Food Theory: Should I DELETE This Video?
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- Опубліковано 16 кві 2022
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Theorists, we need to talk. My last video on milk was called out by another creator for spreading false information. Ann Reardon, also known as How To Cook That, reacted to my video and had a few corrections. Today, I'm going to be going through those fact checks to see what actually went wrong in that video and make sure we are setting everything straight. Is it a video I should be deleting off the channel? Let's find out.
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Mystery solved ☕️
Yo
agreed
@@HYPERMAN__ same, I’m definitely checking out Brew after this video. Sounds like my kind of content too!
You're here?!
@@HYPERMAN__ me too! Their channel seems really interesting
Haters: "Matpat is a shill for veganism"
Matpat: "in today's episode, I'm going eat several pounds of fried chicken to see if I can identify KFC's secret recipe"
My first thought was the BBQ episode lol. But he's made several episodes about meat.
that would be an interesting video
Lol, this is so true
@@sapphirerubin9510 it's already an actual video i think.
And I would watch all 60 minutes of it
She also said that it was a lot of Kale to get a child to eat. But she said herself, no one was disputing that kids need milk. You were talking better alternatives for adults
Yeah, for example, I'll definitely tell this to my dad who just, doesn't like milk in general. And neither do I. But I love broccoli, so it really is just something to consider
Kids don't *need* milk... kids *need* calcium... Kids can tolerate milk... They are perfectly fine if they get that calcium from other sources though (like, say, tofu)
Matpat: “No intro today friends!”
Also Matpat: *”HELLO INTERNET, WELCOME TO FOOD THEORY!”*
I bursted out laughing 😂😂
That's not the intro buddy
@@retrothelegend571 intro is short for introduction, those are just animated sequences that recaps what the thing is about and then they reveal or "introduce" what its called
@@DeletedDevilDeletedAngel yes that what the word intro means but it's not how we use it, for example the actual intro for food theory does introduce or say what a video is about, saying hello welcome to (channel name) ain't an intro
“MatPat is a shill for veganism”
MatPat: To summarise ,to get the most out of a buffet, only eat the meat
lmfao 💀
*Sound of vegan shrieking in the background*
To make the buffet bankrupt we must choose meat less the carbs
@@sod6290 exactly, only meat.
Exactly what a vegan would say
It’s rare that Matpat tackles criticism head on, but he does it really well actually.
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True
WHY ARE THERE A BUNCH OF BOTS HERE
HOLY ####
(And im not talking about the Mustache guy)
Yes, but it always seems so aggressiv lul
She’s now coming for Sugarologie and grouping her in with “hacks” when Sugarologie has a PhD in biochemistry
Ann seems to enjoy going after people with degrees to see like the all knowing food expert. Lets not forget how educated both Mat and Steph (and their entire team) is. Its a little off putting how she tried to do a take down well known creators for her own person gain
She was right about sugarlogie though.
The fact that she removes the context around what he says in referencing his video to discredit it, speaks alot for itself
@@whitepaint7870 no she wasn’t. Sugarologie made a response proving her claims and showing that Ann was oversimplifying the original process
@@emmabrook9691 then she made a comeback video, and i saw other people who tried the icing hack agree with ann.
MatPat sure is calm but you can see his rage in his nose.
Honestly he basically just proved that he knows what he’s talking about. But also he gave the woman as much credit as she was owed and I respect the heck out of him for doing that.
Far more than she was owed, imo.
Yes. It wasn’t her fault that the haters picked mat as their target. They just watched the video and we’re like: only one tiiiiny little thing that they got wrong that was kinda correct? Well let’s make it seem like it’s mega incorrect!
Yeah I didn't see her criticizing him directly or something, she just expanded on it. The people are the ones completely twisting and blowing it out of proportion, because they were already biased against him, just like the media headlines and articles are doing most of the time. This is why it's very important for people to not bindly believe in something they just heard online before looking into the whole picture and making their own research before making a judgment. The easiest thing is to jump on a hate train with limited information for things people don't fully understand or because it doesn't align with their personal views.
thats cool and all but you used the word heck so you're a child
@@bryceinnerst7963 So edge, much adult!
Two creators criticizing each other's theories and improving on each other's information. The true spirit of great science on display! 👍
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@@GriffinZambia i won't, you bot
Love ya content
Rewatching all the food theory videos, and I can't help remember Ann's responses, comments, etc. It was what made me stop watching her TBH. I was not really a "fan" as in attached to either at the time, I enjoyed both content but the individual creators I was not attached to. So when the...lack luster video came out, followed by her comments within that video to this one. Yeah, I noped out. She refused to admit areas she was wrong in, doubled down constantly, and was more interested in vilifying other creators than actual facts, which made her far less trustworthy as a source to me.
and she has done it again! literally last week, but this time to a small content creator who's tip actually works, she doesn't seem to have bothered to actually watch the original video though, shame
Remember matpat can not be criticized for he is an exeption
@@SoratheProtogen Im not saying he can't be criticized, but the critism here was widely ridiculous, lacked critical thought and research, and accusatory for no real reason. She then doubled down equally hostile, again for no real reason.
@@SoratheProtogenread the comment before you respond thx 😊
@@SoratheProtogen remember you can not be criticized for your reading capabilities are an exception 💀
Honestly disappointed in Ann. Something else happened recently with Sugarologie and her video about increasing color saturation in buttercreams and Ann lumped it in with the fake hacks and debunking without doing additional research while Sugarologie actually did her research and proved it multiple times in her videos. Both with this, the buttercream incident (you could say), and other times she was wrong about smtg, she either responded passive-aggressively, saying she was still right, or completely ignored the criticism and response given to her.
that is the reason i came to check this video out! I was sad to hear about the other times, what she's doing to sugarologie by remaining silent on HER error is not cool
THIS!!! shes deleting criticism comments to make herself look good!!
There was also a video where she "compared" darker and brighter colored baking sheets for heat conductivity, and completely ignored the materials said baking sheets were made of 😂 Helen Rennie made a good breakdown of that one if i remember correctly
@@kyushirokun i think that they misunderstood each other cus they were arguing about diff things, but it's surprising how Ann basically always thinks shes right no matter this time for sugarologie and for helen
She also promotes an MLM
I feel like over the years, Mat has gotten a lot better at taking criticism. At first he wouldn't really do anything, but now he is able to talk about what happened in a really effective manner.
Not surprising, since he had done this for ten years (if I'm not wrong)
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@@GriffinZambia your trying to do a rickroll
Matpat after defending himself:
But hey, that's just a theory
I, for one, would totally watch MatPat do a 90 minute dissertation on bioavailability.
I would watch MatPat do a 90 minute dissertation on dissertations.
@@kylerivera3470 I agree with both, the passion he gives is *chefs kiss* 🤌🏻
i would watch a portion of the vid because im confused by dissertation.
I came to see if anyone else had said this yet, I knew in my heart that I couldn't be alone. I would watch that video 100%
SECONDED!! Proposed seconded, get it built!
I like how she throws in “technically” when saying he’s correct to make it seems like he’s not really right, even though he definitely is
It always blows my mind when creators will create long content to attack someone else when they could have just sent a DM with their concerns. Tem Theorist did a great job with this reply and you could really tell they were just thinking "why didn't you just reach out before we got here"
She needs content. Her channel has grown quite boring over the years and now she is constantly merching her cookbook.
She barely used his video, it was under 1 min and she used his video alongside other creators that made the same claim that Mattpat did
@@jeanismael1753it was three and a half minutes, but nice job outing yourself as one of her attack dogs.
In fairness, the same could be said on MatPat's end. He could have easily settled this by messaging the food channel about her content, rather than make a drama video.
@@pharogryph7235and she could have easily not throw shade at anybody
Ya know just saying 🤷
matpat really is saying “i will never mistake cabbage” while holding kale and “never mistake kale” while holding up cabbage. comedy genius.
it made me wheeze LOL
Was so funny 😂😂😂
When I saw that I was like oh, I see.
good job you explained the joke
Whoever said that Mat is a "shill for veganism" clearly didn't watch the video of him tossing steaks into a dryer and then excitedly tearing into them after being tumble-cooked.
Or turning eating cake made from ice creams from different day food restaurants.
Or getting excited because his wife prepared TWO 13-pound Thanksgiving turkeys one year
Or the one where he ate a bunch on burgers to confirm the best stack order
Bro I died laughing because I forgot about that video
Also like, why do people get so offended when confronted with facts that say that some aspects of a vegan diet have scientific backing?
I have to say that Mat Pat and the team deserve so much more credit than they get. It’s clear in any video how much research they do. It’s amazing that they handled the backlash from commenters and other creators like this! They made and apology video proving why they don’t have to be sorry and making everyone who said they didn’t do their research look dumb! Mat Pat and team are AMAZING! Keep it up!
i agree
I can tell how mad Matt Pat is but the fact that he's still smiling the entire time is hilarious lol
Moral of the story: just because one person is right doesn't always mean the other is wrong
Agreed!
Agreed!
you can say that again 😁
I agree but I think a better statement would be: “One mistake doesn’t make a person completely wrong”
@@CuriuMusic that's also true
Main point is, Mat's not the enemy, Anne's not the enemy, Brew's not the enemy. There's no sides except for what the communities make up.
troll commenters are the enemy. but in this case they led to an interesting video ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@djestouff Very true.
@@djestouff 💯 AGREE!
@@djestouff 💯 AGREE!
Sometimes there are no villains, and sometimes no heroes
I feel like people commenting those things haven’t watch good theory at all or only watched a few videos and don’t realize matpat is an educated man with a degree and entire team to HELP him research and get all the facts from reliable sources.
Yea the day you grow up and realize facts don't actually exist lol. It's a theory and all theories are subject to criticisms
@@Wake.Up.Fact exist idiot
“ It is precisely facts that do not exist only interpretations”
Exactly this. Most people who don't like matpat have literally never watched more than out of context clips of his videos, taken and warped specifically to make him look bad. It's absolutely wild.
I honestly would be interested in that 90 minutes dissertation on bioavailability. Amazing video
me too
-proved the hate comments wrong
-provides evidence and facts to why his video was correct
-explains everything calmly and confidently
-agrees with the other party, but still proves his point
-gives response that avoids starting drama
Now this is how a real professional youtuber responds
Yk they dont call him THE youtube businessman for nothing, he certaintly knows how to do things right
I don't know about that last one. MatPat is definitely trying to avoid drama, but we are talking about the internet. I'm sure someone will try to start some drama just because they can. Sadly, I don't saying something like healthy grass is green wouldn't start drama.
@@kayleescruggs6888 people will start drama about it but the way it was done nobody whos opinion actually matters in this area at least the area he exists in prominetly will actually catch on to it and he most likely wouldent be affected since anyone with reasoning would ignore most the drama, he had to deal with this drama because someone with reasoning did say something about his video being bad, which other people latched onto.. If theres nobody with reasoning disputeing it then it doesnt matter
@@Neoillia looks at Optimus
Not just that but they also keep it intresting to watch! what an outstanding team they are
This is such a great response. Respectful, but still standing your ground. "You're not wrong, but neither am I, this is a very complicated subject that we approached from two different, but equally sound perspectives."
@Autumndapple Exactly!
He was still wrong about the Kale lol.
It's especially correct, considering how experts are still not certain about the topic either.
@@KitsyX Yes, and he commented on what a silly mistake it was. But the main point still stands.
@@KitsyX don't eat kale then. Stop hating him. You are doing more wrong than his whole video on the topic
Jeez, just saw this after the quitting announcement and got scared for a second 😂
Glad to know I'm not the only one XD
Yes I genuinely jumped up when I saw it
Literally same lol
7:28 okay but that throw of the beans from Ash was personal 😂
The best response to internet critics: "We are _technically_ correct" followed by the Futurama clip. Oh, that feels so good. Never change, Theory Channel.
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Theory ChannelS*
But we are both correct, so no dramas, just insert a Futurama clip here 👍
Can't remember the quote, but I'll pass on the sentiment: Just because one argument is right, doesn't mean the other argument is wrong (both can be right, even if seemingly contradictory at first glance). I think Mat did a good job in showing that today. Tons of respect for both Mat, his team, and ofc Anne. The fact that the Food Theory team used potential mistakes and clear criticisms to teach even more about the subject is pretty fantastic and just plain smart.
Dont read my name!😑..
The weakest part of this video is when Mat says “so who was right?” Even if he correctly assesses that they were both right, it’s still reinforcing the “being right is what matters” idea.
@@zaxtonhong3958 So how do you thing he should have put it? IDK but providing a science piece should be about correctness/being right ( with the best information currently available)
I liked the outcome of this because it shows how the decision ultimately comes down to you and that you should probably do more research because wow food is complicated. Both did give examples of how to do it though, like Mat pointing out how that much kale can fit in a smoothie if you are down for that or Anne talking about calcium in non dairy milks.
@@zaxtonhong3958 I actually felt like that was meant to emphasize the opposite. He spent a lot of the time showing how both people are right and that it's complicated and then turned around and said "so whose right?" To emphasize just how unimportant that question is because clearly it is up to personal decision and research.
Love how Mat debunked the debunk
Can’t wait for Ann to debunk it back
@@sonicpoweryayShe didn't, she had no research and was very unprofessional
lol ann was right here, he is just playing with words
@@adarshminj2543 no, Ann was clearly misrepresenting serving sizes to seem right (using a massive plate of Kale when you could easily make a smoothie of it smaller than a glass of milk). Completely twisted the points made in the video("a kid wouldn't eat that much kale" when the point was adult alternatives because ADULTS often can't get calcium through milk as easily), and clearly threw some passive aggressive shade by hinting at plagiarism.
The idea that someone pointing out actual scientific approaches to this question, is somehow "playing with words" is disingenuous and just flat out wrong. You're just jumping on a hate train for the sake of hating matpat.
@@adarshminj2543 source: trust me bro
Anyone else notice he credited her in the video, but her who accused him of stealing someone else’s work didn’t credit anyone who’s content she reacted to 🤔
MatPat has the highest quality of hater blockers on
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if only he could have scambot blockers, but that's a youtube thing
@Akako 🔞👇 Shut, are you bot?
Yep that’s where all the points on the skill tree went
Mans got the Ray-Ban of hater blockers B)
mat: *sits on a couch*
everyone: *sweats*
but in all seriousness, i’m glad how you took the criticism. you talked about what happened in a really effective manner while not starting drama. thanks, mat. :)
Uhh he sat on a couch get it right/j
GT Live viewers: *grabs the snacks*
@@smittenpizza6991 MY BAD SJSJSJ
@@smittenpizza6991 They worded it right, it’s not wrong
@@gub2142 congrats you missed the joke
I FUCKING LOVE THIS everyone is so respectable no one is trying to say "i know better and you're stupid" that's just science one person says A another person trying to debunk it and the first person trying to prove why he's right 10/10 episode 👍
I can greatly respect the way you handled this. You wanted to defend your self but you didn't want to tear down the accusers. Good job handling this
The first UA-camr I’ve ever seen to defend himself in a non toxic, well researched and self criticizing manner. Well done MatPat and Team y’all are amazing
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@@MbitaChizi then don’t comment under my comment ;-;
If anything, she was more rude than he was
@@Ryan_2218 definitely yes!
cabbaga and kale are actually both varieties of Brassica oleracea. So in essence the same plant with pretty much the exact same amounts of nutrients 🙂
kale is part of the cabbage family so i guess the picture wasn't fully wrong....
I would stick around for a 90 minute video essay on bioavailability just because I enjoy listening to matpat talk.
I like his voice, the scripts, and the editing - and I like long edutainment vids...and Google actually knew the word "edutainment" yet constantly misspells everything else.
I will see you both there when the video drops
@@frostkitsunelive7661 ill join you all
I would too I think Matt would be an amazing teacher
Me too, extra points because it's an interesting topic
He makes an extremely valid point that talking about nutrition in general is extremely complicated and diverse. Its also important to note that this is "edu-tainment" its education mixed with education. Those things don't easily mix and MatPat and team do an incredible job of it 90% of the time.
education and education... heh. You have a good point, though! Matpat's videos are about many kinds of different(sometimes obscure) topics but have a charm to them that make them really easy to listen to. Matpat and his team is pretty darn good!
I also thing that education does not go with education
Education with education...something truly difficult indeed
oh. It's definitely diverse. hahahaha
Exactly, especially when human biology/anatomy is a whole other can of worms that is varied on so many aspects of how you're already built (through genetics and different hereditary or environmental defects to your body). Both nutrition and the human body are so complex that, once put together, is like trying to make a never ending science experiment with too many independent and independent variables to keep track for. I give MatPat credit for making all of the complexities he researches for days maybe even weeks, sound interesting, enjoyable to learn and digestible. I already have trouble focusing on stuff, but he makes it interesting in a way I many others are able to learn from it and enjoy it. Overall, I greatly dislike the fact that so many people were so quick to bash Food THeory along with other theory videos without taking a step back and thinking for a second. Perhaps looking in the description or doing their own research or- heck- even watching the rest of the video MatPat got "called out" on.
“This cabbage with is Cale “ *proceeds to show them in wrong positions.* that had me dead😂
What I’ve learned 12 minutes into the video: 1 serving does not equal 1 serving of the same exact thing.
You're underselling yourself, MatPat. I would definitely have the patience for a 90 minute dissertation on bio-availability.
Me too i can watch 90 minute long video if its from food theory channel.
We just wathed long hour vídeos about old Nickelodeon shows.
Clearly this is the next logical step.
SAME xD
i agree with this
Matt has had a few mistakes in his theories in the past, but all in all for the amount of content he puts out, with the amount of research, detail and organization. Few creators are as unbelievably impressive as what "The Theorists" have built across their channels. I feel like this general sentiment has lead to a lot of bad faith criticisms or assumptions about him, but Matt seems like a good guy, or in the least, someone who Is putting in effort to get things right. This video did a wonderful job basically conclusively responding to the insinuations around this particular video- but never does he even acknowledge the sort of snide cynicism from the original video. Just the points. Respects to Matt here. Respect where it is due.
The only point I can raise is Hazbeen Hotel
@Hiding in Public ^^
Me: A subnautica player:
Matpat: UTTERLY MISREPRESNTS THE GAME I PLAY
Me: Complains with everyone else in the comments section:
UA-cam: removes downvotes
So people don't think i'm just sucking up or voiding any valid criticism of him:
I made a video on my side channel debunking the complete BS that was in the Persona game theory - but frankly even most Persona fans don't know the lore (which you can see in most the responses to Matt's video that get just as much wrong as he did). Once again, not ignoring past faults, but if we put a whole team worth of blame on one guy, we gotta put a whole team worth of credit too.
It is called a THEORY. Theories don't have to be 100% right anyway, and they still make good content :)
I wish the date on this video said today.
fym
I’m not one to post hate comments, unless a video is offensive, and that’s because of how I hate the idea of hate. So just seeing hate comments anywhere is enough to make me sad, but when it’s directed to a channel I love and the COMMENTS have some misinformation in them, I get even more upset. You did a good job dealing with this Food Theory!
I like how people say Matpat and the team don't do research when they literally have their sources right there in the description
People of the Internet are illiterates.
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@DON'T WATCH MY VIDEOS mate bugger off with your spam
more people need to list sources
@@aidenpearce5275 if I come across something on the internet without sources listed I simply disregard it, more people need to do that.
@@WhoPlaysTheFool yeah, there's also the people who ignore 20 sources telling them their wrong and points to one singular one that agrees
As a researcher who often has to defend my own claims, I love how you defend yourself without saying she is wrong. Way to take the high road. Mad respect
Well said!
youtub really trolling me
Seriously 😂 got my hopes up for a sec.
bruh same
"I'll never again make the mistake of confusing this cabage, to this cale. But hey that's just a thoery. A FOOD THOEARY, bon apedi, cale to the camera." That last part were he intentionaly switched both, is just hilarious to me. 😂👍
as someone whos diabetic, i got like really upset when she was talking about serving sizes. they're never consistent, they're misleading, and the amount of servings per container is annoying. and i should know, since i have to look at the nutrition labels every day.
A diabetic that reads 5-10 food labels a day knows better then a person that dedicated their entire life to researching food.
@@nebojsajovic2177 bro theres no way youre saying this guy is wrong. servings sizes are different. the entire point of a serving size is how much the vendor thinks the person will eat. did you not listen at all? i could say a single kayle leaf is a serving size for me, while 17 gallons of milk are also a single serving size for me.
Puro 🤯
@@nebojsajovic2177 A "serving size" is as small as companies can make it so that they can say their product has a lot of them. No food scientist is going to tell you that you cant eat more than 1 cup of ravioli for dinner.
@@nebojsajovic2177 because for one it's information that's important to their survival and for the other it's just one more metric she needs to know about in her professional life.
“They didn’t do their research” They literally released 2 episodes on Game Theory that shows the process Team Theorist uses to make videos, including doing research for any particular episode. There was also the 2-part regarding copyright infringement that mentions how even with all the people who look through the contents of an episode that things occasionally slip through the cracks. The fact that MatPat had to even MAKE this episode shows how little research OTHERS do, how much they focus on one piece of a larger picture. As he said, this episode is ultimately defending 20 seconds of what was probably 20ish minute video that PRIMARILY focused on the ADVERTISING of milk. I actually just rewatched the Food Theory on the KFC name change conspiracy, which ALSO shows how people would rather react to a headline rather than doing the research themselves
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This is why i usually dont care about people making call out videos about him
@@GriffinZambia bro shut up its not the place for that
The fact they had to release even a single video about the research they do shows how blind some people are. It's obvious in pretty much every video that they all do their research.
You don't even need to look at UA-cam to know this. Just seeing how the mainstream media works, and it's clear that people are so used to relying on others to do the research for them and having that information packaged with a spicy label (See: pretty much everything from the sinking of the Maine to Russiagate) that not only are reactionary videos expected but will automatically be popular.
✨ the toxic gossip train✨
✨travelling down the tracks of✨ ✨misinformation✨
I love that not only is MatPat smart and well researched, but he can also PROVE he is smart and well researched.
he has a team tho and a good one at that
@@killnet5638 begone bot!
True!!!
@@killnet5638 no one asked
This was really well said 👌
Serving sizes is essentially gerrymandering for food. Maybe you should do a whole video on serving sizes and who makes them up and what regulates them.
Literally this is the best possible comparison. Kudos.
Yes, an episode on this would be great. I for one can't figure out what constitutes a serving, (not that I care, I just eat until I am satisfied).
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@@GriffinZambia 🤓
@@antiloser-NFS technecally all of the servings of food eat *should* fit in the palm of your hand. At least that's what I heard from my medical teacher (and honestly, it's probably just my American brain, but that felt like too little..)
I just realized why this video seemed familiar it was 1 year ago, not 1 hour ago.
Whoever said matpat doesn't do his research is crazy. I watched one of his videos one and all his evidence was so impressive it literally scared me lol.
I appreciate how professional Mat was in his response to criticism, and how he didn't make Anne seem bad or wrong, but rather explained that the measuring systems were causing confusion in interpretation.
(Plus with this editing style, I would definitely watch a 90 minute video on bioavailability, and am genuinely curious now)
Yes, but her measuring system is just moronic. Serving size to serving size comparisons are one of the dumbest things you can ever do, because as this video shows, you can call just about anything a serving size.
That inconsistency results in comparisons that actually end up giving no useful information, and often times tend more towards misinformation. Again, as this video shows, milk has more calories than coke, but simply because milk claims a smaller serving size, this truth is distorted. Is it misinformation? Not exactly, since the nutrition per serving size is correct. But is this done in a way to trick people into thinking that this product has less calories than it does? Yes, absolutely.
The know people don't pay that much attention generally to calculate the true calories in everything they pick up, so they try to put a low serving size so they can have lower calories printed on the label. Look at most snacks and drinks. A small bag, which realistically one person will consume, is often shared up into multiple servings for the reason above.
This is why "serving size" is a garbage metric to conpare by. Mat knows it but is too kind to call her out on it, and she knows it but is trying to twist things to fit her stance.
@@envytee9659 please post this as an individual comment lol, I'd hate if people miss it just bcs it's a reply
@@envytee9659 Honestly the worst part is how she took a single line of incorrect information out of a whole page of correct information and used that as a jumping off point for criticism. That’s deliberate misrepresentation since they seem to outright avoid mentioning the other information and arguably worse than the claim of plagiarism she made at the start of her video. Honestly, i’m just glad ATLEAST she ensured the information was *Technically correct*, because everything else was… just ugh.
Yes please, I supposedly have trouble absorbing nutrients but no clear cause has been found, if it's how I'm preparing or pairing things i could really use a team of researchers figuring it out.
same, it's hard not to enjoy what Matt and his team create
I like how you tell that he’s furious, but he’s still extremely respectful. That shows significant character. Well done, MatPat, well done.
yeah, but the way he manipulates the data and the situation. what kind of person would do something like that? I would never want to be on his bad side.
lol not really. The bar for men is so low. If Ann had put out the same energy that he did in this video, I'd bet she'd get ripped apart for being bitchy and rude. But meanwhile, MatPat is super condescending and rolls his eyes in response to her. If that's signs for significant character, then that's kinda yikes dude.
@@sabrinagessert2742 the thing is - he had to really go out of his way to manipulate the data to show that he was "right". I wonder if that was just his ego or if it had anything to do with him being corrected by a woman. I guess we'll never know.
@@blanktom6049 "Manipulating data" is an interesting way to see it, since he isn't trying to persuade anybody to take a side. He clearly boils the video down to saying that he doesn't think anybody's really in the wrong.
And I don't feel like this should have to be defended, but he's not manipulating data, he is bringing up another perspective, like Ann did, to show that nutrition in and of itself has many other factors than just what is stated on the nutritional label of a product.
@@paulj4955 This will probably be deleted as i've tried posting this several times and each time it gets removed. But here's my take on one example of how he is manipulating the information (re broccoli):
1) In his video he compares a serving size of broccoli to a serving size of milk, even though earlier in the video he says his team didn't compare by serving size, they compared gram to gram
2) The source he uses has 1 cup of broccoli as 180 mg of Calcium even though every other source you encounter has 1 cup of broccoli well under 100mg.
3) All other sources include both volume (cups) and weight (grams). He made a point that his team doesn't use serving size due to it's variability so they used grams. Why didn't he use grams for broccoli if it's so readily available?
The answer is that every other source that is out there would show that you would absorb far more calcium by milk (gram per gram or serving by serving) except for the one dubious source he pulled, which coincidently goes against the methodology he stated earlier in this video.
I feel like people forgot that their just theories. A theory is something you have evidence for but isn’t confirmed canon/true
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As someone who's been eating kale for a really long time, the other thing to note about that huge bowl is that kale is one of those greens that cooks down a LOT. You throw it in a pan, start sautéing it, and it shrinks down to the point where you can't imagine that it came from a huge bowl in the first place.
Yesssssss
EXACTLY. I absolutely adore kale and my mom cooks with it and every single time I eat her food I ask her why she didn't put more kale. Well, she put a lot, it just shrunk!
As a fellow vegetable sauté-er that’s still a lot of kale for one meal. Maybe like 4-5 meal
i use spinach in my stir fry. one whole bag of spinach cooks down to about 3 forks worth of spinach when cooked.
Not gonna lie when I saw Anne and MatPat had seemingly contradictory videos I momentarily panicked because I trust the quality of both their research and feel confident in saying neither of them would intentionally spread misinformation. So I’m glad MatPat made this video because its a reminder that science is often more complex than can be reasonably condensed within a UA-cam video.
Dont read My Name😑.
Good on you MatPat! :D
Exact same response. I appreciate how he handled the it.
Ignoring the fact that she tried to taint his reputation at the start of her video.
same here
This came out on my suggested videos, and those comments....sound like they didn't watch the whole original video. People just love to hate on people when their idol says someone is wrong 🙊
Those people already hated matpat and were just waiting for an opportunity
@@alexoxo1 lol that makes sense....and it also seems sad.
Mat Pat is so unhinged when he's mad and I love him so much for it
His response is so fucking professional !!!! Like no arguing, no offending, just respecting and explaining.
I know, im very impressed and i genuinely want to learn that from him and the team. Dk where to start tho
@@elle7503 Just click a video that interests you, they separated the channels into their genres, so just pick video games, films, food, or style. Whatever you want.
He is very professional. Ann is not professional at all and she did zero research when making comments about food theory. Anns use of serving size comparison proves no one should listen to her.
@@charlieblank3393 I know lol ive been watching for years. I meant i want to learn how to keep your cool and rational side when arguing, and not stoop to their level even when they get disrespectful. I find that very admirable cs even the most calm person won't take it this professionally when being confronted directly.
@@Patrick1985McMahon She has the background information and makes decently logical conclusions on baseline information, however, she didn't do the follow-up research and attempt to even get in contact to find any background information on it which is absolutely abhorrent for someone claiming to be using factual, proven information such as her, You need to do your research.
He took the negative feedback and fired back like a champ. That was awesome to see. And with the added joke at the end? Golden. Bravo mat, you've won the day. Oh- and you were totally right to measure by the gram rather then the serving size. Otherwise a serving size of coke is more caloric than a serving size of coke (bottle > can, but you can see how confusing that is)
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kinda was thinking threw the whole video they some how falled behind
Heck yeah!
Your last sentence is absolutely correct. I'm a food technology major and we NEVER use serving sizes for nutritional informations. It's way too inconsistent.
The fact a so called "food expert" seriously says we should do exact comparison's between food by serving size is laughable.
Either this person isn't nearly the expert she claims to be or she just wanted to take shots at Matpat and used that to make him seem wrong.
Best youtuber response back to a controversy!❤ Keep up the amazing work Mat and also thank you Brew for being nice in the comments! ❤❤❤
I do believe both channels have researched. He got a good point that in food science, it will be tricky. I read once that the vegetables and fruits we have now aren’t as nutritious before so whatever data these books contain may change in the future, if that is true.
I love Anne's channel, but also notice she said "if you put this much kale in front of a child"- and it's a moot point because they both specifically said that a CHILD benefits from drinking milk, whereas ADULTS generally do not.
I had that exact same thought when seeing that clip. I see the subject framed in what to do as an adult to get that calcium if you can’t adequately process milk. So it kind of makes it a moot point in saying good luck getting the kid to eat something they are not really the target demographic for. (In this narrow context)
I was going to point that out too, good catch!
Because only 1/3 people can drink milk as an adult
But the majority of that third are 1st world countries.
So it it is a viable argument
But this much kale in front of anyone then... Same result
Happy Edward Elrick noises.
I love how he is addressing this while standing his ground and not pushing her down. It is very respectable I could learn alot from him
Well, he was acknowledging that they're both technically correct; they're just looking at a very complex issue through slightly different metrics.
The bigger issue is the trolling that forced the issue, with people bagging on Matpat and claiming he's a misinformation spreader. Food Theory is a broadly popular channel and that attracts assholes looking to cause trouble with a little pot-stirring.
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I’m honestly surprised that people managed to spread it out that far though. Clearly, her video simply states that they simply measured things differently, and the only *slight* argument you can make towards Mat and the team “spreading misinformation” would be the broccoli section.
I’ve always none that there are some people who will do anything and everything to say that Mat “constantly gets facts wrong” and whatever, but I feel like folks just took things too far here
Truthua-cam.com/video/FSSFgWlDbJU/v-deo.html.
@@OddlyIncredible yeah man its kind of annoying tbh there are always idiots trying to ruin the fun or good things others have just for likes of they want to troll
Agreed I would honestly be so sour and would not deal with it well at all I would more than likely either bark back or ignore it entirely instead of confronting her head on
I used to watch your videos like a few years ago, and I am interested in your style, game, and food theory. Film theory I don't want the movies I watched to be ruined so I now only watch the other three. You are doing so good.
It's been one and a half year but I can really feel him suppressing his anger and holding back from snapping...
Funny how people forget the main thing “it’s just a theory” the phrase these channels are based on. It’s just a theory with facts behind it, either mostly correct or wrong.
@DON'T WATCH MY VIDEOS shut your mouth bot.
As someone who watches food and game theory (not that i dont like film theory i just dont watch movies as often) ive seen alot of people hating on the channel ever since the twitch video he did and at this point it just feels like a meme to hate on mattpatt
The word 'Theory' holds more weight in scientific circles than most other people's 'facts'. In other words, for some there is no 'just' when talking about theory.
"Theory" means something different in the vernacular than it does in scientific jargon. In the vernacular, or layman's terms, it means a guess, claim, or supposition that may or may not be provable. In science, it means a claim, hypothesis, or question that has been tested to the point of being confirmed as fact. Saying "it's just a hypothesis" doesn't have the same ring to it, though.
@@jneff6456 makes sense why people get angry, but it’s all in the fun and not to make anything serious
I like how he's not trying to disprove Ann's video but rather explain the research and show how they're both correct.
They're both Technically Correct ©®™. The best type of correct!
It's a lot easier nowadays for people to post content on different facts without actually doing the research this leads to misinformation and fake news. And this is a very serious issue and I'm glad Matpat was able to address this that I know most people would simply ignore and call it haters being haters.
I love watching this video watching matpat using technicalities and debunking accusations has something so hypnotic about it
I think a lot of people actually forget that Matt Pat isn't some random guy on UA-cam with zero education. He actually did get an education and is very knowledgeable and knows enough to do his homework and research well. Not to forget there's also team theorist which is comprised of other individuals to help back him up with making sure information is correct.
Tru Dat
Yes
former hs valedictorian
He's a smart and knowledgeable guy with a lot of competent and dedicated people, they're all huge dorks pretty much. People be expecting a lot from 'em and people be weird about the team and creator because they're relatively big and popular, it ain't surprising but what can ya do?
Tru bro
Despite him being visibly mad, he really took his arguments calmly and gave a 20 minute reason as to why the internet should shut up instead of bringing unwanted drama, well done matpat, well done.
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Dont read my name!😑..
Sometimes, and hear me out here - sometimes the internet has the right to criticize and point out when someone’s done something off. Crazy, I know.
@@localmenace3043 did you even watch the video bro?
@@localmenace3043 so what was off?
you can tell this had mat shook, but this man came on here and OWNED them
I think it's good to bring a different point of view like Ann Reardon did- and its also great that because of that, i found this channel which i have been bingeing and yesterday I used a video as educational material in my work. So i think its a win-win-win-win. It also low key gives me flash backs to when you had to sit through a disputation.
This is the maturity of science I love to see on the channel. Not one person saying, "No, you're wrong, I'm right, shut up." But both people proposing theories, and increasing knowledge instead of trying to claim a "win" on the internet. Props to both of you, honestly
@DON'T WATCH MY VIDEOS ok i wont
did you forget that she started the commentary by throwing immense shade at mattpatt by implying he steals content and thumbnails? because to me it feels like one side is being overly aggressive when discussing a gray area which is supposed to be their expertise, while the other is a hobby guy bringing forth a slew of evidence and reasoning while being courteous and more informative
@@ThaGr1m I did forget, my bad
@@ThaGr1m You got a point there. She was already in passive-aggressive mode when she started off with "he steals thumbnails and contents", giving her audience an unfair bad impression from the beginning. I guess she was trying to play the role of a "judge of youtube justice, who gives punishment to the criminal youtuber, Mat!!!" rather than calmly debunking the error or their difference in their stance. Kind of an unprofessional move.
can you dumb this down my brain is running on a delay
I appreciate how maturely Mat handled this. Clearly he was a bit upset about it, but he does have every right to be. It’s disheartening when you put a lot of effort into something you spend months on and someone rips into it over one small issue. Instead of being immature and attacking Ann, he addresses her issues and clarifies them, even specifying his resources for us to look into them.
The Brew channel is really fun, nice to listen to and their animations are pretty funny. I jumped over to watch their video. Both videos come to basically the same conclusion through different evidence, though are a bit similar, but that is going to be the case when two people tackle researching the same topic. It’s like a teacher calling plagiarism on a kid who did the same topic as a kid the year before despite the two papers aren’t copy and paste. (Also that thumbnail Brew has used in total 4 times on their own channel but is a simple idea to come up with, if you came up with something, high likelyhood someone else has had the same idea at some point)
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@@SilverDusk1 I just try to make sure to report them as spam as soon as I see them.
Since this is a top comment there a great chance matpat might see this so brew channel isn’t actually a like team channel it’s owned by a company idk what their name but there is like 5 other channel like it I have seen I video exploring this topic in depth but I don’t remember where
@@SilverDusk1 jts actually not a bot it was a person and ot was actually really good advertising for a cool thing, follow the trail guys
If its not a link tht links outside of youtube i dont see the harm in curiousity
Edit: it was more like an arg easter egg hunt ^-^ e eryone in the comments at the end tht followed it was happy and pleasantly surprised
@@aidenflame1576 It's still lots of spam.
When you can defend without being defensive and educate your viewers at the same time, you are producing quality communication and content. Well done.
And BTW when you were ralking about bioavailability my brain wanted more so please move forward with that series. 🙂
Props to Mat for keeping his cool. Good job, dude. Way to keep it professional.
Something that bugged me in the Ann video extract is when she said that you'll be having a hard time making a child eat so much kale.
Children doesn't NEED to eat so much kale for calcium, since they can digest milk properly.
Exactly, she's a Karen who wants to speak to the manager.
yeah it's the adults the kale are for,m specifically lactose intolerant regions or regions where the milk is expensive...
like he explains
in the 20 seconds right after the clip she criticizes
@@ghetoknight7801 The problem is that she wasn't doing a debunking, rebuttal, or response to his video, so his focus on adults in _his_ video wasn't relevant to _her_ video. It was an aggregation of assertions from various videos about whether or not milk is good for you, including a brief clip from MatPat's, that she used as a jumping off point to discuss what's being said about the topic in other videos, what's misinformation, and what are some other things to consider.
Additionally, lactose intolerance isn't the only reason why a parent might be hoping there are adequate substitutes for the milk a child needs. That's part of the reason Ann focused on servings. If you're, say, a parent who cut out gluten when being gluten-free was popular, or you're a vegan, Ann's video shows that if you decide not to give your child milk, you can't just make them eat a serving of kale and call it even. You're going to have to figure out how to get them to consume that sort of volume of something like kale _multiple times a day._ (As one example.)
here is dr. mc. dumb dumb
Yeah that point stuck out to me too.
In general I don’t have any preferences towards either creator, but it also really doesn’t make sense to compare serving sizes to me. I, a veggie loving adult, cook down large amounts of kale for a single serving fairy regularly. Someone who likes veggies less probably eats smaller portions… also neither video talks about this. But I don’t think anyone gets all their daily vitamins through a single serving of any one food….you have to eat a balanced diet throughout the day
All said, I have no intention of removing dairy from my diet lol.
I love how people target inaccurate info in GT and FT as a reason to deem these channels are bad. Theorizing is like 90% guesstimation anyway. And for this episode in particular its hilarious to see how much cherry picking was done to make Mat look bad
Yeah, that’s true. Not being able to guess the plot of a movie that hasn’t come out is different than being wrong about the results of a specific study.
I know, right? It’s like the judge asking Rhodes to read a specific sentence about the Ironman suit!
Love the fact that when he said "I will never again make a mistake about this canbage and this kale" bruh its literally switch what do you mean and I do believe that Mr. Matpat is a very intelligent knowledgeable genius smart person and does his research well with his team some people just dont see that but i can tell that you put a lot of effort on your research
1:19 turning a complain into a compliment. (Nice)
These theories have been the highlight of my week for over 7 years now. I understand that sometimes there are a few things that aren’t completely accurate but I learned so much from these four channels. These are always super fun, high equality, and educational. I will never understand why people hate on MatPat so much but I absolutely love him and his theories
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@@MbitaChizi Either it's a rickroll or an ARG.
its called a theory after all not facts
4 channels
i love the "ah yes the subtle suggestion of plagiarism" you can tell he's pissed, as he should be, but he manages to keep his cool, showing his profesionalism
Also you see in the OG video the thumbnail comes from a literal commercial!
(We see a clip/gif, you can tell its a remade frame from the logo on the milk in both versions)
Are we watching the same video? His tone throughout the whole video sounds so pissy and offended to me. Nothing like his usual enthusiasm.
@@Broeckchennow that you mention it, I can kinda hear it? But that's pretty much a given since he's literally being accused left and right of things he most definitely is not. He's still human, after all.
@@aquila7602 I'd like to recommend to you "Emily Ruins Adam Ruins Everything" for comparison. Same basic premise - edutainment show being challenged on their information. But I'd like you to look at the incredible difference in tone.
If you provide content you frame as "science", you're quickly held to a pretty high standard. It's especially important in food science, because that's an area especially riddled with mis- and disinformation. Someone who loves to spread information should be able to put their ego aside enough to not bristle at every challenge and "attack", but instead reevaluate their approach and research.
I mean, consider what happened here. A food *scientist,* an expert in the field, held up a clip of misleading information as one of many examples of similar sentiments and added some context to it. Matpat *could* have ignored the rude comments and go to the more levelheaded scientist directly, developing a better piece of information collaboratively. Mat mentions, for example, the issues of comparing food on a nutritional level. A food scientist is the perfect person to consult on this and develop a good measuring or comparison system with.
It could have been an amazing collaboration. Ann is often open to comparing approaches and developing experiments together, she has approached other creators about this before when they challenged *her* information. So why did Mat instead focus on the rude comments and on how he was totally actually correct?
In the video I recommended above, Adam is at one point confronted with a similar issue where the information he provided was correct, but the way he presented it gave people the wrong impression. His response about that? Admitting that if he wants to educate, being correct is not is only duty. He also needs to communicate the correct information well and understandably.
I totally get being angry. But like... if you love truth, information and science, and if you love educating people, you should be able to vent off-camera and approach your script and performance without that emotional bias. At least enough to focus on "did I do this right?" over "am I technically correct?".
@Broeckchen That is fair but it has to go both ways and Ann Did say some things that look a little accusatory especially for what was considered wrong/misleading
Bro fr went "do YOUR OWN research before you call OURS out"
I love all the theory channels. Even when the topic isn't something that particularly interests me, I always watch anyway because the entire team does everything to make the topic entertaining and informative. So even the video topics I'm not excited for usually either give me some info or a laugh. I can't support these teams in a monetary way so the least I can do is watch the videos then leave a like and a comment so they get all the algorithm love I can give.
I really like how well he took the criticism. He addressed all the points, admitted where he was wrong, and didn't attack the other side.
Her fans could definitely learn from his Maturity, I'm sure they left their rage filled comments without even watching that video.
Unlike the other side.
@DON'T WATCH MY VIDEOS Listen to his name. He is a scammer trying to get you to buy fake items. You will never get your product and will lose your money.
@DON'T WATCH MY VIDEOS just delete your channel dude if you dont want your video getting view and dont even spam this kind of comment it never help
agreed. if it was me i would just curl up and cry for 2 hours.
It's not like I go into a Food Theory video, and being like "ohh, because Food Theory says it, I'm never drinking milk again because of how terrible it is for the body," I watch Food Theory's videos to see the interesting reasons why a product so good for you (such as spinach or milk) could be considered bad for you if looked about in a certain point of view. Of course I am still drinking milk daily and never even think about changing that. These critics are taking it to seriously.
Absolutely. I doubt the majority, or even a minority of people look to the theorists for medical and dietary advice. Anybody here actually try to eat their Christmas Tree?
Yeah- and also, Mat never said milk was TERRIBLE for you, just that other things might be healthier for you if you are just drinking milk for the nutrition. Obviously if you just like milk, there's not much harm in drinking it.
@@Mehwhatevr ❤
I did,
But not because of matpat.
Tried to eat in in 2009 because i was a child.
@@Mehwhatevr No.. I would never
*Quietly shoves stack of pine needles under the rug*
i dont like milk just in general, but I love watching his video they are mostly just to watch for entertainment.
We’re gonna miss you mat we’re excited for the next host
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Hosts* well all miss him
@@_S.h.a.r.k_ I was referring to the host of this channel
I love that MatPat is not trying to fight, he is just trying to make a point also defending the other person.
At 8:45 when they were talking about how a huge pile of kale seemed like an outrageous amount of kale to be more than a single glass of milk, and then MatPat held up a glass of puréed kale, I think that was a really good concrete example of how with food nutrition and stuff it REALLY depends on how you look at it. Because that big bowl of raw whole kale was just about a glass of purée, and this wasn’t mentioned but if you cook kale it’s also gonna appear smaller and maybe would be closer to a single serving than in its raw form (I’m not saying it is, idk, just trying to give another example)
It absolutely shrinks down as you suggested! ~200g of kale is a totally normal serving size, in some recipes you need even more per person. But you loose a bit of calcium in the cooking process of course.
I don't even eat kale and I knew it did that. Most leafy vegetables act the same way.
@@MercuryA2000 and spinach shrinks down even more. You can cook a whole bag of baby spinach down to basically just a few bites of food :P.
the cup of milk would look similar if it had that much air in it too
lol I’m pretty sure everyone who has ever cooked kale knows it shrinks a LOT and i would also assume that someone isn’t eating just kale for a meal so as long as you mix and match what you eat its very hard to not get the nutrients you need now a days its when you eat the same things over and over where problems come in and as someone else pointed out his video was focusing on adults while hers was focusing on children😂
I like how she says that kids aren't going to want to eat that much kale like we haven't already established that they can drink milk and we're looking for alternatives for adults who can't.
EXACTLY
That annoyed me as well - it was basically a straw man fallacy and pissed me off😅 but Mat was able to handle it all completely professionally - still wish Mat had re-pointed that out, that this was specifically for adults looking at science/nutrition for themselves, but i know he didn’t have to restate himself
Her video wasn’t a rebuttal to this video. It was a video about milk that focused on kids, and looked at misleading claims in his video that COULD HAVE BEEN applied to a child’s diet. She included many videos that she was responding to.
@@Kingskid-ci8tf It would be a straw man if she was trying to rebut his whole video, which she was not
@@WiggyWamWam The thing is, you can't apply an adult's intake for calcium to a child. That is what MatPat is talking about- different ways to get calcium, as adults can't handle milk as easy as children.
You straight up can't compare the two.
This isn't even considering that if you're lactose intolerant, Mat is definitely right and milk is a no-no for getting calcium.
i feel like your right matpat about what to messure with cause most of the time the smallest measurment is the most accurate