Dual Strike Of Ambidexterity Trickster Is A Solid Melee Build

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  • @TheTripleJski
    @TheTripleJski 5 місяців тому +10

    Look, I won't downplay certain attention to detail displayed in the vid. But here's 2 cents nobody asked for...from the perspective of someone who is a little confused. Why wait till you move on and can't show the build in action to make the video? It's just extremely strange to see you lauding ephemeral edge, chaos innoculation it gives, and many other things while then doing an act 9 demo with a blue claw. For the future, I'd ask you either delete an old character or buy a few extra character slots so you can show this off with a little more visual flair. Also, I do understand that this is likely aimed at people like me who have played the game for a while. Still, since you're keeping it under 50 div, there's a cutoff in terms of who this build is for. Not the people who are going to max it out...we're stopping short of them. Also, when you casually speak of ephemeral edge, its interactions, AND chaos innoculation...you could lose even a person with a few hundred hours that just hasn't gotten around to that playstyle yet. I don't mean to come off hating, and I hope this is constructive. This video clearly might lack some things, but it also has a good amount of detail. I just think that effort is betrayed by these little nuances that (in my mind) don't take much to improve. Have a good day, looking forward to the next one.

  • @drewprew
    @drewprew 5 місяців тому +7

    Just a brief correction, ToH will have zero impact on how much physical dmg you deal. Its roll won’t affect how much reflected phys you take.

  • @aldontrimble896
    @aldontrimble896 5 місяців тому +23

    As a melee enjoyer it's just so much work to make it even close to other builds. Biggest weakness of the game imo.

    • @manvsn8ture
      @manvsn8ture 5 місяців тому +6

      its no longer a meme, theyve admitted it. in jonathan rodgers interview with josh strife hayes he made it known that its hard technologically to give melee love in poe1. idk if theyve admitted it before but he makes it clear why. still doesnt explain why they cant just tweak numbers though.

    • @owlknight9081
      @owlknight9081 5 місяців тому +4

      Jokes on you, this skill is probly gonna get nerfed :P

    • @killed_bya_bot7775
      @killed_bya_bot7775 5 місяців тому

      @@manvsn8tureits a cop out though surely. They can make poison builds work which in theory means they should be able to make bleed based builds work (using bleed as the primary focus of melee). Bleed builds are far inferior to a poison based build as a whole. Now if we want to ignore those factors and we work on just raw phys damage vs elemental damage due to the elemental damage being able to inflict said ailment on top of the initial damage so on base values any elemental damage is already 20% higher. To not be able to introduce a simple balance to melee type skills and blame it on some mumbo jumbo no one understands is just a straight up we can’t be bothered fixing it now it’ll be addressed in poe2

    • @antonego9581
      @antonego9581 5 місяців тому

      @@manvsn8ture they could make it a lot better short term by letting melee have permenant totem buff effects at least. the totems are a huge issue with pretty much every melee build, nobody likes them. they are annoying to find gem slots for and annoying to have to be constantly throwing down. IMO they also ruin a lot of the class fantasy, i want to be smashing stuff with a club not summoning totems like a shaman.
      what they should do is give an item slot or something that lets you carry a totem on your back and have some of the buff always active, or something.
      i get that there's deeper fundamental issues with melee in general but right now theres stuff they could do to make a lot more melee skills playable and make melee QoL much better overall

    • @FireInsanity1231
      @FireInsanity1231 5 місяців тому +1

      @@antonego9581 just gut the stupid totem buffs and buff base melee skills, why on earth in 2024 are we still dropping fucking ancestral on every melee in the game its insane

  • @IronArmPanda
    @IronArmPanda 5 місяців тому +2

    I tried dual strike accuracy stacking on jugg with stormrider's but sadly my attempt didn't even come close to the replica albs version 😅. It is however way more viable early on when you're poor, can still run juicy t16's with some decent weapons that have spell damage and at least a t2 ele mod.
    To anyone that doesn't want to pay 5div for the trash rolled quick and deadly jewels that people are trying to sell, just horticraft speed on some dual wield jewels to make some yourself.

  • @Pizzastealingninja
    @Pizzastealingninja 5 місяців тому +7

    Goddamn that shadow voiceline killed me lmao

  • @genocidegrand2057
    @genocidegrand2057 5 місяців тому +32

    The level of intellectual curiosity displayed in this videos is contagious. It's a joy to be a part of.

  • @The_Capii
    @The_Capii 5 місяців тому +2

    Played this exact version last league, 10/10 would double slap again. Cracked build.
    It was my third build of the league so i started with about 50d. Ended up sinking about 1300d total into it just because it was that good. Try it before you hate

  • @und3ni3d
    @und3ni3d 5 місяців тому +2

    First I made your frostblink -> fire trap -> fire trap of more bombs, and then I followed Alkaizer to do this dual strike of ambidexterity, but with marauder :D Having a blast! My build is 'complete' and did full atlas + all voidstones with it. Love that speed you have on the Trickster.

  • @jamessunderlandseventh7410
    @jamessunderlandseventh7410 5 місяців тому +4

    No sir, Melee is not ok, and hasn't been for quite a while.

  • @louischarlet9845
    @louischarlet9845 5 місяців тому +2

    Hi, cool vid, i just didn't understand the Taste of Hate thing mentionned around 3:50

    • @Masao_ours
      @Masao_ours 5 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, 15% is just strictly a little better, we are ele reflect immune. For some non brutality phys build, it was a thing to mitigate ele reflect and still use taste of hate for defense, but with current character damage it's mostly a little thing for a poison build at best (without void manipulation for some reasons).

  • @EnderElohim
    @EnderElohim 4 місяці тому

    5:00 oil is kind of free and easy to farm on blight map you dont need to buy everything XD wait i sell oill hmm forget what i told always buy your oils

  • @syrod9774
    @syrod9774 3 місяці тому

    been playing dual strike since legacy league and is one of my favorite skills. imho w/o multi strike or with slow attack speed it feels really bad to play. id rather vorici my sockets and try hut atleast 1 of the blue sockets (in your build) to swap lightning pen with splash. also even just 1 additional target feels good already once you got the splash and atleast 7 attacks per second

  • @coffeeknight2353
    @coffeeknight2353 5 місяців тому +1

    Sudden D&D comparison, kinda snapped me out of the loop there for a sec lol, grate video as always btw

  • @aliveptgames6842
    @aliveptgames6842 4 місяці тому

    Unfollowed.
    Don't follow this guide.
    This video is horrible. Zero knowledge of what he's showing and 0 experience playing the build. I don't understand why, in this days, this guy plays this build for a few days and thinks he can make a guide.
    His build as it stands doesn't even have 350,000dps in the game's DS stats
    I don't know if he was trying to make fun of the skill, but just the way he speak shows how much knowledge he has... next time think 100x before doing something without knowing.

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  4 місяці тому

      Please use specific examples of what I did wrong and what I don't understand so we can discuss them. Vagueposting like this saying things are "good/bad/right/wrong" is a poor way to communicate and obfuscates the actual issue.
      For reference, "in game" tooltips are notoriously incorrect and using that as a guideline is flawed, to say the least.
      Also I specifically don't use the word guide in the title or thumbnail, this is just a quick overview of a build to may inspire people to play it (or not play it).

  • @Pharmacopium
    @Pharmacopium 5 місяців тому

    Dude no additional strikes on a strike gem? Maybe you only played this for a short duration but wtf man. Multistrike = auto targeting. Additional strikes AND splash = more damage against clustered enemies.
    I get saying what you did is AN option but it’s a bad option, dude.

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  5 місяців тому

      I played it for a full day and tried all combinations of additional strikes, tribal fury, and splash/multi strike.
      Honestly the biggest factor to comfort here imo would be additional strike range. If you're looking to run t17s I can see an argument for focusing entirely on additional targets but for 8 mod t16s it felt like overkill.

  • @magictearsasunder
    @magictearsasunder 4 місяці тому

    Go to poe ninja, sort by dps and filter by having EHP >100k. You will see it is 95% filled with boneshatter starting from 1billion dps, a lot of 200-500mil and ton of 100mil, all having insane amount of defense layers for such dmg. Unfortunately it has super slow clear speed, the rest is great. Especially, it is super starter-friendly. I personally killed eater, exarch and some shaper’s conquerors with the 5c weapon

  • @dalwand
    @dalwand 5 місяців тому

    Click the gem level up. CLICK THE GEM LEVEL UP! Aaaaah, OCD shortcircuit !!!

  • @KingTUMMAN
    @KingTUMMAN 5 місяців тому

    Most Melee felt sastified to use (especially Slam with Fist of War) but DAMN, it's so hard to made it relevant compare to another pew pew build
    inb4 Hurrdurr go BoneShat Hurrdurrr, let be honest, without shit ton of overbuff that Boneshatter get, that skill is just another AoE Heavy strike.

  • @gochubattamugga
    @gochubattamugga 5 місяців тому

    I was really hoping the trans gem would have changed or altered the sound but... NOPE. I was levling a Marauder and by lvl 50 I just couldnt do it anymore. I was just going to switch gear from my Slayer Str Stacker to the Marauder once it got lvl 68 but that noise is so, so, so bad.

  • @Krigify3252
    @Krigify3252 5 місяців тому

    Cool vid Sub! I've been having fun testing out Raise Zombie of Falling + Arcanist Brand w/ Brand Recall and Automation. It's a cool build!

  • @paulocapelo4271
    @paulocapelo4271 5 місяців тому

    Personally prefer the slam or boneshatter animations etc. I hope the get some love until PoE2 comesout.Watching Alkaizer play it looks solid but personally dont like dual strike.

  • @otter8527
    @otter8527 4 місяці тому

    A neat tip: Vaal Warchief comes with +1 max totems, so you don't need multiple totems and can use that gem slot for something else. You get souls to recast Vaal Warchief very easily. Albeit, for bossing, I'd continue using multiple totems, but for mapping, no need.

  • @thischannelisnotmine
    @thischannelisnotmine 4 місяці тому

    I started as a molten strike trickster from another content creator that turned out really solid, a little lack luster clear and the gem swap from multistrike to ancestral call for clear is annoying, but made t17 bosses braindead (without back to basics), and after doing a bit of crafting i swapped it to the dual strike version and it is super fun for melee and with the amount of luck i had with my gear im pushing 11k ES for super good single target DPS and tankiness

  • @spitz-mv6zb
    @spitz-mv6zb 5 місяців тому

    This build wouldve been insane last league, just leave the body sockets empty you can probably break 20k ES

  • @OtterSeaborne8901
    @OtterSeaborne8901 5 місяців тому

    As far as leaguestart goes, this feels like it could start Splitting Steel (allowed to use Energy Blade over Ephemeral Edge, even though Edge is an upgrade) and then transition early once you have the Edge. The tree and core ideas are very similar.
    (original comment forgot the different weapon types restriction)

  • @KenNywithrice
    @KenNywithrice 5 місяців тому

    This is great, I was literally looking at this on ninja yesterday cuz someone was flexing their char on global chat and now I'm getting a full build explanation hehe

  • @amongabriel3383
    @amongabriel3383 5 місяців тому

    Why 10%p as extra cold rather than 15? Its cold DMG it doesnt Matter for reflect

  • @jagehtso
    @jagehtso 5 місяців тому

    This skill definitely seems to be most easily abused with any kind of stacker build. Like, I was planning to use it on a dex stacker with both the Esh claws.

  • @Big-Garza
    @Big-Garza 5 місяців тому

    Been grinding divs, wanting to leave my leaguestart behind. Might check this out. Torn between this and TbXie's Frost Bomb of Instability build.

  • @rafaelkoch1208
    @rafaelkoch1208 5 місяців тому

    Nooo you are pushing the prices up for ss trickster, just wanted to go with that

  • @marmalar
    @marmalar 5 місяців тому

    I think I hate all POE creators. I tried to follow Frostblink Ignite as a league start and felt so lost when I couldn't push past reds. Subtractem was blazing through stuff and I couldn't make sense of where I went wrong.
    Oh well, start over with a Righteous Fire Chieftain according to Pohx, and again I feel so lost at T16 this time. So, at least I got a bit further.
    But, inevitably, there is no guidance for us scrubs in the middle. I am not beginner but I don't have an ARPG "Big Brain" to min-max my dude correctly. I wanna just give up since I feel so fucking stupid.

    • @WDUSNBMHHU
      @WDUSNBMHHU 5 місяців тому +1

      The hard truth is POE is a complicated game and knowledge is power - you get better at POE by knowing more about how the game works. When you know and understand more then what was difficult seems easy. Hit the education videos (Subtractem has some really good ones), hit the wiki until you get it, then you'll progress. If you don't learn more, you'll always be stuck.

  • @DeaDb0ne28
    @DeaDb0ne28 4 місяці тому

    will you update the assassin coc vortex build ?

  • @S3frog
    @S3frog 5 місяців тому

    I love videos that discuss off meta skills. If you are interested, here's an underappreciated build concept: a power siphon of the archmage mana stacking assassin. With sacred wisps and either chain support or fury valve, the clear should be very smooth.

  • @generationxpvp
    @generationxpvp 5 місяців тому

    Really cool build man! I will stick to SS on my trickster for now, but I will certainly give this a shot! I love full right side trickster 😊

  • @LionheartBeatz
    @LionheartBeatz 5 місяців тому

    Build will be named "The Clanker" :)

  • @bannie11
    @bannie11 5 місяців тому

    I use splitting steel and 1 t17 boss is hard

  • @Anikthias
    @Anikthias 5 місяців тому

    That intro LOL! I tuned in during the live stream and was like "what the heck is that noise?"

  • @brandonpacka6257
    @brandonpacka6257 5 місяців тому

    Don't know if it's on the docket of builds... Holy relic is amazing and for a minion build it feels lazy and super strong

    • @RickReasonnz
      @RickReasonnz 5 місяців тому

      The transfig one? Eh. I preferred my SRS build.

  • @brockvt3938
    @brockvt3938 5 місяців тому

    Is this an expensive build?

  • @isac9448
    @isac9448 5 місяців тому +2

    thats the build of alkhaizerx

  • @masudalimran92
    @masudalimran92 5 місяців тому

    LoL. melee was always amazing. It's you people who can't get the courage to try melee builds over spell, trap & minion characters. Let me give you some more amazing melee builds. double strike of momentum, Lacerate of Haemorrhage, Sunder of Earthbreaking, Cyclone of Tumult, Flicker Strike, Frost Blade, Infernal Blow, Wild Strike of Extremes, Volcanic fissure. All extremely amazing builds that shits on non-melee builds. After playing these builds I won't go back to those spell, totem or minion cuckold playstyle even if you have a gun pointed at my forehead.

    • @ivanr.1005
      @ivanr.1005 4 місяці тому +1

      It's not about damage, melee is so awful to play because of tons of ground effects, slows, and tons of things you should put melee to work.

    • @masudalimran92
      @masudalimran92 4 місяці тому

      @@ivanr.1005 it just feels that way. Melee characters by default get so much more defence. Fortify, easy access to max res, easy access to evasion and armour. And the enjoyment of auto target with multistrike, area coverage with strike additional target for strike skill. Theres ton that you miss out on spell casters. Dont even get me started on totem and minion skills. On bad mod high tier maps they die left and right. The trade off is more than enough. Also, theres the thing called melee enjoyer. I hope more people tries melee cus its a hell of a fun play style.

    • @ivanr.1005
      @ivanr.1005 4 місяці тому +1

      @@masudalimran92 Melee don't have most important thing, and that is range. A lot of mechanics you can just skip with less investment and nerves. And melee works only as stackers, which is not about melee, it's about items which can benefit range too. Casters have a lot more damage, clear and with pathfinder you can make immortal characters. So no, melee is not fine and stop to talk nonsense.

    • @masudalimran92
      @masudalimran92 4 місяці тому

      @@ivanr.1005 I have to disagree. I take it you are obsessed with spell builds to see the fun on playing a melee character. In terms of range tons of melee skills do not need you to sit on top of the enemy to do damage. Aoe skills like Reave, lacerate, ice crash lets you keep attacking from a range. Strike skills like double strike, glacial hammer, infernal blow can hit from range with ancestral call. You need to watch some melee players like carn, mathil and alkaizer. Cuz by the looks of it I dont think you have played a melee character in a while. As the benefits you are talking about specially immortal character with pathfinder. I have a claw double strike of momentum character with 30% instant leech. It took me 4 nodes to make that character immortal. So with all due respect, I feel you are the one saying nonsense

    • @ivanr.1005
      @ivanr.1005 4 місяці тому

      @@masudalimran92 99% of people are saying melee is bad and there is always 1% of people who think they are smarter then others. Just enjoy in your brain and gl.

  • @genocidegrand2057
    @genocidegrand2057 5 місяців тому

    Sono grato per l'opportunità di entrare in contatto e imparare da donne così intelligenti e perspicaci.

  • @dustyjuiceb0x
    @dustyjuiceb0x 5 місяців тому

    Wish there was some geared gameplay on the video. Sounds like a cool build.

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  5 місяців тому

      I only put 20-30 divines into it and was more focused on quality of life and defense. There are many examples of mageblood versions on poe.ninja but that isn't my goal in these one day build explorations.

  • @TheLukeSchnabel
    @TheLukeSchnabel 5 місяців тому

    solid content. i'm gonna look into this gem on a duelist.

  • @derglorreichegeselle
    @derglorreichegeselle 5 місяців тому

    Flickerstrike when? :)

  • @pavjoe2
    @pavjoe2 5 місяців тому

    you a fan of the streamer/youtube choco taco?

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  5 місяців тому +1

      It's why I'm wearing his hoodie yeah :)

    • @pavjoe2
      @pavjoe2 5 місяців тому

      @@subtractem nice!

  • @tommyhjelm2515
    @tommyhjelm2515 5 місяців тому

    Do you level with it or some other skill ?

  • @seikojin
    @seikojin 5 місяців тому

    I tried your suggestion from a stream last league to do cwc cyclone ball lightning sire of shards with hierophant, but it didn't do as good as elementalist. No one seems to have advice on how to get cwc cyclone ball lightning sire with inpulsa above my 3mpds

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  5 місяців тому +1

      If I recommended something with SoS it would more so have been for fun mechanics and not for damage.

    • @macnpro1
      @macnpro1 5 місяців тому +1

      If you want to do cwc, try ball lightning of orbiting. And use something better for dmg than sire of shards

    • @seikojin
      @seikojin 5 місяців тому

      @@subtractem I mean, I was making it this way because I had fun mechanics with explody mobs and dealing screen wide damage with one button. I guess shock porlif? What mechanics would you use SoS to do?

    • @seikojin
      @seikojin 5 місяців тому

      @@macnpro1 BLoO just doesn't have the reach that plain BL has, especially with SoS. The only time I am fine not using SoS is when I have Nimis. Just because Nimis overrides nova from SoS.

  • @mikeywatson25
    @mikeywatson25 5 місяців тому +1

    Make it league startable UwU

    • @subtractem
      @subtractem  5 місяців тому +2

      I state in the video that I'm not sure there's a super easy league start path here but you could definitely get it going by day 3 or so quite easily.

    • @mikeywatson25
      @mikeywatson25 5 місяців тому +1

      @@subtractem ayo ill take first few days, poggers

    • @txflood2519
      @txflood2519 5 місяців тому

      League started jugg doing sunder for labs/temples/heist. Played slow but got alberons day 3 for 4 div. By end of week I had the uniques, jewels and a crafted 2.1 aps claw. Start a more generic build and pivot.

    • @Pizzastealingninja
      @Pizzastealingninja 5 місяців тому

      Maybe boneshatter of carnage? 😅

  • @404404Hunter
    @404404Hunter 5 місяців тому

    corgosDance

  • @seikojin
    @seikojin 5 місяців тому +1

    10mdps is not good, roflmao

    • @m.h.4907
      @m.h.4907 5 місяців тому +2

      10 million DPS is awesome when you have several DPS layers on top. What are you smoking?

    • @seikojin
      @seikojin 5 місяців тому +1

      @@m.h.4907 Not me mate, subtractem was saying the damage wasn't that great, and the pob was showing 10mdps.

  • @bruvkek4629
    @bruvkek4629 5 місяців тому +1

    "Build is useless but maybe at least I will bait some people"