A quick tyre fitting company flattened both cills on a GT I once owned. The body shop that did the repairs at the tyre company expense pulled the cills out by welding pins at key points, I would not have accepted filler as seen on this car. Brilliant video again.
yes but when the rest of the car has so many rust issues ready to break out in 2 years. Its a turn off for me. Total rust prevention or nothing for me.
Very common to see these bodge jobs on GT sills unfortunately, if they're even repaired at all. Thankfully they're not as difficult to repair as your 156 video, and there's also sill sections available at a reasonable price.
YEAH NEIL , GOOD TO SEE A LOVELY COLOR ALFA ( WOOD STEERING WHEEL, UP GRADED SUSPENSION ) RUST ON THOSE SEALS ESPECIALLY IN THE U.K CAN DEVASTATE ALFA'S. IF IT WAS MY CAR RUST AND OIL LEAKS PRIORITY NO 1. THX NEAL FOR YOUR VID. ( WOULD LOVE TO SEE A 33 SERIES 1 IN YOUR SHOP..
Rust is such an issue that it must be stated in capitals. Although I do agree, not just Alfa but any car of that age that's still on UK roads is going to have rust issues if not treated!
This channel seems to be a hidden gem! You've earned a new subscriber. I've had a look at a 156 2.0 JTS, any critical problems to look at other than rust and what oil it has been serviced with?
Nice car, shame about these bodges. If I were the owner, I would let you take care of the oil leaks first and put some rust converter on the sills and have them properly done next year 👍
I would have most of the work done, but will leave the sills for another time if that work is outside of my set budget. I would just kill the visible rust there.
Minor issues from a 5-th Alfa GT 1.9 diesel owner's perspective. Allthough i am only an owner, i've allready seen and driven around 15 of them in 3 yrs, so i did see alot of other greater problems with them, like gearbox failiure, turbo's, injectors, intercooler, air flow meter etc . The one here looks fine to me comparing to most of them at this age , because of poor mantainance. I just sold my 2007 1.9 GT tunned stage 1 DPF off, EGR off, double straight pipe exhaust, and bought a newer one 2010 with 120000 km. Everything looks almost new and feels the same, except clutch that needs replacing and 4th injector needs reconditioning. If any interested in checking out the tunned interior/exterior of my last one, you can find it on my channel.
Just PX'd for an Alfa GT 1.8TS cloverleaf in atlantico blue 3 weeks ago, previous garage had crushed both sills SPECTACULARLY, it'll be about £1100 to get both done (plus some minor front bumper damage) ouch, athough this will involve brand new sills and the repainting of nearly a side of the car, should last a long time if taken care of well. These cars are alright if you take them to a garage with more than 3 brain cells combined.. sadly most folk don't give a shit.
Another great video. It seems that tyre fitters or lazy mechanics like to ruin Alfa’s, I had a GT last year with the same issue, crushed sills. I recently got a 156 with a similar issue. My pride and joy is my 159, which hasn’t succumbed to this problem, thankfully, and, should anyone try to Jack it up where they are not supposed to, I honestly think I might just have to resort to violence !!.
Neil, thanks for these videos. Very informative and entertaining for me and Alfa fan. I am located in Australia and can't believe the rust issues with British cars. Can people reading this commment on rust prevention? Why not have your car rust treated every year so these problems dont arise? If you look under a Rolls Royce, does it look the same? Massive rust issues. How can the water salt problem be dealt with? This is interesting to me because if you Brit friends looked under out cars you may be very suprised how well Alfa's hand rust here. Cheers.
It's lack of awareness on underside rust. Also Alfa and other modern cars tend to still look pretty decent in terms of paintwork and panels even when the underside is completely rotten so it often catches people unaware. With hindsight I'd have started treating my own 156 years ago rather than deal with the rust now...
As an Aussie, I feel the same way. After watching a lot of UK videos I was very keen to get my GT up in the air and have a look underneath. Not a speck of rust anywhere. It must be a nightmare keeping an older car on the road in the UK.
They salt the roads in the UK and Republic of Ireland during winter. I lived there for 15 years. That's why all cars rust there. I had a 750e 147 when I live there. Did not have a rust problem that I saw but I never looked underneath. It was only 750 bucks hehe. They are cheap there. The underside of my Toyota Soarers were pretty nasty underneath though. In Australia it's not a problem. Chances of fining a rusty Alfa are pretty much zero here.
Well we all know where's there is oil there's no rust.....but to be sure and safe better get them sills repaired.... seems your one of the few doing decent jobs on these cars....
Nice color and engine! But a lot of work to get the car back to 100%. Sills repair are not cheap and take a lot of time..., Alfa 156 repair recently 😇!
I would be worried what other unseen bodge jobs have been done on the car to be honest. Sill filler, poor quality work on oil cooler, this just feels like a car that has had work done on the cheap/diy. As for badges, well the car is of an age where originality is long forgotten and the model isn’t a limited edition/high desirability level, so that’s no issue to me personally. Great video Neil and would suggest if you could do a follow up one for some of these reviews to say what happened next?
Lovely car but needs the sills doing properly get it sorted properly and it'll give years of superb motering problem with gts is people who do not jack them up properly
Q2 or Cloverleaf? I thought you would show whether or not it had the red 'sport' button on the centre console. Its a standard omission on the likes of Autotrader pics, when the seller doesn't want to show the lack of a sport button. Other than that, not a bad car, really. As the previous owneer of several Alfas, including a GT, I would definitely not be happy with those sill repairs. Thats the kind of job you have done to flog a car quickly, at minimum loss. Having watched your 156 sill repair videos, I completely understand why you wouldn't want to take these on!
I would defo have the sills done properly . As for the wooden steering wheel, Heck no i am not a fan of it . Colour i am sort of hmmm , Maybe in time & in sunny daylight i might grow to like it .
If that car was mine, I wouldn't like the fact that the structure of vehicle was repaired using filler! If the owner wants it done properly & subject to the cost , it would seem you've got more sills to replace/repair!!🤔
Hi Neil,just curious ,on a couple of your videos I see that you dont use the jack points when on the lift but the pads are on the seam weld.Is that just a necessity due to the lift design?
Yeah i noticed that. On these floor pans the front jacking point is further in, the turret that sticks out of the floor. I always use that (same on Fiat Coupe, GTV, 147/156/166/GTV etc)
I'll probably keep my GT till it rots to death, the only real problem i need to sort is that it eats rear tyres from lowering it 30mm, i need to buy the rear adjustable arms to adjust the camber.
Those sills would make me nervous. There's no way of knowing what evil is hidden. I'd also want to know the sill-murdering sausages of doom are gone and replaced by a shitload of Dynax S50 or similar. Along with the oil cooler and swirl flaps, there isn't much else that can kill the car. The badging is irritating. Does it actually have a Q2 diff and/or Sport mode button? Or is an open diff 150 with £10 worth of upgrades by eBay?
Sorry, those are not Momo arrows alloys from the 90s. They look a bit like ATS evolutions maybe. I don’t think they’re a 90s design. More like noughties.
Nothing beats metal, if it was my car I definitely would have underside repaired properly
A quick tyre fitting company flattened both cills on a GT I once owned. The body shop that did the repairs at the tyre company expense pulled the cills out by welding pins at key points, I would not have accepted filler as seen on this car. Brilliant video again.
If ‘crushage’ isn’t a word it should be! If that GT was mine I would definitely want the sills fixed properly…great video Neil 👍
yes but when the rest of the car has so many rust issues ready to break out in 2 years. Its a turn off for me. Total rust prevention or nothing for me.
'Crushage' is indeed now a word. I have registered it with the Oxford Dictionary on your behalf as its coiner! 😉
Very common to see these bodge jobs on GT sills unfortunately, if they're even repaired at all. Thankfully they're not as difficult to repair as your 156 video, and there's also sill sections available at a reasonable price.
YEAH NEIL , GOOD TO SEE A LOVELY COLOR ALFA ( WOOD STEERING WHEEL, UP GRADED SUSPENSION ) RUST ON THOSE SEALS ESPECIALLY IN THE U.K CAN DEVASTATE ALFA'S. IF IT WAS MY CAR RUST AND OIL LEAKS PRIORITY NO 1.
THX NEAL FOR YOUR VID. ( WOULD LOVE TO SEE A 33 SERIES 1 IN YOUR SHOP..
Rust is such an issue that it must be stated in capitals. Although I do agree, not just Alfa but any car of that age that's still on UK roads is going to have rust issues if not treated!
Great video again ! thank you. Very interesting the 'work' carried out on this car before.
Appears to be a Bodgit and Codgit job to me. Nice looking car well worth repairing still.
This channel seems to be a hidden gem! You've earned a new subscriber.
I've had a look at a 156 2.0 JTS, any critical problems to look at other than rust and what oil it has been serviced with?
Nice car, shame about these bodges. If I were the owner, I would let you take care of the oil leaks first and put some rust converter on the sills and have them properly done next year 👍
Rims are called "Clovers" I think, pretty nice GT!
I love your channel (apart from the adverts!)
Go for adblocker......and there gone...
I would have most of the work done, but will leave the sills for another time if that work is outside of my set budget. I would just kill the visible rust there.
Hope you get to sort out a nice car neil 👍
Oooh now I want that steering wheel for my 147
Minor issues from a 5-th Alfa GT 1.9 diesel owner's perspective. Allthough i am only an owner, i've allready seen and driven around 15 of them in 3 yrs, so i did see alot of other greater problems with them, like gearbox failiure, turbo's, injectors, intercooler, air flow meter etc
. The one here looks fine to me comparing to most of them at this age , because of poor mantainance. I just sold my 2007 1.9 GT tunned stage 1 DPF off, EGR off, double straight pipe exhaust, and bought a newer one 2010 with 120000 km. Everything looks almost new and feels the same, except clutch that needs replacing and 4th injector needs reconditioning.
If any interested in checking out the tunned interior/exterior of my last one, you can find it on my channel.
Yes sills need repairing defiantly worth doing
Just PX'd for an Alfa GT 1.8TS cloverleaf in atlantico blue 3 weeks ago, previous garage had crushed both sills SPECTACULARLY, it'll be about £1100 to get both done (plus some minor front bumper damage) ouch, athough this will involve brand new sills and the repainting of nearly a side of the car, should last a long time if taken care of well.
These cars are alright if you take them to a garage with more than 3 brain cells combined.. sadly most folk don't give a shit.
Another great video. It seems that tyre fitters or lazy mechanics like to ruin Alfa’s, I had a GT last year with the same issue, crushed sills. I recently got a 156 with a similar issue. My pride and joy is my 159, which hasn’t succumbed to this problem, thankfully, and, should anyone try to Jack it up where they are not supposed to, I honestly think I might just have to resort to violence !!.
Maybe able to weld sections in instead of fitting sills but who knows what's lurking under the filler and underseal
Why can't I hear the phrase "A massive crack" and not laugh
Hey Neil. Another nice video👍 Seems a decent GT that. How’s your Giulia holding up? Still my only modern dream car out there..
Neil, thanks for these videos. Very informative and entertaining for me and Alfa fan. I am located in Australia and can't believe the rust issues with British cars. Can people reading this commment on rust prevention? Why not have your car rust treated every year so these problems dont arise? If you look under a Rolls Royce, does it look the same? Massive rust issues. How can the water salt problem be dealt with? This is interesting to me because if you Brit friends looked under out cars you may be very suprised how well Alfa's hand rust here. Cheers.
It's lack of awareness on underside rust. Also Alfa and other modern cars tend to still look pretty decent in terms of paintwork and panels even when the underside is completely rotten so it often catches people unaware. With hindsight I'd have started treating my own 156 years ago rather than deal with the rust now...
As an Aussie, I feel the same way. After watching a lot of UK videos I was very keen to get my GT up in the air and have a look underneath. Not a speck of rust anywhere. It must be a nightmare keeping an older car on the road in the UK.
@@downesy68 Yep Downesy68 I agree. My 156 didn't have a speck of rust. Rust prevention seems a good industry to get into in the UK?
They salt the roads in the UK and Republic of Ireland during winter. I lived there for 15 years. That's why all cars rust there. I had a 750e 147 when I live there. Did not have a rust problem that I saw but I never looked underneath. It was only 750 bucks hehe. They are cheap there. The underside of my Toyota Soarers were pretty nasty underneath though.
In Australia it's not a problem. Chances of fining a rusty Alfa are pretty much zero here.
Would want the sills done in metal as they should.
What would you rate as the best Alfa from the 90s and 00s
Well we all know where's there is oil there's no rust.....but to be sure and safe better get them sills repaired.... seems your one of the few doing decent jobs on these cars....
Wheels are standard for Blackilne 3
Nice color and engine! But a lot of work to get the car back to 100%. Sills repair are not cheap and take a lot of time..., Alfa 156 repair recently 😇!
I would be worried what other unseen bodge jobs have been done on the car to be honest. Sill filler, poor quality work on oil cooler, this just feels like a car that has had work done on the cheap/diy.
As for badges, well the car is of an age where originality is long forgotten and the model isn’t a limited edition/high desirability level, so that’s no issue to me personally.
Great video Neil and would suggest if you could do a follow up one for some of these reviews to say what happened next?
Lovely car but needs the sills doing properly get it sorted properly and it'll give years of superb motering problem with gts is people who do not jack them up properly
Q2 or Cloverleaf? I thought you would show whether or not it had the red 'sport' button on the centre console. Its a standard omission on the likes of Autotrader pics, when the seller doesn't want to show the lack of a sport button. Other than that, not a bad car, really. As the previous owneer of several Alfas, including a GT, I would definitely not be happy with those sill repairs. Thats the kind of job you have done to flog a car quickly, at minimum loss. Having watched your 156 sill repair videos, I completely understand why you wouldn't want to take these on!
I would defo have the sills done properly .
As for the wooden steering wheel, Heck no i am not a fan of it .
Colour i am sort of hmmm , Maybe in time & in sunny daylight i might grow to like it .
If that car was mine, I wouldn't like the fact that the structure of vehicle was repaired using filler! If the owner wants it done properly & subject to the cost , it would seem you've got more sills to replace/repair!!🤔
Hi guys, im thinking of buying an gt or a Brera, which one is better? Cheers
Hi Neil,just curious ,on a couple of your videos I see that you dont use the jack points when on the lift but the pads are on the seam weld.Is that just a necessity due to the lift design?
It's the small jacking pads that damage the sills.
Yeah i noticed that. On these floor pans the front jacking point is further in, the turret that sticks out of the floor. I always use that (same on Fiat Coupe, GTV, 147/156/166/GTV etc)
Bodged sills, no good for me. Nice car though!
If it was mine , would have the sills done with metal asap as can only get worse and winter is upon us soon
I'll probably keep my GT till it rots to death, the only real problem i need to sort is that it eats rear tyres from lowering it 30mm, i need to buy the rear adjustable arms to adjust the camber.
Love GT’s. What do they drive like?
Nice drive prob the best alfa of that generation.
They drive really well. Awesome Grand Tourers. There's a bit of a windnoise from the mirrors but otherwise, nice, comfy and sporty.
How much would that car be worth 🤔 , would you bother doing the sills properly 🤔
Those sills would make me nervous. There's no way of knowing what evil is hidden. I'd also want to know the sill-murdering sausages of doom are gone and replaced by a shitload of Dynax S50 or similar. Along with the oil cooler and swirl flaps, there isn't much else that can kill the car.
The badging is irritating. Does it actually have a Q2 diff and/or Sport mode button? Or is an open diff 150 with £10 worth of upgrades by eBay?
Why do Alfa Romeo's look great but burn a hole in your pocket?
If you “don’t fancy doing another sill job” presumably you can afford to be picky about what you take on, not a good image.
If you have to do everything on the floor I totally understand 👍🏻
And you don't what's on his schedule.
I'm not familiar with Alfa models. What's a Cloverleaf and why isn't this one?
@@arturthepe8404 Thanks for the info, much appreciated! I won't get frowned upon if I turn up in the Pug will I?
Best colour, shame it’s not a gasoline.
Those sills look bad. I would be furious. Oil cooler is another bonus.
Here in the Netherlands filler like that in sills would fail an MOT test (APK).
@@htimsid same in germany, assuming it was spotted.
Sorry, those are not Momo arrows alloys from the 90s. They look a bit like ATS evolutions maybe. I don’t think they’re a 90s design. More like noughties.
I know there not. Lol just remind me of them
@@ItaliaAutos they are the original 18" alloy wheels for the cloverleaf and Q2 models.
@@ds1868 yep.
looks as bad to jack up as my gtv , I get people to to put it on a ramp better all round for them and the sills
Hi Neil, have you ever seen a problem like this with the headlights before?
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Du hebst das Auto an den falschen Stellen an!
scrap it