution three times a year. So this method is not unrivaled.
Try this in Gonditsa and share video haha
OH NO YOU DIDN'T 😁
Very nice video...
Cheers man
how long can we stay under cloak???
Why do you have to drop the cloak for warp? I've been doing align > cloak > mwd but once you're under cloak they can't hit you anyway.
If you dont drop cloak it will continue to cycle and therefore you will be unable to warp.
Not sure this still works trying everything in my industrial ship and it just will not do it.
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thx
i dont get it why you even need the mwd with a fast cruiser. if your warp time is less than the mwd cycle time wouldnt it make it worst?
It will take you longer to get into warp in that case. However in contrast to a normal warp initiation you will be cloaked during the alignment, preventing enemy ships from shooting and tackling you. It's a safety measure.
what fit do you have on Ishtar?
Would you hit cloak and mwd both at the same time. As you can't mwd on normal cloaks.
You need the tech 2 cloak I think
Does this still work in 2022?
Yes in 95% of situations.
Can’t see your ship. You are zoomed out too far.
What about smartcamps?)
Is there such a thing as a smart camp?
@@strange_Net sure. BS with smartbombs in all HS. Instadeath on gate if you on frig size. You even haven't time to realize what's happens you find yourself in a home station. Such camps easy to avoid by overview books on dest gates, but i can't imagine a way to avoid it when you just out of a gate in a smart camp.
@@berghauz just do not warp to the gate directly from your gate - go to a moon first so the smartbomber is not between you and your gate
@@markussolar7396 good point, but what if you are just out of gate and there is smartbombers around? Immunity/invisibility timer will expire and.. what?
Is this allowed by CCP ? I meant don't they consider this as bug using ? I wouldn't want to fry my account for something like that.
How on earth would you be singled out and banned for using this?