On doing some of my own testing and not trusting reddit, it seems like snapshotting mechanics are a bit more complicated than I describe in the video. Totem's are not snapshotting so getting Dawnstriders is more important than I realized for good uptime, AoE effects like from the Impact ascendancy on kill are snapshotting so the playstyle shouldnt change that much, just place ancestral totem more often. Also make sure not to roll Temporal Chains or Vulnerability on maps, forgot to mention Vuln also bricks the selfcurse combo, other than that it can play all map mods.
Hi! Did you end up figuring out the details of the "snapshotting" mechanics? These are the conclusions I've reached so far (purely theorycrafting, haven't had the chance to test) I. Assuming you have infinite rage regen, you would run out when the cost of berserker + rage vortex is higher than your total rage pool. This happens after 26.25s with 50 rage and every 10 rage extends it by 6.25s. II. Given the fact exerted attacks are used during the attack, but benefit the full duration of the vortex, you could do this before each cast: 1. Weapon swap to redblade shield 2. Seismic cry. Attack 3 times to stack the aoe from seismic cry 3 times (120% inc aoe in total). 3. Then, in any order: - Ancestral cry for +0.6 attack range - Intimidating cry for double dmg - Ambush for +50% increased critical strike chance and 140% increased critical strike multi - Rallying cry (needs allies) for +5% more dmg per ally, up to 25%. 4. Finally cast ragevortex Battlemage and infernal cry are not likely to work besides the first tick ever. Totem should dinamically update when you are there (as it does with "normal" attacks) Ofc all this prep every 26s might be annoying/not needed in actual gameplay, but I want to understand the mechanics then decide what to do for the different types of content.
@@dulahan7858 Hey, yeah I think you're right about the mechanics in terms of exerted buffs work but totems etc are dynamic. But the problem is most exerted stuff just doesn't work with RV, basically only Intimidating works because it doesn't have the right tags. Ancestral Cry is "strike" skill specific, Seismic is "slam" only, and Ambush specifies "cannot be exerted by other skills"(and 1h only aswell) so you can't stack it with intimidating. So you're left with just Intimidating and Rallying pretty much.
Haha yeah, unfortunately for when it comes to uber bossing its the cyclone that needs to be hitting the boss a lot of the time, also need proximity for close combat and Impact to be effective on high HP targets. But that is pretty funny 😁
@@eteernpampam2798 Yeah kind of, I started as Bladestorm until I got my first 2 voidstones. I would recommend using bladestorm with 2h axe until you get atleast some basic gear like a 5-link and a decent sword for RV. Its also abit hard to cap resists early on with all these required uniques. So you would be playing bladestorm probably into yellow maps atleast as a leaguestarter.
Hello. I checked your day 1 profile. Based on your experience would you recommend to play acts and atlas progress with Bladestorm or with spectral helix ?
Personally I like Helix for the campaign atleast, once you get to maps its kind of a toss up but i'd say you wanna switch to Bladestorm before red maps so you can get fortify and be abit more tanky.
I am currently testing your day 1-2 setup as league start scenario. Feels really good and smooth in maps. Not sure if this amulet is worth 2divs on day 1 tho
@@LeGyLP Yeah depends on the economy I guess, since this is the first league it went into core drop pool I thought it would be more expensive tbh. It's so nice to play with imo, makes you pretty much immortal in maps and trivializes some boss mechanics, but yeah it's definately not mandatory since we have good recovery anyways with slayer leech.
Super cool build, do you think I can follow your tree from last league for bosser w/ Rakiata but use the the rage gem and cyclone and curse tech to make an updated Uber bosser?
Thank you! Hmm I can't say for sure. It might just be easier for an Uber bossing version like the old one to just scale more life regeneration and keep using Kaom's Spirit. I think the charms with Guardian mod, regenerate 20% of life over 1 second every 4 seconds could be enough if you get 3 of them to compensate for the Kaom's nerf. If you want to try it, keep in mind it doesn't have to be cyclone in shackles, anything that hits enemies can be used in its place, like a ranged spell might be easier for bossing. Biggest problem is you dont get any supports for it like GMP or something would have been nice. But im not sure what would be best, some steel skill maybe? Might be some new transfigured gem that has really nice coverage and range without any supports.
@@TaakiPoE awesome… keen to try it. Would you recommend a different skill than cyclone for bossing due to keeping range to avoid 1 shots as not quite tanky enough? Your AOE looks good and I like the instant full rage with chains when you keep hitting…. Would it work with a brand or anything funky like that?
I have a question, does the setup still work with dual wielding? for example if i take rigwald axes in one hand and ichimonji in the other or paradoxica or whatever or even double rigwald for more rage (or double psychotic axes) i tried cleave rage its fun to offscreen and playing glad... but i want to fix my build (getting one shot dps is ok, the clear is freaking awesome xploding things offscreen) and i never play melee so id like to swap to rage vortex with less cost possible following some guidance
Yeah that works, probably better for bossing. I would also recommend using another skill than cyclone in shackles to generate rage, something ranged. Someone suggested Storm Brand and I think that could be pretty good.
Yeah I did mention that but I can say here aswell I don't recommend this for Uber Bossing, regular Rage Vortex is just better mechanically and numberwise, and this setup is completely mapping focused with clusters only for explosions, Inspired Learning etc.
I think going crit can be a good option, probably even going elemental with Rakiata's Dance would be very good. But as far as Ambush goes, I only think its worth it when using Paradoxica where you automatically get double damage and don't need the Intimidating Cry. A Paradoxica crit version could be very cool aswell, but a very differently built character at that point.
Hey, yeah I saw this and tried a couple of 80% t16s. It works fine, but with Wildwood empowerment, some of the deli bosses and rares become pretty tanky, but survivability is not really an issue.
yea, kinda what i expected, i've been trying to theorycraft a juiced mapper with the use of the belt/glove tech, but it seems hard to push the damage any further since we arnt critting. I was iamgining a HH for the juiced mapping could be good, but then i would need a different way of sustaining rage, and i hate the feel of chainbreaker. A way to gainb rage would be using tinctures instead with the mod "gain rage when hitting rare mob" since it has no cd. But the charms are kinda busted. I've seen you comment elsewhere that a paradoxica crit variant would be better, but a different build, I'm probably going to try and start PoB'ing this, any input would be nice :D also: maybe we can apply curse from range with steel skill instead of cyclone?
@@JustPeter69420 Yeah i've never played with Ambush but assuming it does snapshot like Intimidating Cry with RV and it doesn't feel clunky it should work well with paradoxica. I think a 2h version with Rakiata's Dance going crit aswell would be good, using Oriath's End for explosions, but probably a lot higher budget. As another skill for triggering rage I think steel skills are probably decent yeah, storm brand could work nicely aswell.
@TaakiPoE Yea sorry i didn't preface that I am looking at making a much higher budget version. Is there a way to test if ambush snapshots? My plan is to go with rakiatas and crit set-up wether it snapshots or not since the damage will still probably be higher with high investment. After that I will start looking into fitting a hh and new gloves in and getting rage sustain elsewhere. I really just love the look and feel of rage vortex and want to push it this league, great video btw very informative and also really cool curse tech :D
@@JustPeter69420 Thanks man! Well for Rakiata's Intimidating Cry is gonna be better than Ambush almost certainly, only with Paradoxica is Ambush better because it already inherently has "double damage" which doesnt stack with Cry. If you wanted to test if it snapshots you would just damage test with it vs some map boss and then without it, if it doesnt snapshot then it would basically not do anything at all, just impract the very first hit. But yeah, Ambush doesn't let you exert with other skills so just go with Intimidating Cry for Rakiata's.
@@blakerichards7210 Frost666 is my poe acc name, TaakiRage is the character name. Like I mentioned in the video I played Bladestorm with 2h axe on leaguestart to get my first voidstones, only using 4-link RV as extra clear. Terminus Est is ok, but you don't benefit from any of the crit mods if you are running Precise Technique. I think Doomsower might be the best suited unique sword as a a starter weapon.
It was 15 divines when I made it, most prices went down but forbidden jewels went up. Probably 10 divines now, without forbidden inspirational jewels and 20 with them.
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On doing some of my own testing and not trusting reddit, it seems like snapshotting mechanics are a bit more complicated than I describe in the video. Totem's are not snapshotting so getting Dawnstriders is more important than I realized for good uptime, AoE effects like from the Impact ascendancy on kill are snapshotting so the playstyle shouldnt change that much, just place ancestral totem more often.
Also make sure not to roll Temporal Chains or Vulnerability on maps, forgot to mention Vuln also bricks the selfcurse combo, other than that it can play all map mods.
Hi! Did you end up figuring out the details of the "snapshotting" mechanics?
These are the conclusions I've reached so far (purely theorycrafting, haven't had the chance to test)
I. Assuming you have infinite rage regen, you would run out when the cost of berserker + rage vortex is higher than your total rage pool. This happens after 26.25s with 50 rage and every 10 rage extends it by 6.25s.
II. Given the fact exerted attacks are used during the attack, but benefit the full duration of the vortex, you could do this before each cast:
1. Weapon swap to redblade shield
2. Seismic cry. Attack 3 times to stack the aoe from seismic cry 3 times (120% inc aoe in total).
3. Then, in any order:
- Ancestral cry for +0.6 attack range
- Intimidating cry for double dmg
- Ambush for +50% increased critical strike chance and 140% increased critical strike multi
- Rallying cry (needs allies) for +5% more dmg per ally, up to 25%.
4. Finally cast ragevortex
Battlemage and infernal cry are not likely to work besides the first tick ever. Totem should dinamically update when you are there (as it does with "normal" attacks)
Ofc all this prep every 26s might be annoying/not needed in actual gameplay, but I want to understand the mechanics then decide what to do for the different types of content.
@@dulahan7858 Hey, yeah I think you're right about the mechanics in terms of exerted buffs work but totems etc are dynamic.
But the problem is most exerted stuff just doesn't work with RV, basically only Intimidating works because it doesn't have the right tags. Ancestral Cry is "strike" skill specific, Seismic is "slam" only, and Ambush specifies "cannot be exerted by other skills"(and 1h only aswell) so you can't stack it with intimidating. So you're left with just Intimidating and Rallying pretty much.
I like the "plays pretty melee"section as the rage vortex literally hits the entire screen.
Haha yeah, unfortunately for when it comes to uber bossing its the cyclone that needs to be hitting the boss a lot of the time, also need proximity for close combat and Impact to be effective on high HP targets. But that is pretty funny 😁
Here's the full guide for my Rage Vortex of Berserking Slayer finally. Let me know if you have any questions or input!
Can i league start with this?
@@eteernpampam2798 Yeah kind of, I started as Bladestorm until I got my first 2 voidstones. I would recommend using bladestorm with 2h axe until you get atleast some basic gear like a 5-link and a decent sword for RV. Its also abit hard to cap resists early on with all these required uniques. So you would be playing bladestorm probably into yellow maps atleast as a leaguestarter.
Cool build!
Thanks! 😁
Just subbed. I wil start my league in 48 hours. got a thesis to write first. No sleep for me tomorrow xD
Haha thanks, and good luck!
Hello. I checked your day 1 profile. Based on your experience would you recommend to play acts and atlas progress with Bladestorm or with spectral helix ?
Personally I like Helix for the campaign atleast, once you get to maps its kind of a toss up but i'd say you wanna switch to Bladestorm before red maps so you can get fortify and be abit more tanky.
I am currently testing your day 1-2 setup as league start scenario. Feels really good and smooth in maps.
Not sure if this amulet is worth 2divs on day 1 tho
@@LeGyLP Yeah depends on the economy I guess, since this is the first league it went into core drop pool I thought it would be more expensive tbh. It's so nice to play with imo, makes you pretty much immortal in maps and trivializes some boss mechanics, but yeah it's definately not mandatory since we have good recovery anyways with slayer leech.
It being warcry spamming build - basically multiple button build and having to manage rage always drove me away from the idea of playing the build :/
Super cool build, do you think I can follow your tree from last league for bosser w/ Rakiata but use the the rage gem and cyclone and curse tech to make an updated Uber bosser?
Thank you! Hmm I can't say for sure.
It might just be easier for an Uber bossing version like the old one to just scale more life regeneration and keep using Kaom's Spirit. I think the charms with Guardian mod, regenerate 20% of life over 1 second every 4 seconds could be enough if you get 3 of them to compensate for the Kaom's nerf.
If you want to try it, keep in mind it doesn't have to be cyclone in shackles, anything that hits enemies can be used in its place, like a ranged spell might be easier for bossing. Biggest problem is you dont get any supports for it like GMP or something would have been nice. But im not sure what would be best, some steel skill maybe? Might be some new transfigured gem that has really nice coverage and range without any supports.
@@TaakiPoE awesome… keen to try it. Would you recommend a different skill than cyclone for bossing due to keeping range to avoid 1 shots as not quite tanky enough? Your AOE looks good and I like the instant full rage with chains when you keep hitting…. Would it work with a brand or anything funky like that?
@@BabyDixieKong Yeah, storm brand sounds like it would be perfect!
@@TaakiPoE tried bodyswap, its nice too
I have a question, does the setup still work with dual wielding? for example if i take rigwald axes in one hand and ichimonji in the other or paradoxica or whatever or even double rigwald for more rage (or double psychotic axes) i tried cleave rage its fun to offscreen and playing glad... but i want to fix my build (getting one shot dps is ok, the clear is freaking awesome xploding things offscreen) and i never play melee so id like to swap to rage vortex with less cost possible following some guidance
Yeah the Shackles and Chains combo works with any weapons, or any skill if you wanted to put the Cleave in there or try something different.
This might be stupid to ask but is it possible to gem swap to normal rage vortex for higher single target dps?
Yeah that works, probably better for bossing. I would also recommend using another skill than cyclone in shackles to generate rage, something ranged. Someone suggested Storm Brand and I think that could be pretty good.
Can u tell about bossing? Can this build kill Uber bosses?
Yeah I did mention that but I can say here aswell I don't recommend this for Uber Bossing, regular Rage Vortex is just better mechanically and numberwise, and this setup is completely mapping focused with clusters only for explosions, Inspired Learning etc.
Any opinion on if using Ambush and swapping to a crit version would be worth it?
I think going crit can be a good option, probably even going elemental with Rakiata's Dance would be very good. But as far as Ambush goes, I only think its worth it when using Paradoxica where you automatically get double damage and don't need the Intimidating Cry.
A Paradoxica crit version could be very cool aswell, but a very differently built character at that point.
@@TaakiPoE Makes sense. Going to respec my Blade Storm character into this and give it a try. Thank you for the build guide :)
can i swap cyclone for rage cleave
Yeah, any skill that hits works.
Would this be possible to run 80% deli maps?
Hey, yeah I saw this and tried a couple of 80% t16s. It works fine, but with Wildwood empowerment, some of the deli bosses and rares become pretty tanky, but survivability is not really an issue.
yea, kinda what i expected, i've been trying to theorycraft a juiced mapper with the use of the belt/glove tech, but it seems hard to push the damage any further since we arnt critting. I was iamgining a HH for the juiced mapping could be good, but then i would need a different way of sustaining rage, and i hate the feel of chainbreaker. A way to gainb rage would be using tinctures instead with the mod "gain rage when hitting rare mob" since it has no cd. But the charms are kinda busted.
I've seen you comment elsewhere that a paradoxica crit variant would be better, but a different build, I'm probably going to try and start PoB'ing this, any input would be nice :D
also: maybe we can apply curse from range with steel skill instead of cyclone?
@@JustPeter69420 Yeah i've never played with Ambush but assuming it does snapshot like Intimidating Cry with RV and it doesn't feel clunky it should work well with paradoxica. I think a 2h version with Rakiata's Dance going crit aswell would be good, using Oriath's End for explosions, but probably a lot higher budget.
As another skill for triggering rage I think steel skills are probably decent yeah, storm brand could work nicely aswell.
@TaakiPoE Yea sorry i didn't preface that I am looking at making a much higher budget version. Is there a way to test if ambush snapshots?
My plan is to go with rakiatas and crit set-up wether it snapshots or not since the damage will still probably be higher with high investment. After that I will start looking into fitting a hh and new gloves in and getting rage sustain elsewhere.
I really just love the look and feel of rage vortex and want to push it this league, great video btw very informative and also really cool curse tech :D
@@JustPeter69420 Thanks man! Well for Rakiata's Intimidating Cry is gonna be better than Ambush almost certainly, only with Paradoxica is Ambush better because it already inherently has "double damage" which doesnt stack with Cry.
If you wanted to test if it snapshots you would just damage test with it vs some map boss and then without it, if it doesnt snapshot then it would basically not do anything at all, just impract the very first hit. But yeah, Ambush doesn't let you exert with other skills so just go with Intimidating Cry for Rakiata's.
how can you have only one curse on you?
Since I'm applying the curses myself, and my curse limit is 1.
how did you do that, that your limit is 1 curse
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@@derdavid5676 1 is the default, same as I can only put one curse on the enemy by default, I can only put 1 on myself.
What sword can I use pre starforge?
Just a rare 2h sword with as high physical dps as you can get your hands on.
@@TaakiPoE is your profile on POE ninja ?
@@TaakiPoE would terminal-est be a good alt till I can get my hand on starforge ?
@@blakerichards7210 Frost666 is my poe acc name, TaakiRage is the character name. Like I mentioned in the video I played Bladestorm with 2h axe on leaguestart to get my first voidstones, only using 4-link RV as extra clear.
Terminus Est is ok, but you don't benefit from any of the crit mods if you are running Precise Technique. I think Doomsower might be the best suited unique sword as a a starter weapon.
how much this build?
It was 15 divines when I made it, most prices went down but forbidden jewels went up. Probably 10 divines now, without forbidden inspirational jewels and 20 with them.