The final line on the album I think hits the hardest cause it lyrically is "that I love you" yet it sounds like "dad I love you" which can be beautifully fitting for the lyrical theme of the album since a majority is about his dad and grief of loss
Yeah, the finally track definitely seemed to have some the deepest writing I've heard from Parker, this whole album honestly, I need to do another listen with the lyrics handy, I feel like it would elevate that track for me - Elliot
“30 seconds of nothing” as if music is meant to be a race to the end of the song. If you want only lyrics, go read poetry…learn to appreciate when an artist just lets the music breathe
When you mainly listen to 1-2 minute fast punk songs, it is 😅 That said, as a full album experience (2nd listen after this video), I think the ring outs work perfectly fine, it does give you a space to think before the next track. But please don't tell me to learn shit, it's pretentious - Elliot
I really love the feedback ring-outs. they’ve always done it, and I think it’s nice to give the songs a bit of space from each other so the record doesn’t feel so cramped. I get why some might not be into it, but I thought those acoustic tracks were incredible
I don't mind the fade outs. It was just amusing every song had one, I think it does give you time to appreciate the song before the next track kicks on - Elliot
Ass take on Nothing To Say. The change in tone between sections fucks hard and your take is just straight hotdog water 🤷♂️ Not just the heavy headbang feel when it starts but the variation at the end seals the deal lol
I agree. It’s the best song on the album. When they mentioned “the first three songs of “The things” deifined the album they lost me. Considering the glass is one of the best pop punk songs of all time and the album really starts to fuck starting with empty space until framework. But that ain’t far from what they presented to us in 2013. It’s just a more mature version of it. Best song on the album I’m not sure what the “it felt longer than it was” They are 2 minute songs. They fell like 3 minute songs?
@jpal1993 Didn't say the first 3 tracks defined that record, they are just all great songs. The Glass is my favorite track off What You Don't See. - Elliot
I didn't like the superficial and almost mocking approach you took here, It’s not 2013 TSSF era, they matured their sound, so if you guys didn’t like Self Titled and PD maybe you shoudn’t have done this review expecting something different.
I liked Self Titled and Proper Dose, I was perplexed why John didn't like S/T but that's his opinion. There was no mocking, it's was just fun observations between two friends, I didnt take any points off for the things I joked about. We just didn't like the record on first listen as much as you did. - Elliot
It's a great album, but if you're a gatekeeper with a very narrow taste in music limited to slick punky sounds then you probably hate 99.9% of music in general, and I just pity you. It's not your taste but that doesn't mean its bad. Lol.
I know y'all said you aren't really thinking of the conceptual aspect of the record, but Parker definitely had someone in his life pass away, a lot of it if you just see, he says him a lot, unless Parker is secretly gay then he definitely lost some friend or family member, it makes songs like White Shores and I want to disappear very heart wrenching, and even all the other songs are talking about his relationship with the music and how he isn't being there for himself or the music, or even family and just "wants to disappear", it seems like a lot of writing of guilt from not being there for that person before they went, but also still having problems with how that person was to him, pretty straightforward but for the story so far I definitely respect making it thematic
It's not easy to examine the record as a whole piece on a first listen. Only so much can be absorbed, I opt for examining song structure, melody, and just my initial feelings towards my perception of the song. This is definitely an album that you need to listen to by yourself and think about, I could tell it had deeper elements we were gonna miss with a surface level reaction. On my 2nd listen, I like the album as a whole better already, and I think White Shores is a much better track than my initial reaction. I still feel I Want to Disappear is a weak way to end the record, and I would prefer White Shores be the final song. At least as far as album structure goes. - Elliot
@@PunkRockRadar i definitely agree with you the structure of the album was one my my few gripes with the record, it felt like they didn't scatter those soft songs enough around the energetic songs, and White Shores definitely should be the last song on it Also to be fair though for context I've always liked when the story so far blends their melodic softer stuff with the high energy, What You Don't See is still my favorite album from them because of that
John keeps describing the sound of the band he likes that they DO on the ST album :D I have no idea how the ST is not mentioned with the earlier ones. Probably heavier.
What makes White Shores such a special song to you? I probably was to low with my rating, but it's still not particularly my favorite song on the record
I would say this album will overall resonate more with people who've been following the band's and especially Parker Cannon's (recent) history as it mainly deals with a lot of his personal struggles i.e. overcoming grief, depression and rekindling his passion for the band and music as a whole, according to him.
I can’t say that any album is bad. Am I a fan ? 100%. I love tssf. I can see points from both but every song has a meaning to me and that’s what always brings me to them. I love all their music. Will continue to support them.
Parker's vocal delivery is like no other. I have no idea how he sings half of this stuff live. He does not follow the rhythm or something. Starts next line before one before has completely finished etc.
great album. Perfect band. Bands do not sit around and decide ring outs, or what production should sound like in the end. Or even how an album should flow . Music works song by song and it ends up how I ends it up. You put the songs in order the best you can which is typically pretty obvious where about a particular track should roughly be. Just feel like you are pointing out arbitrary stuff that to me kind of shades the effort and time taken. you are severely undervaluing melody, lyrics, creativity, execution, originality. the very best records take time to digest and this band is so much better than they will ever get credit for. Much respect
I think you're focusing on one aspect of what we talked about and ignoring the rest. This is also a first reaction, not a proper review or analysis, I personally can't fully digest an album going track by track, it's merely the emotions I feel upon a first listen and parsing through the aspects I enjoyed or didn't. Also, Melody was definitely NOT undervalued and mentioned multiple times. Lyrics are much harder to digest on first listen but we talked about the lyrics a few times. Also, I don't think TSSF planned on having long, feedback ring outs but they definitely decided to keep them. They didn't plan the production, but they definitely decided to go with this style. I don't think Parker had a mapped out diagram of how he wanted to structure the album... but the album sequence and structure is purposeful, I don't know why you wouldn't think it is? This is such an arbitary point to be on about, woefully uncharitable and not even true. Because we weren't saying what you said.
This album doesn't do it for me personally and I think it's easily their worst, I get the subject matter but I don't listen to this genre to feel depressed like this album makes me.
It was a boring ending. I love when they finish with a banger. Though, a lot of big albums in the 90s started that ending with a slow song and did it well. It does not work for punk or pop-punk though. Must end on a high.
Hard disagree on white shores man, got me in my feels.
One of the best songs musically ever made.
Agreed White Shores is an incredible beacon for them
Wow these takes fuckin sucked
Lol thanks for watching man
10/10 album
10/10 all day for sure!!!
Yeah for sure
Nothing to say is the most tssf/ no pressure on the album which happens to be my favorite track as well
Their ST album is the bomb. I find it odd people like their early stuff and then jumped off. The ST is amazing.
I feel like the S/T is basically just as good as the first two records tbh, Nerve & Heavy Gloom are all time TSST songs!
ST is my favorite of their releases
Proper Dose is also good, bu it takes a little time to grow on you
Agree I can only assume most of their fans are young kids. ST has weight. As does WYDS.
@@elftower907 Nah most of the fans are probably young adults now to be fair
The final line on the album I think hits the hardest cause it lyrically is "that I love you" yet it sounds like "dad I love you" which can be beautifully fitting for the lyrical theme of the album since a majority is about his dad and grief of loss
Yeah, the finally track definitely seemed to have some the deepest writing I've heard from Parker, this whole album honestly, I need to do another listen with the lyrics handy, I feel like it would elevate that track for me - Elliot
Why would he still have his father's lust?
@@garyswann3292like he inherited it
“30 seconds of nothing” as if music is meant to be a race to the end of the song. If you want only lyrics, go read poetry…learn to appreciate when an artist just lets the music breathe
When you mainly listen to 1-2 minute fast punk songs, it is 😅
That said, as a full album experience (2nd listen after this video), I think the ring outs work perfectly fine, it does give you a space to think before the next track.
But please don't tell me to learn shit, it's pretentious - Elliot
@@PunkRockRadar comment wasn’t meant for you😂
@@huntergraham1304Same applies
@@PunkRockRadar 🤣
I really love the feedback ring-outs. they’ve always done it, and I think it’s nice to give the songs a bit of space from each other so the record doesn’t feel so cramped. I get why some might not be into it, but I thought those acoustic tracks were incredible
beautiful album might be my fav next to WYDS
I don't mind the fade outs. It was just amusing every song had one, I think it does give you time to appreciate the song before the next track kicks on - Elliot
Ass take on Nothing To Say. The change in tone between sections fucks hard and your take is just straight hotdog water 🤷♂️ Not just the heavy headbang feel when it starts but the variation at the end seals the deal lol
I already enjoy it more the second listen, thanks for watching bro 😅
I agree. It’s the best song on the album. When they mentioned “the first three songs of “The things” deifined the album they lost me. Considering the glass is one of the best pop punk songs of all time and the album really starts to fuck starting with empty space until framework. But that ain’t far from what they presented to us in 2013. It’s just a more mature version of it. Best song on the album
I’m not sure what the “it felt longer than it was”
They are 2 minute songs. They fell like 3 minute songs?
Big facts
@jpal1993 Didn't say the first 3 tracks defined that record, they are just all great songs. The Glass is my favorite track off What You Don't See. - Elliot
Madness hating on "Nothing to say" the half time switch is epic
I didn't like the superficial and almost mocking approach you took here, It’s not 2013 TSSF era, they matured their sound, so if you guys didn’t like Self Titled and PD maybe you shoudn’t have done this review expecting something different.
I liked Self Titled and Proper Dose, I was perplexed why John didn't like S/T but that's his opinion. There was no mocking, it's was just fun observations between two friends, I didnt take any points off for the things I joked about. We just didn't like the record on first listen as much as you did. - Elliot
I loved the album😫
Nothing to say is the best song from mee. 10/10 for meee
It's a great album, but if you're a gatekeeper with a very narrow taste in music limited to slick punky sounds then you probably hate 99.9% of music in general, and I just pity you. It's not your taste but that doesn't mean its bad. Lol.
I know y'all said you aren't really thinking of the conceptual aspect of the record, but Parker definitely had someone in his life pass away, a lot of it if you just see, he says him a lot, unless Parker is secretly gay then he definitely lost some friend or family member, it makes songs like White Shores and I want to disappear very heart wrenching, and even all the other songs are talking about his relationship with the music and how he isn't being there for himself or the music, or even family and just "wants to disappear", it seems like a lot of writing of guilt from not being there for that person before they went, but also still having problems with how that person was to him, pretty straightforward but for the story so far I definitely respect making it thematic
It's not easy to examine the record as a whole piece on a first listen. Only so much can be absorbed, I opt for examining song structure, melody, and just my initial feelings towards my perception of the song.
This is definitely an album that you need to listen to by yourself and think about, I could tell it had deeper elements we were gonna miss with a surface level reaction.
On my 2nd listen, I like the album as a whole better already, and I think White Shores is a much better track than my initial reaction. I still feel I Want to Disappear is a weak way to end the record, and I would prefer White Shores be the final song. At least as far as album structure goes. - Elliot
@@PunkRockRadar i definitely agree with you the structure of the album was one my my few gripes with the record, it felt like they didn't scatter those soft songs enough around the energetic songs, and White Shores definitely should be the last song on it
Also to be fair though for context I've always liked when the story so far blends their melodic softer stuff with the high energy, What You Don't See is still my favorite album from them because of that
John keeps describing the sound of the band he likes that they DO on the ST album :D I have no idea how the ST is not mentioned with the earlier ones. Probably heavier.
im sure you guys are nice people but that initial reaction to white shores was like legitimately ignorant as hell in my opinion
What makes White Shores such a special song to you? I probably was to low with my rating, but it's still not particularly my favorite song on the record
Att and ysimw are the hardest for sure.
I would say this album will overall resonate more with people who've been following the band's and especially Parker Cannon's (recent) history as it mainly deals with a lot of his personal struggles i.e. overcoming grief, depression and rekindling his passion for the band and music as a whole, according to him.
I can’t say that any album is bad. Am I a fan ? 100%. I love tssf. I can see points from both but every song has a meaning to me and that’s what always brings me to them. I love all their music. Will continue to support them.
I don't think any TSSF album is bad either, and John doesn't think S/T & Proper Dose are necessarily bad, just not his tastes.
Parker's vocal delivery is like no other. I have no idea how he sings half of this stuff live. He does not follow the rhythm or something. Starts next line before one before has completely finished etc.
this album was so good 🔥🔥🔥🔥
AOTY 🤍
great album. Perfect band. Bands do not sit around and decide ring outs, or what production should sound like in the end. Or even how an album should flow . Music works song by song and it ends up how I ends it up. You put the songs in order the best you can which is typically pretty obvious where about a particular track should roughly be. Just feel like you are pointing out arbitrary stuff that to me kind of shades the effort and time taken. you are severely undervaluing melody, lyrics, creativity, execution, originality. the very best records take time to digest and this band is so much better than they will ever get credit for. Much respect
I think you're focusing on one aspect of what we talked about and ignoring the rest. This is also a first reaction, not a proper review or analysis, I personally can't fully digest an album going track by track, it's merely the emotions I feel upon a first listen and parsing through the aspects I enjoyed or didn't.
Also, Melody was definitely NOT undervalued and mentioned multiple times. Lyrics are much harder to digest on first listen but we talked about the lyrics a few times.
Also, I don't think TSSF planned on having long, feedback ring outs but they definitely decided to keep them. They didn't plan the production, but they definitely decided to go with this style. I don't think Parker had a mapped out diagram of how he wanted to structure the album... but the album sequence and structure is purposeful, I don't know why you wouldn't think it is?
This is such an arbitary point to be on about, woefully uncharitable and not even true. Because we weren't saying what you said.
Damn these dudes have horrible opinions aside from the self titled track lol
Interesting thoughts, not an album I’ll listen to from start to finish. Some cool songs, but overall not my favorite. Great job guys!
Great job as usual 👍🏻 When’s the top 5 strung out song video coming out?
I hate to say it, but the last song is super weak on this album. Way to have the balls to say it
This album doesn't do it for me personally and I think it's easily their worst, I get the subject matter but I don't listen to this genre to feel depressed like this album makes me.
It was a boring ending. I love when they finish with a banger. Though, a lot of big albums in the 90s started that ending with a slow song and did it well. It does not work for punk or pop-punk though. Must end on a high.