Amazon Sells Fake Electrical Fuses

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  • @BloodyMobile
    @BloodyMobile 11 місяців тому +572

    12:41 when you _know_ something is hot and shouldn't be touched but muscle memory doesn't care.
    Also I wouldn't mind videos like this more often. It's unfortunately very needed to literally demostrate the state of this bullshit.
    Because with how easily reviews can be botted, people who write legit reviews about the bad state can be just called botted reviews too. If they don't get nuked before that...

    • @rossmanngroup
      @rossmanngroup  11 місяців тому +157

      If there's a garbage product line being sold on Amazon you think it would be fun to see reviewed in this fashion, email louis@rossmanngroup.com

    • @4ryan42
      @4ryan42 11 місяців тому

      ​@@rossmanngroupbasically anything with a lumen rating. Insanely high lumen flashlights are plentiful on Amazon, and no 500,000 lumen flashlight is going to slip into your pocket.

    • @RB01138
      @RB01138 11 місяців тому +50

      ​@@rossmanngroupwhat if it's an entire class of product? 18650 batteries are being advertised with 11,100 mAh ratings, about 3 times that of the highest confirmed ratings on the market. Complete with spelling errors.

    • @lordhelmchen616
      @lordhelmchen616 11 місяців тому +18

      18650 battery tests would be interesting

    • @BloodyMobile
      @BloodyMobile 11 місяців тому +18

      @@rossmanngroup I'd say that basic electronic components would be a great start, since you're already very familiar with what they _should_ be like vs what to expect from Amazon. Kinda like ProjectFarm does his comparisons, just instead of going from "absolute discount bargain bin" to "most _high end_ brand name" you'd pick the 5-10 "best" products by manufacturer from Amazon and show how many end up in flames, or causing flames.
      And as the others suggested, 18650 cells would be indeed a great start to the series, as basically EVERY DIY'er ever is gonna end up needing some.

  • @tayzonday
    @tayzonday Рік тому +2256

    This might be a negligent homicide investigation if someone actually tracked all the faulty fuzes that have been installed and researched the outcomes. This level of misrepresentation probably has a body count.

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 Рік тому +85

      yeah an investigation for the chinese manufacturer

    • @trajectoryunown
      @trajectoryunown Рік тому +257

      @@marcogenovesi8570 The sellers are also at fault.
      Even if US law doesn't reach the manufacturers, they can shoot down the businesses operating within the US.

    • @giglioflex
      @giglioflex Рік тому +48

      Even if we assume that the manufacturer did put identifying markers on the fuses to make them traceable, they are Chinese and will thus suffer no consequences.

    • @vacantSuburbia
      @vacantSuburbia Рік тому +124

      ​@@giglioflexPunish the distributor and they'll quickly find a new supplier.

    • @mrtechie6810
      @mrtechie6810 Рік тому

      They will just declare bankruptcy and open a new LLC.

  • @TechyBen
    @TechyBen Рік тому +1531

    Amazon "You're not allowed to sell refurbished ipads, that's illegal!"
    Also Amazon:

    • @jonchowe
      @jonchowe Рік тому +84

      If it saves just one life...

    • @michasokoowski6651
      @michasokoowski6651 Рік тому +79

      "They can't sue us, if they are dead"

    • @robertsmith2956
      @robertsmith2956 Рік тому +3

      @@michasokoowski6651 I wonder if that guy using microwave transformers used these fuses and electrocuted himself.

    • @michasokoowski6651
      @michasokoowski6651 Рік тому +20

      @@robertsmith2956 You mean creating carvings on wood using microwave transformers?
      Its not about the fuse, you probably can't even do that with a fuse. It's extremally dangerous, you aer working with amps so high that rubber gloves will melt instantly and you will be electrocuted anyway.
      No one should attempt that in any way, if you want wood carvings use normal methods to do them

    • @bobgoldham69
      @bobgoldham69 Рік тому

      @@michasokoowski6651 soldering irons work well for wood carving with a "burnt" look to it.
      They're also perfectly safe as long as you maintain basic safety procedures and keep a bucket of water nearby, just in case

  • @boyscout399
    @boyscout399 11 місяців тому +369

    I got a fraudulent LG fridge filter from Amazon. The package had misspellings all over it including lg's website being misspelled. Putting it next to the real filter I got from Best Buy and it was obviously larger holes in the screen of the filter from the fraudulent filter. I did a review on Amazon to warn people and Amazon emailed me that they took down my review because it didn't comply with community guidelines... What a joke of a company.

    • @PowerScissor
      @PowerScissor 11 місяців тому

      Every review I've left on Amazon to warn people of fake items I've received has been immediately removed the same way.
      I can't believe Amazon isn't constantly bombarded by class action lawsuits.
      I hope I live long enough to see them crumble under the weight of lawsuits....but it will likely never hapoen and the people responsible will never be held accountable.
      The worst part is they prey on the elderly. No matter how patiently I exolain these things to my elderly family ir neighbors, they still explain they were more careful and checked the reviews first before buying something obviously fake again.

    • @Eric2300jeep
      @Eric2300jeep 11 місяців тому +27

      Yup! Amazon has done that to me MANY times as well! All because of how I phrased something in a "harsh" manner

    • @munsters2
      @munsters2 11 місяців тому +34

      "community guidelines" = don't say anything bad about our stuff

    • @akierum
      @akierum 11 місяців тому +22

      @@munsters2 Ebay - same shit, bans for "community guidelines" never telling what you did wrong. It isn't allowed to ban for life in EU so how to deal with these crooks?

    • @JohannGambolputty22
      @JohannGambolputty22 11 місяців тому +12

      Same thing happened to me twice were I called a product faulty in a review and it was pulled for violating guidelines. I read their guidelines and nowhere did I whatsoever.

  • @GoldwingDocs
    @GoldwingDocs Рік тому +594

    Thanks for the shout out and link to my video, Louis. Glad you are getting this word out. There are SO MANY outright dangerous products being sold on Amazon, with no oversight.

    • @rossmanngroup
      @rossmanngroup  Рік тому +153

      Check out this gentleman's channel. You won't be disappointed. And, thank you for your informative email!!!

    • @slowanddeliberate6893
      @slowanddeliberate6893 Рік тому +8

      Amazon Basics is rubbish, too.

    • @automaton20
      @automaton20 Рік тому

      ​@@slowanddeliberate6893 Amazon basics is where Amazon finds a high sell through, high margin product, then contact the manufacturer and have them make it for them. Then they sell it on their own marketplace (meritocracy be damned). Then they throttle the original product until the company stops selling it.

    • @innocento.1552
      @innocento.1552 Рік тому +3

      Thank you all. These videos will definitely not get to everyone, but the will sure help someone and save many lives.

    • @LimbaZero
      @LimbaZero Рік тому +3

      Diodegonewild should do some amazon charger/power supply tests. He had nice amount of ebay "reviews". He just labeled them as nice, dodgy or super dodgy with skull. Usually super dodgy is when using product can cause lethal shock like not having enough insulation in transformer etc.

  • @rampak1
    @rampak1 11 місяців тому +416

    Platforms such as Amazon should be made legally responsible for the safety of goods sold through their sites. They would soon weed out the dodgy stuff then.

    • @tschaderdstrom2145
      @tschaderdstrom2145 11 місяців тому +4

      Yep, and prices would be even higher

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 11 місяців тому

      It would be enough if they're required to remove fraudulent listings.
      And a 2A fuse that blows at 5A is fraud. So is one that blows at 1A. It should blow at 2A and nowhere else.

    • @ignasia7230
      @ignasia7230 11 місяців тому +17

      They are. If the manufacturer can't be gotten ahold of, and since Amazon guarantees to some degree every 3rd party seller, they bear secondary responsibility for not vetting or engaging in any form of quality control for those who sell and resell on their platform. The question is, will someone bring up a lawsuit.
      They would have to prove negligence and damages as a result of something purchased on Amazon, coming from Chinese sellers.
      The other issue is it's become VERY expensive to build any form of manufacturing business in the US, outside of a bare handful of states. Even within those states, Federal laws are heavily restrictive and expensive to follow unnecessary codes. It's why all the parts manufacturer's that used to be in the US and sold through Radioshack, died fairly shortly after changes made since Radioshack's death and added layers of beaurocracy and regulations they couldn't afford to comply with. Nevermind added layers of costs just to procure materials. The US used to be the hub of parts manufacturing. It's only become even more draconian since Apple, et. al have gone after the independent repair industry that Louis has been fighting, killing off what bare minimum companies were left. Though by the time of Louis' making that push several years back for right to repair, most of that manufacturing for quality, was in asia. Virtually nill in the US.
      Even the ones who moved to China have had to close shop. So if this does go through, and someone does sue Amazon (and New Egg as well, as they should have been blocked from being purchased by a Chinese company), as should happen, it just opens up the can of worms for the next step of the equation. How to get the US Federal and State governments to roll back regulations that are choking the hell out of small industry. That's like pulling teeth from a lion high on cocaine and starving for the past month. Nevermind city governments.

    • @chipdenman863
      @chipdenman863 11 місяців тому

      Bezos donates big to the Democratic Party-not happening

    • @jepulis6674
      @jepulis6674 11 місяців тому +4

      @@tschaderdstrom2145 Would they? Now you dont get what you buy...

  • @moracomole8090
    @moracomole8090 Рік тому +2847

    Amazon is nothing more than Alibaba with extra steps at the moment

    • @meinbherpieg4723
      @meinbherpieg4723 Рік тому +240

      Yup. Money's still going to China, might as well get a better deal without middlemen or drop shippers

    • @Drdirtydee
      @Drdirtydee Рік тому +170

      It's Temu with Jordans on

    • @TertiaryDee
      @TertiaryDee Рік тому +114

      The sad part is, I used to knowingly use it for that, and use it to get things of quality from manufacturers I knew were reputable, both with pretty reasonable markups for convenience. Now they're the knock off crap at name brand prices. So when I want cheap Chinese crap, I'll just order it from china.

    • @archonix
      @archonix Рік тому +96

      Extra steps and extra cost. Same thing on amazon costs often 5 or 10 times what it costs on ali express. I figure, if I'm getting cheap tat, I might as well pay cheap tat prices, so I just go to ali express instead.

    • @thecringeman7697
      @thecringeman7697 Рік тому +10

      I would argue that at least it’s more convenient , but still shit

  • @ThatGoat
    @ThatGoat Рік тому +383

    Louis, that's just a high quality long life fuse. You don't have to change fuses all the time if they don't blow.

    • @sohardtokill
      @sohardtokill Рік тому +138

      That's true. you don't have to change fuses if it already burnt your house down

    • @jrobmccoy
      @jrobmccoy Рік тому +55

      “Lifetime Warranty” takes on a new meaning.

    • @erg0centric
      @erg0centric Рік тому +6

      You only need one fuse, not a complete set.

    • @robertsmith2956
      @robertsmith2956 Рік тому +6

      @@jrobmccoy I can see the TV adds. If our fuses blow your not using them right. in small 2 pt font. * these are for wiring bus bars on electric cars......

    • @TestGearJunkie.
      @TestGearJunkie. Рік тому +3

      @@erg0centric You need a reasonable sample though. One fuse might just be a defective one. Get the same result with 100 of them and you've got a problem.

  • @RobertMurphy-n5i
    @RobertMurphy-n5i 11 місяців тому +58

    I am a mechanical engineer, and it's a similar story with mechanical components. I used to work in a large aircraft assembly factory where frequently heavy equipment was lifted, overhead, by large cranes. The (union) shop would only agree to work on a lift if a particular, north american, manufactured brand of lifting hardware was used.
    One day one of our senior engineers wanted to determine what the off-brand, 1/4th the price chinese shackles would do. Whereas the North American, approved, brand name equipment failed at 5x the rated load (as specified in the product data sheet) in a ductile way (slowly yielding giving visible signs of failure) - the chinese equipment failed catastrophically at about 95% - 100% of the rated load. Note that in most case you NEED to have a ~10% margin since you'll rarely know for sure what the exact weight of a 10,000 lbf piece of machinery weighs.

    • @pootisengage6672
      @pootisengage6672 10 місяців тому +1

      I call bullcrap

    • @RobertMurphy-n5i
      @RobertMurphy-n5i 10 місяців тому

      @@pootisengage6672 It must be hard going through life being so totally stupid and useless

    • @ms_cartographer
      @ms_cartographer 9 місяців тому

      How are they a senior engineer?

    • @callak_9974
      @callak_9974 8 місяців тому +9

      @@ms_cartographer They just wanted to do a test to see the quality, nothing wrong with that, for curiosity sake perhaps. Getting first hand knowledge is much better than word of mouth.

    • @lassikinnunen
      @lassikinnunen 8 місяців тому

      They'd work with only american but scoff at KONE?

  • @Abc-ii1he
    @Abc-ii1he Рік тому +477

    You should make a bigger deal out of the fact that your 1-star review simply wasn't published by Amazon. That is probably some kind of legally-defined fraud. It's certainly a practice that gets you dinged by the BBB and other consumer advisory groups. To see such a large corporation doing what fly-by-night dropshipping stores do is shocking. It's much more serious than the seller simply flooding their product listing with fake reviews.

    • @bwray5054
      @bwray5054 Рік тому +18

      What is "shocking" is your apparent trust of Large Corporations.

    • @ryandoyle4344
      @ryandoyle4344 Рік тому

      Fake 'good' reviews + Hidden 'real' reviews

    • @Arkantos117
      @Arkantos117 Рік тому +80

      Maybe they'd have left his review up if it was 5 stars saying, "These fuses are great! The 2amp can handle 10amps before it blows, now that's value for money."

    • @HelloWorld29960
      @HelloWorld29960 Рік тому +15

      I suspect the review was refused because he included a hyperlink, I too ran into that issue when I was linking to an external review about a shitty product. I did receive an email explaining it, maybe they stopped giving reasons or it's in his spam folder. It doesn't make sense that they would want to hide bad reviews, it's the only quality control they have on the site.

    • @SammyM00782
      @SammyM00782 Рік тому +50

      If you notice, you can't see negative anything anywhere. You can't see the thumbs down on a video, why would reviews on Amazon go any different?

  • @b1urple
    @b1urple Рік тому +366

    Dude. THANK YOU for making both of these videos, and a double thank you for the in depth demonstration. I've been saying for MONTHS, probably even over a YEAR at this point to everyone I know that Amazon has turned into a shitty marketplace to buy dangerous products that stop working a month in (or, in the case of this video, right out of the box), and nobody I know has ever shared this sentiment until now. Quite comforting to know I am, in fact, not going insane!

    • @TheVincentKyle
      @TheVincentKyle Рік тому +4

      Thanks for putting your money where your mouth is. I'd call Louis Cassandra but people are actually starting to listen and realize the line between Amazon and their Chinese imitators blurs more and more each day.

    • @sabastianleisek396
      @sabastianleisek396 Рік тому +3

      I swear someone somewhere is at least a little malicious with how everything is made. How does an LED on nightlight burn out after 3 months. With how quickly things fail, I don't believe it's a quality defect anymore.

    • @absurdengineering
      @absurdengineering 11 місяців тому +2

      I had some random Chinese shit mistakenly sent to my address a couple years ago by Amazon. It took some doing to have them stop it actually. One of the devices was a desktop dehumidifier with a peltier cooler. I decided to”hey, let’s give it a try”. It survived in the basement for maybe a month. I haven’t even bothered to do a tear down to see what went wrong. Tossed the piece of crap right out. We really don’t need such “products” on our market. They serve little useful purpose and just end up in the landfills soon after sale. Ugh.

  • @carstencroessmann
    @carstencroessmann 11 місяців тому +128

    As a German, I always was laughing about all the safety Stickers you got in the states. For instance, "Don't put cats into the microwave" or "Caution hot", and why? Because companies got sued, where are these days, can't someone sue Amazon for at least selling this crap and risks people's live or their property for example their car which could go off in flames and nobody will investigate it that the reason was the Amazon fuse. Happy new year fellas greetings from Germany

    • @wild1234
      @wild1234 11 місяців тому +17

      My guess would be it's because Amazon isn't selling the fuses. If you look at the seller for these products, they are always sold directly from some Chinese address with a gibberish seller name, something like "igdfhgtghgdsrghhfsdghjnff". Amazon has basically become another eBay at this point. And somehow I doubt trying to sue some made up company in China would get you very far.
      They would need to make a law that makes sites like eBay, Craig's List, Amazon, etc liable for the products sold on their site by third party sellers. Which I imagine would be the death of those sites other than Amazon. Amazon could survive as they do still have their own store to fall back on. Products sold by Amazon directly are still decent quality, the problem is finding them in the sea of third party sellers.

    • @Novastar.SaberCombat
      @Novastar.SaberCombat 11 місяців тому

      Wealth is health. Might is right. If you ain't rich, you ain't sheet. 😂

    • @carstencroessmann
      @carstencroessmann 11 місяців тому +2

      @@wild1234 😂🤣😂 did your head fall onto the keyboard igdfhgtghgdsr... but serious that's true I totally agree, someone must be responsible sooner or later, I guess more later rather than sooner, sadly. A side note, I thought on Craig's List only private people are selling?

    • @carstencroessmann
      @carstencroessmann 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Novastar.SaberCombat t
      TRUE isn't it an American Slogan "to big to fail" I guess this happens with Amazon to much power, to much connection to the ministry for sure.

    • @anthonydelfino6171
      @anthonydelfino6171 11 місяців тому +5

      in the US, the vendor isn't usually liable for the quality or safety of the products they sell, and instead the manufacturer is the one held liable. This is how Amazon can sell products that are unsafe or don't work and not suffer. With many vendors this system actually works since you know if you're buying something at Walmart, it's probably lower quality than something you buy at a higher end retailer where the product might be a bigger brand name and costs a bit more.
      but the problem with Amazon is they've become so ubiquitous that too many people just go directly to them for whatever they're thinking of buying without even considering another option, and so Amazon isn't suffering from it's poor products, and really they're so large at this point, they don't even have a customer retention department if people say they want their services and accounts deleted (I learned this by working with them directly on an issue then telling them to delete my account over their "fuck you" attitude toward me)

  • @doompod
    @doompod Рік тому +427

    The local stores should advertise with this info showing their products are superior.

    • @TheZiZaZo
      @TheZiZaZo Рік тому +37

      Actually pretty smart. Most people think the products they get on amazon are equal in quality than a local electronics or hardware store.

    • @Kohlenstoffkarbid
      @Kohlenstoffkarbid Рік тому +8

      I would go to my local store. Last time i was in such store (Conrad) i wanted a device to measure capacity of capacitors. I asked one of the shop employees and he showed my different multimeters and he did just read on them while explaining to me what he read. He literally said that these devices can Ohm and Ampere. As most people who have seen such things i did already know that they "can" Ohm and Ampere. I thought to myself, thats not the kind of service i want to pay some extra. So i never visit this store again and i was gone.

    • @stickyfox
      @stickyfox Рік тому +14

      Any real supplier, local or online, can give you a CoC (certificate of conformity) that proves it's the real thing made out of legitimately-sourced materials. Amazon is not one of them.

    • @Triplechomending
      @Triplechomending Рік тому

      From my experience having been trapped in retail for ~9 years, the problem with this idea in practicality for local stores is that the backwards thought process of "My magtrometer or other device isn't working and the only part thats dead is a fuse, that means the only thing it needs is a fuse, I should be able to buy a fuse and have the thing work again because this is the entire picture, oh yay I buy fuse and the thing turns on again yay 5 star review imma tell all my homies this worked for me" exists within their customer base just as it exists in however many of the Amazon reviews are actually real. What's even worse about this for local stores is they also encounter the not-quite-extinct yet subspecies of this thought process which goes roughly "Back in my day I walked 69 miles uphill both ways in the snow to get to school without needing any of these video games or magtrometers, so I'm going to bring my non-working electrical device into the local store and be as belligerent as humanly possible to the staff I'm speaking to and open the packaging right there once they show me where the fuses are and stuff one into my device and turn it on and if it blows right away then I will tell them lol what a chucklefuck youre trying to sell me something that doesnt work, back in my day when everyone walked 420 miles uphill both ways in the snow to get to school they were all honest and hard-working not like you people, oh cool this other pack of fuses makes the thing turn on and stay on when I plug it in yay kiddo you got yourself a sale you shouldve just started with this one next time and not trying to pull one over"

    • @Cheepchipsable
      @Cheepchipsable Рік тому

      Maybe, but no one trusts brick and mortar stores either.

  • @Darthmufin
    @Darthmufin Рік тому +119

    I don't know if you saw my previous comment, but sometimes the reviews on products are not "fake" but reviews from another product. Companies or organizations will sometimes use a successful product page and simply change all of the information and images to a new product, while keeping the old reviews for that other product up, bumping them up in search results and giving their product a guise of authenticity.
    Go to the reviews of any highly rated (and especially cheap) product and actually read the reviews. Sometimes, the reviews talk about something entirely different than what you are trying to purchase, which is a huge red flag.

    • @maidsandmuses
      @maidsandmuses Рік тому +12

      I'v noticed that many times yes, it is a serious trustworthiness issue. They use the same trick when a product gets completely redesigned; the good reviews for the older version turn up under the listing for the new version.

    • @renakunisaki
      @renakunisaki Рік тому +6

      I knew they sometimes would switch to lower quality versions of the same product, but I didn't realize they could actually switch to an entirely different product. That's an amazingly big loophole that Amazon should have fixed forever ago.

    • @Darthmufin
      @Darthmufin Рік тому

      Amazon either doesn't care, or doesn't have a system in place to monitor when a product page is altered in this way for whatever reason.
      So now as a rule of thumb when i buy stuff on amazon i look at the reviews to ensure they are talking about that product, and ignore 5 star reviews that just say a few words of praise as i don't trust those if they are too many@@maidsandmuses

    • @Darthmufin
      @Darthmufin Рік тому +1

      Yes it is, and i only realized this practice was a thing this year. Im not entirely positive how they do it, but they likely sell a legitimate product for a while and get lots of positive reviews then simply change the entire product page later. Apparently Amazon is either unwilling or unable to stop this from happening by forcing them to create a fresh listing instead of re-using an old one. @@renakunisaki

    • @brandonhoffman4712
      @brandonhoffman4712 Рік тому +3

      That's a plothole that spells doom for Amazon.
      Amazon shouldn't be giving its retailers the power to manipulate Amazon's own listings in this way.
      I can already often find reputable products cheaper elsewhere than Amazon. Even coming from the same retailer...
      Edit: this is why I just let my prime membership lapse.

  • @RolyPolyGames
    @RolyPolyGames 11 місяців тому +119

    You claim you're not a magician Louis, but you're putting on quite the performance with the death defying non blowing fuse.

    • @gamechannel1271
      @gamechannel1271 8 місяців тому

      No death was risked here, just burnt fingers.

    • @imrevadasz1086
      @imrevadasz1086 6 місяців тому +1

      ​@@gamechannel1271Walking away while running 192W through his plugged together test setup was a real fire hazard, IMO.

  • @michaeldearden876
    @michaeldearden876 Рік тому +139

    My first question when you were taking polls was “well, is this a slow-blow fuse and you’re impatient?”
    And you totally covered that possibility about 8 minutes in. Lovely and thorough!

    • @rossmanngroup
      @rossmanngroup  Рік тому +74

      It's a good thing I had to pee.

    • @LutherYap-o9l
      @LutherYap-o9l 11 місяців тому

      I was waiting for a Naked Gun Pee sceen if you forgot to turn off the mic@@rossmanngroup

    • @godarklight
      @godarklight 11 місяців тому +6

      My immediate thought was the curve as well, but I wish louis luck for those official mac schematics with his free USB stick. I did have to check, most circuit breakers here are C curve, which is no trip at 100% load, but trip to 1-2 minutes with 200% load. 5x current is instant trip.

    • @gg-gn3re
      @gg-gn3re 11 місяців тому +2

      fuse curves are "we failed at making the fuse properly for the number it should blow so we attached a graph that says the real numbers"

    • @sjfehr
      @sjfehr 11 місяців тому

      There are standards for automotive fuses, it's not an arbitrary manufacturer decision. ISO 8820-3, SAE J2077, and a few others. Required time-current curves w/ acceptable tolerances are readily available for all of these, and could (and should) have been used for this test.

  • @urhomarkkanen
    @urhomarkkanen Рік тому +210

    For anyone curious what a good fuse should behave like, the data sheet for Bussmann ATC blade fuses says a 2 amp fuse at 7 amps (or 350% of fuse rating in general) should last max 0,5 s and at 12 amps (600% of fuse rating) max 0,1 s. It doesn't specify max operating time at 400% (8 amps) but looking at the curves it should be around 0,2 s, not however long those crap fuses took to blow

    • @MrSpirit99
      @MrSpirit99 11 місяців тому +12

      That was the Answer I was looking for. Too lazy to google that myself.

    • @legionofanon
      @legionofanon 11 місяців тому +13

      the impression I got watching this, along with the cheap chinese commentary, is that the 2 amp fuse is a miscast 5 amp or 7.5 amp fuse. Its likely cheaper for them to make 2 million of one rating than for them to try and make 1m. of one rating and then 1m. of a lower rating since its less dies or whatever.
      Also thank you for sharing the data, i honestly might not have went about looking it up and just taken the video at face value sprinkled with my own judgement LOL

    • @BillAnt
      @BillAnt 11 місяців тому +2

      Wait, Bussmann or Rossmann fuse? lol

    • @flatfingertuning727
      @flatfingertuning727 11 місяців тому +4

      Even better would be to look at what ISO standards require of conforming fuses. Many fuse manufacturers may offer tighter guarantees regarding response time, but the applicable ISO standard would specify that at 2x current, a fuse MUST NOT blow in less than 150ms, but MUST blow within 5 seconds. A fuse that takes only 1 second to blow at 2x current might be "better" than one that takes 1.9 seconds, but both will be adequate in circuit which is properly designed for use with a fuse of that form factor, since proper design of such a circuit would require that it be able to survive 2x current for more than two seconds without fire or other such hazard.

    • @ZandarKoad
      @ZandarKoad 11 місяців тому +3

      Just replace commas with periods, and it all makes sense.

  • @majoraslayer64
    @majoraslayer64 11 місяців тому +37

    I ended up throwing out my crimp connectors from Amazon after watching the last episode. I tested to compare against the same type connectors from AutoZone, and confirmed the Amazon butt connectors did indeed just pull apart. Fortunately I don't think I've used them in anything (I always give connections a tug to check), but I had bought a bunch to keep in bulk and definitely got ripped off. This is an important series of demonstrations, especially for those of us who work with electronic components and repairs regularly.

    • @jer280
      @jer280 11 місяців тому +2

      It is important for those in the back of the classroom, but idiots need to be real they aren't buying 570 of any item and getting anything near quality. If the company you're buying from doesn't have a website... Well that's really on you

  • @rubenm5138
    @rubenm5138 Рік тому +22

    I blew the fuse to my cars $3000 ECU last night, and I was looking on Amazon for new fuses right before seeing this video. Thank you sir

  • @hoaxs1939
    @hoaxs1939 Рік тому +166

    SAE J1284 is the standard for ATC style fuses. I forget the exact standard for fuse ratings, but a fuse should be able to hold the rated amps for 1 hour with out failing, and 110/115% of its rated power for less than 1 minute to compensate for current spikes at initial power on.
    I did a similar bench test with cheap Chinese fuses and fuses from an automotive OEM supplier. The cheap fuses results were as expected, not correct. OEM fuses were spot on with the SAE standard. I performed this bench test to validate voltage drop across a fuse to calculate current on a circuit. In the the automotive diagnostic world, measuring voltage drop across a fuse a is common way to test for parastic draws, there are published graphs to correlate voltage drop to amps.
    In short dont trust any replaced fuse unless you know the brand or where it was sourced.

    • @moen3249
      @moen3249 Рік тому +21

      In "short" don't trust fuse 😅

    • @rodiculous9464
      @rodiculous9464 11 місяців тому +6

      Brand doesn't even mean anything, the random Chinese "brands" you see on Amazon are just some words they write on a bunch of products that all probably come from the same factory in shenzen, they sometimes even do a bait and switch scenario where they farm good reviews with one "brand" to build reputation then start selling the cheap crap, by the time people figure it out they just axe that "brand", stick a new label on the same products then repeat the process

    • @grantrennie
      @grantrennie 11 місяців тому +3

      Bussman or littelfuse,Panasonic,tdk or RS should be good, I think volex is still in business as well?

    • @hoaxs1939
      @hoaxs1939 11 місяців тому +1

      @@grantrennie Bussman and Little Fuse are OEM suppliers. A 5 year old could hold a Chinese fuse and a Bussman fuse and tell you the Bussman fuse is better.

    • @Neuzahnstein
      @Neuzahnstein 11 місяців тому

      So the second fuse looks like more inline with the SAE standard?

  • @FlipEmpire
    @FlipEmpire 11 місяців тому +7

    Yep. Last summer I fried two HVAC transformers as a result of faulty 3A fuses i bought from Amazon. I bought a new pack of 3A fuses from Home Depot and no problems. Thanks for shedding light on these issues with products sold on Amazon.

  • @adaycj
    @adaycj Рік тому +165

    I bought a huge fuse for my battery and solar system from Amazon. It was a reputable brand I could buy elsewhere, and it was a "store" on Amazon. The fuse got hot and melted the holder at only 80% of the rated amps. It was glowing when I smelled it and opened the circuit. I bought a replacement Bussmann fuse from an industrial supplier and everything is fine now. So it's not always that they blow it too high a current, sometimes they may cause a fire before that.

    • @sonictech1000
      @sonictech1000 11 місяців тому +9

      I had a similar issue with some large blade style fuses from Amazon. Resistance was way higher than it should have been.

    • @DJzSith
      @DJzSith 11 місяців тому

      One of the first things I learned running my business, after melting lots of "heavy duty" extension leads is not to buy electrical components of Amazon. It bought a high rated cable, plugs and sockets from a big name store and wired my own extension leads and never had another down time due to fake Chinese crap on Scamazon

    • @wongway40
      @wongway40 11 місяців тому

      dont worry, we have each other, we are the resistance now. All of us @@sonictech1000

    • @complexity5545
      @complexity5545 11 місяців тому

      Got dang.

    • @tiagoferreira086
      @tiagoferreira086 11 місяців тому +6

      yep, typical "iron core" cheap fuse, they are just lamps, they heat until everything is melted or on fire, unfortunately aliexpress, ebay and amazon are full of them

  • @maninalift
    @maninalift Рік тому +111

    5 stars - the fuses keep blowing in my car, but these ones work great.
    NOTE: this was my dad's final Amazon review, before he died in an unexplained car fire. I know he would have wanted me to post his final review, my dad loved Amazon.
    Keep buying and don't ask questions!

    • @wild.legend-music
      @wild.legend-music Рік тому +6

      I really hope that’s not true.

    • @Johnny.Fedora
      @Johnny.Fedora Рік тому +15

      @@wild.legend-music, it's sarcasm, dude. Sarcasm, to make a point.

    • @TomNook.
      @TomNook. Рік тому +6

      That's dark

    • @SayAhh
      @SayAhh Рік тому

      You joke but that's how some people vote, e.g. Brexit.

    • @spazmonkey3815
      @spazmonkey3815 4 місяці тому

      @@SayAhh Right, so stay in the EU .lolololololololol
      GB is a joke and so is the EU.
      Go fight the RU you losers.

  • @travisdenen7633
    @travisdenen7633 11 місяців тому +39

    I've noticed this trend of cheap garbage overwhelming the search results as well. Further, with the lack of oversight I worry that the "Real Brands" I buy off Amazon will be counterfeit as well. I've been trending back to brick and mortar stores, myself. They aren't immune to counterfeit garbage either, but at least it's far less likely overall. So far.

    • @cosmicallyderived
      @cosmicallyderived 7 місяців тому

      Same, there’s some sketch stuff and results on Amazon. Gotta be on guard shopping over there. It’s like eBay before they cracked down to defend their reputation that had tanked in the past.

    • @spazmonkey3815
      @spazmonkey3815 4 місяці тому

      Oh shit, I buy all my vitamins from Amazon.

  • @xjet
    @xjet Рік тому +218

    Voltage is not a factor in the current handling of a fuse. A 32V 2A fuse should blow at the same current as a 250V 2A fuse. The voltage rating only becomes a factor once the fuse has blown and the potential for arcing occurs.

    • @justinsmith2363
      @justinsmith2363 Рік тому +14

      Should probably have done the test at 12V since that is the voltage that most of these fuses will be used at. As you say, it shouldn't make any difference to the result.

    • @chinoto1
      @chinoto1 Рік тому +3

      I've always wondered about that, but somehow not enough to check... Thanks.

    • @joe--cool
      @joe--cool Рік тому +24

      @@justinsmith2363 But then his desk wouldn't have started to burn. Where's the fun in that?

    • @SkylerF
      @SkylerF Рік тому +14

      @@justinsmith2363 The test would be the same. Weather its 12v or 32 volts, the fuse does not know the difference. Theres know way it can "tell" what the source voltage is, it will look identical, because for a given current, the fuse will drop the same amount of voltage

    • @SmokeyWire56
      @SmokeyWire56 Рік тому +2

      The wattage will make a difference in a real test though. Had he tested that 2amp fuse at 12V it would have blown at over 10 amps maybe like 15 amps.

  • @martin_soerensen
    @martin_soerensen Рік тому +173

    Would still make sense to look at a datasheet for a quality fuse of the same type just to get a sense of what such a fuse should be able to handle.
    A random search on Google and I found one from Littelfuse and their 2A fuse will last ~3s at 3A, 0.3s at 4A, .15s at 5A, which seems reasonable. And obviously a 2A fuse should not be able to withstand 8A for any perceptible duration..

    • @markc2643
      @markc2643 Рік тому

      Amazon does sell Littelfuse fuses, but good luck seeing them in the listing when you search for "fuse kits". Same with Buss

    • @michawisniewski4654
      @michawisniewski4654 Рік тому +5

      well, taking current-time characteristics would be probably sth very usefuls. No way those candys are conforming with SAE2077 or any other standard

    • @cranberrysauce61
      @cranberrysauce61 Рік тому +3

      yeah, i also looked at a couple blade fuse's data sheets and the most 'generous' ones were still had the current-time curve to blow in 1 second at double the rated current.

    • @bn880
      @bn880 Рік тому +1

      exactly, Should have checked a brand name fuse datasheet just for reference. as they are NOT designed to blow exactly AT the rated current.

    • @davidhunt240
      @davidhunt240 11 місяців тому

      The other thing I noticed with these cheap Chinese knock off fuses is that they get very hot before they blow, even at their rated current. That leads me to believe they are using standard wire and not fuse wire...

  • @Jeremy----
    @Jeremy---- 11 місяців тому +10

    I purchased a Vick's thermometer from Amazon (from the 'Vick's Store' seller), but what I received looked off from the thermometer I already had and the images from the product page. I started looking into it based on the model number and other features on the thermometer and eventually got into contact with Vick's customer support when I couldn't find a matching patent for that model number.
    The model number on the thermometer didn't match anything they made according to the customer support person I spoke to, and it didn't have the 'vapor' pattern on the power button as it should have. I left a review on Amazon reflecting all of this information, including that everything I'd suspected about it was confirmed by Vick's itself, but the review was rejected.
    This a product that people put into their mouths and their children's mouths, this isn't just a shirt that falls apart (not not that isn't annoying, too), but this is a genuine potential safety issue.
    That tells you all you need to know about how much Amazon cares about the safety of its products and well-being of its customers.

  • @joefunsmith
    @joefunsmith Рік тому +137

    This is Project Farm level content, Louis. That's high praise. I'm an idiot when it comes to electronics but I know enough to be appalled by these results. It's on a par with being sold a truck advertising payload capacity of 5 tons that can only handle 1 ton. It's the type of irresponsible behavior that results in manslaughter or murder charges.

    • @Raczoon
      @Raczoon 11 місяців тому +4

      Unless you're rich and powerful.

    • @hardopinions
      @hardopinions 11 місяців тому

      @@Raczoon or you think you got away with it because you live in country like China ;)

  • @markc2643
    @markc2643 Рік тому +178

    Pro Tip: If you ever have the main fuse in your audio amp blow, replacing the fuse may actually cause more damage than it already had. When the outputs short out and the main fuse blows, replacing the fuse can cause the output resistors to open causing a cascade of failures without the fuse blowing. Back when I did audio repair, we'd use a light bulb in place of the fuse to test for shorts before putting a fuse in it just to avoid that scenario.

    • @HarakiriRock
      @HarakiriRock Рік тому +33

      Yes, I've always been under the assumption that if a fuse blows it means something else in the circuit is faulty.

    • @heyhoe168
      @heyhoe168 Рік тому +10

      @@HarakiriRock Yeah. It is like riding a car after you crashed because of breaks fail.

    • @wayando
      @wayando Рік тому +16

      Yeah. The broken fuse is a symptom of a disease that needs to be cured ... Before the fuse is replaced.

    • @fullboostturbo1
      @fullboostturbo1 Рік тому +7

      Your comment is 100% true in most cases. But to an exception like in my scenario where I had a slow blow 2amp fuse blow in my Logitech Z5500 5.1 surround PC sound system, where the fuse blew after 2 years of operation. I then replaced the fuse with exactly same slow blow 2amp fuse and the system has been running for the last 10 years with no faults or fuse's blowing again. Now IMO I would put this down to an over voltage/ over current problem from input power, like a spike from lightning taking mains power out then reconnecting and creating a surge in the process.

    • @MidlifeRenaissanceMan
      @MidlifeRenaissanceMan Рік тому

      I have a couple of clip on 220ohm 10W resistors to clip across the rail fuses on the big amps I occasionally fix. Sadly you can’t do that with newer amps. No DC Rail fuses. Switch mode supplies make it harder. Multi rail switch mode supplies or class D amps with surface mount, no schematics and a DSP chip that’s either no longer made or _never existed_
      Best amps have lots of gravity in them, caps the size of a can of beer and rail fuses made from coat hanger wire.

  • @thegingineer0
    @thegingineer0 11 місяців тому +28

    As a EE, as you predicted, I wanted to see the trip curves. While I do not have the datasheet for your Amazon fuses, I was curious to see what the curves are like for most automotive fuses. Generally I see that at 4 amps a 2 amp fuse should open in about 5 seconds. Less than a second at 8 amps.

    • @szymoncwojdzinski5624
      @szymoncwojdzinski5624 11 місяців тому +4

      Exactly most time-current characteristics for automotive blade fuses show that at 200% of fuse rated current (In) it should blow in less than 5 seconds. Also worth mentioning is that typically at 110% of In fuse should last as long as predicted MTBF and at 160% of In it can last up to 50s (kzper 5A fuse at 8A for only few seconds before bump to 10A was quite in specs).
      As a EE I would like also to point that Louis explaining automotive fuses got it over simplified. Automotive fuses are not like micro fuses protecting circuit boards. They are in first place to protect wires that run around your car so that they do not turn into lighter and to a lesser extent to protect receivers and users. Fuse creates weak spot in a wire so it overheats and blows before the wire gets so hot it burns its insulation. Important part is that it does not mean fuse will blow instantly! Enough power must be dissipated at melting element to blow it. Power sources should have its own overload protection (they can cut-off or drop voltage) except if they are `special offer` knock-offs or straight scam. That of course does not change the fact that at 350% of In, quality fuses blow in less than 0,5s.
      Example specs:
      www.pecj.co.jp/en/fuse/outline/p3.html
      m.littelfuse.com/~/media/automotive/datasheets/fuses/passenger-car-and-commercial-vehicle/blade-fuses/littelfuse_atof_datasheet.pdf

    • @LackofFaithify
      @LackofFaithify 10 місяців тому

      @@szymoncwojdzinski5624 What, no temperature qualification? Not pedantic enough to qualify for an EE. Though you did lead with MTBF. And there is no more BS measurement than that. So maybe....

    • @szymoncwojdzinski5624
      @szymoncwojdzinski5624 10 місяців тому +1

      @@LackofFaithify Yep, point out one shortcut term to call the rest BS and too pedantic. But guess what - engineering is about being "pedantic". 101 for the fuses is: 1) Fuses do not blow at their rated current they do at slightly higher value called minimum breaking current. 2. It takes time to blow a fuse - the more time the less above the minimum breaking current it is on.

    • @LackofFaithify
      @LackofFaithify 10 місяців тому

      @@szymoncwojdzinski5624 Oh is that what the pretty pictures with the straight lines and curved lines are about? I had always wondered.

  • @agreen182
    @agreen182 Рік тому +258

    Louis you’re doing such a good job exposing enormous companies that I’m starting to worry about your safety

    • @kaden-sd6vb
      @kaden-sd6vb 11 місяців тому +3

      yeah, I'm worried too. he has a target on his back, that's for sure...

    • @bezludny
      @bezludny 11 місяців тому +3

      he is not in russia and perfectly safe.

    • @elone3997
      @elone3997 11 місяців тому +2

      Without wanting to sound overly dramatic, it did cross my mind also..Plot twist, Louis lives in an secure underground bunker so he's probably okay 👍

    • @haveyouseenitthough
      @haveyouseenitthough 11 місяців тому +2

      If you honestly think like this you’ve watched way too many movies

    • @haveyouseenitthough
      @haveyouseenitthough 11 місяців тому +1

      @@DailyCorvid My point is that this stuff doesn't happen in real life. Louis is not going to get assassinated by Amazon for making videos about them
      If you think he's at risk of it then you've probably watched too many movies and its affecting your perception of reality

  • @brandonthornton5507
    @brandonthornton5507 Рік тому +66

    Hey louis, loved your video. I am a licensed electrical engineer. I pulled the spec sheet for the bussman/eaton atc fuses(which are publicly available) and 10amp operate time for a 2 amp fuse is .1 seconds. While there may be some deviation between manufacturers ATC is an industry standard and they should be simiar.

    • @SteelBlueVision
      @SteelBlueVision 11 місяців тому +10

      And the 8 amp operating time for a 2 amp fuse is likely less than forever.

    • @Xershade
      @Xershade 11 місяців тому +2

      @@SteelBlueVision If I recall off the top of my head, it should be about 0.2s, so yes, way less then forever.

    • @WarrenGarabrandt
      @WarrenGarabrandt 11 місяців тому +2

      "industry standards"? Chinese products aren't held back from innovating by American standards. Their fuses don't fail at a measly 2 amps. They've engineered a way to get 8 amps out of them. It's impressive technology of you don't think about it too much.

    • @MushookieMan
      @MushookieMan 11 місяців тому

      @@WarrenGarabrandt Nice! I hope we can learn from this example!

  • @bulk4268
    @bulk4268 11 місяців тому +18

    Today I found cryogenic gloves on Amazon which can apparently handle temperatures as low as -360 °C (which is below absolute zero which is −273.15 °C). Very impressive

    • @Stealth55555
      @Stealth55555 2 місяці тому

      I would seriously doubt those specs. They are probably shitty chinese oven mitts, and would burn your hands in 1 minute at only -100c. Safety gear, I would NEVER trust from amazon. Did you learn nothing from this video?

  • @PatrickHoodDaniel
    @PatrickHoodDaniel Рік тому +76

    Now I need to replace all of my fuses in my boat!! This video series needs to continue and other UA-camrs should join in. Amazon has already took the business of so many caring mom and pop stores, and even large companies like Fry's. I'm sure the former mom and pops are slaving along the isles of Amazon picking and packing.

    • @SayAhh
      @SayAhh Рік тому +11

      Amazon did to online sellers what Walmart did to physical shops on Main Street U.S.A. decades ago.

    • @joefunsmith
      @joefunsmith Рік тому +3

      I miss Fry's.

    • @eric8146
      @eric8146 11 місяців тому

      @@SayAhh damn, well put

    • @jasonriddell
      @jasonriddell 11 місяців тому

      Amazon has ALSO CREATED so MANY new "mom and pop stores" along with a fist full of shady scammer stores

  • @mikeo1141
    @mikeo1141 Рік тому +113

    I am not an electrical engineer but still watched your video (as well as the last one) because of the larger point you are making very well about the dropoff in quality of what is sold on Amazon. I have observed myself over the last few years how when I do a product search in Amazon, the top results are always some strange Chinese sounding names that Ive never heard of, and miraculously there are 10,000 5 star reviews of these products. I'm now conditioned to be very skeptical about Amazon reviews, whereas in the past, I would trust them. I've also found that with a little extra effort, I can find the products I need from different vendors at lower prices. I now have to seriously consider dropping my Prime subscription. The only thing I really am using it for now is the unlimited cloud storage for my 20 plus years of digital photographs. Once I find an alternative cloud storage, I'll have no reason to continue my Prime subscription.

    • @jamesclarkson156
      @jamesclarkson156 Рік тому

      If you don't hate Microsoft, OneDrive is an option. You can get 100GB for like a dollar. They hide that option in favour of Office. And the cost for Office which comes with 1TB is the same as Prime.

    • @bbrainstormer2036
      @bbrainstormer2036 11 місяців тому +6

      Is a NAS an option?

    • @stevebabiak6997
      @stevebabiak6997 11 місяців тому +15

      The only reviews I trust are one star and two star - pissed off consumers will vent.

    • @michinwaygook3684
      @michinwaygook3684 11 місяців тому +9

      The Chinese should probably start to regulate themselves as a lot of companies are pulling out of their country. My Korean wife won't, for the most part, buy Chinese products because she doesn't trust them.
      The country I trust the most for quality products is Germany. I brought a German vacuum, and have had it for 10+ years now, excellent product. I brought German made laminate flooring, best flooring I ever brought. As for stores I find Costco tends to sell quality products.

    • @dmitripogosian5084
      @dmitripogosian5084 11 місяців тому

      @@stevebabiak6997 But lot of them are user error, or not checking exactly what you are buying

  • @StillthatguyJake
    @StillthatguyJake 11 місяців тому +27

    A lot has changed since I started watching you some years ago...but one thing has remained the same! You, Louis, always give it to us straight. It is, as a person of even middling self respect, extremely frustrating how badly we have been taken advantage of. I'm sure that at times it feels like you're banging your head against the wall and that no one is listening. Fortunately, a lot of us are. Unfortunately, ignorant people tend not to pay attention to logical chatter so...we're probably doomed to continue this cycle until we can simply stop giving these companies our money

  • @reaperspartan6571
    @reaperspartan6571 11 місяців тому +72

    Was once working on my old mans classic car and spotted a nail in the place of a fuse. I asked him what that was about and he said the fuse blew so he put the nail in temporarily to get him home. I asked when that happened and he said "about 10 years ago". I'd trust that nail to blow more reliably than I'd trust these amazon fuses you tested :p

  • @trikeonabike4949
    @trikeonabike4949 Рік тому +64

    Yep. I discovered this when I was restoring an older model car when the park lights went out. Long story short, the Amazon fuse did NOT blow, the result being almost burning out the wiring for the lights (found out to be a bad ground and fixed it). Ended up buying a pack of fuses from the local electronics store, never had a problem to this DAY.

    • @brandonhoffman4712
      @brandonhoffman4712 Рік тому +1

      I would have ordered all the wires and fittings for the repair. Then file claims on all of it with various complaints while retaining what I needed from the order.
      For instance, the wire. Buy a 100 foot roll, claim it was already opened, even though I opened it and used the wire I needed.
      On the crimp fittings. (Buy good ones!) A 100 pack or so. Then claim the packaging was opened. Again, this was you, not the whoever your blaming.
      Amazon needs to pay for this crap. If not them then their retailers. All using their own system. This is how I would hold them accountable, while also pushing hard on customer service and possibly contacting a lawyer.

  • @ppkus
    @ppkus 11 місяців тому +3

    Specially because they have the flag "AMAZON CHOICE" which before watching your video I thought that the flag meant something... Like amazon picks one because it is the best one available at the moment or because amazon tested and agrees that it is good enough to deserve the "AMAZON CHOICE" flag... Thanks for the video! VERY IMPORTANT, I THINK ALL AMAZON EXECUTIVES SHOULD WATCH THIS!

  • @ahmednasrulla4766
    @ahmednasrulla4766 Рік тому +49

    Those are some high quality fuses. Can even deliver 3 times their rated amps

  • @thenayancat8802
    @thenayancat8802 Рік тому +184

    Regulators absolutely need to step in here. Otherwise there's going to be a lawsuit or class action when somebody uses something like this and it ends in an incident that kills people

    • @chrisdavidson911
      @chrisdavidson911 Рік тому +11

      Substandard parts has been an issue for a long time, "check it before you fit it" shouldn't be necessary but it really is.

    • @robertsmith2956
      @robertsmith2956 Рік тому +8

      They also have circuit breakers with nothing inside them the only way they trip is they melt.

    • @Exarhadsgfds
      @Exarhadsgfds Рік тому

      1. Amazon probably can't be blamed for the products they sell failing, that's the manafacturer's fault
      2. The manafacturer is based in China and is probably effectively out of reach of the US court
      So a law suit will probably fail before it even starts.

    • @michasokoowski6651
      @michasokoowski6651 Рік тому +11

      Yeah, there will be. Brand will be out of amazon, they will be unable to prosecute producent for damages because they are in china and they wont be able to prosecute amazon because they arent liable for what is sold on their website.
      But worry not, the producent will rebrand and will continue selling on amazon under different name.
      This game was already played and until law changes you can't do anything about it.

    • @giglioflex
      @giglioflex Рік тому +1

      I think that's why Amazon likes Chinese sellers. If something does happen Amazon can simply blame the seller and take down the product. Meanwhile it's impossible for the government to punish Chinese sellers who will then go on to list the same product under a different brand name. It's a game of whack-a-mole enabled by Amazon that allows them to sell dangerous products with impunity. Amazon does have a legal obligation to take down unsafe products after they've been publicly made aware that they are unsafe but unfortunately due to the above it's easy for them to get around that.

  • @mittensfastpaw
    @mittensfastpaw 11 місяців тому +4

    Yep, I've tried to leave reviews on things in the past as well. They always flagged them with some bullshit to keep them from posting. Every single low review was never posted.
    I don't use Amazon anymore.

  • @vincei4252
    @vincei4252 Рік тому +78

    Amazon has been speed running my departure for the last couple years. Just started watching this video but I totally know what the outcome will be. I canceled Prime after being told I have to pay for ads on Prime Video even though most everything (movies, etc) on Prime Video is now pay to watch anyway.

    • @Tilt_TM
      @Tilt_TM Рік тому

      I'm in the exact same boat. Amazon used to be fantastic but it has devolved into AliExpress with next day free shipping

    • @TestGearJunkie.
      @TestGearJunkie. Рік тому

      I remember when it was Lovefilm and £5 a month for as much as you could watch.

  • @TTS-TP
    @TTS-TP Рік тому +81

    I love that you're putting the voice out there about this mess. It's amazing how many people are not aware of how bad it is

    • @Novastar.SaberCombat
      @Novastar.SaberCombat 11 місяців тому

      I've tried for YEARS to warn people about fake reviews, deleted legit reviews, and the scamming ways of the 'Zon. But nope... I was always mocked, blocked, cajoled, trolled, and socially restricted. 💪😎✌️ That's how a dictatorship functions, baby!

  • @simonluce2994
    @simonluce2994 11 місяців тому +8

    I had the same experience with a pack of UK fuses I bought from Amazon. I had a 3amp fuse blow in a Samsung TV, so I bought a set to see if it would blow again. Guess what, the 16 amp breaker went instead and the replacement 3 amp fuse was still good. Never buying this type of product from Amazon again.

  • @Godsavethecrumpets
    @Godsavethecrumpets Рік тому +20

    I once posted a review saying I though the halogen bulbs I bought were fakes because of the low quality packaging only time my review has ever been removed from amazon.

  • @handles_are_dumb_01
    @handles_are_dumb_01 Рік тому +94

    One thing I would have liked to see was a comparison to something like a Bussmann fuse that you might pick up at your local autozone store, just so we can see what the "expected" behavior is.

    • @volvo09
      @volvo09 Рік тому +19

      Expected behavior is a 2A fuse blowing within a second at 3A, and even faster at higher currents

    • @handles_are_dumb_01
      @handles_are_dumb_01 Рік тому

      @@volvo09 Fair enough. When I first posted this I didn't consider that the data sheet is readily available for brand name fuses.
      Interestingly, the "less than a second" isn't even guaranteed on brand name Bussmann fuses. The spec sheet says, @200%, the minimum blow time is 0.15 seconds - but the maximum is 5 seconds.
      www.eaton.com/content/dam/eaton/products/electrical-circuit-protection/fuses/bussmann-series-supplemental-fuses/automotive-blade-type/bus-ele-ds-2048-atm-series.pdf

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 Рік тому +23

      expected behaviour is not hard to guess for a fuse, but yeah showing "real fuses" vs "china fuses" would help bring the point home

    • @Monkeh616
      @Monkeh616 Рік тому +6

      @@volvo09 Could take up to about a minute at 3A for this type of fuse. At 4A it should be under 5s.

    • @tolkienfan1972
      @tolkienfan1972 Рік тому

      Good idea

  • @Zullfix
    @Zullfix 11 місяців тому +7

    I thank you very much for this series Louis. Several months ago, I lost the AC fuse from my car's fusebox and had to get a new one from the hardware store. I went to 3 different stores before I found any that were in stock, and was at the point where I considered just ordering a pack off amazon. The results of this test has made me VERY glad that I did not proceed with ordering on amazon.

  • @headphonesuser1234
    @headphonesuser1234 Рік тому +42

    Im going to stop using amazon and encourage my family to do the same because it is clear to me now that shopping from amazon has a good chance of endangering my life. Thank you for your hard work Louis.

  • @Tyrian3k
    @Tyrian3k Рік тому +102

    It's really telling when there's no way for a customer to distinguish between a good and bad product on Amazon. It is good that good fuses actually exist on there, like you've shown, but if they're effectively the same rating on there and cost 5% more than the crappy ones, people will flock to the crappy ones.

    • @Xershade
      @Xershade 11 місяців тому +7

      Yeah, he went over that as well. People will buy the cheaper product, even if it's going to cost them more or kill them. It's why my family member don't do second hand or "economy" brand crap for our cars, our lives aren't worth saving a few bucks.
      Heck I think Louis explained he won't sell on Amazon because people were buying a "cheaper" screen for their laptop, that was the wrong screen and wouldn't work in their device, smash it trying to get it to work, then refund it before he could even explain to Amazon why the customer is stupid. He even put a disclaimer on that specific screen saying IT WILL NOT WORK with what customers were trying to use it for.
      So he's the asshole because customer's are stupid, buying the wrong parts after being explicitly told what they can't use it for, but buy it anyways and destroy it trying to install it incorrectly because "it's cheaper". But what does the guy who does this for a living know, it's clearly his fault the customer bough the wrong product and destroyed it trying to use it for something he literally said it can't be used for.

    • @tobbleboii5988
      @tobbleboii5988 11 місяців тому +12

      be real careful buying more expensive products and expecting them to work better. That's not how the game works.
      vendors can and do raise prices to justify imaginary quality. If the price is what indicates quality for you, you will start to chase your own tail.
      if the product is not safety critical and/or you can verify that it works, just test it. If it doesn't, send it back and leave a bad review. That way producing bad products is less sustainable. But nowadays lots of people just buy the more expensive option, which is a double win for crappy venors. They can still sell shitty/dangerous products and make more money per sell

    • @JohnSmith-fq3rg
      @JohnSmith-fq3rg 11 місяців тому

      ​@@Xershade It's also very hard to find the description on amazon for a product, their layout is absolute zoomer distraction garbage, it has so many banners of other products and sponsers and shit I'm suprised a subway runners or minecraft parkour video isn't playing too. Go to any normal website and go to a product page and you get a name, a picture or more, a price, and maybe even the model number up on the top if it's industrial, and a brief product description, then you scroll down and get all the product specs, model numbers, tolerances, datasheets and everything you need. It's very hard to know what you're getting on amazon is exactly what you are looking for beyond reading the title and lookinf at the pictures, most don't have extra information posted and some listings were put up by a retard who copy pasted the same thing from the last listing he put just up and didn't notice.

    • @LordStraightBanana
      @LordStraightBanana 11 місяців тому +1

      Anyone who buys on price alone deserves what they get.
      They know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

    • @dino6627
      @dino6627 11 місяців тому +5

      It is not enough to just buy reputable brands as there are so many fakes, but also to buy from a reputable supplier.
      I have seen exactly the same product listed for around 10 times the price to catch out the 'expensive must be better' buyer.

  • @AstrobotJones
    @AstrobotJones 11 місяців тому +53

    You, Sir, are doing amazing work with this investigation and exposure. It's time we hold these online retailers to account.

    • @underscore6071
      @underscore6071 11 місяців тому

      Oh yea amazing work on being so ignorant to how fuses work. For an electrical engineer to be this ignorant? Has to be purposeful. How can he not know fuses have something called a time-current curve. Hell look at the time-current curve for littelfuse, american made good fuses. Their 30A rated mini fuse takes around 90A anything lower than 80 could take up to 15 minutes to blow the fuse. It's literally how fuses are designed to work.
      He's just mad amazon deactivated his account for being a shitty person so he has went on a smear campaign against them. Only he just thought he was smarter than he is as it turns out he doesn't know how a fuse works.

    • @sixter4157
      @sixter4157 11 місяців тому +1

      @@underscore6071 Yup. Their datasheet for their automotive 2amp fuse says it will blow in 0.6 seconds at 4amps. An 8amp load should blow the fuse in about 0.08 seconds. Their 30amp automotive fuse takes 20 seconds to blow at 60amps.

    • @jer280
      @jer280 11 місяців тому

      My only criticism of Luis is that I wish he had gone to a local national chain and bought some for the same price and tested them as well, that way we could see how the "good ones" work.

    • @jer280
      @jer280 11 місяців тому

      ​@@underscore6071you're obsessed, you're literally needlessly calling him a shitty person even tho he's not done anything wrong. Are you the state of NY?

    • @underscore6071
      @underscore6071 11 місяців тому

      ​@@jer280 I mean look at what he's doing. He made such an ignorant video and is misleading people and for what? Is it because amazon banned his affiliates account because he thought he was all high and mighty and untouchable? That's his own fault for slandering amazon the way he did and thinking he was somehow untouchable.
      I'm obsessed for pointing out to people that he doesn't know how a fuse works in this video? People should know how fuses work since it will keep them safe and not ignorant. He won't even acknowledge it after it's been pointed out. Shows how much he gives a shit about educating compared to slandering.

  • @theprofessorfeather
    @theprofessorfeather Рік тому +35

    I never would have thought the review system was so fraudulent. This absolutely will change what and if i buy anything from amazon.

    • @SayAhh
      @SayAhh Рік тому +1

      We should have asked Santa to bring Radio Shack back for Christmas.

    • @FuturesPast1
      @FuturesPast1 Рік тому +2

      The Chinese sellers are very sneaky. Most of the positive reviews are a scam. The sellers have hundreds of people buy their products so they are allowed to leave reviews. When the people leave a positive review, the sellers give them their money back via PayPal and let them keep the item for free. Once they get enough positive reviews they stop giving the products away for free and then get on the first page of the search results.
      A friend of mine used to be in a network of thousands of Americans that would get hundreds of free items from Chinese Amazon sellers who got their money back via PayPal in exchange for a positive review for the sellers. The main goal for these sellers is to end up on page one of the Amazon search results and this is how they accomplish that. Amazon cannot police this and it goes under their radar.

    • @FuturesPast1
      @FuturesPast1 11 місяців тому +2

      I also forgot to mention that when enough people were onto them and the product failed and regular people bought them and started leaving negative reviews, the sellers would change their weird Chinese brand name from something like BallSacki to CockSacki. Then they would make a whole new product listing for the same product under a different brand name. Next they would do the same thing by giving out free products, with the same people they worked with before and giving them money back via PayPal and hundreds of people would leave fake positive reviews. Within a week they would be back on the first page of results. Most of the reviews are definitely fake and paid for.

  • @jessicav2031
    @jessicav2031 Рік тому +15

    An automotive 2A fuse passing 3A should blow in ~2 seconds average, at 4A it should be an absolute maximum of 5 seconds. Uh, crap. I actually used some of these. Thanks for making more work for me, Louis, now I have to go open up some car fuseboxes and replace them! I feel like an idiot.

    • @rossmanngroup
      @rossmanngroup  Рік тому +14

      You are not an idiot, tons of smart people believe we still live in a high trust society, and companies like this take advantage of that. I will never make fun of you for believing that multi-trillion dollar companies are held to the same standard as my electronics shop. but I will point it out every chance I get!
      Thanks for watching.

    • @JimJohnson-w4p
      @JimJohnson-w4p Рік тому +1

      Don't thank Louis, thank Amazon. The company with a shit-eating grin for a logo.😏

    • @jessicav2031
      @jessicav2031 Рік тому +3

      @@rossmanngroup The thing is, it's not like I am unaware of junk products! In the end it comes down to "I need one now" added to some mental calculation about how likely they would be to make this product a scam. I think at this point, we are all doing that calculation, right? It's pretty sad. Thanks for testing these.

    • @rodiculous9464
      @rodiculous9464 11 місяців тому

      ​@@rossmanngroupyou nailed it dude, we are basically a low trust society, we are maybe not quite china tier but getting there fast. And go figure, they make all our stuff for us because we are too fat stupid and lazy to make it ourselves

    • @thardyryll
      @thardyryll 11 місяців тому +1

      The solution is easy enough. If you haven’t heard of the company and the product is any way safety related, don’t buy it. Socks yes, fuses no. The Chinese will do and say anything, as often as not in scrambled English, to sell their merchandise.

  • @QmeteK
    @QmeteK 11 місяців тому +8

    Dude i was just ordering one of those fuse sets when i saw your video. Thanks for the excellent service you provide. Potential disaster averted. thank you so much for exposing such scams. You are a GOAT :)

  • @cameronbatko
    @cameronbatko Рік тому +77

    This was a very interesting video. As someone without a lot of electronics experience you did a great job of explaining your experiment.

    • @rossmanngroup
      @rossmanngroup  Рік тому +19

      Thank you!

    • @SayAhh
      @SayAhh Рік тому +4

      ​@@rossmanngroup Also, by saying "don't take my word for it" and to encourage them to independently verify it for themselves means that any skeptic from any state or any country that Amazon ships to can replicate this experiment. Bring. Back. Radio. Shack!

    • @nobodyimportant2470
      @nobodyimportant2470 Рік тому +1

      @@SayAhh It still exists. For a while it was down to less than 20 locations in the US. The current parent company is looking at reviving the brand

    • @MrPig40
      @MrPig40 Рік тому

      ​@@nobodyimportant2470I've heard that too. I'm a Ham Radio guy and we are all rooting for a comeback.

    • @vincei4252
      @vincei4252 11 місяців тому

      @@nobodyimportant2470 I think what is left of Radio Shack is a vehicle for scamming crypto

  • @syrenadurager
    @syrenadurager Рік тому +81

    You are not some random internet youtuber, This is what you do and we see and trust you. You show the results and the outcomes. Thank you Louis. We appreciate everything you have done to expose this corrupt world of tech, right to repair and so much more. Ive never been to NY and seeing things now I never will, lol. Another great video. thank you.☺

  • @JourneysADRIFT
    @JourneysADRIFT 11 місяців тому +7

    Not only do you call out shit practices, you're willing to be honest and show a product that doesnt support that narrative. Truly top tier human.

  • @Psiclone
    @Psiclone Рік тому +22

    I've bought automotive fuses on Amazon for my van build and I'm going to rip them out asap. I've also got an 150AMP ANL fuse protecting my utility batteries and the idea it might not blow scares me. Thank you for this video.

    • @User9681e
      @User9681e Рік тому

      This video will save a million of people from dangerous products

  • @DefiantStorage1009
    @DefiantStorage1009 Рік тому +66

    Louis, you need to get an electronic load. It's like the opposite of a power supply - you dial in how much current (or watts) you want it to consume and it controls its own resistance to match that. $500 gets you a unit that can consume 0-60A, more money gets you milliamp-level resolution. Honestly impressive the number of times it comes in handy, and it's shocking that most people don't know about them.

    • @IanBPPK
      @IanBPPK Рік тому +28

      Rather than that, I'd like a collab with Electroboom testing a whole gamut of fuses and other "Amazon's Choice" tinkerer parts.

    • @danielbettac6637
      @danielbettac6637 Рік тому +20

      I imagine he used what he had available in his workshop. Not much use for an electronic load in his everyday work.

    • @Humongous_Pig_Benis
      @Humongous_Pig_Benis Рік тому

      @@IanBPPK Electboom and fuses? That's a ha ha, not shocking.

    • @Catrik
      @Catrik Рік тому +2

      How is that any different to this test or provide a better test result?

    • @sycration
      @sycration Рік тому +4

      just easier @@Catrik

  • @SmoothIsFast791
    @SmoothIsFast791 11 місяців тому +10

    Can I make a recommendation? Just put one power supply in constant current mode and connect it directly to the fuse. You don't need voltage, or to dissipate power in the resistors for the fuse to blow, and they don't limit power, only current.
    Just turn up the current until the fuse pops.

    • @citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936
      @citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936 11 місяців тому

      Louis was trying to emulate an actual circuit, as we would find in the wild; rather than create a light bulb from the fuse. The resister is the load, not the fuse..... the fuse must sever when the LOAD exceeds the fuse rating. Creating a direct short might muddle the results....... meaning these fuses likely would allow a greater draw that if shorted out directly. Maybe, for the purpose of a test, a short is the same as a completed circuit, I am a locksmith, not an elekchicken! Can we call Bussman or Littlefuse, and have then chime in here? It would really be interesting to get their input.

    • @SmoothIsFast791
      @SmoothIsFast791 11 місяців тому +1

      @@citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936 I'm an electrical engineer, you are wrong.

    • @citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936
      @citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936 11 місяців тому

      PLEASE correct my error, so we all can learn. @@SmoothIsFast791

    • @MattsRanger
      @MattsRanger 10 місяців тому

      Did you not listen to his comments on peanut gallery? If he did as you suggested, somebody would complain it's not a real world test. Engineers! Sheesh. Louis did a fine job. I'm a mere machinist & trade schooled '94+ high school '92 electric curriculum. I'm always fanatic about my crimps when I use them. I did have a similar issue with an Amazon window defroster. Junk. It wiped out a 20A Dodge Ram socket. I used that heater about 3 times as I recall.

    • @SmoothIsFast791
      @SmoothIsFast791 10 місяців тому +1

      @@MattsRangerForgive me for not wanting to argue with someone who couldn't spell resistor earlier. You, I'll make an effort for though. All tests are by definition not real world, they are tests. Fuses blow based on current, fuse voltage ratings are there for other factors like arc protection and insulation. What Louis is demonstrating is not a "real world test" but he is instead demonstrating a fundamental misunderstanding of how electronics work. This is not particularly complicated stuff, I only identified myself as an engineer because I didn't feel like arguing, and because it gives me some credibility that I know what I'm talking about when it comes to electronics, just like I assume you know what you're talking about when it comes to machining.
      So, let me break it down. Fuses blow when they heat up. They're made up of a conductive metal with a specific melting point and a fixed resistance. Yes, they look almost like a dead short, but there is some resistance there, probably in the miliohms. Heat is produced when power is dissipated, we can calculate that with an equation, power equals current squared times resistance (P=I^2*R) where resistance is the resistance of the fuse, not of the overall circuit. You can also calculate that based on voltage, but since the resistance is constant, voltage and current will always be proportional in the fuse according to ohm's law V=IR. So, current in the fuse causes heating, heating blows the fuse. The overall voltage of the circuit is inconsequential, only the resistance and current in the fuse matter.
      So... in a "real world test", we don't need resistors to act as a load, just test the fuse according to it's design specifications and we can see whether it performs as advertised. Now, if you were testing the fuse's voltage rating and arc resistance, then you would need the resistive load. But since we're only testing the fuse's rated current, we don't need a load.

  • @smoothjamie4046
    @smoothjamie4046 Рік тому +33

    100% agree. I'm increasingly caught out with fake components on amazon. My last order was a fake bunch of LM317 regulators. I order from RS in the UK now which is pretty expensive but you always get a datasheet and get exactly what you order.

    • @MazeFrame
      @MazeFrame Рік тому +4

      I'll gladly pay three times what Amazon asks just to get the real component on my first purchase.

    • @pontiacg445
      @pontiacg445 11 місяців тому +3

      I learned that the hard way, A bunch of expensive genuine components stuck to a board littered with just a few knockoff pieces that don't work is still worth nothing. In fact, a bunch of money was wasted trying to be cheap. Never again.
      At least you can buy linear regulators at the major suppliers again, unlike the dark years...

    • @LeverPhile
      @LeverPhile 11 місяців тому

      Same thing with auto parts on Amazon. Lots of junk and even counterfeits of reputable brands.

  • @HeroGuy3
    @HeroGuy3 Рік тому +34

    4 stars: Had to dock a point due to the funky smell but it works great! I've been using this fuse for a week now and never had to replace it. Very robust. It's just a shame it emits a faint odor. Perfect for outdoor use

    • @dmitripogosian5084
      @dmitripogosian5084 11 місяців тому +3

      Robust fuse - it is not clear whether it is good or bad :)

    • @steveblanchard7293
      @steveblanchard7293 11 місяців тому +6

      It's in my car, when driving there is a faint smell, but it cured the problem when driving with lights on... The smell goes when I have the windows open. 5* and praise to the seller for shipping to me so quickly. I had confirmation the order was at my front door and I didn't even hear the Amazon delivery person - what a hero.

    • @jasonriddell
      @jasonriddell 11 місяців тому +5

      @@steveblanchard7293 6 star fuse becomes winter heater and helped heat the car every time my lights would go dim that is a BONUS feature BRAVO

    • @ЭрикКартман-ч4ю
      @ЭрикКартман-ч4ю 11 місяців тому

      In Soviet Russia we have this special fuse. If it goes down, you know you won't make it to the door.

  • @chutcentral
    @chutcentral 11 місяців тому +8

    "Louis goes to take a piss" was by far my favorite part of the video.
    Riveting.

  • @DMS20231
    @DMS20231 Рік тому +110

    What we need are laws making marketplaces like Amazon responsible for the items they sell. If Amazon is the company that charges your card, Amazon, not the third party supplier, should be considered the actual seller.

    • @hubertnnn
      @hubertnnn 11 місяців тому +23

      Ignore the card.
      If Amazon is modifying the comments and scores (by deleting some of them), then they are endorsing and selling those products.
      So if they sell, endorse and lie, then they should be taking responsibility for any dangers that product causes.

    • @LeverPhile
      @LeverPhile 11 місяців тому +9

      Consumer products liability applies to all levels of the distribution chain, including the final retail seller (Amazon).

    • @andybrice2711
      @andybrice2711 11 місяців тому +2

      I'm not sure about that. That would make stores legally liable for all the products they stock. And absolve the manufacturers. I don't think small retailers could survive that. There should be some level of shared responsibility.

    • @LeverPhile
      @LeverPhile 11 місяців тому

      @@andybrice2711 Look it up ... at least under California law (and many or most other states also). Manufacturers are not absolved of liability by suing a retailer. They are usually the ones sued but technically everyone in the chain of distribution can be sued for defective products sold (maker, distributor and retailer) and held full or partially liable.
      Here Amazon would be the deep pocket and thus a good defendant. Plus easier to sue and serve a lawsuit on than the fuse manufacturer in China.

    • @virtueofhate1778
      @virtueofhate1778 11 місяців тому +2

      ​@@andybrice2711 Well, that's how it's been here in the civilized world for decades.

  • @stefantrethan
    @stefantrethan Рік тому +62

    Be careful when overheating those aluminium housed resistors, they can go off violently and fire the potting material out the ends like a shotgun.
    The old ones with a sand/cement fill died quietly, but the newer ones with black (epoxy?) potting build pressure and can go out with quite a bang.

    • @GregorVogel
      @GregorVogel Рік тому

      Don't worry. He bought some quality ones from the well known brand xoucsfdcxiocn off of Amazon.

    • @MazeFrame
      @MazeFrame Рік тому +5

      The heatsink-case is the hint with those, they want to be screwed to a large heatsink.

    • @shaynegadsden
      @shaynegadsden 11 місяців тому

      They were 100w resisitors only taking 65ish w

    • @mattmurphy7030
      @mattmurphy7030 11 місяців тому +1

      @@shaynegadsden32V * 6A is 192W

    • @stefantrethan
      @stefantrethan 11 місяців тому +2

      @@shaynegadsden They only have rated power when screwed to a sufficient heatsink, otherwise much, much less, read the datasheet.

  • @erintyres3609
    @erintyres3609 9 місяців тому +1

    15:15 That's right, many of us in the peanut gallery do not expect a two amp fuse to blow at 1.99 amps or at 2.01 amps. But Louis is right that eight amps is certainly not acceptable.

  • @jonchowe
    @jonchowe Рік тому +13

    I know so little about electronics I was impressed at first at how hardy the fuses are, until i finally realized what fuses are probably for.

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 Рік тому +4

      yeah, the fuse should hold right up the point it should blow and not one step further

  • @vinkuu
    @vinkuu Рік тому +187

    Fuses are kind of a big deal. I would prefer that a fuse lights up rather than the wiring of my motorcycle.

    • @erik_dk842
      @erik_dk842 Рік тому +16

      I can attest to that. I had a whole motorcycle wiring harness burn up under me while riding, because the previous owner had replaced the original fuse link with a much bigger one, to cope with an intermittent short circuit, unknown to me.

    • @robertsmith2956
      @robertsmith2956 Рік тому +2

      Wouldn't that be unsafe having the rubber cap open?
      I think these should have metal posts out the top so the spark can go up the rod when they are on. Like the old mad scientist labs......

    • @thehuguenot5615
      @thehuguenot5615 Рік тому +7

      Or my 400k house that I finally spent a couple of decades paying off. That would suck... a 5 cent fuse from china made me go homeless.

    • @Cheepchipsable
      @Cheepchipsable Рік тому +3

      The point of a fuse is it is a deigned failure point in a circuit.

    • @Dan_Tactics
      @Dan_Tactics Рік тому

      ​@@erik_dk842were you on Moto Madness, where a bunch of people would empty their water bottles on the bike, and start throwing handfuls of dirt onto the bike to try and put it out?

  • @inyourfacedunk
    @inyourfacedunk 11 місяців тому +30

    A big problem with reviews on Amazon and sites like it is that people are encouraged to leave reviews as soon as the item arrives.
    Very rarely do I see long term reviews on the site.
    People just seem happy enough to give things 5 stars if something arrives on time and switches on.

    • @armadillito
      @armadillito 11 місяців тому +5

      Yes! The very worst problem is worthless real reviews.

    • @LAndrewsChannel
      @LAndrewsChannel 11 місяців тому +3

      I actually had a great surprise with a local online tyre retailer that after a few months sent an email asking for a review. They actually realised that you can't really have an opinion on a product after you just received it unlike 99.99% of online retailers that want a review pretty much as soon as you got the product.

    • @LackofFaithify
      @LackofFaithify 10 місяців тому +1

      I haven't used the product yet, but it seems solidly built!

    • @eggplant000
      @eggplant000 3 місяці тому

      Long term reviews that are critical in any way get removed

  • @Danielzabojca
    @Danielzabojca Рік тому +24

    Thanks for all the educational stuff you keep making! I live in the EU, but learning new things and hearing you expose the shitty stuff companies do worldwide always teach my University-student brain things I never would've found out otherwise (before it was too late probably)!

  • @jorge10928
    @jorge10928 Рік тому +90

    I've ordered a few items where Amazon has sent me a recall notice a few months later asking me to throw the product out. The worst one was a hair dryer brush I purchased as a gift for my mom and apparently there was a risk of electrocution if water got to some parts of it. The brush was marketed as a hair dryer brush combo that would dry your wet hair as you brushed it so I was very surprised when I got the recall notice. The product was thrown out and Amazon sent me a full refund for it.

    • @MonkeyJedi99
      @MonkeyJedi99 11 місяців тому +28

      I wonder how many hospital/morgue trips were behind THAT recall?

    • @fightingblind
      @fightingblind 11 місяців тому +14

      I got a salmonella recall from Amazon for a box of cereal bars i had eaten a month before 😂

    • @balsalmalberto8086
      @balsalmalberto8086 11 місяців тому +3

      My mom bought one for my niece, but not from amazon. Gotta tell her about this. What is the others that got a recall?

    • @jorge10928
      @jorge10928 11 місяців тому

      @@balsalmalberto8086 Another one I remember was a replacement laptop charger. It got recalled because it was a fire hazard lol. As for the brush, it was some off brand one that had 4.5 stars and almost 3,000 reviews with people praising it - which is the whole point of this video that consumers are being misled into buying unsafe products because of how Amazon works.

    • @chlyon
      @chlyon 11 місяців тому +2

      I fail to see the down side :) Jk

  • @Red-fr3ix
    @Red-fr3ix 11 місяців тому +1

    I have some Riseuvo Amazon fuses in my motorcycle so I guess now it's time to go to Home Depot and replace all of them. Thanks Louis! You're awesome!

  • @celeriumlerium8266
    @celeriumlerium8266 Рік тому +11

    I really liked the part where you washed your hands. Great work.

  • @Rabid-Polyphia-Fan
    @Rabid-Polyphia-Fan 11 місяців тому +55

    Very alarming. Many people myself included have placed a lot of stock in Amazon reviews, especially where there are a large number. Its not just the issue of fuses and crimps. It brings into question everything on Amazon. This really complicates things for consumers. I can adapt as doing research and comparing different sources is something I'm good at, but the average consumer is screwed.

    • @likebot.
      @likebot. 11 місяців тому +5

      placing trust in reviews is trusting advice from total strangers
      it's best to never pay attention to reviews of anything - music, doctors, YT videos, vehicles, restaurants, movies...
      the best testament to value or quality is staying power and reviews is just strangers saying "trust me bro"

    • @jasonriddell
      @jasonriddell 11 місяців тому +7

      @@likebot. and a review for "technical" stuff on a NON technical platform
      most users ordered box of fuses and plugged the fuse with the right number and whatever worked again so 100% satisfactory and SHOULD get a 4+ rating BUT they dont know HOW to test and are EXPECTING to NOT NEED to test them
      in this case the rating are TRUE and MISLEADING at the same time

    • @likebot.
      @likebot. 11 місяців тому +3

      @@jasonriddell Most people are unqualified to give a sufficient review.

    • @johnlocke3481
      @johnlocke3481 11 місяців тому +1

      I’m actually blown away that anyone out there hasn’t realized this by now. I thought this was mainstream knowledge.

    • @kittenisageek
      @kittenisageek 11 місяців тому +9

      Years ago, reviews worked as a way to tell real products from trash. Then around 2015 or so I noticed that real quality products had lower average reviews than fake items. Around 2017 or so, Amazon started pushing the trash products in their recommendations. Today it is very difficult to find good products on Amazon unless you already know which companies provide good products.

  • @rkgsd
    @rkgsd 11 місяців тому +3

    Radio Shack was my go to place for electronic parts decades ago. Fry's Electronics was where I got parts from after that. Now that they're both gone, this is what we have to to deal with.
    I've never been a fan of allowing other businesses to sell on Amazon. Half of those sellers don't even box the items properly. I can accept the sellers whose products are fulfilled by Amazon meaning they are boxed in an Amazon warehouse, but not the ones who ship directly from those sellers thereby bypassing Amazon altogether.
    Walmart started doing the same practice on their website with its "marketplace". In fact it's often hard to distinguish the "shipped and sold by Walmart" items from the 3rd party sellers.
    As far as this being the downfall of Amazon, I'm afraid it will take a lot more than that to hurt them.

  • @GSBarlev
    @GSBarlev Рік тому +65

    The German electrician and UA-camr _Great Scott!_ has an entire series where he finds hidden gems on various bottom-of-the-barrel eCommerce platforms.
    It's essentially roulette. The trick is that since he's an electrician with a ton of testing equipment, he can verify with his purchases that it'll never be of the _Russian_ variety.

    • @martenkahr3365
      @martenkahr3365 Рік тому +24

      The really dumb thing is that there are plenty of idiots who see fuses as some garbage that gets in the way of getting power delivered to their equipment. These are people who would legitimately give a favorable review on a fuse that "can handle" more current than the label actually says it can, while still passing superficial safety inspections/audits, because they actually think this is a good thing because it means they won't need to replace the fuse as often.

    • @PiratePawsLive
      @PiratePawsLive Рік тому +1

      @@martenkahr3365 🤣 I can see some moron doing what you describe. If your fuse blows every time, maybe look at your circuit again, then there is something most likely wrong with it. Never would buy fuses on Amazon, always mouser or digikey. The breakout boards and prototype pcb's are fine tho, not much one can mess up on those and got several stacks of them xD.

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 Рік тому

      @@martenkahr3365 this is the classic people that overrides fuses with big wire or other metal parts. Let them do it, it just means their equipment breaks more often and they have to call a tech for repairs.

  • @22turbo2
    @22turbo2 Рік тому +26

    Great video, Louis. I looked up the datasheet for a brand name fuse, and the 2A version should have opened in 0.1s at 6 amps if it was designed correctly. Yikes!

  • @akwalek
    @akwalek 11 місяців тому +2

    "I'm going to go over to the bathroom and take a piss"
    You even timestamped it. Haha you're great Louis.
    Seriously though, i'm through with Amazon.

  • @piast99
    @piast99 Рік тому +93

    OK. A 2A fuse should not blow at 2A current. But overloading a car fuse at 200% of its rated current should blow it in a second. At least that's what the data sheets for documented fuses say.

    • @Darca1n
      @Darca1n Рік тому +4

      I think it's probably less about it breaking and more how it breaks, or to be more specific, whether it breaking poses additional danger.

    • @tobi_n
      @tobi_n Рік тому +15

      I just looked at a data sheet from Littlefuse. Their automotive fuses blow after 0.3 seconds if you expose them to double their rated current.

    • @vinvinvichii
      @vinvinvichii Рік тому +9

      @@tobi_nand these were easily taking 4x their load

    • @vxicepickxv
      @vxicepickxv Рік тому +5

      Slow blow fuses are perfectly fine if you're putting them on that type of circuit.
      Being steady at +100٪ or more power rating is a serious problem.

    • @gloriousapplebees
      @gloriousapplebees Рік тому

      Glad someone pointed this out just for everyone's knowledge. Thanks so much!

  • @dgo4490
    @dgo4490 Рік тому +45

    It is probably easier to change the color than to change the wire. It is kinda hard to unintentionally produce a part so far out of spec. Is there by a chance a number of different colors that burn at the exact same threshold?

    • @jakobstengard3672
      @jakobstengard3672 Рік тому +7

      Yeah they probably just took 10 A fuses with different colors and put them into a set.
      And the guy who did this was probably chinese.

    • @JannePaalijarvi
      @JannePaalijarvi Рік тому +1

      @@jakobstengard3672 My thoughts exactly. "Hey it is the same metal anyway, why bother?" Also no QA, or just blatant ignorance of a major fuck-up. Totally disgusting.

    • @leonro
      @leonro Рік тому

      ​@@jakobstengard3672Eh, while the Chinese government is horrible and racist, and while I don't trust any of the large Chinese companies, you can't just blame all of the evil in the world on a nation. We don't know if the fuses were sold like this from China or if it was a batch of 10A fuses, and the person who knowingly sells defective goods to end consumers (due to deleted reviews) is likely living in the USA.

    • @TwinShards
      @TwinShards Рік тому

      Normally you should expect all fuse of X rating to have the same color, aka 10amp=red (but may have different color shade)
      The 2amp that blew up at 8-10 was definitely iron-based. Any good fuse in the style you put in a car will use metals that have a lower or equal to melting point than/to Tin. Any small fuse will have a low melting point metal (less than ~500°c)

    • @correcthoarsebatterystaple
      @correcthoarsebatterystaple Рік тому

      Isn’t there a number on the end as well?

  • @cooliocrib4409
    @cooliocrib4409 11 місяців тому +2

    I purchased the Jorest fuses from there and found the same thing. I left a bad review explaining my findings. I emailed amazon a complaint. They replied with rubbish and Amazon also removed my bad review.

  • @imnota
    @imnota Рік тому +8

    I was surprised at the crimps video because I've had different personal experiences, but I can confirm what you demonstrated here.
    I've had fuses provided with cheap chinese products fail me multiple times, for example I've had a fuse for a 3d printer melt the plastic casing and the holder as well before it eventually blew, but the best part is that there was nothing wrong with the printer, nothing that made it go past the normal current rating, replaced the holder and fuse with one found at a local auto parts store, same rating and never had an issue again.
    I've had others not blow when there was a short, leading to a current probably ten fold the rating of the fuse.

  • @dalfifran7572
    @dalfifran7572 Рік тому +15

    Unfortunately this happened not only at Amazon or Ebay, but all over online market.
    I'm not electrician and not using many of that product, but i do outdoor sports and noticed the same thing over outdoor safety gear/equipment.
    It just horrifiy me to see they sell untested/unregulated kernmantle rope, harness, carabiner, etc... *a safety gear that you need to depend, and hang on your life onto it, quite literally...*
    Yes, it is much much cheaper than a trusted brand like Petzl, Beal, Black Diamond, etc...
    But product from those brand are more expensive for a reason, they are certified after rigurous testing to pass standard from regulatory body such UIAA.

    • @matthewmosier8439
      @matthewmosier8439 Рік тому +1

      And regs are part of why those good products are more expensive.
      Regs backfire because people will just go build stuff where there are no regs then swamp the market with it, undermining companies who are following the regs

    • @dalfifran7572
      @dalfifran7572 Рік тому

      @@matthewmosier8439 True, regs play part to make it more expensive.
      For things like apparel, gadget, or lifestyle goodies, i really don't care much if they don't exactly follow the regs and code.
      But for product and safety equipment, which on this case not only figuratively, but literally... that your life depend on it...
      It just mindblowing to see they sell it so carefree...
      Many times not even bother to put disclaimer that some of those knockoff things are practically "gimmick" and not intended for safety gear.

    • @SayAhh
      @SayAhh Рік тому +1

      Sadder is when people and companies are forced to save money and/or meet deadlines and buy/use inferior parts or cheat on safety or performance tests, e.g., Samsung, VW, Cummings, Toyota/Daihatsu, etc.

  • @joncooke158
    @joncooke158 11 місяців тому +5

    I really lamented Radio Shack closing, because I just knew that rank amateurs like me were never going to be able to find electronics components reliably through paper or online catalogs.

    • @LackofFaithify
      @LackofFaithify 10 місяців тому +3

      I miss being able to walk into a store and buy a resistor.

  • @markrotondella4689
    @markrotondella4689 11 місяців тому +137

    Honestly they should have their own review team doing exactly what you just did. With their profit margin it would basically be free for them to do.

    • @arokwanguo-set
      @arokwanguo-set 11 місяців тому +23

      they already replaced them all with a.i. lol

    • @Hirohitorunguard
      @Hirohitorunguard 11 місяців тому +24

      Employing people reduces profit, so that's never gonna happen

    • @Rick_237
      @Rick_237 11 місяців тому +4

      Amazon's margins aren't that great. It's been one of the major criticisms that their shareholders have had since, well, since they've had shareholders. Even if they did test one example of everything they tested (which by itself would be a monumental task and would push up prices to the point that customers would simply go to other marketplaces *ahem* eBay *ahem* and roll the dice) the volume is such that suppliers could easily slip in lower quality product for restocks at any point.

    • @76844
      @76844 11 місяців тому +3

      Should? Why have a QC department if your entire company is a shell company that'll disappear once you get any liability suit.

    • @thesuperiorshave
      @thesuperiorshave 11 місяців тому +1

      but then they'd have to try and sell less profitable quality items :-(

  • @TestECull
    @TestECull Рік тому +5

    26:12 You would be surprised. Penny pinching management types will buy these fuse kits for their technicians because it's cheaper, and that means professionals are putting these fuses in people's stuff for pay. It isn't just a DIY problem. It affects every aspect of the repair chain.

  • @mohamedaliessbai6858
    @mohamedaliessbai6858 11 місяців тому +9

    My guess would be that the factory producing those "defective" fuses has a single production line that makes 10A fuses and then they put different collors and branding as asked by the wholesalers, because the production cost for the different colored plastic is almost insignificant compared to having multiple production lines dedicated to each fuse rating.

    • @monad_tcp
      @monad_tcp 11 місяців тому +1

      I though about that too, maybe its not the factory, but someone in the long supply chain. But as a customer how are you supposed to know that ? you don't, you trust the frontend store, which is Amazon, so the only conclusion is to never trust Amazon and only buy things from them when you already what they are, or never, which is the point of the video.

    • @monad_tcp
      @monad_tcp 11 місяців тому

      The entire western society is going downhill because cheaters are eroding the trust in the system. People don't trust governments or corporations or anything, soon everything decays to chaos. Maybe that's inevitable, maybe we need a new social contract like what happened after the second world war ended, is that possible without another war, who knows.

    • @citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936
      @citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936 11 місяців тому +1

      They are apparently all hold 50 amp at 12V without popping. Reviews I have seen have tested many sizes of each brand, to find you are eXACTLY correct.... ame fuse has the color and number painted on the edge you want, all at 50A

  • @jonroberts4422
    @jonroberts4422 Рік тому +17

    Congrats on surpassing 2M subs! I picked you up in Spring 2019 and watched all of the vids. Upgraded my bench to Hakko and Aten because of you which in turn increased productivity. TY! You came a long way from soldering outdoors off an extension cord plugged into a public outlet and it's impressive to see how your journey has evolved to the point you are now able to use this channel to influence so many areas that affect your life and others besides board repair. Your self-deprecating manner has grown on me throughout the years and though you are quite humble with your success you deserve every bit of it and more as you are the true meaning of the American success story. This is vid topic is one of the many that have been on my pet peeve list which is why Amazon has never been my friend. I don't believe much will change in the end, but you will at least be reaching others that need such a PSA about poor products from their number one "store". I mentioned to someone recently how I missed Fry's since I needed some .47 ohm 1W resistors on the quick for a specific repair and now have to order them online since no one local exists thanks to Amazon's vice grip hold on the buying public. I didn't order from Amazon as others would since I don't want my money in their hands as much as possible much less the chance of low grade products going into a repair with my reputation in it. Great work as always and thanks for "teaching" as once again I learned something ;) BTW- Alex at NorthridgeFix mentioned your Wiki recently so it's gaining plenty of traction.

    • @mattmurphy7030
      @mattmurphy7030 11 місяців тому +2

      Nobody’s reading all that wtf

    • @jonroberts4422
      @jonroberts4422 11 місяців тому

      @@mattmurphy7030 You did! Thank you for your favorable reply. Louis would be proud. The internet for now is a free space and comments are just comments. Nobody reads them, but every now and then it's nice to post something positive. Especially a "book" of articulate well versed thoughts. You of course were triggered and compelled to say something negative. The studies are correct; most people are limited to 47 seconds of attention span, lacking in verbal expression, communicative to only 140 characters of less, and functionally illiterate with the help of AI and technology in general. I don't seek any validation and appreciate your candidness and honesty. In a social landscape of "I'll cancel you or I'll block you" when in disagreement I really appreciate your impulsive and highly intelligent response. And to those that liked Mattmurphy7030's comment twice you are part of the problem not the solution. I have boards to repair for paying customers, good day. Trolls, trolls, everywhere trolls.

  • @abdallahmahmoud8642
    @abdallahmahmoud8642 Рік тому +6

    Louis is the only UA-camr who would go take a piss on a recorded video and I would just wait

  • @MiniDevilDF
    @MiniDevilDF 11 місяців тому +20

    Don't worry, Louis. You aren't weak at pulling fuses out. The fuses just double as solder once they heat up to the point of melting and finally blow.

    • @citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936
      @citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936 11 місяців тому

      But they never have enough flux, if Louis; videos teach us anything!

    • @LackofFaithify
      @LackofFaithify 10 місяців тому

      Putting pennies out of business since 2000 --Ali...Amazon Marketplace

  • @TheNolok3428
    @TheNolok3428 Рік тому +12

    This is so crazy. I hope this goes viral.

    • @rossmanngroup
      @rossmanngroup  Рік тому +6

      It's a 31 minute amateur electronics and rant video. I doubt it

    • @TheNolok3428
      @TheNolok3428 Рік тому +1

      @@rossmanngroup Love your content. Greetings from germany :D

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 Рік тому

      there is no teen girl screaming and it's longer than 3 minutes so probably not

    • @TheNolok3428
      @TheNolok3428 11 місяців тому

      @@marcogenovesi8570 True xD

  • @ranger178
    @ranger178 Рік тому +5

    I tried to review a water filter for my refrigerator that claimed to be a genuine GE water filter but when i put it on it put out all kinds of black dust into water so i cut it open with bandsaw and an old filter that was real GE and they were completely different inside one was a nice smooth carbon dome very even and smooth with no way the water could bypass it and the other was a lump of charcoal with mesh glued to it to keep it in one piece and two plastic end caps glued on well one of the end caps had fallen off and water was coming out the open end with some charcoal dust from the break.
    amazon said my review was not allowed because the company I bought it from said they are real GE filters and apparently nobody is allowed to dispute that because they would never lie.

  • @andrewclayton7376
    @andrewclayton7376 11 місяців тому +15

    These amazon videos have certainly made me more hesitant to buy things from amazon. Now I research everything potentially dangerous that I'd buy on amazon and usually opt to buy from actual retail stores now.

  • @LawaBoy
    @LawaBoy Рік тому +15

    But the review of the product on amazon if rated 4,5 stars. Doesn't that mean they can take up to 4,5 times the amps?

  • @profuseduck6776
    @profuseduck6776 Рік тому +8

    I did some digging into this on my own, a lot of them claim UL certification and you can't find any record of them at all.

  • @pewpew7003
    @pewpew7003 11 місяців тому +1

    I am fascinated by the fact that fuses for less current take less material to do, so not they only fail as a product but manufacturer also using MORE material thus making less fuses than it could make. Awesome!

  • @rabiroden
    @rabiroden Рік тому +14

    Years ago I tried searching Amazon for an HDD-to-USB adapter to back up an old hard drive. I had to dig to find one that didn't have reviews mentioning sparks or smoke or fire. Ultimately the one I bought did its job (as I cautiously watched). I can only imagine the situation there now.

    • @Dan-gs3kg
      @Dan-gs3kg 11 місяців тому

      Time to DIY, batch produce, and drop ship to blunt.

    • @davidhunt240
      @davidhunt240 11 місяців тому +2

      It's the dogshit power supply that comes with them. I've been shown a few over the years. One had 350V on the 12V and 5V output with a 100Hz ripple, luckily the house power was automatically cut when this was plugged in.... Another output 20V out of both 5V and 12V blowing up the laptop and the drive in the process. And another connected the live to ground (or the neutral) but being UK, the plug isn't reversible so the 240V AC was connected via the USB shield to the laptop, the person made a circuit by resting their hand on the drive to feel if it was doing anything... All the power to the house went off (lucky RCD fitment) I always chuck cheap Chinese power supplies, they are always dangerous and shitty.

  • @jomo9454
    @jomo9454 Рік тому +20

    During the supply chain issues a couple years ago Amazon was the only place I could get different parts I needed for a big electronics project and unreliable connectors/ICs/power supplies combined with a manager who always asked for more features and doubled capacity as soon as the prototypes were functional instead of finding and fixing bugs ultimately doomed the project.

  • @rikkoningen3992
    @rikkoningen3992 11 місяців тому +3

    Love this video, I usually do test fuses pre use on a per batch basis. Only a few seconds of task when the setup is there. I can't do it with most things, time requirements and all that but if there's safety at stake I either go for expensive properly rated sellers, or I test myself. Since fuses I tend to get very dirt cheap testing tends to be required. I'd love it to not be needed though. I'm not an electrician I just work a lot of adjacent things and do easy electrical things from time to time.

  • @jjcc8379
    @jjcc8379 Рік тому +12

    I'm starting to think that the 2A and 5A fuses were just mislabeled 10A fuses. On purpose.
    A.k.a the manufacturer can't do the lower ones reliable, and just sticks whatever label and color. Have you tried the 7.5A ones?

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 Рік тому +2

      why even make 10A fuses accurate? Just make a "fuse-like object" and scam everyone