$1 silver pot restore. Lots of polishing.
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- Опубліковано 16 лис 2024
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Why not use a large pot with baking soda and aluminum foil. That way you would not need any scrubbing.
Oh! That's a great idea. Do you mind if I make a video about that?
The aluminum strips the oxygen away because aluminum prefers to be rusted more than silver does, this results in the silver losing its oxide, being shiny.
!And that's how it works? Wow, I should try it sometime.
Didn’t he mention that at the start?
Edit: f*ck it was sarcasm fml
Does anybody actually watch these videos?
My dad got a ton of silver from a yard sale and due to my love of westerns I fell in love with the vintage butter dish because it just looked exactly like it came straight from a western lol and anyways that’s the one piece I took from him and just polished it today. It’s much older than me (I’m 22) presumably from around the 60’s
If anyone was wondering, the chemistry behind the backing soda and aluminum foil is legit. Basically the black tarnish you see is Silver Sulfide which reacts with the aluminum foil to reduce the Silver Sulfide to Silver metal and then oxidize the Aluminum into Aluminum Sulfide. The balanced chemical reaction is 3(Ag2S )+ 2(Al) = 6(Ag) + 1(Al2S3). The heat is used to put more backing soda into solution, as it's not that soluble at room temperature, and then it just acts as an electrolyte to allow the redox reaction to proceed. The aluminum has to be touching the tarnished silver sample the whole time in order to reduce the silver sulfide back into silver metal. This is why the aluminum foil is commonly placed at the bottom of the container with the baking soda so that it touching at all times. What you're doing is moving electrons so you need to have contact for the electrochemical reaction to proceed. You can also take some crumpled aluminum foil to rub the silver sample to add mechanical force to aid in the tarnish removal and add more "redox points" (for lack of a better word) closer to where you want the tarnish removed.
That was the paragraph I should've read _before_ trying the trick. Thanks. If I ever get to try this again, I will revise my method. Question: do you see any utility for adding (NaCl) salt? Heat may speed diffusion enough to make it unnecessary, but it seems impractical to keep such a large vessel boiling for long. Further, mechanical scrubbing is easier at a lower temperature. Will salt actually help the process, or is that just folk chemistry?
pocket83² The baking soda isn't really a part of the main reaction which converts the silver tarnish back into silver metal so i'm assuming adding salt just put more ions into the water to allow for better electrical flow. The heating is just used to speed up the reaction. I don't think it has to be boiling but a warm solution should definitely work better than a cold one. The silver acts as the cathode and the aluminum acts as the anode in this electrochemical reaction and the baking soda just acts as a salt bridge of sorts to allow for the electrons to flow from the aluminum to the silver. I'm not too sure why baking soda is used specifically and I don't see how adding salt would make it work any worse so it's worth giving a try. The OH ions produced by the sodium bicarbonate might play a role in side reactions. If so the chemical reaction would be slightly different [3(Ag2S) + 2Al + 3(H2O) = 6Ag + 3(H2S) + Al2O3] but the same mechanism of silver sulfide converting back into silver would still apply. You can also do this experiment by connecting the tarnished silver piece to the negative end of a battery and the positive end in the electrolytic solution (this will be an amazing thing to witness as you see the black turn to silver right before your eyes fairly quickly). The battery acts as the source of electrons instead of the aluminum in that case. This would remove the tarnish much much faster but I can't speak for the quality of the silver when comparing both methods.
So oddly enough, despite all of the demands to use a specific recipe, the salt and the baking soda are doing the same thing in different ways. Heat is only a rate of diffusion (motion), and there is probably already enough free ions in any non-distilled bucket of water to allow the reaction to take place. So, correct me if I'm wrong here, but if we were to wrap a piece of foil around the silver, and then throw it in a bucket of tap water for a week, should we expect a working result?
“For one surprised look” was the sweetest thing I’ve ever heard
That wholesome last sentence though
Look nice, I wish we could have seen (or heard) Mrs. Pocket's reaction though.
You didn't show Mrs pocket's reaction.☹️
"I liked that Patina...."
@@MrMagicBlox Rip xD
Mrs. Pocket ain't real
@@thatgoose2639, is anything real though? Reality is truly individualistic and everyone sees things differently. Are you real?
I know! Even if she didn’t want to be on camera (which is totally understandable) he could put some audio in.
“Oh no, I hope she didn’t want the patina!” LOL
I really found nice what you said at the end.
About the reason for doing it :)
You probably figured by now that the metal underneath the silver plate is most likely nickel or possibly brass. You didn't show us the bits that wore off, but underneath if it looks like a sort of drab warm gray, it's nickel (if it's brass, it looks like- well, brass). I had (had) a silver coffee pot and went to town on it with Nevr Dull, regretfully noticed that the cylinder was sterling, but the spout was plated and I'd de-plated a good bit of it. Most coffee service stuff is nickel based. Thanks for making this - I was looking at that "easy magic" bath solution and glad I can save some coin.
Nicely done. Hope the misses loved it!
"I did all that for one surprised look" I think that's really cute and I really hope she loved it.
Wow ! it was wort it all your elbow grease- it is stunning, gorgeous looking pot just look at it and enjoy this elegant beauty.
I can smell the never dull from here. Great job!
There needs to be more hubby's out there like you!
That beautiful pot was 1 dollar?!?! People really have no idea what they have in their attics/basements/garden sheds. This is why charity shops and flea markets are so good 😊
2:47 Oh yeah?... (I know it was filmed some days ago.)
Oh my, your misses must have been trilled it look like new 🤩
That was in amazingly good condition for silverplate. Nice job.
This was excellent work. I've tried cleaning such metals but after around 15 minutes I figured it wasn't working. I discovered from this video that it takes time.
As one other person said, the recipe usually includes salt. I learned this from Mr Wizard way back in the olden days, but I only actually tried it out for myself last year, and I tried it on some silverware that had not seen polishing in probably 30 years or more, and with some soaking, it was fairly good.
As for the base metal, I think it's usually a copper alloy of some sort; where the silver has rubbed off on some of my old silver plate, it looks a little yellow, maybe a brass with a high zinc content, maybe some nickel. That's just a guess from looking at it, though. Interestingly, some of the old table knives are actually silver plated carbon steel, and they get rusty around the edges. Newer ones just have silver handles and stainless blades.
"oh no, I hope she didn't want the patina" brother I felt you there
I dont know why I find these videos so satisfyingand soothing
Because they are... 😎🙂
Hold it! Pause at 13:08. That reflection.... Enhance! Enhance again! My God, it can't be... It's....
Now that you know my true identity, you can understand why I can never show my face. This city needs me to remain in the shadows until it is finally ready.
@@pocket83squared Your secret is safe with me.
Thank you for your comment. I really didn't want to see pocket's face(out of respect for privacy), and searched for a comment like yours.
he *is* the camera
He's HowToBasic :o
I was told once by the Hopi Indians in Arizona when I was purchasing some Jewelry, that it would clean up with a pencil eraser. That has been my go to on all silver. It works great. But I would Boil that pitcher like you said. I will give it a try. Thanks
pencil eraser! thats a new one for me, but im gonna give it a shot!
The aluminum method is actually not only easier but also better because it removes far less material. You can still use other cleaning methods afterwards. It basically just removes the rust and even turns some of it back to normal silver. It's a Redbox reaction. I would usually recommend to also put it in a different kind of not too strong acid just to remove any other dirt or stuff like that. Also 10 minutes usually isn't anywhere near enough time. It can actually work completely automatically without any manual labor required but you need to keep it in there for a few hours.
The process is a redoxreaction and in layman's terms it's taking the oxygen from the silver oxide/silver rust and puts it on the aluminum to produce aluminum oxide/aluminum rust
(This is not supposed to be a recommendation. I don't want to tell you what to do I know you don't like that I just wanted to post this. I don't even know why)
Mrs Pocket wanted to use it to water the flowers.... lolol
I love these down to earth videos on the second channel it's like Asmr lol
Omg jackpot ! One of my fav channels with one of my fav subjects, old metal restoration.
Edit: just finished it ooohhh so satisfying 🤤🤤 also that's super sweet I hope she liked it!
If I remember correct the pot could be copper then coated with silver . They somehow mix well together. I think sterling silver is about 94% silver and wound be stamped on the bottom . Silvo polish I do believe would work better. If it is real bad when the alternative metal shows through you would need a special list to clean it. Maybe it is polished aluminium . Then your buffing wheel would probably be the best answer with some type of aluminium cleaner or polish. Some old salt and pepper shakers where babit . I also have a mug made of babit .
Wow, beautiful results. I imagine Mrs. Pocket (Mrs. 83?) was surprised indeed.
I'm know you take public comments with a grain of salt, but I have personally cleaned a small bar of silver with this method and what I saw was amazing. it was a heavily tarnished one oz bar so I put a sheet of aluminum foil in a pot, put the silver on top of the foil, then put baking soda on top of the silver and finally dumped the hot water over top. I saw the tarnish vanish instantly. it was amazing and I dont understand why it worked so well but it did for me and those were my steps. happy new year
Yep. Should've looked it up first before posting a video about it. I should've used salt and lined the crock with foil.
But don't worry! The 1,200 comments I get about it in 2019 will serve as an endless reminder. The funny thing is that I usually spot problems like that before the video gets made public, but the 'corrections' keep coming for years. Thus, the "grain of salt."
@@pocket83squared well I didnt use any salt
No no no. You need more than a grain of salt for the method to work!
Happy 2019.
Based on my Googling, "English silver" is usually plated over copper, though it could be Britannia metal or nickel-silver.
The English Silver Mfg. Corp. opened sometime in the 1950s, and is apparently still operating. Their products aren't considered particularly valuable because they're so mass-produced.
I really love those restore vids
And you don't even have to get that gray stuff all over your hands!
pocket83² true xD
Helga Hufflepuff's watering jug 😃
Came out beautifully! So shiny 😻😻😻
You should make more videos restoration videos like this I found this quite enjoyable
I have a silver pitcher and 4 goblets from my family that like like this. Have been using toothpaste. Now I'm going to use science. Thanks for the info!
Mrs. Pocket wants a silver watering can? Well isn't she fancy xD
I watched the whole video to see what exactly might happen. Having already watched some of the others that used this technique I wanted to know if it was effective on something so far gone that it looked like all the silver had been replaced solely by tarnis. LOL. I think the chemical reactive process of aluminium and baking soda works well for pieces that kept clean on a regular basis and only need the typical cleaning that is necessary through ordinary household maintenance. I would have been truly amazed had it worked on this piece. Maybe the true test will be keeping it in this new clean state by using only the aluminum and baking soda from here on out. Then letting us know if that works. Thanks for all the work! WOW!
Have you heard of old fashioned brands Brasso and Silvia? They work very well. Along with some elbow grease. Have used it forever. The Be Tasso works on copper, brass and pewter if you want it shiny.
welcome back to cooking with pocket. that's one shiny boy.
few minutes of google says it could be brass or nickel. it doesn't look or sound like there's much heft to it so i doubt it's pewter.
also nice hat
Not a silversmith but I think one of the more common base metals is an alloy called "nickel silver". Again, I'm nothing close to an expert on this.
So, what was Mrs. Pocket's reaction?
The chemical reaction happening here is because tarnished silver is actually silver sulphide (so you weren't wrong about the sulphur smell!). Basically the aluminum, being more readily reactive with the sulfur, pulls it out of the silver. The baking soda and heat is only there to accelerate the reaction since a warm, basic solution is prime ground for the reaction to occur. To obtain better results you should keep the heat on the water instead of letting it cool down.
First 2019 video, thanks for providing the content. Great parting words.
Ah yes, the Magical Internet Cure™
Happy new year, pocket
I've seen that trick used in restoring chrome parts on motorcycle but they rub the aluminium foil on the chrome and use the baking soda as a polisher paste. they don't submerge the things in hot water at all.
That came out super nice! I recently did the same thing but different. I just soaked it for a few days in apple cider vinegar, rinsed it then wiped with a soft cloth. It came out beautifully. The amount of silt at the bottom of the container of the vinegar though was so gross. :P Happy New Year. :D - Heidi Edit: Just went to get my little silver pot (looks like it might have been intended as a sugar dish?) and it has the same design as your bigger piece. :D
Yeah I was wondering why he didn't go the vinegar route probably because the aluminum and baking soda and salt method is more fun
You totally robbed us of at least the audio reaction of that surprised look reaction...
Part of me wonders if polishing cloth normally comes mounted on some sort of handle...regardless, amazing video!
So I did this yesterday! I used a bunch of vinegar, table salt, and boiling water. The silver and aluminum acts as a cathode anode in a short circuit, the vinegar frees ions and the salt acts as an electrolyte. I did have to use elbow grease. I noticed a strong sulfur smell. If you smell gotten eggs you're doing it right
I used NaCl
I also learned it's the copper that tarnishes, and not the silver.
I kept thinking, "Has this man never watched Antiques Roadshow?"
I have done this procedure and it worked for me without all that prepolishing, but I had the pot on the stove with the water boiling at all time, the boiling water seems to make the action quicker.
Would changing your polishing rag to a fresh one speed the process up at all?
My experience with cleaning fat cooked onto dishes intuits that a cleaner scrub pad will clean faster than one inundated with grime. I don't know if that behaviour of grease and nylon extends to metals and polishing rags.
Mrs. pocket is one lucky lady to have a husband just do this, without being asked at all, you’re a great husband, keep it up
I love that Eagle One polish! I use it on my horns, but I think it works better if you use several wads of polish, because that black stuff gets all over the place. Usually I throw out the wad once it gets totally saturated. Wasteful? Maybe. But that stuff isn't expensive and honestly the time it takes isn't worth it
Using the information on the bottom and a little bit of google-fu, I reckon it could be as far back as the fifties, which is not nearly as old as I expected.
for resale, the patina does hold a lot of the value- about half way it looked perfect, though it looks good cleaned up to
We almost saw your face :)
Happy new year from Sweden.
Mrs Pocket is so lucky. You're the perfect Hsu and you are so busy with your projects and gaming she never has to worry a out you getting a side chic 😂😂
I watched the aluminum method. It is supposed to be touching the surface of the silver not just floating. I watched a different video and they took black off of stuff but they made sure the surfaces are touching which is not happening as much in yours.
If you use a bit of salt it may help more. And use baking soda to help scrub spots. By using salt in equal parts baking soda you can use water that is not as hot.
Can please talk about how you know this is sterling silver. Thank you
Axe head shopping? Well I'm not surprised, it looks like our beloved Pocket has been bought out by big axe head. In their pocket as it were....
I like your new font style
Nevr-Dull is great for brass and copper, for silver though you are better off using a paste.
So . . . I have a 2nd place pewter plate from the Fred Astarie dancing school that I picked up at a flea market. His autograph is inscribed in the metal. You can no longer see it well, but if you used a maginfying glass, it is quite clear. Do you think this method would work with pewter?
Looks like this is the main channel now.
No, it's just different. That channel is for higher production stuff. It's more geometric/mathematical, and it's mass audience friendly. I may sell out on that one and take some sponsorships. I'm more (too) honest here.
Wish we got to see/hear the reaction of your misses.
Line the pot with the foil so it’s in constant contact with the silver. Add the baking soda in the water and directly on the silver add some salt as well.
Happy New Year
Couldnt you have done the whole thing with a power tool and saved time?
I got to 2min but couldn't handle the sound of the polishing :D hahaahhah
So, what was her reaction?
Totally amazed you never grabbed any ali-foil to polish with......That used stuff.
I wonder if you need fresh water once the reaction has stopped. There may be to much in solution.
Good job on the restoration. I am curious though, why didn't you use the buffer wheel to begin with? Asking due to lack of knowledge.
Buffing is kind of a final step. Think of it as like one million grit sandpaper. If you just started buffing right away, you would get a smear of brown stuff peppered with the occasional shiny spot. Would've been a cool experiment, though.
I'm polishat
what kind of scrubbing sponge are you using?
i'd use more of that scrubby stuff in your hand then a small tiny piece.
Does anyone know what the value of this would be? Surely more than 1 Dollar.
Hi Pocket,
I was going to send you a youtube message about this, but the button on your about page(s) does not show. It's not a topic I'm so passionate about as to create a physical letter cencerning, as much as entertaining the idea entertains me. So I will instead leave a comment on your most recent video in the hope that you will see it and respond.
What do you think of rapid prototyping equipment? You're clearly a worksman, who can build things with some level of skill, what's your take on things like lasercutters, 3D printers, etc? Rapid prototyping and small scale manufacturing, all in your own home! Also, what are your thoughts on CNC machines? You seem moderately techy, do you have any CNC stuff in the shop?
Thanks,
A long-time fan
Super-interesting. When I was a kid, I had two unrealistic technological dreams: one was virtual reality, and the other was 3D printing. I always knew we would get there. As for my part with it, I'm just no longer on the tech curve.
If you can manufacture your own parts and prototypes, I think that's great. It's just another tool of self-sufficiency as far as I'm concerned. As long as you have the time, energy, space, and interest- oh, and assuming that the machine pays for itself in productivity- then I think it's awesome. Just be careful not to rationalize your new tools! If you start to slip down that slope, be sure to keep it in perspective that it's a hobby rather than an employment; the difference between a toy and a tool being that one is usually an entertainment that comes at your expense.
Will I ever get one? CNC, no. I have yet to find an operation that I can't repeat if pushed to do so. Same with laser-cutters. Further, both of them are cost (space, time, money) prohibitive. A 3D printer? Maybe, someday. They are pretty cool ;)
did she like it? also amazing work. with all these mirror like metals you’re playing a dangerous troll
Polishes are not tarnish removers, they are only used to "buff" up the piece to make it shiny.
So, what? If a polish contains a solvent, then it is still removing some of the causes of the tarnish. Besides, buffing (with a polish) is a mechanical process that removes material- oxidized metal being the outermost layer in this case.
Are you suggesting something else, or are you telling me that what I did didn't work?
Yes, some polishes do contain solvents, but most(?) do not. Obviously, I did see what you did remove the tarnish, but removing large amounts of tarnish is not its main purpose.
I meant to say that polish is basically like sandpaper. It works by wearing away the silver and tarnish, but you don't want to remove the silver. That's why you should use a chemical cleaner, something that removes the oxygen from the silver oxide, leaving the silver where it is supposed to be.
The solution for dipping silverware contains Salt baking soda and boiling water in a tray that is lined with aluminium foil and it doesn’t need scrubbing or minutes it’s instant reaction
Yeah, no. Try reading some comments. The efficacy of the process has been dramatically overstated by the internets.
really satisfying!
So when you put the silver into the water, the interior was totally black, and appeared to have not been worked on at all, but after the soak, it was definitely less dirty, did you work on the inside of the pitcher (no idea what that is actually called) before you put it in the pot?
What can you do if you don't have a buffing wheel?
Soft cloth and more elbow grease.
Buy a buffing wheel
The "silver" pot says "Made in USA." It does not show the word "sterling" or the number "925." Ergo, it is plate and fully worth the one dollar purchase price.
Dismissive comments like that one are often so devoid of nuance that I seriously question my motives for replying to them. Oh well, even the lowliest slime-mold serves its function; ergo, here's some sustenance for you: I'm sure your own collection of silver objects has "worth" enough to be much desired. So by all means, suck on your satisfaction-just do it somewhere else, without slurping around here.
My wife finds it to be beautiful. She uses it to water plants. Seems at least one motive might be to defend her opinion of value over that of some random nay-saying internet protist, huh?
@@pocket83squared Over time I have acquired a good number of silver creamers, sugar bowls, candlesnuffers, and other bowls large enough to be used for non-acidic condiments. From time to time I'll buy unusual silver-soldered items such as used in hotels in the 19th and 20th centuries. Plate? Yes, if the item is of unusual design. I recently bought a tray attached to a slim stem resting on a base of little carved cupids. Think shallow silver 'wineglass' with nuts or caviar instead of wine. Plate...but no mark of origin or manufacture. This stunning object cost $3 at a yard sale in a little town east of Los Angeles way out in the sticks at th edge of the desert. How the rustics who sold it to me got it might be a story in itself. So, plate is usually of little value, but once in a while the odd piece comes along to belie that statement. At the moment the caviar bowl remains at $3.
Great video! And another face reveal tease👌
How did Mrs. Pocket react?
Was there a method for the hand polishing? Of course you want to swirl in a circular motion, but I also noticed that you were moving/rotating the pot quite frequently. I guess I can see the benefit of doing "layers" of removal vs. spot polishing, but have you found a significant difference in these two?
Sure. Staying in the same position for too long wears you out faster. Also, keeping it in motion allows the solvent to do its work where possible.
@@pocket83squared Thank you for the advice. It's appreciated!
How did you know it wasn't really old stainless steel? The oxidization color, or did it say on the bottom? (question)
It said silver on the bottom
How about using a large pot made out of baking soda
“English Silver” is plated. Also piece does not have the markings for sterling
So excited to hear you have a crack at a proper 'aluminium' :-p
Irrelevant.
@@pocket83squared woohoo, a reply from the man himself, even if I am being put in my place :) international pronunciation digs aside, I love the varied content you produce and the mix of practical tips and intellectual stimulation you provide. I hope you enjoy making as much as we enjoy watching.
Thanks a bunch. Now why wouldn't you lead with something nice like that? So much better than the petty and trite stuff I have to hear everyday. It also makes me more receptive to _actual_ criticism.
@@pocket83squared oh dear, suddenly I learn that what should be a friendly poke in person, makes me an internet troll in writing! My apologies. I hope that at least some of the others you get are as well intentioned but poorly communicated as mine.
Yes. I think they are. It's hard to tell when you are reading them, since so many of them are from so many different cultures. Add to that the fact that most young people are poor communicators to begin with. Speech is just soooo much different. Humor is also much different. Some people really do get angry over pronunciations! And whether or not _aluminum_ is spelled/spelt with the extra 'I'. And ESPECIALLY over measurement systems.
Maybe a good general rule is to check the existing comments first, since many of those pokes start to become bruises after a few hundred of them.
Hey, if it's of any use to you, I want you to know that I've also had my perspective altered from doing this: I had no idea what large-scale presentations meant. The world is far stranger than I would have known; its people are far more similar than I would've thought, yet far more varied in small ways that I would never have predicted.
Will there be a face reveal in the near future? Im picking up hints...
No. There's no reason to. I don't want to be spotted in the wild.
pocket83² thats reasonable, i remember you mentioning this in another video.
I just saw you play around with reflections in your last video, that made me suspicious :D
How long did it take you to achieve the end product?
Dude your suppose to use dawn dish soap and the soda😂😂
Awesome work! but you really need to ask first, as it kinda looked awesome before in a different way.
You're right. She said the same thing. I really just jumped in, assuming that nobody would want it tarnished. In retrospect, it was reckless.
@@pocket83squared So... Next video...
"How to make a shiny silver thing look really old again."
It could be a collab with punished props!
Oxidation*
In university, my grades in chemistry were nearly supernatural. I loved the study, and I even set a record on one of the major exams. But I couldn't stand the chemistry people! All they ever seem to care about is semantics, with nearly no mind given to utility. Irrelevant, nerd.
unsubscribed
There are plenty more where you came from. lol.
Whats your fucking problem dude? Wife wanted the patina?
@@pocket83squared What did you go to university to study? I plan to be an engineer, and I like that your videos concern the process of solving problems. While your methods are not always the most efficient, they seem to result in you becoming a more learned individual. My current problem is deciding on an exact field of engineering...
You know, you can be a crusty bastard in your videos, but you blew your image in that last comment. May you continue to receive, and cherish, those looks from Mrs. Pocket.
The layers of clothes underneath are clean! Besides, if you shine yourself up just to work in the shop, that is simply insecurity. If you are doing it for the sake of viewers, then it is self-indulgence. I work in old jeans.
Honestly, it's surprising that I don't get more comments about it, considering what a bunch of painted-up pansies many of the gen X/Y hipsters and millennials are. The tight pants! And the pink fingers! How does one climb a tree in such a state, let alone get "looks"?