That time railroads used logs instead of rails - US Pole Roads

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  • @TrainFactGuy
    @TrainFactGuy  Рік тому +229

    Pole-road Pole-road Pole-road,
    Pole-road Pole-road Pole-road,
    _Pole-road Pole-road Pole-road_ ,
    *_Pole-road Pole-road Pole-road_* ,
    *Rawhiiiiiiiiide*

  • @Gamerguy826
    @Gamerguy826 Рік тому +172

    Giving the term "branch line" a whole new meaning, I see.

  • @Gator-357
    @Gator-357 Рік тому +48

    They use pole roads quite a bit in the swamps of the southern US and up in Alaska when the ground gor soggy in warm weather. My gramps bought some land when I was a kid in FLA and there was a pile of these wheels in the back corner. We found out later that there used to be a pole road logging track running throught the property in the teens and 20s. We ended up finding all kinds of remnants of machinery, tools and odds and ends along the back side of the property.

  • @LegoWormNoah101
    @LegoWormNoah101 Рік тому +39

    "We know a guy who was built to run on logs"
    -Lexi, Journey Beyond Sodor

    • @russellgxy2905
      @russellgxy2905 Рік тому +4

      It just clicked while watching that THIS is what she meant

  • @davidpawson7393
    @davidpawson7393 Рік тому +40

    Some military trucks had dual wheels mounted on the front axle for crossing ravines, creeks etc. Two logs would be felled across the obstacle and the dual wheels would track on the logs like seen here.

  • @dragonblaster-vu8wz
    @dragonblaster-vu8wz Рік тому +141

    Too bad there aren't any examples of these pole locomotives still in preservation. It'd be neat to see one in a museum

    • @insertnamehere1258
      @insertnamehere1258 Рік тому +26

      I've heard there is an example somewhere in South Carolina, although it is privately owned and I'm pretty sure it is in bad condition. You never know though, there could be some abandoned ones somewhere in a forest.
      Also, I think it is the one at 1:32. And, I also have seen some pics of preserved diesel ones.

    • @teamidris
      @teamidris Рік тому +1

      There is a truck at Duncan logging museum Vancouver island.

    • @weekendrailroader
      @weekendrailroader Рік тому +2

      There is a Fordson tractor converted to a pole road "locomotive" on display at the Mount Rainier Scenic Railroad in Mineral, WA. Unfortunately, there is no full scale operational pole road anywhere as far as I know.

    • @Buck1954
      @Buck1954 Рік тому +1

      Can you imagine the paperwork required to make a pole road now? The safety crap and the permits alone would be ridiculous!

    • @TheHistorySoldier
      @TheHistorySoldier Рік тому

      ​@Buck1954 Not to say of course that there isn't value in that "safety crap" 😉

  • @alaskacowboy1
    @alaskacowboy1 Рік тому +23

    It all reminds me of hiking deep in the mountains of Oregon and finding the old steam skids abandoned, far back among the abandoned mines near the waterfalls.

  • @damianshepherd9405
    @damianshepherd9405 Рік тому +15

    They had things similar in Australia and New Zealand. The unusable logs were cut into makeshift rails and most engines even had a steam powered saw that was used to make the rails. The locomotives could then be taken onto steel rails as the wheels were compatible with both wooden and steels rails. A noteable drawback to this was that the locos had to either be very light coffee pots or a geared engine with the weight spread out over many wheels. A replica of a logging coffee pot, albeit without the saw due to safety concerns, is running in Maryborough. She pulls occasional tourist trains on her own rail line, once again with added safety features such as steel rails. There is plenty of interesting stuff there so have a look if you're ever in the area.

  • @MrNappysanchez
    @MrNappysanchez Рік тому +178

    Wood'nt you believe the ingenuity of mankind

  • @modelermark172
    @modelermark172 Рік тому +7

    That photo at 2:24 has some interesting possibilities. There are Mack Truck model kits available in a variety of scales, (including the big Monogram 1/24th scale 1926 MACK AC Bulldog Logging Truck recently reissued by Atlantis Models.) With a bit of old-school scratch building, (or even some 'newfangled' 3D Printing,) this would be a fun conversion project . . . .

  • @cantfindclips
    @cantfindclips Рік тому +26

    Ooh I guess this make sense now despite the visual depiction.
    “we know a guy who was built to run on logs”
    I could assume the animators didn’t know what the writers had in mind.
    It’s nice to know some research went into looking up unique engines for JBS.

  • @rottenroads1982
    @rottenroads1982 Рік тому +9

    Ah, yes, the Weekly Railway video by Train of Thought. Always good to watch.

  • @cerneysmallengines
    @cerneysmallengines Рік тому +4

    I have a cabin in Northern Minnesota, there is an old trail that everyone uses to ride ATVs, I did some digging and found out that it used to be an old railroad... I assumed 3ft gauge but it may have been a poleroad.

  • @lastfreethinker6810
    @lastfreethinker6810 Рік тому +2

    Nice touch with saria's song. I thought I was lossing my mind for a second...

  • @Hybris51129
    @Hybris51129 Рік тому +5

    The turntable is an especially impressive bit of field engineering.

  • @PaladinCasdin
    @PaladinCasdin Рік тому +2

    I had to listen to the end of the video several times to convince myself I wasn't going crazy when I heard Saria's Song at 2:50. My good man, I tip my hat to your excellent taste in background music.

  • @LukeVilent
    @LukeVilent Рік тому +1

    Yay, dude, I was one of those who asked for this theme when you asked for ideas!

  • @saberwolf.1781
    @saberwolf.1781 Рік тому +12

    Fascinating story I had no idea. Also interesting how did you decide on using that particular selection of music? Are you a Zelda fan?

    • @nicholasthesilly
      @nicholasthesilly Рік тому +4

      I assume just because it's the Lost WOODS theme.

    • @theotherohlourdespadua1131
      @theotherohlourdespadua1131 Рік тому +2

      I thought because that franchise has a Train-specific installment entitled "Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks"...

  • @andrewreynolds4949
    @andrewreynolds4949 Рік тому +1

    Coincidentally I picked up a book on logging railroads the other week, and it had some of these in there

  • @garryferrington811
    @garryferrington811 Рік тому +1

    Very nice report on this generally overlooked bit of railroad history.

  • @FuelFire
    @FuelFire Рік тому +5

    1:40 what is this half Climax half chainsaw bullshit 😂

  • @johnkelley9877
    @johnkelley9877 Рік тому +1

    I never heard of that until now! This was very interesting. Thanks for sharing this.

  • @David_Mattox
    @David_Mattox Рік тому +42

    I’d like to see this replicated in model form 🤣

    • @Amtk-712
      @Amtk-712 Рік тому +8

      I want to try that…..

    • @Einwetok
      @Einwetok Рік тому +4

      Diaroma= easy functional=?

    • @jonbezeau3124
      @jonbezeau3124 Рік тому +3

      stock up on toothpicks

    • @Amtk-712
      @Amtk-712 Рік тому +10

      @@jonbezeau3124 I would use real twigs on G scale.

    • @nos9784
      @nos9784 Рік тому +3

      Get some brass, a few reamers and a drill press then :)
      Small amounts of lathe work can be done on a drill press.

  • @KyriosMirage
    @KyriosMirage Рік тому +1

    Excellent choice of music for this one!

  • @jacehackworth6413
    @jacehackworth6413 Рік тому

    As an arborist and train enthusiast , this pleases me.

  • @johncamp2567
    @johncamp2567 Рік тому

    One of your more fascinating posts!

  • @mrblond750
    @mrblond750 Рік тому

    Great video as always. Love the music selection!

  • @mazdaman2315
    @mazdaman2315 Рік тому +6

    “Logs are easy to move” you definitely ain’t a woodsman

    • @laurencefraser
      @laurencefraser Рік тому

      I suspect that, relative to laying regular track, and given that the train can be Right There on the part of the pole road you're Not ripping up, they might well be.
      Of course, I'm also curious as to how often they actually Would move them vs just laying new ones.

  • @Ludi_Chris
    @Ludi_Chris Рік тому +12

    First paper wheels now log rails, it’s looking like we could make a Railways out of trees now.

    • @sebastianthomsen2225
      @sebastianthomsen2225 Рік тому +4

      now we only need to make the engine out of cardboard then we are golden! 🤪👌

    • @joshuabessire9169
      @joshuabessire9169 Рік тому +6

      What next, wooden railroad ties?

    • @laurencefraser
      @laurencefraser Рік тому +1

      well, there has apparently been some work done on wooden transistors recently.. but somehow I I don't think that's going to lead to a wooden motor... and a wooden Boiler is just never going to be sufficient, nevermind a wooden firebox or ICE. So, unfortunately, an all-wood railway is going to have to get it's motive power from a treadmill type arrangement or be animal haulled ... at which point it's just a wagonway.

    • @joshuabessire9169
      @joshuabessire9169 Рік тому +1

      @@laurencefraser Treadmill type arrangement... Quick! Call the ancient Greeks and see if we can borrow a wooden horse!

    • @ReggieArford
      @ReggieArford Рік тому +1

      @@laurencefraser You might be able to make a wood boiler. I know you can make a wood stove.

  • @CheeseMiser
    @CheeseMiser Рік тому

    1:20 Nice Fordson Tractor train conversion

  • @RobSchofield
    @RobSchofield Рік тому

    That was fun! Never heard of that before - reminds me of the old Butterworth plateways.

  • @jed-henrywitkowski6470
    @jed-henrywitkowski6470 Рік тому

    2:29 As a railroad-loving trucker's son, I like that!

  • @Arkay315
    @Arkay315 Рік тому +3

    This reminds me of the early wood rail tramways serviced by horses

  • @vehicles_n_stuff
    @vehicles_n_stuff Рік тому +2

    Norfolk Southern announces new cost-saving biodegradable railroad technology to be installed on all of its mainlines

  • @Cfr_Alex_1098
    @Cfr_Alex_1098 Рік тому +2

    Beautiful video TOT

  • @Straswa
    @Straswa Рік тому

    Great vid ToT, smart use of spare logs.

  • @dimitrijenovakovic7942
    @dimitrijenovakovic7942 Рік тому +2

    Simmilar contraptions were used on mokra gora in Serbia.
    I think that there is a picure in the google reviews of bele vode that shows a adbonded piece of the rails.

  • @whytheheckarewedoinginhere1886

    If the Misty Island Rescue was like that, then the Thomas and friends fandom wouldn't hate it. 😂😂

  • @zamazenta2023
    @zamazenta2023 Рік тому

    I love your videos

  • @Vodhin
    @Vodhin Рік тому +1

    Wow, I didn't know loggers did this. This topic deserves a more in depth video.

  • @teamidris
    @teamidris Рік тому

    Tricky to look at on its own because there were twin-drum logging skids everywhere to help the job along.

  • @maxdon2001
    @maxdon2001 Рік тому

    Great video!

  • @flufflepuffle6229
    @flufflepuffle6229 Рік тому

    That's actually really interesting!

  • @SantaFe19484
    @SantaFe19484 Рік тому

    This is the first I have ever heard of rails made out of logs.

  • @sebastiankutter3630
    @sebastiankutter3630 Рік тому

    Related to this, you should really make a video about the "Feldbahn" systems common in Europe.

  • @herrpokemon9929
    @herrpokemon9929 Рік тому

    Interesting I didn't know these existed and nice music choice
    Lost woods from legend of zelda

  • @relaxingnature2617
    @relaxingnature2617 Рік тому +1

    Correction: there is NOT a smaller demand for lumber

  • @harrisonallen651
    @harrisonallen651 Рік тому +1

    They needed big traction wheels to run on logs like these, damn!

  • @MustangsTrainsMowers
    @MustangsTrainsMowers Рік тому

    A track that could be damaged by Beavers or termites. I wonder if there are any O scale pole road type locomotives and rolling stock?
    How did they build switches?

  • @SmartassX1
    @SmartassX1 Рік тому

    You mentioned that this was done during the "u.s. logging boom" right up to the "end of the u.s. logging boom". When was that? I can tell from the colorless pictures and the 1910s-style trucks that it was the early 20th century, but I'd appreciate some vague year numbers.

  • @KlaxontheImpailr
    @KlaxontheImpailr Рік тому +1

    One day, I want to make a Thomas style tv show set in the USA. There's just so much potential waiting to be used.

    • @nos9784
      @nos9784 Рік тому +1

      Kids will be traumatized by all the derailments 😅

  • @ivoryfields2631
    @ivoryfields2631 Рік тому

    improvising at your presentation and everyone takes you seriously and takes notes :

  • @chuckvoss9344
    @chuckvoss9344 Рік тому

    So many questions ...like how did they keep the log ends together. In wet, dry weather, swamps ...

  • @iPod1
    @iPod1 Рік тому +1

    There are these straw things with balls in and you need to put it in some milk and it’s kinda like nesquick but with a straw so yeah we’ll need those for the next live

  • @robrice7246
    @robrice7246 Рік тому +1

    I wonder why there hasn't been a Thomas fan story based on the blueprint and line that Lexi sang?

  • @OneArmLivingLife
    @OneArmLivingLife Рік тому +3

    Poor Terence at least he’s at work

    • @piyushkanthak1087
      @piyushkanthak1087 Рік тому

      haha lol
      What about Bash Dash and Ferdinand ?

    • @OneArmLivingLife
      @OneArmLivingLife Рік тому

      @@piyushkanthak1087 they didn’t show up in the video so we don’t know

  • @shaunsconfusingmachines8402
    @shaunsconfusingmachines8402 Рік тому +2

    If my ask why are there ww2 German soldiers in the image at 1:59

    • @mrPCEmilkman
      @mrPCEmilkman Рік тому +3

      My guess would be it was the only inage of a pole road turntable that could be found.

  • @KibuFox
    @KibuFox Рік тому +2

    God forbid the players of Railroads Online see this. I can only imagine what they're going to beg for next.

  • @jetboyblue4478
    @jetboyblue4478 Рік тому

    Wow that’s amazing

  • @sarcasmo57
    @sarcasmo57 Рік тому

    Pretty clever.

  • @maxpayne2574
    @maxpayne2574 Рік тому

    At 2:30 the engine is a Mack truck

  • @jordanwiley4582
    @jordanwiley4582 Рік тому

    Lost Woods, nice.

  • @bostonrailfan2427
    @bostonrailfan2427 Рік тому

    IIRC this wasn’t a new idea: it was done for the original UK tramways and done multiple times afterward until standardized use of iron and steel tracks was done

  • @Alex-cw3rz
    @Alex-cw3rz Рік тому +3

    Could you do this for cheap most likely temporary tram lines for public transport.

    • @enisra_bowman
      @enisra_bowman Рік тому

      i don't think so, you woud need special Trains hauled in and then you would need also quite many logs hauled in that not "standing" around since i thing the City council might have something against cutting there Trees
      Also: while fine for a slow moving Worktrain that was cobbled together a 100 years ago, but i doubt that even in a country that value it's normal citizens that less than the US, that might be a "bit" unsafe
      Particular if there are "already" the option of moveable railways like from Peat extraction or the like

    • @SeedemFeedemRobots
      @SeedemFeedemRobots Рік тому

      bus technology nowdays are good enough and wildly available to ever make that a consideration

  • @bigredc222
    @bigredc222 Рік тому

    interesting.
    Thank you.

  • @ryancampbell4119
    @ryancampbell4119 9 місяців тому

    Fun fact some Shay locomotives did run on pole roads

  • @CA.papaBear
    @CA.papaBear Рік тому

    Speaking about this merely as an engineering standpoint, why didn't they knurl the log wheels so that they'd bite down as they rolled along? Or use strategic metal gear racks and cogs for steeper gradients?
    Just curious. : )

  • @AVdE10000
    @AVdE10000 Рік тому

    Improvised engineering is the best kind of engineering

  • @alicehodges9964
    @alicehodges9964 6 місяців тому

    The Steam Engines Are Awesome I Like It

  • @anindrapratama
    @anindrapratama Рік тому

    did the Decauville track system ever made it to the US?

    • @cavejohnson4306
      @cavejohnson4306 Рік тому

      As surplus, I have heard of it being used on farms out on the west coast after the Great War.

  • @barkebaat
    @barkebaat Рік тому

    very interesting!

  • @Lemon-pf3pm
    @Lemon-pf3pm Рік тому +2

    That's so cool xD

  • @jwalster9412
    @jwalster9412 Рік тому

    This really puts a new meaning to derail.

  • @ravenbarsrepairs5594
    @ravenbarsrepairs5594 Рік тому

    Low budget mines used sawn lumber with a metal strap on top as a wear surface.

  • @Da__goat
    @Da__goat Рік тому

    The concept of these pole roads is the very same concept that the Egyptians used with Palm tree trunks to move stones to build the pyramids

  • @Carolinasquatch
    @Carolinasquatch 8 місяців тому

    I wanna build one in my yard now

  • @WinterroSP
    @WinterroSP Рік тому

    Gives a new meaning to a “logging railroad"

  • @BustingSomeBuffers
    @BustingSomeBuffers Рік тому +1

    "I knew I guy who was built to run on logs" - Lexi from Journey Beyond Sodor

  • @jammiedodger7040
    @jammiedodger7040 Рік тому

    Timber demand has gone up.

  • @normanozwald
    @normanozwald Рік тому

    Those trains were made in Nashville, TN

  • @youtube-is-trash-2277
    @youtube-is-trash-2277 Рік тому

    how did the go around corners ???

  • @RubenKelevra
    @RubenKelevra Рік тому

    Wait what? Wood consumption is high as never before!

  • @douglasboyle6544
    @douglasboyle6544 Рік тому

    This is insanity. I never knew this was a thing

  • @joehughes5177
    @joehughes5177 Рік тому

    Steel rails dont grow on trees now. So what will we use? If only we COULD grow rails....

  • @Scagguy4014
    @Scagguy4014 Рік тому

    The legend of Zelda : the logging railway .

  • @NW-gi1cp
    @NW-gi1cp Рік тому

    Ho modelers: now how can I make this

  • @callyemby4587
    @callyemby4587 Рік тому

    Nice use of the music from Zelda ocarina of time.

  • @FunAngelo2005
    @FunAngelo2005 Рік тому +2

    A road make out of fuckin logs

  • @primrosevale1995
    @primrosevale1995 Рік тому

    🎵Too many funnels, or too many cogs,
    We knew a guy, who used to run on logs.🎵

    • @AbbeyYard
      @AbbeyYard Рік тому

      🎵Too many wheels, and gears, and rods,
      It's no wonder that we look so odd!🎵

  • @raztaz826
    @raztaz826 Рік тому

    I like offroad trains!

  • @pokemontrainermichael5551
    @pokemontrainermichael5551 Рік тому

    At least they got the job done

  • @LG_Official.
    @LG_Official. Рік тому

    I want to build a Pole-road now for no reason

  • @Josephcavagnaro
    @Josephcavagnaro Рік тому

    We knew a guy who used to run on logs
    Lexi 2017

  • @BrendynRobertson
    @BrendynRobertson Рік тому

    Lexi- "We know a guy who was bult to run on logs."

  • @xephorce
    @xephorce Рік тому

    is that the legend of zelda ocarina of time music i am hearing in the background?

  • @DarthBlazer.
    @DarthBlazer. Рік тому

    Was that music from Zelda?

  • @captiannemo1587
    @captiannemo1587 Рік тому

    The other option was very light narrow gauge railways…

  • @martincraw7698
    @martincraw7698 Рік тому +5

    This would be an interesting engine to see in Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends

    • @robrice7246
      @robrice7246 Рік тому +3

      The closest was the blueprint from JBS.

    • @piyushkanthak1087
      @piyushkanthak1087 Рік тому

      Bash Dash and Ferdinand

    • @MrJoeyWheeler
      @MrJoeyWheeler Рік тому

      I don't see why, there's no reason for such an engine to exist on Sodor. Like many of the asinine additions made in the later years.

  • @necroparagon7226
    @necroparagon7226 Рік тому

    If that's N company's (I shall not speak their name lest I summon their wrath) music I hear in the background, may want to get rid of that lol. Personally I love hearing FTL's (Faster Than Light game OST) music in videos and they're real chill

  • @wesbrackmanthercenthusiast4695

    I might be doing this here soon I need a good way to get lumber to my 1888 frick sawmill and I don't want to install a road and lose multiple acres of my hay land soooo mini railroad it is so I only use a third of the area a driveway will take up

    • @CATASTEROID934
      @CATASTEROID934 Рік тому +1

      If you're willing to put the investment in for steel rails you could use the same type of flat steel stock the channel Way out west is employing to move wood around into their drying sheds and charcoal kiln, the track consists of lengths of flat steel bar stock with holes drilled to have bolts placed through holes in similarly dsrilled short steel tube stock pegs which are hammered into drilled holes in small wooden ties, small bolted fishplates are used to join the bar rails, and the flexible bar stock allows one to form curves and rearrange the layout without too much difficulty. The flanged wheels are a round steel plate welded to a strip butt-welded into a tubular shape, fitted to tubular axles running in oiled wooden bearings which are fitted to fairly plain two-axle wooden carts but I imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to arrange a larger bogie flatbed. You could probably replace the rails entirely with these kinds of poles, but it really depends on your particular circumstances.

    • @wesbrackmanthercenthusiast4695
      @wesbrackmanthercenthusiast4695 Рік тому

      @CATASTEROID I've been subscribed to him for awhile I love his tracks but I'm starting from nothing so.... his design has to be next step up start small and work up from there

    • @CATASTEROID934
      @CATASTEROID934 Рік тому +1

      @@wesbrackmanthercenthusiast4695 fancy that, what a coincidence! If you start building keep me posted, I’m interested to see your solutions to the engineering problems

    • @wesbrackmanthercenthusiast4695
      @wesbrackmanthercenthusiast4695 Рік тому

      @@CATASTEROID934 I intend on posting on the diy engineering I encounter it's fun to build stuff

    • @piyushkanthak1087
      @piyushkanthak1087 Рік тому

      @@wesbrackmanthercenthusiast4695 that would be really interesting to watch