Hobbit. Żona Thranduila/Thranduil's Wife (B5A Extended Edition/Behind the Scenes)
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- Materiał specjalny o Thranduilu i jego żonie (matce Legolasa) z rozszerzonej edycji Hobbita - Bitwy Pięciu Armii. Część 4. A w nim ciekawie omówiony wątek klejnotów jego żony, wycięte z filmu sceny, mosty łączące Hobbita z Władcą Pierścieni i wiele innych ciekawostek z filmowego planu. Część 4 i ostatnia. Odcinki 1-3 znajdziecie na moim kanale.
Thranduil's Wife from The Hobbit The Battle of the Five Armies Extended Edition Extras. Part 4. Previous parts you will find on my YT channel.
Lee Pace's best acting parts were removed. His breaking voice when he mentioned the gems. The heartbreaking look when Gandalf's advice struck something in him. All the scenes that gave the movie more emotion. Cut. Omg.
Apparently the studio executives took control of the editing of Battle of Five Armies and they deliberately removed Thranduil's scenes because they wanted more emphasis on Thorin, the discount Aragorn.
I don't know about other but these movies made me sick of Thorin and dwarves in general. Extremely ubiquitous and annoying.
Tia Aaron I agree with you. I disliked Thorin long before they reached Mirkwood. His character in the book isn’t any more endearing than in the movie. Thranduil was an interesting character with depth.
@@deborahmerkerson1145 At least in the book, Thorin is not constantly glorfied and the narrative is not ignorant of his mistakes unlike in these movies which constantly glorify and focus on him.
Also in the book, Thorin died like a hero redeemed himself and earned the forgiveness of Men and Elves. In the movies, he remained an asshole till the end. His death was so dumb.
i think this was a great writing mistake for the movie, there was plenty of opportunities to show the redemption and even more of a duality. it seemed it was ignored
@@tiaaaron3278 what the fresh hell! Those studio executives don't know what the hell their doing.
They really needed these scenes. It really explained why Thranduil was so desperate to get the gems, and it wasn't out of greed or because they were heirlooms of his people. It's one of the only things he considered that his wife had left him when she died(with her body most likely left behind in Gundabad.)
I was so upset that they barely put Lord Thranduil in action in the movie; he was the one that I was excited to see. He is suppose to be this bad-ass Elvenking warrior who is an excellent swordsman and a successful leader, and they showed him fighting for like 15 seconds. Instead we got an overload of Legolas fighting, which we didn't need because we saw him in action in "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy. If they make a film based on Lord Thranduil, I would gladly go see it. Lee Pace did an excellent job of playing him.
+FunkyFresh Diva Yes. Thranduil is so potential charakter that he would deserved own movie.
+FunkyFresh Diva
Tauriel got even more air time than Legolas though and I'm pissed off about that because she doesn't even exist in Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit. And it seemed like the films were more about her than Thranduil
+Elaine264 I absolutely agree. 👌
+6703445 You are absolutely correct about Tauriel. Her whole story line seemed forced and unnecessary. At least with Arwen it made sense to give her more of a story line than she had in the book since she would become the wife of Aragorn and she was also the daughter of Lord Elrond, but with Tauriel, there was absolutely no reason for her to be in the movie whatsoever!
+FunkyFresh Diva
Unfortunately, if they did a movie about Thranduil, it would be 100% asspull. It wouldn't be a cannon Tolkien story, and it would seem like a cheap spin-off.
Think "Scorpion King" in relation to "The Mummy".
Thranduil is my favorite kind of character, the one that has closed themselves off, but still have heart enough to realize their own mistakes, and correct them. He seems cold and alone, but hidden is a love so profound, that no mortal could understand.
And I'm crying now...
I just realized that the feud between elves, dwarves, and men, was resolved in Legolas, Gimli, and Aragorn. There had been war between the races for years and their friendship ushered in the era of peace.
It was NOT Thranduil, but Haldir (Marchwarden of Lórien). Thranduil never died.
It's not fair that he's so underrated bcuz of the whole cutting! He's such a strong and profound character
Queen of Gotham yup so badass and beautiful too..
Oh, trust me, he is NOT underrated! He's the most outstanding character.
I hope one day they'll restore all Thranduil scenes, there's whole story in there which gets lost in editing all of the action scenes
+Alucard BloodyVampire Agreed. Without Thranduil's backstory, Legolas is not as interesting to watch.
Saint Hangman
Legolas is still just as interesting on his own but it adds something to Thranduil.
I hope there is an Unicorn Edition. Yes there is an rumor in this link: www.theonering.net/torwp/2016/08/23/101644-exclusive-peter-jackson-not-involved-in-this-release/
Battle of the Armies #releasethejacksoncut
i don’t think he was a character beginning to soften, i think he was soft all along but he had a wall up because of the death of his wife
Thranduil deserves to get his own show.
I hope they go back in time to the marriage of Thranduil and birth of Legalos, Orlandos son could play him at his tiny age...Lee said he would love to do more with Thranduil!
Looking forward to seeing that!😍😍
Thranduil can appear in that Amazon show. Or better yet, he can get his own show.
I want to know more about Thranduil and his wife. It’s obvious that there was an interesting and beautiful story between them. The feels...
Thranduil is a complete and utter bad ass. Peter did a good job casting the role.
Oooooh wow now that makes total.sense, I'm totally geeking out about this now. that's actually the most romantic thing ever. going to war over diamonds that were fashioned for his wife. that's love right there
Going from cold and aloof to more opened and changed. Loved it. I at first wasn't a fan of him but at the end of BOFA I was. He's an amazing character. :)
The most frustrating thing about these movies is that hidden beneath all the terrible CGI and awful action sequences is a few decent films. These deleted character development scenes illustrate that perfectly.
3:52 Legolas is so beautiful in that scene...ahhh...
There actually are informations about Thranduil's wife/ Legolas' mother. She was one of the Noldor and lost her life fighting the dragon from the north in Angmar. It's also in the line when Thranduil when he speaks to Thorin. It's all in unfinished tales written by J.R.R.Tolkien.
+ Irena Mal noldor?
Valeria menendez villota Noldor elves are greatest of the Elves in lore and smithcraft Noldor elves are the second clan of Elves , first are Vanyar.
+Irena Holc I've read Unfinished Tales and I don't remember any of that. Pretty sure that was Peter Jackson and company's invented backstory for her. The books don't have any info about Thranduil's wife. I think it's more likely that she was one of the Sindar, the clan Thranduil and Legolas belonged to. But nothing is confirmed in the stories.
Then apparently you haven't read all of them. Unfinished tales and pieces are very difficult to find for most people. Well, if her mother was Mirwen, who was in Rivendell and was Noldor, then no. However, there is nothing about her father so who knows. But being a great smithsman, would mean he was Noldor not Vanyar.
Irena Holc I've definitely read Unfinished Tales and it wasn't in there. I haven't finished the History of Middle-earth series yet so maybe it's mentioned in there somewhere.
I don't like to usually look at these behind the scenes vids but I began this thinking it was one of the scenes, only to find out it wasn't. But I'm glad to have some of this explained about Thrandul and Legolas. It was a surprise to find out whose son he is. :) Of course, I've realizes elves don't age! lol I thought they might be cousins. Brilliantly written with so much heart. Thank you kind Lady for sharing this with us. I haven't seen these movies yet. . or movie but I guess I need to rent them or something. lol I keep wondering what Tolkien would have thought. If you sat him down and showed him Mr. Peter's work, I think he'd be shocked!! No, he'd be stunned. Many times over that these kind of works of art became to be possible and done with such care. I think he'd love Mr. Peter!! :) Songs
WHAT THE FUCK??!! They should've added them anyway! I HAD NO knowledge of why he wanted the diamonds and his motive, and how he softens up so easily, and guess what??!! It's BECAUSE of a backstory WE never got to see! A backstory that would've changed so much about the movie, and added something, a piece that was missing, and now, we're left with this bland character who had a life behind a thoughtless, hunched, sorrowful, facade.
TrEZaaKamE Exactly.
I'm sorry, I love these films but this clip show the problem with them. Instead of giving Thranduil those extra (Brilliant) scenes with Gandalf (Telling him about his wife) that make perfect sense and flesh out the character a bit.
They go for a LOTR tie-in that feels out of place.
+hunsler1006 It also shows that they still have some trust in their relationship and I like that part of it. But yeah it was forced.
+hunsler1006 Oh god. Seriously, the movie had enough in it that wasn't canon. There was no need to add in another fake story for cheap feels.
RiotOf TheWolves
The non-cannon stuff really didn't bother me, as long as it was good and made sense (like this scene)
What did bother me was the forced love story and the out of place LOTR tie ins like Thranduil mentioning Aragorn to Legolas.
hunsler1006
The tie in with Aragorn was great.
@@theprancingpony6075 except Aragorn was 10 at this time
lol why would they cut this important scene which gandalf says to thranduil that his wife left him a son.
it should've been in the original edition.
Gosh, they've been crueler than some fanfiction writers out there, if you know what I mean.
Those Kiwis know how to tell a good story...beyond mere spectacle.
My hair isn't that nice. I'm so jealous. Lee Pace is so hot.
Will we ever get a movie with Thranduil?I know it's late but I know I'm not the only one who would love this and for Lee Pace to resume the role
why they cut some of this scene lol? now it all make sense after i saw it 😂
There are so many small scenes like this that should've been in the movie.
God those two are so lovely. Canon OTP for life. So much love, so much loss, so much devotion. Thranduil x Waifu forever.
Thranduil at a time of War of the Ring didn't only fought orc armies from north but Easterling armies from the east aswell.
Well, it's good that they included all these scenes in the films - explaining about those gems and his story. Ye. Great.
Tho, it would be a shame to delete trolls making dinner scene - that was a core scene for all this. x]
Would of loved to see Bilbo give Thranduil the gems and get named Elf friend
Philipa Boyens is the main culprit . Overconfident and arrogant lady .. She is one responsible for foreshadowing every scene of the LOTR in Hobbit
+sanch Sanchayan
I didn't mind the LoTR forshadowing in The Hobbit. They did say they were gonna approach it as a prequel to LoTR, and that's what they did.
What I DO blame her for is the humanization of Thorin and Kili. They looked too human, and they were made that way because she wanted them to be more sexy. I didn't mind that Thorin was in his prime age instead of an old man like in the book. But when he looks more like a Man of Gondor rather than a Dwarf of Erebor, that's when they went overboard.
Kili they totally botched. Slim build, no beard, and a tiny nose. Only a 6yo Dwarf would look like that! But it was all so that Boyens could have her ridiculous little romance betwen Kili and Tauriel.
If Boyens actually read some Tolkien, she would understand that love between an Elf and a Dwarf is fundamentally impossible because of how the two races came to be.
Dwarves and Elves are like oil and water. They tolerate each other, but can never mix. PJ should have put his foot down and not let P. Boyens run rampant with the screenplay.
The mental thinking behind the hobbit script is flawed. All foreshadowing elements in prequels are flawed . They should have learned from the SW prequels
Finally I'm reading a smart opinion. Mrs Boyens did a really shitty job as writer/producer IMO. She is responsible for the lame dialogues, the hilarious love triangles, the unnecessary and a bit ridiculous characters of this trilogy. I enjoyed the Lotr movies (although some parts are boring as well) but The Hobbit truly sucked and the massive use of CGI has nothing to do with that: these three movies are simply stupid. I am not even a Tolkien fan, but I completely understand Tolkien family's decision to block the Silmarillion copyrights.
What makes me upset is that the characters that isnt even present in the book have more screen time than thranduil.. its a shame, lee pace really gave justice to thranduil's character but they put most of his important scenes as "deleted"
The sad thing is, is that Thranduil's character was perfectly fine as Tolkien wrote it so there shouldn't have been any need for these epiphany moments - PJ and his team of writers mutilated the Elvenking beyond all recognition for the movies. Thranduil already was a kind and compassionate character (look at his concern for Bilbo's welfare and for the plight of the people of Laketown!) whose actions were understandable and justified, both in imprisoning the dwarves who would not identify themselves or give proper reason for roaming through his realm and also in taking an army to a mountain where both dragon and dwarves were said to be dead and which could easily become overrun with the enemy (as did the mines of Moria). Being situated so close to his own kingdom why would he (or any leader of a country) let a strong position such as the mountain remain unguarded and undefended? Added to this, Thranduil clearly stated in the book that he would rather wait an age before he would start a war over treasure - therefore it was not greed that motivated him but military strategy. Why PJ and his team felt the need to change his character so drastically I will never know - they could easily have kept the storyline about the dead wife without turning him into a cold-hearted monster.
Also, that rubbish about the rift between father and son causing Legolas to go away and this then leads to LOTR - the Council of Elrond takes place in 3018 (77 years after BOTFA) and Legolas is sent by Thranduil to that meeting (meaning he was with his father when Gollum escaped after Aragorn delivered him to the Elves). It's quite obvious these movies should come with a warning: "loosely inspired by the novels of JRR Tolkien." They couldn't even get the timeline right - Aragorn was 10years old at the time of the Hobbit and he didn't even learn his true name and start roaming about as a ranger until 2951 - ten years after the events of the Hobbit!
PJ might have given us an aesthetically pleasing movie - the scenery, costumes and casting were all wonderful - but he destroyed the inner beauty of characters for the sake of creating plot devices that were unnecessary and tedious. I would much preferred to have seen Bilbo getting lost in Thranduil's halls for days whilst ducking the singing elf-guards and seeing Thranduil lay Orcrist on Thorin's tomb, along with my favourite scene of Thranduil receiving the necklace from Bilbo, than watching the contrived love angst created by PJ's mary sue character Tauriel, Alfred's cowardly antics and boring face-off fights that dragged on (Thorin & Azog!!!!). It is such a shame that after the LOTR movies (which while still flawed held mostly true to Tolkien's work) PJ and his team of so-called experts basically destroyed the original story and characters for the sake of putting in modern-movie gimmicks and soap opera plot-lines.
I would say to anyone who has only watched these movies - do yourself a favour and read the actual book. Whether you prefer elves, dwarves or men (or little hobbits!) you will not be disappointed for they all have their own charm. The only characters to hate are the goblins.
I hate what they did to the book. I only watched the first part, once I realized they butchered it entirely, I refrained from watching the other films.
They should have made an entirely independent movie imo. Nothing sucks more than to alter a book so much only the names of the characters remain the same.
Why was this scene removed?! It really would have tied things up
ok the part at 5:19 where gandolf tells thranduil that his wife left him a son, was not on my extended edition, I have the 5 disk dvd edition of the extended. Which cd is it on and where do I look for it
+1yugioh11 its not on the extended edition, apparently, they didnt include it anywhere
+1yugioh11 It is surely in The Appendices Part 12: The People and Denizens of Middle-Earth: “Thranduil: The King of Wood and Stone”. Check it once again.
+LadyofValimar Found it! Honestly when I asked the question I didnt even think of looking in the appendices.
+1yugioh11 Yeah it stayed as a deleted scene.
+LadyofValimar Thank you so much. I've been frantically looking for this and didn't realize it was in the appendices.
happy birthday lee pace !!!
I would love to see a movie with his story 💗 Best scene just cut, sad
Thrandy I'm not dead...waiting for you here in London..😘😘😘😘😘
The one scene here that they actually used in the movie was the one they shouldn't have. Mentioning Aragorn as Strider was stupid, that LOTR mention made no sense at all.
+Rakenson especially since Aragorn is like 9 years old during the events of the Hobbit.
The first time we saw Aragorn "Strider" sitting in that corner, with that hood, those whiskers, just watching, we were like, "Uh...Oliver Queen?" Of course we knew it couldn't be, but it reminded us so much of the Green Arrow.
Should have been more Thranduil and less of that damned artifical love story between Miss Madeup and the dwarf.
Would be so cool if they released new versions of LoTR with scenes with Thranduil. Maybe even depart from the story in order amend the character of Tauriel who was just left hanging... maybe we see her die on the way to Rivendell and the Council of Elrond, or at least hear her spoken about and what happened to her.
My2Cents That would be awful
Why did they cut so much of this! It made so much more sense.
why is the video volume so low??
THEY CUT OFF THE EXPLANATION FROM THE MOVIE RIP
These chops should read the book.
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Ok now i totally understand when Lee said in an interview that his last scene with legolas in TBFA was the most memorable one for him. Jeez and I've been wondering why Thranduil's a jerk & wanted those diamonds badly.
Precisam fazer um filme desvendando a história de legolas e thranduil fiquei muito curiosa
Was that last shot of thranduil in the movie? Were was he?
He has the eyes of Zac Efron
what is dead may never die
It's a beautiful story that wasn't told. All things considered, sorry guys, I understand it's full of feels and all and that the movie strains to some extent from the source material, but that's no excuse to skew it off entirely.
You can't simply add a story that concerns the mother of one of the main characters and the queen of one of the Elf Kings without it being conceived in the source material. It wouldn't have been better than adding another script about a yonger Legolas' dead brother gift, or adding a plot line about Gimli's mother nor some other feeling fused script that could potentialy derail the motives of a main character in a different direction.
@5:12 what scene is that? I don't remember it
I'm sorry but Aragorn/Estel was 10 years old at the time of the battle so how on earth would Thranduil even know he existed. I mean he lived incognito for the first part of his life. Also I don't think a 10 year old would be known as Strider. What an uneducated piece of writing.
he was actually 27. in the LoTR Aragorn is 87, the Hobbit was 60 years earlier therefore Aragorn was 27
In LOTR he says himself that he's 87... I know right 😳
+Ghostlord Aragorn II was born March 1, 2931 T.A; the Battle of the Five Armies took place in 2941. Also it was not 60 years as the Fellowship left Rivendell in 3018 T.A. Please learn facts before you call people out. I mean he didn't even know his own name until 2952.
+Heather S So.... agreeing with me?
Book canon and movie canon are completely different. In the movies, Aragorn is 27 at the time of BOFTA.
Aku ingin melihat thranduil lebih lama
does anyone know where the scene at 5:12 came from ?
Anyone thinks Thranduil is a minor villain in the film kind of like how King Triton is the minor villain in the Little Mermaid?
It really bothers me that the cast and crew weren't as thorough with the pronunciation of the character names in The Hobbit as they were in LoTR.
Several times in the movies I hear "GanDOLF", "TAW-riel" and "Than-drill". I wouldn't be surprised if they said "Saw-ron" too!
FFS how hard could it be? GandALF, tAu-riel, THRAN-duil!...
+My2Cents I think only Thorin pronounced Thranduil's name correctly. With Galadriel in Lotr, I hear Saw-ron lol
no i Gruby Legolas
The scene with Gandalf talking to Thranduil about his wife and the jewels is actually in the extended version of the film. So I'm not sure what you all are so butt hurt about? 🙄 I am a HUGE Thranduil fan btw and absolutely agree he needed more screen time than he got. But many of these scenes are added in the extended edition of the film.
I enjoyed a lot of the extra stuff in The Hobbit films (radagast, the white council in Gol Dulgur etc.) but I feel PJ and Co. went overboard w/ Thranduil, and are kind of guilty of short-shrifting what's actually in the text to justify their romantic notions about their elven King. Here (in the video) we're told that Thranduil repelled Sauron's forces alone in the War of the Ring, while Tolkien says little about the elves of the North, which was held by an alliance of Wood-elves, the Lakemen and the dwarves under the mountain (King Dain). So Kings Dain, Bard and Thranduil were able to forge an enduring alliance, but one never gets the sense in any of the books that Thranduil ever ceases to be prickly and difficult to deal with. He remains a cold and lonely figure, though not unwise or foolish in his politics.
A big part of the story is that Bard's son, Brand, goes to live with Dain and then with the wood-elves - so my understanding has always been that the Kings of Dale were the key figures bridging the conflict between the dwarves and the wood-elves and "making the north work". Dain develops strong ties with the men of Dale, and dies in the War of the Ring defending a fallen Brand at the gates of Erebor. That relationship is at the heart of the Northern alliance in the War of the Ring, not the elven side of it.
Bard's son, Brand, would - I think - be the protagonist in any story of the North in the War of the Ring -- certainly not Thranduil.
I knew Nicholas Cage had a twin.
Were the deleted scenes in the extended version of the Hobbit, of there is one?
No, not in the movie, but in extras - The Appendices: Part Twelve - Here at Journey's End (disc 3), The Peoples and Denizens of Middle-earth" Documentary, Thranduil: King of Wood and Stone
LadyofValimar Okay, thanks!
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1:00 What does he say?
Sorry I'm 4 months late but to me it sounds like "I want it retrieved."
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When Thranduil tells Legolas go find STRIDER,,i mean come on,!!!! Hobbit it 60 years before LOTR! Hence Aragorn in human he should have been more than 60 y/o in LOTR! This scene makes absolutely no sense!!!!
+Dudin Sali Aragorn is 87 years old in LOTR. He is a decendant of Numenor blessed with long life and can live up to 200-300 years old.
+pilepeen wow
.thanks..never knew that..i keep discovering and rediscovering things..:)
Dudin Sali
If you want to discover some more, watch the extended LOTR and hobbit movies ;)
+pilepeen haha.. i have watched lotr like 20/times..never knew that about Strider!! thnx anyway...as much as i love these..i never had the chance and the money to buy the book!! i am like a jrr tolkien addict fan. love all the movies..
In the books, Denethor is a year older than Aragorn; he also has Numenorean blood. Faramir lives another 80 years or so after LOTR; Aragorn lives 120 more years (passing away at his own will at the age of 210).
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I thought he had a husband ... Or she ... I am so confused
me too
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Was that last shot of thranduil in the movie? Were was he??
+DutchGirl The last shot? No idea but the shot where Gandalf speaks to him is a deleted scene.
was that last shot of thranduil in the movie? Were was he?
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Was that last shot of thranduil in the movie? Were was he?
was that last shot of thranduil in the movie? Were was he?
Was that last shot of thranduil in the movie? Were was he?
+DutchGirl I never saw that shot in the movie.