Overloaded Plane Fails To Climb After Takeoff
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2023
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Aerosucre Boeing 727 struggling to climb after takeoff
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Qantas Airbus A380 appearing to be hovering mid air
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King Air 350 landing at Ocean Reef Airport
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Emirates Airbus A380 fighting strong crosswind on takeoff
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JU-52 landing short the the runway
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Aerosucre never disappoints!
yes, they're in active negotiations with this channel about shared ad revenue, I've heard 🤣
😂😂😂😂 I know!!!
Birmingham and Manchester England aero ports are NOTORIOUS for their winds of all sorts!
I literally thought, "Aerosucre. All is right in the world."
That one wasn’t even that bad
I knew which airline it would be before I clicked.
This
I immediately thought Aerosucre!
Yep, no surprise there!
Same...would have been disappointed if it wasn't Aerosucre....
Same...would have been disappointed if it wasn't Aerosucre haha
Welcome back Aero Sucre, we missed you :)
finally, the return of aerosucre to bless our youtube feeds
Finally! The return of Aerosucre. Long time no see! 🙃 Also, did we by chance see a former Ryanair pilot "land" the Junkers?😳
Former Ryanair pilot indeed - they can the pilots that land smoothly. That Junkers may have landed short, but it was smooth.
The last vid is nothing compared to coming in to land in San Diego (SAN) lol
Does anyone know any airports that SAN is nothing compared to? I'm not talking barely beating it, I'm talking by a lot..
..but I always talk about beating it by a lot. 😉
nah, didnt look like it strained the landing gear, and it was at the right airport.
Most of the statements about the 727 being overloaded and unable to climb are just BS. This type of takeoff profile in a 727 is not unusual when the plane is at higher weights and/or from certain high elevation runways and/or weather conditions. IOW, it may not be "overloaded" at all. At hot, high-density altitude airports, abnormally low or high flap setting takeoffs may be appropriate given the available runway length. They can however, give you a lousy initial vertical profile.
Bringing the flaps up in a 727 was a bit more work than today's planes. We kept the vertical speed between 1-300 feet per min to maximize acceleration. Going from F15 to a clean wing used up a lot of real estate when heavy. You didn't simply say "Flaps Up" and then blast off toward cruise altitude like you do now. When I flew it for brand X, we flew climb profiles just like this one often in the summer. It depended on the length of the runway available, the temp, field elevation, aircraft weight, and any possible obstructions within the clearway zone off the end of the runway. The goal is to use the flap setting and profile that allowed you to carry the maximum weight for a given runway/ temp/elevation/runway obstacle profile.
Old swept-wing jets simply did not have the amazing vertical takeoff performance of today's big-ass high bypass fanjets. But, they'd sure get you to the bar a hell of a lot quicker!
On the 27, cruising at .84 was nothing. .86-.87 was easy on most of them. Every once in a while, you'd see .89. Today? Maybe .82. Some of our airplanes were certified to operate at different Zero Fuel Weights. And with the A/B (high/low Zero Fuel Weight) switch on the airspeed indicator, you could sometimes see 400 KIAS. The A/B switch would manually raise the Maximum indicated airspeed by as much as 40 knots Indicated Air Speed and Vmo. The 27 may have been the coolest jet I've ever flown. Pure fun. (Except when it wasn't) ;) And to be honest, blasting across the landscape at high speed and relatively low altitude is fun. It does not mean the airline is inept, that the pilots did something wrong, that they're hauling a million pounds of coke or any other reason. They're just trying to take off as heavy as they legally can from a short, high runway on a hot day. It's simple economics. All airlines do it. If they were flying modern jets with high-bypass fans, I doubt that anyone would even know about them. They also would have kept that 727 out of the fence. A lot of peeps commenting on aviation-specific YT are flat-out wrong. There were other factors such as a Tailwind take off, incorrect V-Speeds, and a too-slow rate of rotation that doomed that jet FAR more than just being overweight. Old DC9s and 727s when heavily (legally) loaded in HOT weather and at HIGH elevations (can you say South America for MOST of the year) simply did not have the vertical profiles of today's fan jets. The higher, the hotter, the heavier, the closer you are to the cows off the far end. It's not really a big deal no matter what you read here.
Many people commenting on these 72 (and other old school planes) videos need to read and understand what you said here! Nothing wrong with that profile!
Thank you so much for clarifying. That airline has already a fame for their "overloaded" planes, and every video about them shows the same: this climbing profile, on a 727, taking off from an airport in a very hot, humid city, such as this one from Yopal (it's not "El Yopal" just Yopal). I'm from Colombia and I know how that climate on those cities is. I wonder if there's ever a video of these planes taking off from here, from Bogotá, where we are at high-altitude (2.600m over sea level) and with normal temperatures (14C on average).
What I do hate about those 727s is the noise they make.
In the late 60s and early 70s, I used to watch 727s and DC9s take off from Miami International, and it always seemed like they were shooting up at 45 degree angles. Are you saying those planes were mostly empty?
@@germanlondono8700 Oh man... the noise is the best part! Unless you live under it ;-)
What I wait for is all the predictable Aorosucre comments. Mostly from people whohad never heard of Aerosucre before they watched this channel.
What is remarkable is that the Aerosucre folks upload their own videos to the net for all of us to see and get highlighted here. I love it. Great channel. Thank you!
Makes you think which situations occurred without (uploaded) video if they think this one is just fine to show
@@gegessen159these are normal take offs for a 727 at high weight and warm temperatures. Most of their videos are normal, it’s just that UA-cam warriors make it sound worse than it is.
Do you have a link to their official videos?
I was just going to say the same!
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 Spoken like all the other idiots in here.
It's a normal takeoff for an overweight plane which is why they have weight limits.
Hit sink wind shear or lose an engine and you are dead, which is exactly what happened to this same airline when luck wasn't with them and they tried to takeoff. Calling taking off overweight normal is an idiot's perspective on what is happening here.
Phew, for a moment i thought that Aerosucre were never going to make another appearance! Glad to know they are still about and that nothing has changed!
Um... that clip is at least 6 years old.
Aerosucre is more than 50 years in service.
Aerosucre - roughly translated as 'flying bag of sugar' and about as airworthy as one!
@@fritz46 In which case can someone check on them for me! ;)
It's amazing seeing that hovering optical illusion. I thought planes were actually doing that when I was a kid. These crosswind takeoff and landings are very impressive to watch!
I grew up in Chicago and took many trips with my family to O'Hare to drop off or pick up relatives, and often this optical illusion took effect and freaked me out a bit.
Yeah, my first time seeing that illusion was as a kid, too. My mom was no scientist, but she explained it was our eyes playing tricks because the plane was moving a certain way, and we were moving another, and if we stopped so would the illusion. I couldn't figure out the specifics, of course, but her explanation made sense. After all, I saw trees and bushes and phone poles an people and houses all going past, and I knew that regardless of what it LOOKED like, THEY weren't moving, WE were; and they all appeared to be moving at different speeds, but THAT couldn't be true because we could only move one speed at a time. So THAT was an illusion based on distance. So if the plane was movinga certain way, and we were moving a certain way, and we were a certain distance apart, I could understand how it might LOOK like the plane was hanging in mid air.
Satisfied with that, I watched it until it "started moving again", and moved on. But it was neat to watch, especially because conditions had to be just right, and that didn't happen often.🤓
Optical Illusion my Ass, it's called a glitch in the Matrix, the Airbus is caught in a Parallel Universe, and so is all the passengers and crew.
@badass6.0powerstroke10 why are you getting your panties all bunched up for? Is it that serious? SMDH.
my first flight, at the way to the airport, seeing that massive 747 hanging motionless in the sky after take off.. that was impressive, i was more excited to fly after seeing that..
The Junkers touched down in the rough instead of the fairway, but as Mr. Incredible might say: "grass is grass!"
"Lets build our mansion right off the end of an active runway!" "Whaaaaa! The noise the noise! I want to sue somebody!"
The Ju-52 is a rare bird. Cool to see one flying. Thanks for posting.
I'm glad they didn't damage the Junkers
THE KING IS BACK! The king, the undisputed champion, the heavy weight fighter of low level takeoffs! 😁😁😁
That's a normal takeoff for Aerosucre. Actually they were a bit too steep 😅
They need to limit carry-on luggage to just one or two bales of coke.
@@fluchterschoen😁
A very warm welcome back to Aerosucre. Glad to see you're still in the air!
Barely.
Sort of... eventually, maybe
@@hendricstattmann3638 🤭
@@johnandrews3568 😱
I like it how in the last clip, even the parking of them private planes appears so casual just like when you go to the mall and try to find an empty parking space for your car 😅
It was definitely in the high rent district.
@@skydiverclassc2031 Yep! For the super uper duper rich, lol
😅
@@kovatch3584
4 Years ago I sold 375 Bitcoins and 5 years ago I did my 2nd Ph.D.
I would humbly request you buy a book about aerodynamics to *significantly* increase your knowledge about the subject ;)
Oh, and we also speak five languages here in Switzerland and I did teach myself English. Have a nice day
Never change, Aerosucre, never change.
I also had the feeling that this would be one of our "sponsors" here at the channel. Not only does this airline contribute material, but it also provides raw footage in such detail and without reenactments!
(.34) That nervous laughter by one of the crewman shows how close they came to a one point landing.😮
A classic Aerosucre Flight :D
Excellent episode - thank you! 👍
The air sucre takeoff is not overweight it’s actually procedure for short field take off. They use a large degree of flaps and so they take off at a lower speed than normal. The reason they stay near the ground is to take advantage of ground effect which allowed them to fly at a lower airspeed than normal. Once they gain enough airspeed they begin the climb like normal
I love these vids So educational and interesting. Thank You
Love your content, always interesting.
Aerosucre, we’ve missed you!!❤
I have a feeling Aerosucre filmed this knowing they were going to end up here.
3MOA's contract with Aerosucre
Struggling to ascend $50
Smash runway light $100 (per light)
Runway excursion (non fatal) $200
Go around $300
Pod strike $500
Landing without gear $2,000
Hull loss $5,000 or cost of buying replacement aircraft, whichever is lesser amount .
My dad flew the Ju-52! Spain’s AF had lots of german airplanes. They filmed “The Battle of England” with them
Battle of Britain, unless you're being facetious. Which is unlikely to be the case in a second language.
@@fluchterschoen yes, that one. In Spain it is known as the Batalla de Inglaterra
@@user-microburst well, please let the Spanish know it's actually la Batalla de Gran Bretaña or better still, Batalla del Reino Unido
@@fluchterschoen unfortunately In Spain we use england and Britain indistinctly, incorrect as it is
@@user-microburst that's not good. I know a bit about the difference between Spanish regions such as Basque, Catalonia, Murcia, Cantabria, Asturias, Islas Canarias, Balearics, Galicia, Madrid metropolis etc. In turn it would be appreciated if you acknowledged the different home nations of the UK
I just loved it when the "Iron Annie" JU 52 just got driven through the fence/hedge at - 1.28. They were still in service with the Swiss Air Force in the 1980s.
Nov 1970, I was on a plane from March AFB Calif to Viet Nam....rolled down the flightline, nose came up, seems we rolled with nose up mains on the ground forever, finally pulled it up and i swear my butt scrapped the top of the barb wire fence at the end of flightline, that's ok, jet was a pile and we had to return to LAX and get another one. It was either SeaBoard World, or Flying Tiger line.
Who guessed Aerosucre for that first clip before it started?
It was a no-brainer.
thanks for showing a DFW clip! That's the Qantas A380! That must be an old video, as they stopped flying those in 2020. Good thing i got video of them though!
Thank you for sharing.
Aerosecre upgraded their video footage. They now offer an exclusive interior view option of them almost dying on every takeoff!!!! Lol😂
Anyone else click on this video because when you saw the title you KNEW the AeroSurce was about to shine?
Guilty your honour
Yep!
Flowers besides the runway..this is awesome
Aaah, finaly! 3MoA isn't complete without Aerosucre! 😊
I’m just glad engineers included the ‘hover’ feature in these new A-380’s. It’s impressive.
Seen so many Aerosucre videos, I know that terrain like the back of my hand.
I saw a 'hovering' airliner a couple of weeks ago. I was riding on a train when I saw the plane coming over a low mountain ridge on its final approach just as the train banked into a gentle bend in the tracks. It was amusing to see the big plane 'suspended' in air.
At this point I just feel like Aerosucre is just doing it for the hell of it.
2:40 most well manicured runway I’ve ever seen
I loved watching C-5 's coming into NAS - 1 in Sigonella Sicily ....They just seemed to hover on the horizon and get bigger and bigger until the were about to land
Aerosucre never fails to distress.
That 380 takeoff made all my muscles clinch.
Just a normal take off
Roger that...
A380 undoubtedly the worlds best passenger jet.
@@fx-studiobased on what?😂
*clench.
Great Video
Aeroplanes of all shapes and sizes, age, are such beautiful human achievement !
Seems to me like the greatest human invention, given it's unparalleled practicality.
That’s one of those new VTOL A380’s for destinations without runways :-D
Calling for "gear up" barely 50 feet off the ground might sound unusual, but it's essential to reduce drag as soon as possible and clear the short trees at the end of the runway.
Even more important to clear the tall trees. They're more of a problem.
no sh*t sherlock... tell us something "obvious" next time.
The SOP is call gear up as soon as there is a positive altitude gain on your altimeter.
@@fluchterschoendon’t forget the tall grass.
@@umi3017correct. But doesn’t have to be the altimeter.
That JU-52 was super lucky !!!
Just another working day onboard a beaten up 727.
P.S. I have personally owned some Junkers in my younger day!...a 74 Vega and a 64 T-Bird
The 727 takeoff looks just like every 727 out of high-elevation Albuquerque back in the day. I just always thought a shallow initial climb-out was normal for those older low bypass jets.
It was completely normal.
@@lbowsk I liked the detailed pilot experience comment you made elsewhere in here.
@@jemez_mtn As always in the YOU TUBE universe. One person drops some unscientific, uninformed, statement about an aviation matter, and the other 80 ducklings fall through the storm grate into the drainage canal below. By tomorrow you will hear them chirping for help.
Hey Aerosucre! Long time no see, nice to see you haven't used the time off from this site training your pilots.
The jet hovering ONLY happens when you are also moving. I have lived near the local airport since 1962, so I have seen it many many times. The bigger the jet, the more cool it looks. There is also a road where even on my ebike, it seems I am keep up with a jet taking off.
Great vid. Here I was thinking that microsoft flight simulator's micro stutters were unreal but they're actually real (last vid) 😊
Aerosucre, all time champion of bad flying ✈
Yeah, Aerosucre!
Aerosucre has returned lol
I´m wandering which daredevil was filming inside the aerosucre flying coffin 😂
I had to pause as soon as you confirmed our dear friends from Aerosucre had returned. My, my, how they were missed *heart-emoji.png*
FA07 is a fun airport to operate to/from.
Try it in a Latitude, where the wing span is wider then then rwy.
Oh, watch out for bouncing golf balls.
The last one is amazing, runway lined up with trees and jets on either side ! As to the first, nothing that we already don't know about !
As for the A380 that appears to be hovering, the C5 Galaxy also can seem to be barely moving while on approach.
Where do you find the all old and many times seen clips? I would hope more new content!!!
❤ I love that catchy intro music!
I remember while in the service, We loaded up a Huey helicopter into an old C130 cargo plane and had the jumper seats on the side filled with our unit wearing parachutes. I watched the pilot going full throttle trying to get it off the ground. It took the third attempt to get liftoff. Not a good feeling that day!
The overloaded 727 was so lucky to make it. Overloading a plane is no joke it's what killed Jim Tweto in flying wild Alaska and it was hot mid day on the side of a mountain and he might of had a tailwind but it was the only way to takeoff from that spot. He had one hunter bear parts and camping equipment. In his modified Cessna 180 but it wasn't enough. 😢
Aerosucre always flies so low that it should be dedicated to spraying crops.😂
Aerosucre knows the won't crash and die as they have a cameraman onboard 😉
82ND AIRBORNE
Good stuff Ese...
If you thought Ocean Reef Airport was bizarre, look up Twin Oaks Airport in San Antonio, Texas!
The small private airport in. Our town has 2 propane tank farms near the end of the runway.
😂🤣 that's wild.
All things considered, it's remarkable Aerosucre does not lose more aircraft, given how frequently they are captured on video barely able to take off.
Can someone explain what was abnormal with the first take-off (from El Yopal)?
There was nothing abnormal visible on the video. This channel frequently sensationalises the descriptions of perfectly normal aircraft operations to get more views. More views = more money for them.
It’s not abnormal. Ppl on here are drama queens who don’t know any better.
>Ocean Reef Airport looks lovely
>Opens Microsoft Flight Simulator
I like the way you can fly in on your private jet and then walk right over to your tee off.
I wonder if that Ju 52 is the one that used to be "Iron Annie" which belonged to noted aviation author Martin Caidin.
1:00 - 'The ones in here...are small.'
But the ones out there...are far away'.
☮
Regarding Aerosucre's 727, I can tell knowing them taking off with the #2 engine missing, many, maaaaany times
Oh BS. Offer up some proof, please. The damn things have minimal vertical performance with all three of them running. You expect us to believe that they knowingly take off with only two? Aside from an EMPTY 2 engine maintenance ferry flight being done by a specially trained repo crew, I'd say that an intentional 2 engine ferry flight has never been done. Fun fact, a light 727 will fly one ONE engine.
The plane did not fail to climb. Am I missing something?
Sensation;attracts viewers I suppose.
Can someone explain something to me about this clip @ 2:02
I've noticed on flight sims and videos that when you are on the final approach, the runway looks tiny or blended in. It's odd because runways a very long.
All I can think of is that the pilot is on a predetermined route dropping altitude however if the plane was at a higher altitude you'd see more of the runway.
Ah...my old friends at Aerosucre
These planes can appear to almost stop in mid-flight. Seen them do this so often, and it is stunning, such big birds hardly moving through the sky. I refer to the Airbus A380
I may have been flying that A380 and frequently operated into KDFW.
Also it wasn't unusual to have a 30 knot headwind which would make the "hovering" effect even more pronounced.
Holy crap that’s some serious money parked alongside that residential runway threshold. I see at least two tri-holers, Dassault Falcons (?).
Older 3-hole Falcons can be had for just over 2M.
Didn't know Aerosucre became content creator! They always bring in the views, the likes and shares.
Tante Ju be like : this is what I made of, landing on uneven grass field... 😁
Aerosucre: expanding the performance envelope of Boeing aircraft, every day
You only have to look at the title to know it's Aerosucre.
Always amazes me when people are amazed by parallax. 😂
I knew it was Aerosucre as soon as I saw the headline.
EVERY 727 takeoff looks like It's overloaded.
Junkers ju 52 is a stunning aircraft
I've never seen this many private jets before 😳
Fly over a golf course on approach and then down the entire left side of the runway is another golf course. Fore!
" _But the correct procedure is not to raise the gear until we have a positive rate of climb_ "
"Eh, it shows +1. Good enough!"
2:24 Is this where John Travolta lives with a jet in his "driveway"?
Not quite. He's in Ocala, according to Wiki. This is in Key Largo.
Q; Excessive layering of tire tread on the runway, is that a hindrance (slippery) or does it give more grip?
For anyone who's a pilot or ground crew (retired included), thanks in advance.
It helps with grip, much more sticky than normal asphalt. It’s also why they lay down rubber on the starting grid position in F1
@@monkmodemalik8225 Until it rains.
@@lbowsk Nope, rubber still has very high friction coefficient when wet, much more than pure asphalt
@@monkmodemalik8225 I get that, I read that paper too. But, having landed on a lot of wet runways laden with rubber, I respectfully disagree. That first kiss on wet rubber can be as smooth as glass. Why do airports spend a hellacious sum of money removing the rubber?
Chicago’s Midway Airport, now that’s an airport that is really situated in the middle of a neighborhood.
0:48, little known fact, Qantas aircraft all have the ability to hover for decades if need be, not unlike the fabled 'Dropbear'.
AeroSucre was hoping the earths curvature was a bit more pronounced
Perhaps it would be a good idea to put more people (or cargo) in the back so that more angle of attack could be gotten, like we used to do in the Navy?