Thank you so much for this video. I am a Leeds high school teacher creating a homework on local engineers from Leeds. This video has been fantastic for giving me background and knowledge of David Joys achievements!
I will be honest, the moment I saw this episode appear in my Subscriptions list I let out a squee of delight like a little schoolgirl. You may recall that I have been requesting a look at this class ever since the very first round of Rail Story videos on Rocket, Planet, and Lion. Thank you, my very good sir, for finally shedding light on one of my favorite classes of early British steam.
Have been excited about this one for some time - I first encountered this engine in a really well illustrated book from the mid 70s and I always thought its proportions and vibrant boiler details made it quite cute. Really interesting to learn that Hackworth was involved with building these otherwise Stephenson-outline engines, I wonder how he felt about building something to such drawings? Also had no idea they made 2-4-0 versions. The draftsman monologue was really something special, almost having an artistic quality to the way he went about designing this thing - Such a different way of thinking in those days.
I'm so glad you enjoyed it. Feedback from everyone for me makes it so worth while. Hackworth was operating as a commercial locomotive builder, and had been from around 1840. What we do know is that he took on more than he could handle with these locos for the L𝒷 got into serious debt and all sorts of problems. 'Sans Pareil II' and the subsequent publicity stunt smacks of desperation to keep his business running. Sadly, Hackworth doesnt appear to have modernised and adopted much in the way of machine tools etc sticking with the old smith tradition.... no wonder his locos were so expensive, and he ran into problems in face of competition from the likes of Sharp, Roberts & Co of Manchester or even E B Wilsons who were very early exponents of machine tools and standard designs.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Mr. Dawson, I certainly enjoyed the voice-actor reading out the letter! it was an amazing touch that I hope is replicated in future videos! while i'm thinking about it, will you be covering the Sharp Stewart Furness Railway K2 4-4-0s at any point?as a side note, in my own research, i found that engines such as the Furness Railway K2 and NRS 4-4-0 107 in the Netherlands appear to be the exact same locomotive, which were built by the same firm of Sharp Stewart. Am i correct in assuming that they are very much identical? sorry for such a long comment lol, hope you have a great day!
@@EpsilonR_ Gald you enjoyed Andy's contribution! :-) Sharp Stewart produced standard types, available "off the peg" rather like Beyer, Peacock did. So they probably are exactly the same design.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Oh, ok! K2s are a very nice looking engine, I'm glad at least one engine of similar design still survives into the modern era, albeit raised off the ground a considerable distance lol, still not sure why they did so
My own link to Jenny Lind is that when first diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes, I was treated by the Jenny Lind children's hospital (part of the N&NUH in Norwich)
Similar engines have been produced for quite some time by BP, the Dutch State Railways (Staatsspoor) had very similar looking locomotives like the Portugese example, but with only inside frames. Being built between 1863 and 1866 they were of a later date but still very true to the Jenny Lind design. There were 2 versions, a 2-2-2 Class NS600 and a 2-4-0 as class NS700. There is one of the 2-4-0 type preserved as a static exhibit, SS13 of 1865.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Thanks very much for replying to my comment. It's nice to see other people's work to get idea to improve my channel. Take Care & Stay Safe.
@@medwaymodelrailway7129 My pleasure. Believe me, as a long covid patient, I'm doing my best to stay safe. One of the biggest improvements I found for my own channel was a decent mic.Expensive but oh so worth it. Cheers!
Thanks for this - a beautiful locomotive, and a beautiful model. What a shame we haven't got either a preserved 'true' Jenny, or a replica to admire. (although I think Mike Sharman made a 4mm scale model of her a long time ago.)
Mike Sharman wasn't a modeller - he was more like a watchmaker; I remember being amazed at them - they were built before tiny Japanese motors were cheaply available, virtually everything was hand crafted.
are you going to do a episode on any Quarry Hunslet engines? back in 2004 I had a very interesting footplate ride on one built in 1883 named Lilian who was named after the Daughter of the welsh slate Quarry where the engine spent her working life
Some of my friends speculate that the BP engine Göta is an enlarged Jenny Lind design, how much truth lies in that is questionable but I can see their reasoning behind the idea. I agree the Jenny Lind is beautifully proportioned, much like it's namesake, and that running model is exquisite.
I'd agree with that assessment.The give away is the used of double frames for the driving vs carrying wheels. Don Luiz in Portugal is identical. it's not a straight out copy but certainly inspired by.
Lovely upload, with clever and enjoyable model locomotive footage-it really added life to these extinct engines. Thanks for making and sharing! Also, is this the Joy of “Joy valve gear”?
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory oh, interesting, thanks. It’s not widely used, but I have operated and maintained a (compound) steam sloop with Joy’s valve gear, and the simplicity and near-instant manoeuvrability are endearing. Less so the lubrication of die block and slide.
@@foowashere Joy Valve Gear was used pretty much exclusively by the LNWR and the Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway. I also think John Fowler of Leeds used it on their Steam Traction Engines.
What a marvelous little engine! Quite a beautiful piece of steam, does anyone know where one might find drawings or "blueprints" of this locomotive? I'm a 3-D modeler and I can't seem to find measurements of this locomotive.
Great video she looks very nice and a interesting history of the locomotive .The model looks gteat as well was it filmed at the Urmston and District Model Engineering Society Ltd at Abbotsfield Park Flixton Manchester.
They were more attractive than Gray's design and had, instead, Stepenson Link motion. C.Hamilton Ellis notes that Jenny was No.60, culminating in No.68 with a Big Jenny as 69 (with internal feed pumps). Strangely, the Jennies were being built and delivered before Hackworth had completed the Gray order, that last was also numbered 60. This was resolved by giving it the number 70. John Gray was succeeded by Samuel Kirtley, who ordered the Jennies and his successor, John Chester Craven, also produced a series of Jenny-Sharp hybrids. (Hope this is right!).
Nearly - Thomas Kirtley, a brother of Matthew Kirtley, was appointed to succeed Gray, but he died after only a few months in post due to a brain tumour. Craven - a Leeds lad who had also been apprenticed at the Round Foundry - then got the job.
the second locomotive to arrive in Mexico was a locomotive identical to Jenny Lind, the only difference is that the locomotive that arrived in Mexico was built by Couillet In fact, in Francisco Garma Franco's book "Railroads In Mexico Vol I" .That same drawing that you put of the locomotive appears
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory I highly recommend the Railroads In Mexico Vol I written by Francisco Garma Franco, there you can learn a lot about the first Railways in Mexico
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory I can send you some photographs of the first English and Belgian locomotives that arrived in Mexico through Gmail or some other social network, here in Mexico we had Patentee, Planet, etc.
First thought. 'Boy. Those Victorians must have been tiny people.' 😁 I've seen boiler pressures mentioned many times, but how are they determined? What makes a 180psi boiler different to a 220psi boiler?
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory I knew I wouldn't be able to ask the question properly. What I'm trying to ask is how is the pressure controlled? It can't be just by the fireman stopping to shovel coal when the boiler reaches a certain pressure or the safety valve operating when it reaches that pressure can it?
@@Poliss95 A boiler is rated to a different maximum working pressure when it is built, They're then hydraulically tested - called an air over water test - at 1.5 times over maximum boiler pressure to check for leaks and if the boiler can maintain that. Its then tested on steam... Every boiler has a maximum safe working pressure, which is indicated on the pressure gauge usually by a red line. Part of the test is that the safety valves open at the maximum safe working pressure and are of sufficient size to dump sufficient steam pressure to keep pressure at the red line, and also that they close as well. I prefer Ramsbottom safety valves as they start to "feather" before they blow unlike American Ross "pop" safety valves which give no warning that they're about to open and then all hell is let loose for a few minutes and then snap shut again. Weighted lever safety valves also give a fair warning, too. When the locomotive is working boiler pressure will fluctuate with the demands of the cylinders. the boiler pressure can be controlled through various means: e.g. control of the fire through not putting more coal on and through use of the dampers to control the rate of the burn; and through use of the injector to put cold water back into the boiler and therefore lower the pressure. All sorts of little tricks to stop the boiler blowing off and wasting steam. It means keeping an eye on the boiler pressure, water in the boiler, and state of the fire. A boiler can be blowing off and the fire be almost out if the loco is stationary. So in a nutshell, if the boiler is blowing off, stop shovelling and /or stop putting coal on and put some watter in it/shut the dampers. The fireman isn't shovelling all the time, a little and often, filling holes. And the type of fire depends on the coal and firebox. But usually "little and often" holds true so you don't black the fire out and/or cause a lot of black smoke because the blacked out fire is too cold (putting on more coal cools the fire, so too cold air through the firebox door) to burn off the volatile matter. I've a feeling I might have to do a "how to be a fireman" video now.... If its blowing its tits off, stop putting coal on.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory I remember Rosling Bennett mentioning a Northumbrian type stalled on an incline and the driver hanging a coupling chain on the balance, as well as screwing it down, then walking ahead and shouting "Come up you beggar". When it did, he climbed aboard and removed the coupling chain (how the fireman never saw?) and she blew off, it was probably heard miles away.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Part of the reason I asked was because of 4472 being fitted with Salmon Trout's higher pressure A4 boiler which caused problems with other mechanical components. I've seen the LMS archive film 'Little and Often' on UA-cam. 😁 You want light grey smoke coming out of the chimney, not no smoke or black smoke. I did have a go at firing a stationary boiler. I never once manage to avoid hitting the sides of the stoke hole. lol
As a fireman I would have been ticked off for producing more steam than required, the safety valves lifting all the time, and using more coal than necessary. However brilliant post, amazing none exist today.
My first visit to Paddington saw two 5700 panniers at the two heads of stock they had just brought in. I will never forget the din caused by the furious blowing off from the nearest pannier.
At 3:12 it is quoted "a 10ft 6in boiler as big in diameter as I could get it." Seems far too big a diameter to fit the locomotive. Not measuring plans, it seems to be no more than five or six feet diameter. Is the 10ft 6 inch referring to some other measurement than diameter? Cannot imagine what part of the boiler is being referred to. Jenny Lind the ABBA of her time perhaps.
So even after listening to the maker's description, I am still confused. The firebox is in the rear of the boiler, with tubes running forward, a smoke box to the front of the boiler and the corresponding smoke stack in the front. That seems fairly standard. Smoke from the fire comes out of the smoke stack in the front. What I do not understand is the rear "smoke stack". The little steamer had a near constant emission. Was it steam? Smoke from the fire? The description seemed to indicate the rear stack is for over-pressure safety valves. So the little steamer's boiler was always beyond limit? and thus dumping steam continuously? If so, that seems entirely wasteful. I'd be grateful if someone would clarify the rear stack. Further, clarifying why the little steamer had a constant emission. Thank you in advance for your kind reply!
On the prototype, this is an example of sprung safety valves, the bonnet (which you called a stack) being used as both decoration and to direct ejected steam up and away from the crew standing behind it on the footplate. On the miniature locomotive I would imagine the driver was a bit too keen with his firing, what with the steam generation being high enough as to keep the safety valves lifted!
The Great Western designs, even still built into the 1950s, employed a brass, bell-mouthed safety valve cover. Good firing should ensure little waste of steam thro' the valves and also no unburnt coal exiting the chimney (stack).
Thanks for this video - filled out a lot of details I didn't know. As you say, it's a very attractive locomotive design; such a shame there are no plans to build a working replica - it would be in great demand for films, so might well repay the investment of building it. In your opinion, would it be difficult to build an authentic-looking replica which met modern safety standards? - and, similarly, would authentic-looking coaches be possible?
All replica locomotives are basically look-a-likes. Not one of them are built exactly as per the original due to modern safety standards and pressure vessel regulations. It would cost bout £1million to build a Jenny Lind. But, as we discovered even with a replica of Lion/Titfield Thunderbolt, unless the locomotive is well known and enthusiasts want to contribute to the build, it won't get built. Authentic, wooden bodied coaches are also possible, but could only operated on heritage lines. You'd never be able to run wooden bodied stock on the mainline. Many heritage lines in the UK operate original or heavily restored wooden coaches.
Quite easy with a miniature like this - needs maximum boiler pressure really. Sometimes the full size ones do as well: ont he Railway I volunteer at if a load of coal wagons are being taken up the 'Foxfield Bank' (in places as steep as 1:21) it needs to be blowing its head off at the foot of the bank to get up, but wouldn't do it otherwise.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Oh, I am so sorry!! It sounds just like 'music hall' - I went back to listen again to make sure! Ah well, as they were stressing in 'Singing In The Rain', we all need good diction and 'round vowels' - especially if we are to communicate with a world-wide audience these days.
Am I the only one who wishes he always did the “impersonating” voice he does when he quotes people?
It’s amazing!
Wow, what a beautyful and smooth running model!!!!
Thank you very much!
Thank you so much for this video. I am a Leeds high school teacher creating a homework on local engineers from Leeds. This video has been fantastic for giving me background and knowledge of David Joys achievements!
Glad it was helpful! The other important local engineer from Leeds is James Kitson, and of course Matthew Murray and John Blenkinsop.
That was fantastic! The background footage of the model steamer added so much to it.
Thank you very much!
I will be honest, the moment I saw this episode appear in my Subscriptions list I let out a squee of delight like a little schoolgirl. You may recall that I have been requesting a look at this class ever since the very first round of Rail Story videos on Rocket, Planet, and Lion. Thank you, my very good sir, for finally shedding light on one of my favorite classes of early British steam.
Additional squee of delight.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory squee! XD
Thanks for the heart! ❤️😉👍
thanks for the heart! ❤
absolute beauty of a engine and the name fits perfectly
Have been excited about this one for some time - I first encountered this engine in a really well illustrated book from the mid 70s and I always thought its proportions and vibrant boiler details made it quite cute. Really interesting to learn that Hackworth was involved with building these otherwise Stephenson-outline engines, I wonder how he felt about building something to such drawings? Also had no idea they made 2-4-0 versions.
The draftsman monologue was really something special, almost having an artistic quality to the way he went about designing this thing - Such a different way of thinking in those days.
I'm so glad you enjoyed it. Feedback from everyone for me makes it so worth while. Hackworth was operating as a commercial locomotive builder, and had been from around 1840. What we do know is that he took on more than he could handle with these locos for the L𝒷 got into serious debt and all sorts of problems. 'Sans Pareil II' and the subsequent publicity stunt smacks of desperation to keep his business running. Sadly, Hackworth doesnt appear to have modernised and adopted much in the way of machine tools etc sticking with the old smith tradition.... no wonder his locos were so expensive, and he ran into problems in face of competition from the likes of Sharp, Roberts & Co of Manchester or even E B Wilsons who were very early exponents of machine tools and standard designs.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Mr. Dawson, I certainly enjoyed the voice-actor reading out the letter! it was an amazing touch that I hope is replicated in future videos! while i'm thinking about it, will you be covering the Sharp Stewart Furness Railway K2 4-4-0s at any point?as a side note, in my own research, i found that engines such as the Furness Railway K2 and NRS 4-4-0 107 in the Netherlands appear to be the exact same locomotive, which were built by the same firm of Sharp Stewart. Am i correct in assuming that they are very much identical? sorry for such a long comment lol, hope you have a great day!
@@EpsilonR_ Gald you enjoyed Andy's contribution! :-) Sharp Stewart produced standard types, available "off the peg" rather like Beyer, Peacock did. So they probably are exactly the same design.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Oh, ok! K2s are a very nice looking engine, I'm glad at least one engine of similar design still survives into the modern era, albeit raised off the ground a considerable distance lol, still not sure why they did so
Well done Leeds, those Jenny Linds look superb. The running model looks great as well.
Thanks for covering this as we talked about it sometime ago!
My own link to Jenny Lind is that when first diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes, I was treated by the Jenny Lind children's hospital (part of the N&NUH in Norwich)
Similar engines have been produced for quite some time by BP, the Dutch State Railways (Staatsspoor) had very similar looking locomotives like the Portugese example, but with only inside frames.
Being built between 1863 and 1866 they were of a later date but still very true to the Jenny Lind design.
There were 2 versions, a 2-2-2 Class NS600 and a 2-4-0 as class NS700.
There is one of the 2-4-0 type preserved as a static exhibit, SS13 of 1865.
Beautiful engine. Thanks for the little history lesson 😊.
Most interesting
Enjoyed watching this. Thank for sharing.
Thanks for watching
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Thanks very much for replying to my comment. It's nice to see other people's work to get idea to improve my channel. Take Care & Stay Safe.
@@medwaymodelrailway7129 My pleasure. Believe me, as a long covid patient, I'm doing my best to stay safe. One of the biggest improvements I found for my own channel was a decent mic.Expensive but oh so worth it. Cheers!
These have been great.
How delightful
That was splendid Anthony...productions like this make learning a real pleasure! Thanks as ever
Dave
My absolute pleasure. Glad you enjoyed it.
What a lovely looking engine i love your vids
Thank you very much!
Thanks for this - a beautiful locomotive, and a beautiful model. What a shame we haven't got either a preserved 'true' Jenny, or a replica to admire. (although I think Mike Sharman made a 4mm scale model of her a long time ago.)
That must have been absolutely tiny! wow.
Mike Sharman wasn't a modeller - he was more like a watchmaker; I remember being amazed at them - they were built before tiny Japanese motors were cheaply available, virtually everything was hand crafted.
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This is your best one yet Anthony, thanks for all your hard work in creating these excellent videos.
Thumbs up.
Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
are you going to do a episode on any Quarry Hunslet engines? back in 2004 I had a very interesting footplate ride on one built in 1883 named Lilian who was named after the Daughter of the welsh slate Quarry where the engine spent her working life
THANK YOU REGARDS R.
You are very welcome
Excellent thanks
She can whistle beautifully
Some of my friends speculate that the BP engine Göta is an enlarged Jenny Lind design, how much truth lies in that is questionable but I can see their reasoning behind the idea.
I agree the Jenny Lind is beautifully proportioned, much like it's namesake, and that running model is exquisite.
I'd agree with that assessment.The give away is the used of double frames for the driving vs carrying wheels. Don Luiz in Portugal is identical. it's not a straight out copy but certainly inspired by.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Yes the Don Luiz is quite the beefy example, indeed!
Lovely upload, with clever and enjoyable model locomotive footage-it really added life to these extinct engines. Thanks for making and sharing!
Also, is this the Joy of “Joy valve gear”?
The one and th same.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory oh, interesting, thanks. It’s not widely used, but I have operated and maintained a (compound) steam sloop with Joy’s valve gear, and the simplicity and near-instant manoeuvrability are endearing. Less so the lubrication of die block and slide.
@@foowashere Joy Valve Gear was used pretty much exclusively by the LNWR and the Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway. I also think John Fowler of Leeds used it on their Steam Traction Engines.
Manning Wardle also used it on their Lynton & Barnstaple locos, which you can see on the Ffestiniog's replica
Not forgetting the North Eastern Railway
What a marvelous little engine! Quite a beautiful piece of steam, does anyone know where one might find drawings or "blueprints" of this locomotive? I'm a 3-D modeler and I can't seem to find measurements of this locomotive.
David Joy's original drawings are lodged safely with the Institute of Mechanical Engineers in London.
Great video she looks very nice and a interesting history of the locomotive .The model looks gteat as well was it filmed at the Urmston and District Model Engineering Society Ltd at Abbotsfield Park Flixton Manchester.
A splendid engine but they never gave much thought to the protection of the driver and fireman!! Pilots of their day!!😄
They were more attractive than Gray's design and had, instead, Stepenson Link motion. C.Hamilton Ellis notes that Jenny was No.60, culminating in No.68 with a Big Jenny as 69 (with internal feed pumps). Strangely, the Jennies were being built and delivered before Hackworth had completed the Gray order, that last was also numbered 60. This was resolved by giving it the number 70. John Gray was succeeded by Samuel Kirtley, who ordered the Jennies and his successor, John Chester Craven, also produced a series of Jenny-Sharp hybrids. (Hope this is right!).
Nearly - Thomas Kirtley, a brother of Matthew Kirtley, was appointed to succeed Gray, but he died after only a few months in post due to a brain tumour. Craven - a Leeds lad who had also been apprenticed at the Round Foundry - then got the job.
*69* Noice
What a beautiful model, is she a 7" guage/scale?
the second locomotive to arrive in Mexico was a locomotive identical to Jenny Lind, the only difference is that the locomotive that arrived in Mexico was built by Couillet
In fact, in Francisco Garma Franco's book "Railroads In Mexico Vol I" .That same drawing that you put of the locomotive appears
Fascinating! I've love to learn more. Any books you might recommend?
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory
I highly recommend the Railroads In Mexico Vol I written by Francisco Garma Franco, there you can learn a lot about the first Railways in Mexico
@@zutanomanganoperengano I'll see if I can find a copy in the UK!
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory
I can send you some photographs of the first English and Belgian locomotives that arrived in Mexico through Gmail or some other social network, here in Mexico we had Patentee, Planet, etc.
@@zutanomanganoperengano That would be fantastic. Drop me a message on Twitter @RailStory
That is a superb circuit. Where is it located ?
Urmston, nr Manchester
First thought. 'Boy. Those Victorians must have been tiny people.' 😁
I've seen boiler pressures mentioned many times, but how are they determined? What makes a 180psi boiler different to a 220psi boiler?
Basically a shed load of maths to calculate the stresses on the boiler of a given size.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory I knew I wouldn't be able to ask the question properly.
What I'm trying to ask is how is the pressure controlled? It can't be just by the fireman stopping to shovel coal when the boiler reaches a certain pressure or the safety valve operating when it reaches that pressure can it?
@@Poliss95 A boiler is rated to a different maximum working pressure when it is built, They're then hydraulically tested - called an air over water test - at 1.5 times over maximum boiler pressure to check for leaks and if the boiler can maintain that. Its then tested on steam... Every boiler has a maximum safe working pressure, which is indicated on the pressure gauge usually by a red line. Part of the test is that the safety valves open at the maximum safe working pressure and are of sufficient size to dump sufficient steam pressure to keep pressure at the red line, and also that they close as well. I prefer Ramsbottom safety valves as they start to "feather" before they blow unlike American Ross "pop" safety valves which give no warning that they're about to open and then all hell is let loose for a few minutes and then snap shut again. Weighted lever safety valves also give a fair warning, too.
When the locomotive is working boiler pressure will fluctuate with the demands of the cylinders. the boiler pressure can be controlled through various means: e.g. control of the fire through not putting more coal on and through use of the dampers to control the rate of the burn; and through use of the injector to put cold water back into the boiler and therefore lower the pressure. All sorts of little tricks to stop the boiler blowing off and wasting steam. It means keeping an eye on the boiler pressure, water in the boiler, and state of the fire. A boiler can be blowing off and the fire be almost out if the loco is stationary.
So in a nutshell, if the boiler is blowing off, stop shovelling and /or stop putting coal on and put some watter in it/shut the dampers. The fireman isn't shovelling all the time, a little and often, filling holes. And the type of fire depends on the coal and firebox. But usually "little and often" holds true so you don't black the fire out and/or cause a lot of black smoke because the blacked out fire is too cold (putting on more coal cools the fire, so too cold air through the firebox door) to burn off the volatile matter.
I've a feeling I might have to do a "how to be a fireman" video now....
If its blowing its tits off, stop putting coal on.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory I remember Rosling Bennett mentioning a Northumbrian type stalled on an incline and the driver hanging a coupling chain on the balance, as well as screwing it down, then walking ahead and shouting "Come up you beggar". When it did, he climbed aboard and removed the coupling chain (how the fireman never saw?) and she blew off, it was probably heard miles away.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Part of the reason I asked was because of 4472 being fitted with Salmon Trout's higher pressure A4 boiler which caused problems with other mechanical components.
I've seen the LMS archive film 'Little and Often' on UA-cam. 😁 You want light grey smoke coming out of the chimney, not no smoke or black smoke.
I did have a go at firing a stationary boiler. I never once manage to avoid hitting the sides of the stoke hole. lol
As a fireman I would have been ticked off for producing more steam than required, the safety valves lifting all the time, and using more coal than necessary. However brilliant post, amazing none exist today.
My first visit to Paddington saw two 5700 panniers at the two heads of stock they had just brought in. I will never forget the din caused by the furious blowing off from the nearest pannier.
It amazing how how different British and American Locomotives are. British had some of the best looking trains while Americans spoke power.
At 3:12 it is quoted "a 10ft 6in boiler as big in diameter as I could get it."
Seems far too big a diameter to fit the locomotive. Not measuring plans, it seems to be no more than five or six feet diameter.
Is the 10ft 6 inch referring to some other measurement than diameter?
Cannot imagine what part of the boiler is being referred to.
Jenny Lind the ABBA of her time perhaps.
The boiler barrel was 10ft 6in long and "as big in diameter as I could get in".
So even after listening to the maker's description, I am still confused.
The firebox is in the rear of the boiler, with tubes running forward, a smoke box to the front of the boiler and the corresponding smoke stack in the front. That seems fairly standard. Smoke from the fire comes out of the smoke stack in the front.
What I do not understand is the rear "smoke stack". The little steamer had a near constant emission. Was it steam? Smoke from the fire? The description seemed to indicate the rear stack is for over-pressure safety valves. So the little steamer's boiler was always beyond limit? and thus dumping steam continuously? If so, that seems entirely wasteful.
I'd be grateful if someone would clarify the rear stack. Further, clarifying why the little steamer had a constant emission. Thank you in advance for your kind reply!
On the prototype, this is an example of sprung safety valves, the bonnet (which you called a stack) being used as both decoration and to direct ejected steam up and away from the crew standing behind it on the footplate.
On the miniature locomotive I would imagine the driver was a bit too keen with his firing, what with the steam generation being high enough as to keep the safety valves lifted!
@@SilverGear_ Thank you Tommy, that made it quite clear.
The Great Western designs, even still built into the 1950s, employed a brass, bell-mouthed safety valve cover. Good firing should ensure little waste of steam thro' the valves and also no unburnt coal exiting the chimney (stack).
Thanks for this video - filled out a lot of details I didn't know. As you say, it's a very attractive locomotive design; such a shame there are no plans to build a working replica - it would be in great demand for films, so might well repay the investment of building it. In your opinion, would it be difficult to build an authentic-looking replica which met modern safety standards? - and, similarly, would authentic-looking coaches be possible?
All replica locomotives are basically look-a-likes. Not one of them are built exactly as per the original due to modern safety standards and pressure vessel regulations. It would cost bout £1million to build a Jenny Lind. But, as we discovered even with a replica of Lion/Titfield Thunderbolt, unless the locomotive is well known and enthusiasts want to contribute to the build, it won't get built. Authentic, wooden bodied coaches are also possible, but could only operated on heritage lines. You'd never be able to run wooden bodied stock on the mainline. Many heritage lines in the UK operate original or heavily restored wooden coaches.
The video is great, but that was fantastic from Andy, I did not recognise him at all. He needs an agent!
He's good isnt he? You can tell hes done acting in the past and quite good at voiceovers too. Thinking about any L&M Trust video....
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory I am now!
Bad case of over firing, tsk tsk
Quite easy with a miniature like this - needs maximum boiler pressure really. Sometimes the full size ones do as well: ont he Railway I volunteer at if a load of coal wagons are being taken up the 'Foxfield Bank' (in places as steep as 1:21) it needs to be blowing its head off at the foot of the bank to get up, but wouldn't do it otherwise.
Jenny Lind was no Musiuc Hall singer!! She was the top operatic diva of her time, singing soprano roles all around the world!! Puh-leeeeze!!
I said Musical Sensation. I didn't say "Music Hall". I'm a music graduate and know exactly who "Jenny" Lind is. Thanks. :-)
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Oh, I am so sorry!! It sounds just like 'music hall' - I went back to listen again to make sure! Ah well, as they were stressing in 'Singing In The Rain', we all need good diction and 'round vowels' - especially if we are to communicate with a world-wide audience these days.
Thanks for uploading!! You desperately need Promo-SM!!
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