a double integral, 3 ways

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  • a double integral with 3 ways,
    original way,
    change of order,
    use polar coordinate,
    blackpenredpen,
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  • @WarpRulez
    @WarpRulez 6 років тому +74

    The double integral is essentially calculating the volume of the origin-centered half-cylinder, which is capped by the surface x^3+xy^2. It baffles my mind how this volume can be a rational number, given that a circle is involved.

    • @simenjorissen5357
      @simenjorissen5357 4 роки тому +18

      If the height of the cylinder is 1/π then the volume will be r², if r is integer, the volume will not only be rational but also an integer and a perfect square

  • @winnablebtw459
    @winnablebtw459 6 років тому +208

    I prefer the reliable Wolfram Alpha method. It applies to almost every integral you throw at it.

    • @MarkMcDaniel
      @MarkMcDaniel 5 років тому +14

      Weak sauce.

    • @ninjawayxd6211
      @ninjawayxd6211 4 роки тому

      Which method is that?

    • @2muchnrg268
      @2muchnrg268 3 роки тому +16

      @@ninjawayxd6211 it’s an online calculator that gives the answer for you lol

    • @hectorbrizuelavega9214
      @hectorbrizuelavega9214 3 роки тому +3

      The force is strong on this one

    • @Supercatzs
      @Supercatzs 3 роки тому +7

      Believe in math, not Wolframalpha!

  • @seanfraser3125
    @seanfraser3125 6 років тому +161

    Polar is the method I used immediately. I’m very curious to see a full version of the first method just to know how ridiculous it is by comparison. Not enough to do it myself though.

    • @Bermatematika
      @Bermatematika 6 років тому +7

      It is actually good exercise to practice substitution method. Not that hard. Maybe I will make a video about it :).

    • @Bermatematika
      @Bermatematika 6 років тому +16

      Here you go the video that I promised :): ua-cam.com/video/hhi9iaK8-g8/v-deo.html

    • @brooksgunn5235
      @brooksgunn5235 6 років тому +3

      Bermatematika.com You should! I subbed to you.

    • @falkinable
      @falkinable 6 років тому +4

      I did it using the substitution method

  • @JohnAlejo99
    @JohnAlejo99 6 років тому +52

    BlackPen RedPen *BluePen*

  • @unknown6000
    @unknown6000 6 років тому +37

    I'm only a high school student so I had no idea about the third method so I just tried the first one right away. What a tedious process that was!

    • @yash1152
      @yash1152 Рік тому

      lololol.

    • @thaovu-yi5ts
      @thaovu-yi5ts 4 місяці тому

      wait high school students learn this:)?

    • @epikherolol8189
      @epikherolol8189 3 місяці тому

      ​@@thaovu-yi5tsWe don't but it's pretty self explanatory that we gotta do the inside integral first.
      It's kinda like those 10yr old algebra questions where u use bodmas and do inside out ig
      But yeah being a highschool student myself I only knew how to do the first method and i got stuck afterwards

  • @retired5548
    @retired5548 6 років тому +16

    the second way is so much clearer, however i cannot help but try the first method as well
    edit: well it was intimidating to integrate at first, but wasn't so bad in the end

  • @lmao4982
    @lmao4982 4 роки тому +6

    I feel like this guy can never stop holding his microphone, it's just a part of his thing now

  • @gergananikolovagery5058
    @gergananikolovagery5058 5 років тому +3

    Very nice! I just learned about the polar coordinates method at uni and I like your explanation best. Seems much easier! haha I love it

    • @ArifSolvesIt
      @ArifSolvesIt Рік тому

      using polar coordinates is unfortunately not always the best way. Hence, if you use the polar coordinates to calculate the area of an ellipse, the integral you need to solve turns out to be more difficult to handle than the one you solve using Cartesian coordinates; you can see ua-cam.com/video/I1vRL-5e2lQ/v-deo.html

  • @Bayerwaldler
    @Bayerwaldler 4 роки тому +3

    Your video reminded me of the time when I was a teaching fellow more than thirty years ago. 14:01 At that point, since we're integrating first w.r.t. r and *then* w.r.t. theta, I wouldn't have depicted semi circles ranging from r=0 to r=3 but rays with angles ranging from theta = -Pi/2 to Pi/2. I would have also shown the other order of integration too which is just as easy to do. Then of course the semi circles would have come into play! Great video nonetheless. ... I wish I could have communicated as well as you!

  • @randomname9291
    @randomname9291 5 місяців тому +1

    (2x/3)(sqrt(9-x^2)^3) is actually relatively simple to integrate, as it fits the formula of the integral of
    f’(x)*f^n(x)
    Where f(x)=9-x^2
    And n=1.5
    Therefore all it is is
    (1/3)*(((9-x^2)^2.5)/2.5)
    Idk how to integrate the other part though as my integration knowledge is very limited

  • @ralfbodemann1542
    @ralfbodemann1542 6 років тому +21

    I prefer the Toblerone method.

  • @lovejotsingh7018
    @lovejotsingh7018 4 роки тому

    Thanx bro... u taught us very well

  • @nadia-sy8cn
    @nadia-sy8cn 2 роки тому

    that was so coooolll thank you for this amazing video

  • @tungboychak2295
    @tungboychak2295 5 років тому +5

    YOU REALLY KNOW YOUR THING

  • @xxshogunflames
    @xxshogunflames 3 роки тому +1

    The third way blew my mind! Thank you!

    • @ArifSolvesIt
      @ArifSolvesIt Рік тому +1

      using polar coordinates is unfortunately not always the best way. Hence, if you use the polar coordinates to calculate the area of an ellipse, the integral you need to solve turns out to be more difficult to handle than the one you solve using Cartesian coordinates; you can see ua-cam.com/video/I1vRL-5e2lQ/v-deo.html

  • @eugeneimbangyorteza
    @eugeneimbangyorteza 3 роки тому +2

    The Polar method is like one of the earliest things taught in multivariable calculus

  • @fletcherk3296
    @fletcherk3296 Рік тому +1

    Day before my calculus exam and i think you may have just saved me from losing a good amount of marks lol!! Thank you! Great explanation

  • @colt4667
    @colt4667 6 років тому +28

    I just LOVE it when you solve a problem two or three different ways and you get the same answer each time! Ain't mathematics grand?

  • @anegativecoconut4940
    @anegativecoconut4940 6 років тому +4

    That Smile when you realize that you did it again.

  • @danmart1879
    @danmart1879 5 років тому

    Calc genius! Wow!

  • @CubeMontster17
    @CubeMontster17 6 років тому +1

    Pls do more polar coordinates integration videos! They're so cool

  • @user-md2rv6cf4j
    @user-md2rv6cf4j 6 років тому

    Wow thank you explain very well and I take advantage of you.

  • @Tomcat721
    @Tomcat721 5 років тому

    I like this!! Thank You

  • @jsunny2029
    @jsunny2029 6 років тому +6

    Gold as usual

  • @freeze2win697
    @freeze2win697 3 місяці тому +1

    I am 2 years old and i already learn calculus🤓 you make it look easier😇

  • @arifahimran5773
    @arifahimran5773 3 роки тому

    from null to awesome.... i love second and thrid method....tq

  •  4 роки тому

    i pause this video at 0:50 and i want to solve this integral by original way by myself , it take along time and very complex, then when i solved it i continous see this video, that amazing way to solve it, 2 way is so good.

  • @duncanw9901
    @duncanw9901 6 років тому +6

    Double integral, Triple coulours

  • @dellaameliaa27
    @dellaameliaa27 5 років тому +1

    do you have playlist for this? double integral and triple integral

  • @innocentmhlanga9117
    @innocentmhlanga9117 5 років тому

    Thank you very much...

  • @thevirus7020
    @thevirus7020 3 роки тому +1

    thank you

  • @Patapom3
    @Patapom3 6 років тому

    Amazing!

  • @andi_tafel
    @andi_tafel 6 років тому +25

    Toblerone = The Best

    • @filip-kochan
      @filip-kochan 5 років тому +1

      Andi Tafel what is toblerone please?

    • @TrueGamerWoo
      @TrueGamerWoo 5 років тому +1

      Filip Kochan the best method

  • @yash1152
    @yash1152 Рік тому

    4:08 > _"represents bottom part of circle"_
    holly molly, i entirely forgot that and was thinking about root of inverted parabola.
    and by the way, never noticed this connection before too: root of a parabola gives a semi-circle. awesome.

  • @vainqueurndangi6848
    @vainqueurndangi6848 5 років тому

    amazing video bro!

  • @bensnodgrass6548
    @bensnodgrass6548 6 років тому +1

    Surely to integrate with respect to y where there are x's you have to assume that the two functions are independent? Like if you wrote x as a function of y (not treating it as constant) it would look different and you would get a different answer. But then later he connects them by saying x^2 + y^2 = 9...

  • @paulbooer7171
    @paulbooer7171 6 років тому

    Awesome!

  • @mimiphan9582
    @mimiphan9582 2 роки тому

    He is the best.

  • @jarikosonen4079
    @jarikosonen4079 4 роки тому

    How can be sure dy integrate from -3 to +3, not from +3 to -3?
    And theta from -pi/2 to pi/2 instead of pi/2 to -pi/2...
    Maybe always integration from smaller coordinate to larger cooridate?
    It looks quite certain though that final integration result is positive...
    If dx was from 3 to 0, would you use theta pi/2 to -pi/2 or r from 3 to 0?
    This case does it matter which one of the variables would integrate in the negative direction?

  • @lou.104
    @lou.104 4 роки тому

    Do you have a video on sketching the integration domain for a double integral?

  • @vai_-cn9br
    @vai_-cn9br 2 роки тому

    The method you applied at the beginning...I call it 'clumsy integral' whenever I encounter it lol

  • @guilhermepimenta_prodabel
    @guilhermepimenta_prodabel 10 місяців тому

    In the second method you should use absolute value.

  • @v0igr409
    @v0igr409 2 роки тому

    nobody is talking about the GIANT TOBLERON CHOCOLATE BAR AT THE END ??

  • @josammarenye4021
    @josammarenye4021 2 роки тому

    I was so confused where the r came from when we switch dydx to polar form😭 thanks for giving me so much peace😄❤️❤️

  • @Quarbenah_Fendi
    @Quarbenah_Fendi 2 роки тому

    the double integral is essentially calculating the volume of the origin-centered half-cylinder, which is capped by the surface x^3+xy^2. It baffles my mind how this volume can be a rational number, given that a circle is involved.

  • @appybane8481
    @appybane8481 Рік тому

    To continue in first way, use u=9-x^2, that's also easy!

  • @stydras3380
    @stydras3380 6 років тому

    the first one seems unnecessarily cruel xD anyhow... fun video!! :)

  • @acehabib5008
    @acehabib5008 6 років тому +1

    Can you do a triple integral please? Triangle integration? THANKS !

  • @lostwizard
    @lostwizard 6 років тому

    I did it the first way and messed up the numerical calculations the first time through.
    It looks really scary after substituting in the Y values. However, a little fiddling around and using u = 9 - x^2 gives a relatively nice second integration. There is an x^2 that doesn't immediately disappear from the substitution but it's easy enough to represent x^2 in the u world. Sure, it's not as nice as the other two methods since the square roots don't disappear. However, with the converted integration limits, you end up substituting a 9 into the square roots so the actual calculation is straight forward enough.

    • @lostwizard
      @lostwizard 6 років тому

      Okay. So I made a video with the working out for the first way: ua-cam.com/video/svWkm8s2ABQ/v-deo.html

  • @sayanpakira8
    @sayanpakira8 6 років тому +1

    Great

  • @marianesaliba2594
    @marianesaliba2594 3 роки тому

    Thank youu❤❤

  • @omerangi4695
    @omerangi4695 6 років тому

    That coffee cup tho

  • @Tarheb
    @Tarheb Рік тому +1

    x((9-x^2)^3/2)/3 disappears because one is positive and one negative

  • @DanNguyen-oc3xr
    @DanNguyen-oc3xr 4 роки тому +1

    Why am I watching math at 1 am? I guess I can claim this as studying

  • @andreasvalen8802
    @andreasvalen8802 5 років тому

    thanks

  • @anicetoaniceto1020
    @anicetoaniceto1020 5 років тому

    I did the integral and it still took me a long time I had to do two integrals.

  • @Kurtlane
    @Kurtlane 6 років тому +1

    I tried the same arrangement, but with function x^2+y^2 (instead of x^3+xy^2). Following method 3 (polar), I got (81 / 4) * pi.
    But if this is half a circle, then its area should be pi * r^2 / 2, and if r = 3, it should be (9 / 2) * pi.
    What did I do wrong, or maybe the whole thing is not really the area of half a circle? Please explain.
    Thanks.

    • @cicciobombo7496
      @cicciobombo7496 6 років тому +3

      x^2+y^2 in 3d is not a plain circle, it is a parabola rotated on itself in the y axis, so what you calcultae with this double integral is the volume under this shape, very different from the area of a circle :D

  • @fireemblem2770
    @fireemblem2770 4 роки тому

    At 1:05, why would you ADD the exponent, and then divide the exponent by 3? I've never seen this before.

  • @andualemfetene9237
    @andualemfetene9237 5 років тому

    oh nice!
    polar coordinate is best for me

  • @rkumaresh
    @rkumaresh 6 років тому +1

    Polar method is suitable for this problem

  • @GhostyOcean
    @GhostyOcean 4 роки тому

    *GREEN'S THEOREM INTENSIFIES*

  • @persekarva6444
    @persekarva6444 6 років тому +1

    Im way too drunk to understand this, but im still watching lol

  • @ev4_gaming
    @ev4_gaming 5 років тому

    just a question, can u reverse the order of the integtation signs? would that give the same answer?

    • @achyuthramachandran2189
      @achyuthramachandran2189 5 років тому +1

      There's a whole method of evaluating double integrals by changing the order of integration. However, you have to change the bounds between which they are evaluated as well. You can't simply switch dy and dx and the integral bounds in the front. Hope that helps!

  • @NecmettinMarmara-Fizikci
    @NecmettinMarmara-Fizikci Рік тому

    Polar coordinate
    ua-cam.com/video/BEBB3HRPl1E/v-deo.html

  • @karljoyeux5148
    @karljoyeux5148 5 років тому

    Da secund one is very cool

  • @mathmathician8250
    @mathmathician8250 5 років тому

    Can you make a triple integrals?

  • @JaskoonerSingh
    @JaskoonerSingh 5 років тому

    great video which helped me a lot. I think you lost a bit of steam near the end!

  • @kuantumalex7937
    @kuantumalex7937 6 років тому +1

    Polar coard is the best

  • @dankylesiao4755
    @dankylesiao4755 3 роки тому

    the toblerone in the last tho

  • @mcwulf25
    @mcwulf25 4 роки тому

    Polar is easy. Did it in my head!

  • @Timorftw
    @Timorftw 6 років тому

    Polar way made it so easy.

  • @3manthing
    @3manthing 4 роки тому

    polar coordinates are my choice

  • @sushruttadwalkar7701
    @sushruttadwalkar7701 4 роки тому

    trig sub looks intimidating but actually is pretty simple if you go forward with it, obviously the other methods can be considered better though😅

    • @ArifSolvesIt
      @ArifSolvesIt Рік тому

      using polar coordinates is unfortunately not always the best way. Hence, if you use the polar coordinates to calculate the area of an ellipse, the integral you need to solve turns out to be more difficult to handle than the one you solve using Cartesian coordinates; you can see ua-cam.com/video/I1vRL-5e2lQ/v-deo.html

  • @copperfield42
    @copperfield42 6 років тому +1

    I did it without changing the order of integration or coordenate system... I have to do it 3 times to get the result DX

  • @cameronspalding9792
    @cameronspalding9792 4 роки тому

    With the first method it was so complicated that I ended up with the wrong answer

  • @JohnnyPerson1
    @JohnnyPerson1 6 років тому

    YOu are awesome!!!

  • @user-vm6qx2tu3j
    @user-vm6qx2tu3j 6 років тому +2

    Published on my birthday 😍

    • @victorkkariuki
      @victorkkariuki 6 років тому +1

      Rash Scientist happy belated birthday

  • @aaronargottelopez3488
    @aaronargottelopez3488 4 роки тому

    danke

  • @thomasblackwell9507
    @thomasblackwell9507 4 роки тому

    Polar!

  • @yash1152
    @yash1152 Рік тому

    18:45 what is TOBLERONE?? :D

  • @aninditasarkar688
    @aninditasarkar688 5 років тому

    Why in polar coordinate dxdy is equal to rdr(theta)

    • @KingRustee
      @KingRustee 5 років тому

      Essentially dxdy or dydx is a small change in x multiplied by a small change in y to give a small rectangular change in area. To create this same rectangle in polar coordinates, you take a small change in the radius (dr) and multiply it with a small change in the arc (rdθ) to give rdrdθ.

  • @user-eu5gl3th2t
    @user-eu5gl3th2t 6 років тому +2

    Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssss

  • @Kurtlane
    @Kurtlane 6 років тому +1

    What is this Jacobian? Can anyone explain?

    • @botondosvath2331
      @botondosvath2331 6 років тому

      You can see it in the following video from Dr. Peyam: ua-cam.com/video/MIxTvKXG1jY/v-deo.htmlm55s

    • @alanhiguera3484
      @alanhiguera3484 6 років тому +2

      Kurtlane it is a matrix of the partial derivatives of the change of coordinates. in this case, x=rcos(theta) and y=rsin(theta) are the change of coordinates, you takes the partial derivatives of both with respect to r and theta, and you take the determinant of the matrix which gives r. its essentially the multidimensional analogue to dealing with the differential du in u-substitution in the single variable case.

  • @jonshonjohn4756
    @jonshonjohn4756 6 років тому

    the first way of doing it is not THAT hard, you can make the change of variable 9-x^2=t and it becomes quite easy from there

  • @sdbstar8515
    @sdbstar8515 4 роки тому

    Why couldn't i see it before 😭😭😭😭

  • @mariahannaherickasingson9827

    im still confused why is it the theta is -pi/2 instead of 3pi/2 huhuhu

  • @margintoosmall925
    @margintoosmall925 6 років тому

    I spent way too much time trying to solve it the first way :(

  • @kirillous
    @kirillous Рік тому

    Lol I paused it and did trig sub, it works but its hella work 🥴

  • @cameronspalding9792
    @cameronspalding9792 5 років тому

    It all ads up!

  • @lornacy
    @lornacy 2 місяці тому

  • @wkingston1248
    @wkingston1248 6 років тому +2

    Back in my day we didn't have these new fangled 'polar coordinates' we did some good old fashion integration. It builds character unlike the youth with their fancy tricks.

  • @OonHan
    @OonHan 6 років тому +2

    Hi!

  • @chesteezy5197
    @chesteezy5197 6 років тому +3

    BUT THE CHEN LU!

  • @tungboychak2295
    @tungboychak2295 5 років тому

    EVERY TIME I INTERACT WITH YOUR VIDEO SIR, I GET UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT PARTY OF THE COURSE

  • @escila91
    @escila91 5 років тому

    Are you a wizard?

  • @pharundps9434
    @pharundps9434 3 роки тому

    I want to exercise Limited

  • @pappaflammyboi5799
    @pappaflammyboi5799 5 років тому

    I know this is a dumb question, but I gotta ask it. But before I do, I understand how you did the double integral all 3 ways. Not too bad. Now here's my question: Once you find out it's a circle of radius 3 from theta = -pi/2 to pi/2, and you're interested in finding the area, which is what this integral is doing, why not just apply the function A = 1/2*pi*r^2 where r = 3.
    Thing is, it's not the same answer... what went wrong???

    • @lukandrate9866
      @lukandrate9866 Рік тому

      The integral computes the volume between the given region and the given f(x,y), not the area of the region

  • @j0j083
    @j0j083 6 років тому

    I did it using the first way but got 354/5 or 70.8

  • @emmanuelontiveros8446
    @emmanuelontiveros8446 6 років тому +1

    Polar is the easier method

  • @mimiphan9582
    @mimiphan9582 2 роки тому

    Wait how did blackpenredpen got r dr dtheta ?