VW LUPO 3L - Piech's Internal Design Competition
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- Опубліковано 12 бер 2023
- Let's take a closer look at VW's internal design competition between VW and AUDI for the first production car with a fuel consumption of only 3l/100km (78.4 MPG (US)).
How did the project start?
Why did it become an internal design competition?
Could VW reach their goals?
How did VW design the Lupo 3L in detail?
Which difficulties did they have to overcome?
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This was the "strong men create good times" era of VW.
I'm glad Mr. Piëch didn't get to see the later decline of the brand and the industry as a whole.
That magnesium steering wheel is magnificent. Such a shame it wasn't used more widely, so elegant and stately, and a very 2000s feel to it (in a good way)
prob also why $3L isn so "hot cakes" and only last 5 years albeit its a "mileage king" car
that twingo beats the crap of any 96 ugly hatchback by face and mileage( they turned it into a decent Matiz /shorty toyota wish lol)
Supercars hog all the attention when it comes to exciting engineering, but what's done on normal cars is just as interesting - maybe even more so, since it's generally much less covered and the overall impact on the industry is much larger.
yeah but even them prob dont go that far into penny pinching mods like the 3L did wkkwkw
I absolutely LOVE these small, fuel-efficient little cars with diesel engines. I'm a bit weird.
Fantastic video again! Piech was an extraordinary engineer and manager. His grandfather would have been proud!
A video on the 909 Bergspyder would be interesting!
Great suggestion!
Such a great video!! I daily drive a 3L in the UK that I Imported from Germany in 2019. I absolutely love it and I’ve achieved 2.7L/100km sometimes too! It’s such an amazing special car and I will keep it forever 💙
Dream channel right here!Thank you for the content! As for the 3L - one can only imagine how much the additional tooling and R&D actually cost. The car probably should have had 2x or 3x the standard price tag for VW to break even.
Thanks a lot!
don't worry about ther magin, they are using basic materials and nothing special. you act like aluminum or thinner glass is something exotic. that is a protective view to claim insane prices for plastic junk cars. 2 or 3x the price I would expect a full carbon fibre car. you're talking nonsense.
12:32
"[...] which resulted in some oversteering tendencies."
nice 😁
Great technical insight of this little nice car! Thanks. More of this please.
More to come!
I am not a huge fan of todays VWs or Audis, but the engeneering around 2000s was great.
I love this info, it's exactly something I would research for myself. Thanks for the history lesson B Sport!!
Very cool and clever engineering, another super interesting and well presented video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nowaday most new cars sales are Ford F150, that tells something about the direction manking is evolving. There are also nice proptotypes from the 80s courtesy of Renault/Citroen. Check Renault Vesta for example. Also it is interesting that you probably can't drive an A2 in a low emission zone but no problem running a recent F150.
There is one version of the 1.4 TDI that doesn’t get the Euro4 class for low emission zones here, but the rest can get there.
But yeah, I get your point.
Man! Great car! Amazing video! I learned so much about a car i thought i already knew about! Thank you!
Glad you liked it!
Piech war der Drahtzieher dieser Entwicklungen. Er kam als Verwandter der Porsche-Familie zu Porsche Motorsport nach Stuttgart und war damit beauftragt, dass der Porsche 917 die WM gewinnen sollte. Vorab schon konstruierte er superleichte Berg-Porsche und suchte die mit Magneten ab, um jede Schraube etc gegen solche aus Titan auszutauschen. Desgleichen ging er beim 917 vor, als er für 24h Le Mans einen seither im Museum gehüteten 917 präparieren ließ, der mit wesentlich mehr Titan-Teilen, an dem Wissen der Piloten vorbei, vorbereitet worden war und gewann. Er hatte also rennmäßig erprobte Erfahrungen, wie man Autos leicht bekommt.
Die beiden hier besprochenen PKW von Audi und VW laufen teilweise heute noch, erfüllten aber nicht die Persönlichkeitsprothesenfunktion Deutscher bei der Wahl eines Autos, gingen also nicht genügend weg und waren in der Produktion zu teuer, daher wurden ihre Produktionen bald eingestellt, was sehr bedauerlich ist, weil das zur rechten Zeit ein guter erster Schritt war.
Inzwischen baut AUDI, ganz im Sinne der Klima- und Resourcenthematik, Autos, die kaum noch auf die Straße passen und Strom konsumieren, für die man extra Windkraftgeneratoren bauen muss, Volkswagen im Grunde nicht minder. Und wer mildhybrid wählt, kann davon ausgehen, dass die Verbrenner Dreckschleudern sind.
Da war Piech in den 90ern schon wesentlich weiter, ohne dass die Energieträgerfrage so angespannt war wie heuer.
@@alicunte5624 es geht nicht darum, dass Autos weniger verbrauchen. Dann würden die Autos aerodynamisch ganz anders aussehen. Der Trend zum SUV wurde aktiv beworben und die Leute kaufen sehr über die unterbewusste Schiene - lassen sich diesbezüglich also leicht beeinflussen. Ein paar wenige 3L Autos, die dann auf den Markt so platziert wurden, dass sie eben nicht gut verkauft werden. Es fängt an mit dem Design. Ich habe nichts gegen den 3L Lupo oder A2, weil sie technisch in die richtige Richtung gehen, aber ein 0815 Käufer dieser Fahrzeugklasse guckt auf den Preis und wenn es denn mehr kostet als üblich, dann wählt der Kunde ein Auto welches nicht so aussieht. Das ist alles Absicht.
Great video!
Thanks!
Your videos are incredible
Thanks!
14:35 - lead blocks?? How about the spare wheel?? :D
Super interesting. I hadn't come across this before.
Glad you liked it!
Wonderfully interesting
I wouldn't want to drive a car "build" by greenpeace.
they gave the project to a Swiss engineering company. They built the prototype „SmILE“
@@BSport320 When i think of Swiss engineering in automotive; Rinspeed comes to mind...Madness 🤣
Nice video :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
I love this channel
Thanks!
This is the car we should be driving! Not 2 tonne electric SUVs.
Long live Piech! Top favorite auto exec.
i kinda want one.. had a normal 1.4 lupo for a while but this would be very nice..
As someone with a PSA background, I'd like to mention that the Lupo 3L concept is not unprecedented. The Citroen AX was designed using knowledge and experiences gained from their earlier Eco2000 project. For example it already made use of an aerodynamic body (cd 0.31) and plastic body panels to reduce its weight to as little as 640kg without compromising safety, back in 1986. The initial AX Diesel of 1989 also made use of an aluminium engine block to reduce weight. A later AX ECO prototype of 1994 featuring similar optimizations to the Lupo 3L would record an average fuel consumption of just 2.7L/100km but didn't reach full production.
The AX is definitely worth a separate video!
Has any manufacturer been able to beat the 2.49l per 100km in recent times?
I love this!! Never knew this existed. Recently looked at prices of the A2 in the UK and they have gotten very expensive … people are getting more frugal and the design isn’t so ‘crazy’ these days
A2 has been pretty expensive for a bit now, I am guessing because they did not sell that many back in the day, so they are pretty rare
So from what I’m hearing about this car it’s the perfect hot hatch
The oldest 3L is 25 years old and possible to import to the U.S.
I'm hoping to get a Lupo as my first car and I've absolutely fallen in love with the 3L, though would it be feasible to actually get one over the standard one?
yes, like it
90s were really when VW and Audi peaked!
Sounds like a great base for a track car (over the standard Lupo). Are they cheap over there these days?
At what point did they think massive cars should be the way to go. Sad that light cars are getting extinct.
USA has been a big influence around the world since the end of WW2
Need more safety >> massive car = better safety >> massive car = more impact force = more danger >> need more safety...
Did they make the 3L TDI 1.2 l in 1998? love to get one gearbox brought over to the US with 25-year rule
What was the price of the 3L vis-a-vis other Lupos? I can’t imagine all that magnesium was cheap. Did VW continue making high efficiency vehicles like that after that model was done?
Wasn’t it followed by a 2L project (forgot what car that become) and the 1L project which became the XL1.
It’s the price equivalent today of comparing a regular 1.0 Up! vs an E-Up!
Der Futura könnte definitiv der Design-Großvater der neuen ID3 und 4 und wie die alle heißen sein
My very first VAG car was a SEAT Arosa, 1.4, automatic. What a car. Better than a VW, it was lowered, had wider alloy wheel and matching tyres. There would be cars on my tail entering a roundabout, but never there on the exit. It handled so well. Moving on to a Lupo was not a great experience.
But they are the same car, right?
@@Bartem_ READ MY POST! "Better than a VW, it was lowered, had wider alloy wheel and matching tyres. There would be cars on my tail entering a roundabout, but never there on the exit. It handled so well." Yes, it used the same chassis, the engine and power train, and the sameness stopped there. It was built by SEAT, in Spain, who at that time were the competition wing of VAG.
The chassis was stronger, stiffer, the suspension was road-sports configuration, the brakes were upgraded, it sat 12 mm lower to the ground, had WIDE ALLOY WHEELS, fitted with WIDER, LOWER road competition tyres. (Spelt correctly). It also came in a range of colours exclusive to the SEAT AROSA. To expect that the car is going to perform the same as a Lupo, high ride height,heavy steel wheels, narrow tyres, OAP/Townie suspension, standard brakes, and an ECR that runs the engine for MPG rather than FUN. No, NOT THE SAME CAR AS A LUPO. You have compared an Octavia, 1.2, 5-speed manual with an Octavia vRS, with lowered suspension, 7-speed DSG gearbox, they cannot be called the same car, CAN THEY?
Makes me wonder how a more conventional design could've been achieved if Volkswagen tried the same approach of the Elko Multifuel engine
Can you explain why the rear being too light was causing oversteer? Obviously if the rear was light there isn't much load on the rear tires but the rear of the car also doesn't have much momentum (I'm thinking about the Deltawing for example). Was the rear suspension too stiff meaning the outside rear tire was getting overloaded?
If the rear gets too light, it means there is not a lot vertical force on the tyres, which means they can only provide little lateral force - hence oversteer.
@@BSport320 Right but isn’t the reduction in grip balanced by the reduction in the mass/momentum of the rear of the car? My thinking is that if the rear of the car has lost comparatively more weight than the front of the car but the spring rates have stayed the same then the rear will have most of the weight transfer in a corner. Like the classic hot hatch lifting the rear inside tire. If that happens since the rear outside tire is doing all the work keeping the rear in line you could have oversteer due to reduction in grip coefficient with increased load.
@@alexanderklenk2195 The momentum that causes oversteer is not caused by the weight of the rear, it is caused by sudden weight transfer, if the rear is too light, it can cause the car to lose traction when this little weight shifts to the front (or sides). Of course there are exceptions, but in general, a lighter rear end is more likely to cause oversteer.
It's amazing that VW didn't have the finance to do this.
VW was in deep financial trouble during the early to mid 90's, Piëch really turned the company around by the turn of the millennia with cars like the MK4 Golf which made VW profitable again.
👍💪✌
When instant profiteering is the goal, you will never built the best Auto,
"Customers interest in power 3x higher than for fuel economy" This clearly indicates that fuel is still too cheap.
That statement is from over 20 years ago when VW built GTI and 3L at the same time. But might still be valid.
A small "sporty" car still doesn't use as much fuel as a bigger car (even with the same engine), so I guess it just shows that the crazy fuel economy of the 3L was more of an engineering milestone than what people really wanted. People in Europe still preferred their "bigger" cars (think Clio and Golf), even if those were 5L/100 instead of 3L/100.
G🤢rmans: replace the window with cellophane and make the car out of bird poop.
Ja🗿an: make the brakes power the wheels.