The Gitrog Monster is the magic equivalent of using a GameShark on your Pokemon Emerald in 2004. The rules no longer make any sense because your geodude knows fly.
Every time I play against a Gitrog player they’re always like “guys, guys. You don’t need to focus on me, the deck really isn’t that strong.” Then you see stuff like Noah’s end step and think. “Y’all are liars”
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG That’s happened to me before where you just absolutely top deck the hell out of your win. It’s just really funny that you were confident you didn’t have it then you did
@@salchi-papa It happens more often than you'd think in cEDH lol.. I see it happen every few games in my group. Lucky draws create some pretty interesting moments.
@@salchi-papa its sometimes kinda salt inducing tho xD when people bitch and whine for like 5 turns when being behind and then just top-deck into the win while the rest of the table was busy playing the game
I kinda stopped playing cedh at my locals recently altogether. I still love watching PwP but the format is getting stale. Opposition agent, jeweled lotus, hull breacher, consult + demonic or wheel and deal and counterspells lol its all the same stuff everytime.
I don’t think it effected much I was keeepikg an on on it and it remained untapped a lot of the time and he had more mana with his pact of negation so it didn’t effect that either.
Noah, after the silence, 100% could have had floating mana. Since he has shufflers, he also has access to his whole graveyard, including dark ritual. He just needed to cast it before casting oblivion crown.
@@olivecrossing8119 he needed at least 1 black mana to continue looping dark ritual... it was a missplay, he could've won that turn if he played a dark ritual before the oblivion crown
@@olivecrossing8119 lotus petal is sorcery speed (you need to cast the artifact). since this was the cleanup step, it would work only if petal was already in the battlefield.
"Even though he said he had 0% chance of winning this turn, just saying he lied, just saying" HAHAHAHA Loving this channel, already have learned a lot. Thanks guys
Alas, my favorite thing kenrith cEDH interaction didn't happen, making the opponent draw a card with Thassa's oracle on the stack to lose. Great game anyway.
www.moxfield.com/decks/PWUWJEIO70y6CDJpK9IY_A Here's my actual decklist on moxfield with Mask of the Mimic. Not sure why it's not in the linked decklist. Good catch!
Actually, it's not another end step, but another cleanup step for gitrog shenanigans. The only reason he gets priority is because an ability (gitrogs draw) triggers due to dakmor being discarded
Is Mask of the mimic supposed to be a counter-play to opponents Thassa's Oracle and steal their win? That's such an odd and and meta specific card of choice. I love it!
also gets docksides and any other stuff... a fun line you can do if somebody want to steal smt with gilded drake. sac the drake target into mask of the mimic and tutor for drakeand steal smt urself
Hey, Tyler here from the video! Mask of the Mimic has come in extremely clutch for me on multiple occasions. Trading a dork for Dark Confidant is how it gets used most of the time. It can also be used to get your own Gilded Drake if someone has done that. It can also help to win at instant speed in response to Thassa's Oracle ETB, as other have mentioned. As long as you also have a Forbidden Tutor in hand, you can win the game before they do. Cheers!
Hey, Tyler here from the video! Mask of the Mimic has come in extremely clutch for me on multiple occasions. Trading a dork for Dark Confidant is how it gets used most of the time. It can also be used to get your own Gilded Drake if someone has done that. It can also help to win at instant speed in response to Thassa's Oracle ETB, as other have mentioned. As long as you also have a Forbidden Tutor in hand, you can win the game before they do. Cheers!
Just one card - Force of Vigor, and you can miss on endstep loop packs (Am I missing smthg, why there were no Cabal Ritual before the Crown?) And no grave shuffle before mnemonic? Sad Froggy here :'(
Not in my top three, while I def agree with naus, dockside extortionist is a very fraile card that to me only rlly benefits in comp due to the large artifact staples used in comp vs casual
@@ich3730 not in the eternal spot light or under that microscope 🔬 - just one MORE mana (right now because this is instant) is what winzzzzz gamezzzz LOL
So basically during clean up the game gets rid of all the "during this turn" effects and other stuff, including silence, and you discard down to hand size. if you have 8 cards in hand and discard a land, the gitrog monster's ability triggers, and this interrupts the clean up step, you do the draw thing, and you get to start the clean up step again and you can cast instants because all the 'during this turn' effects already ended.
Sure. So in cleanup step, you have to discard to handsize, if you discard dakmor salvage, that triggers the frog and you have to resolve the trigger. Since players can't cast stuff in the cleanup step, that kinda puts you back to end step. A few things happen; the "until eot" effects end when transitioning into the cleanup step (which is why silence stops working). The next thing that happens is, you can replace the gitrog's draw trigger with dakmor's dredge ability, which brings dakmor back to your hand, resulting in having 8 cards in your hand again. As the end step ends (again), you have to discard to handsize. You can pretty much repeat that so many times, until you mill yourself (and reshuffle your grave with titans into your library). Ofc through dredging, you can hit a land again, which will "net" you a card in this loop. Hence performing this "loop" you can basically filter your hand until you have the perfect 7 of which 1 is darkmor in order to stop this "loop". (you do that with the extra triggers from dredge...you draw until you see a card you like and then discard cards you don't like along with dakmor). you can then usually proceed to win with ESG>crop rotation>cradle/filter land to make infinite green/black>getting emergence zone>win with whatever wincon you're running. hope I was clear enough.
@@xAnonymousss you get priority during the cleanup step if an ability triggers (in this case Gitrog), actions are then taken in the cleanup step, you don't move back to an end step. Cleanup then repeats. If you got additional end steps you could abuse end step triggers.
@@xAnonymousss because thats how it works, he explained it well. Why would you NOT get more clean up, you still have 8 cards in hand, thats the whole point of the loop
At 7:30 Noah had to pass the turn because he didn't have floating mana to win immediately. He could have played his Lotus petal, crack it for a black to cast dark ritual? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he could have won there
does Noah not run Slaughter Pact? if he does, its definitely a mistake not holding it in his hand after his big turn. except for that the game was very enjoyable to watch!
So I’m Curious why Noah didn’t grab emergence zone with crop rotation at 6:48, he could have won the game right then and there unless I’m missing something that happened in game
The whole "pulling off a combo to realise you've got no mana left with Gitrog" thing hits home so hard :( My condolences go to Noah, I've been there. I bet he noticed once he cast crop rotation and searching his library thinking "where am I even going with this?". Good game everybody!
I've been trying to find something in the rules about the Silence / end of turn / discard priority thing that happened at around 5:40, can anyone point me in the right direction? i don't really understand it edit: for anyone else with the same question, i think i figured it out...two things happen in the clean up step: first, the active player discards down to hand size, and then "until end of turn" effects cease to exist. normally no player receives priority in this step, so players wouldn't be able to take advantage of the silence effect wearing off. however, the gitrog monster triggers after discarding, so the trigger goes on the stack and players will receive priority, so the gitrog player can cast entomb. relevant rules: 514, 514.1, 514.2, 514.3, 514.3a edit 2: now im slightly confused because of the wording on silence... it says "Your opponents can't cast spells this turn", not "your opponent's can't cast spells until the end of this turn". The end step and cleanup step are still during this turn, so i don't see how you get around that
So... He didn't use dark ritual to net 3 black and have 1 green leftover. Use 2 black for oblivion crown and have 1 black and 1 green remaining. do the dakmor loop and produce more black mana then proceed to crop rotation loop for gaea's cradle to net infinite green. continue crop rotation loop for twilight mire and filter infinitely and assassin's trophy ftw.
Most Dakmoor loops have been confirmed Deterministic in competitive games, just to be clear :) Discarding and hoping for land draws is one of the few cases where it isn't.
There are Dakmoor loops that are deterministic but the one's listed in the primer at the database require a discard outlet. I don't think there's a way that end of turn discard can be made in a deterministic way.
I agree ad nauseum is among the most powerful cards in EDH, but i think this game perfectly demonstrates how fragile the card is. If Noah had not cast it, he would have lived much longer that game. It takes your life total so low, that if you can't finish, get your seatbelt! Good game y'all :)
I don't think you should allow Gitrog to shortcut the endstep sculpt. If your "loop" is not deterministic, and it takes a full 1-2 minutes per iteration, of which you need hundreds, to execute, it's slowplay and you shouldn't go for it.
What if Mike actually DIDN'T have a chance to win until he drew from Tevesh Szat, which Folger could've stopped with Koma before he moved to his main phase?
@Zeb Hillard Hand after the "loop" should contain Dark Rit, Crown, Crop Rotation. Tap Cradle for GG, use one + sac Cradle for Crop, get a Swamp, tap it. Now with BG, use Dark Rit --> BBBG, playing Crown makes that BG and enables the real loop.
OR he could have just crop rotated for phyrexian tower and sac the ramanup for BB to cast enchantment on Gitrog...leaving Green up to cast Crop again to loop inf mana
@@chrisboone2755 there's also no way for the deck list to win at instant speed, so while this particular instance was definitely misplayed going for it at all that turn was the real mistake.
Why would it be common courtesy to let the gitrog monster player short cut their filtering of their deck? They could easily mill two non lands and the loop stops.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG isn’t it discarding at end step, so any cards picked back up after wouldn’t then again be discarded right? Because the discard portion of the end step has passed
@@JAG19d Discarding happens in the cleanup step (the step after the end step) inside of what's called the Ending Phase. If something triggers during the cleanup step, you resolve the triggers, then get another cleanup step. This happens over and over until no triggers happen during cleanup. mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Ending_phase#Cleanup_step
If a triggered ability happens in your cleanup step, the triggered ability goes onto the stack, players receive priority, then the ability resolves, and you get another cleanup. Gitrog players call this the "cleanup step hand sculpt".
I got faked out so hard I saw Koma on the thumbnail and thought there was a spicy CEDH Koma deck :c
@Jase Meece Rashmi, Edric, Tatyova, Kinnan
@Jase Meece thrasios really do have the advantage of being Simic + 2 Colors LMAO
Same 😂
Saaaame
I'm glad Mike's tricksy ways did not go unmentioned :DD
He has to lie to win a game. smh
No one likes a liar.
When he said it, he meant it, just got ouckg topdecks
The Gitrog Monster is the magic equivalent of using a GameShark on your Pokemon Emerald in 2004. The rules no longer make any sense because your geodude knows fly.
Every time I play against a Gitrog player they’re always like “guys, guys. You don’t need to focus on me, the deck really isn’t that strong.”
Then you see stuff like Noah’s end step and think. “Y’all are liars”
everybody gangsta until the gitFROG starts breaking the rules in 2 and resetting their endstep
Mike: "Yeah guys I have no way of winning this game this turn at all aha"
Also Mike: "Alright so I totally lied, I am winning right now"
Mike: "then I lied, you know like a lier"
Totally wasn't a win until I ripped Dockside and Thoracle off my 2 Tevesh draws lmao. -Mike
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG That’s happened to me before where you just absolutely top deck the hell out of your win. It’s just really funny that you were confident you didn’t have it then you did
@@salchi-papa It happens more often than you'd think in cEDH lol.. I see it happen every few games in my group. Lucky draws create some pretty interesting moments.
@@salchi-papa its sometimes kinda salt inducing tho xD when people bitch and whine for like 5 turns when being behind and then just top-deck into the win while the rest of the table was busy playing the game
That thing about silence and the cleanup step was something I didn't knew. Pretty interesting
“there’s no way i’m winning this turn”
draws dockside extortionist
“i’m winning this turn”
You guys should do a "turbo ad naus vs turbo ad nause vs turbo ad naus vs turbo ad nause." such a cool card lol
Everyone gansta until someone cast rule of law
That's already every game you play on the cEDH nexus haha
Except for the one Golos deck, isn't that basically what happened in the episode where they were playing without blue?
4 man staxx mirror you COWARD xD
Man, that was a great game. Fills my heart with joy to see an Ad Nauseum NOT win someone the game.
It didn't win him the game because he punted
It's better to see thassa win?
@@NubRusty Card needs to get out of our beloved format.
@@howles5651 I honestly never thought WOTC is going to powercreep fckin lab maniac but they did it
I kinda stopped playing cedh at my locals recently altogether. I still love watching PwP but the format is getting stale. Opposition agent, jeweled lotus, hull breacher, consult + demonic or wheel and deal and counterspells lol its all the same stuff everytime.
My whole day is just terrible and miserable...
Ohhhh, new episode of PWP 🥳😋
And everything is just fine
It do be true. Too true..
i always look forward to these! was wondering, you ever planning on doing the randomised CEDH again? I really enjoyed it
If enough people are interested, then yes!
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG +1
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG I would definitely watch another
Absolutely yes!!
We need an Imperial Seal reprint so bad!
Proxy ;)
Proxies are lame. I agree that’s in need of reprint.
cruel tutor, unless you need all 3 between it, imperial seal, and vamp tutor
Looks like we got it in DXM 2022
@@austink.9223 it was. And I pulled a foil one from a random pack. Bought 3 random packs. It was epic
That Chrome Mox Mike cast was from Noah, wasn't it? He forgot to "lose" it after Noah left the game, because online gameplay shenanigans.
Came here to see if anyone else noticed that
I don’t think it effected much I was keeepikg an on on it and it remained untapped a lot of the time and he had more mana with his pact of negation so it didn’t effect that either.
it was used to cast tevesh which then drew cards; it had a effect
No, he used it to cast Tevash@@therealmikem5222
Mike: I wont win
EWveryone Else: "YOU LIED AND PEOPLE DIED"
8:10 i think Chrome Mox was from Noah and should be exiled here
Noah, after the silence, 100% could have had floating mana. Since he has shufflers, he also has access to his whole graveyard, including dark ritual. He just needed to cast it before casting oblivion crown.
Why did he need mana?
@@olivecrossing8119 he needed at least 1 black mana to continue looping dark ritual... it was a missplay, he could've won that turn if he played a dark ritual before the oblivion crown
@@_fr0st1 what about lotus petal?
@@olivecrossing8119 lotus petal is sorcery speed (you need to cast the artifact).
since this was the cleanup step, it would work only if petal was already in the battlefield.
Just curious when the Timetwister happened, why did Mike not put Kraum back in the command zone? Or was that missed in the commentary?
Specifying sleeves is a nice addition
"Even though he said he had 0% chance of winning this turn, just saying he lied, just saying" HAHAHAHA Loving this channel, already have learned a lot. Thanks guys
Man i was really hoping that Koma would be the MVP card of the game
Alas, my favorite thing kenrith cEDH interaction didn't happen, making the opponent draw a card with Thassa's oracle on the stack to lose. Great game anyway.
my fave Jesper play of all time
Note enough mana mate, sorry to disappoint 😆
@@jagesjack Yep, and you can't win by sitting on mana every round. Still, I can always hope for another K.O.
I actually learn so much about playing edh from these
Originally impressive intro and first turn challenges as always
You guys should add some cPEDH games, that meta looks wild
You're my favorite mtg channel, keep it up!
We need a playmat that has the phrase "just saying!"
Noah’s loss was heartbreaking. He pulled some sick plays out around Silence and got beat down by the infamous flying haste 4/4
Bruh we’ve got a Mike in our pod who pulls the same exact bullshit haha. “Oh trust me guys, I’ve got nothing...” and wins the next turn lol
From the start where it says Tyler(Kenrith) bottomed Mask of the Mimic, it's not in the linked decklist.
www.moxfield.com/decks/PWUWJEIO70y6CDJpK9IY_A
Here's my actual decklist on moxfield with Mask of the Mimic. Not sure why it's not in the linked decklist.
Good catch!
Actually, it's not another end step, but another cleanup step for gitrog shenanigans. The only reason he gets priority is because an ability (gitrogs draw) triggers due to dakmor being discarded
Came to the comments for some clarification on this, thank you ❤
FInally a Tevesh/Kraum win :D That comment at around 14 minutes was gold wahahaah
Anytime I had a zero percent chance of winning I meant that because "obviously you all have interaction" haha! Great game, holy cow!
Finally! A Gitrog connaisseur. A man after my own heart. More of the same please!
Too bad he missplayed, if he had cast dark ritual and cabal ritual before casting oblivion crown he would have won the game
WOW that Koma was Relevant!
Lol
Is Mask of the mimic supposed to be a counter-play to opponents Thassa's Oracle and steal their win? That's such an odd and and meta specific card of choice. I love it!
also gets docksides and any other stuff... a fun line you can do if somebody want to steal smt with gilded drake. sac the drake target into mask of the mimic and tutor for drakeand steal smt urself
Yeah, it's the kind of card that's only really useful in a format like cEDH where you know you're probably running the same staples as other players.
Is it really 'odd and meta specific' if Thassa's Oracle is the most common win-con in the format?
@@Matthias-pj6th I mean it makes sense in cEDH, defo not outside tho.
@@Matthias-pj6th you would not run it if it were just for thoracle
So what does mask of the mimic do for the kenrith deck?
blocks oracle
Hey, Tyler here from the video! Mask of the Mimic has come in extremely clutch for me on multiple occasions. Trading a dork for Dark Confidant is how it gets used most of the time. It can also be used to get your own Gilded Drake if someone has done that. It can also help to win at instant speed in response to Thassa's Oracle ETB, as other have mentioned. As long as you also have a Forbidden Tutor in hand, you can win the game before they do.
Cheers!
2:03 And I bet it was Mask of the Mimic. First time I hear of such a card.
Hey, Tyler here from the video! Mask of the Mimic has come in extremely clutch for me on multiple occasions. Trading a dork for Dark Confidant is how it gets used most of the time. It can also be used to get your own Gilded Drake if someone has done that. It can also help to win at instant speed in response to Thassa's Oracle ETB, as other have mentioned. As long as you also have a Forbidden Tutor in hand, you can win the game before they do.
Cheers!
That was a pretty fun game. I liked that one.
Sweet deck & playmat Folger!
Whenever a cEDH game has someone poding into a big dumb casual-ish creature I love the game that much more.
I legitimately cannot like this video enough.
"I have no way of winning"
Literally every commander player every turn of every table in every competition level.
"i cant win guys, its stuck maaaan" while only being 1 land short of a combo with counterspell protection xD
Damn saw Koma and was excited for some more Koma gameplay.
Have you guys ever thought of streaming these live or uploading unedited full games on UA-cam?
We do! We stream them to our patrons in the discord. We also upload the raw gameplay to our patrons as well.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG ah ok cool! I might need to go become a patron then!
Just one card - Force of Vigor, and you can miss on endstep loop packs (Am I missing smthg, why there were no Cabal Ritual before the Crown?)
And no grave shuffle before mnemonic? Sad Froggy here :'(
Always love to see a gitrog go down, mainly cause they take so much time 😂
Man, that sacrifice of Kraum to Tevesh seems unnecessarily greedy
Tevesh seems super good mid- to late game value grinder!
Oooooo that was spicy. That was really fun to watch. Kinda feel bad fr noah tho
should do a top 3 most valuable cards, i quite sure that naus, dockside would almost always appears in the top
Not in my top three, while I def agree with naus, dockside extortionist is a very fraile card that to me only rlly benefits in comp due to the large artifact staples used in comp vs casual
Imagine if there was a full color cycle of Elvish Spirit Guide/Simian Spirit Guide so that black, blue, and white had that too!
Oh yeah blue needs a free blue mayo turn zero
Delighted to see that one dayyyyy lololol
the 2 we already got are banned in modern and are not all that good. completing the cycle would just be a waste of cardboard
@@ich3730 not in the eternal spot light or under that microscope 🔬 - just one MORE mana (right now because this is instant) is what winzzzzz gamezzzz LOL
I like the last bit of the game! Mike lied!
I'm curious to know what card won the weirdest card challenge, because it wasn't mongrel and I have no other ideas
So, any chance of a Tergrid gameplay?
That was a great game! One question though, wouldn't Mike have to give Noah his chrome mox back since Noah died? Idk honestly.
I don't understand. Can someone explain the 8 card ruling with Gitrog?
So basically during clean up the game gets rid of all the "during this turn" effects and other stuff, including silence, and you discard down to hand size.
if you have 8 cards in hand and discard a land, the gitrog monster's ability triggers, and this interrupts the clean up step, you do the draw thing, and you get to start the clean up step again and you can cast instants because all the 'during this turn' effects already ended.
Sure. So in cleanup step, you have to discard to handsize, if you discard dakmor salvage, that triggers the frog and you have to resolve the trigger. Since players can't cast stuff in the cleanup step, that kinda puts you back to end step. A few things happen; the "until eot" effects end when transitioning into the cleanup step (which is why silence stops working). The next thing that happens is, you can replace the gitrog's draw trigger with dakmor's dredge ability, which brings dakmor back to your hand, resulting in having 8 cards in your hand again. As the end step ends (again), you have to discard to handsize. You can pretty much repeat that so many times, until you mill yourself (and reshuffle your grave with titans into your library). Ofc through dredging, you can hit a land again, which will "net" you a card in this loop. Hence performing this "loop" you can basically filter your hand until you have the perfect 7 of which 1 is darkmor in order to stop this "loop". (you do that with the extra triggers from dredge...you draw until you see a card you like and then discard cards you don't like along with dakmor). you can then usually proceed to win with ESG>crop rotation>cradle/filter land to make infinite green/black>getting emergence zone>win with whatever wincon you're running.
hope I was clear enough.
@@xAnonymousss you get priority during the cleanup step if an ability triggers (in this case Gitrog), actions are then taken in the cleanup step, you don't move back to an end step. Cleanup then repeats. If you got additional end steps you could abuse end step triggers.
@@chrisbedrin3618 I'm pretty sure you get a new end step, because why would you then get multiple cleanup steps, lol
@@xAnonymousss because thats how it works, he explained it well. Why would you NOT get more clean up, you still have 8 cards in hand, thats the whole point of the loop
Those stakes got nuts
At 7:30 Noah had to pass the turn because he didn't have floating mana to win immediately. He could have played his Lotus petal, crack it for a black to cast dark ritual? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he could have won there
He would need flash because he wasn't in a main phase. You can't cast at sorcery speed during cleanup.
@@chrisbedrin3618 oh yeah ofc. Thank you
you guys should do a CDH battle with strixhaven legends. I really want to see how pushed Zaffai can be.
does Noah not run Slaughter Pact? if he does, its definitely a mistake not holding it in his hand after his big turn. except for that the game was very enjoyable to watch!
So I’m Curious why Noah didn’t grab emergence zone with crop rotation at 6:48, he could have won the game right then and there unless I’m missing something that happened in game
His list doesn't play emergence zone. The list in the database also doesn't play it.
The whole "pulling off a combo to realise you've got no mana left with Gitrog" thing hits home so hard :(
My condolences go to Noah, I've been there. I bet he noticed once he cast crop rotation and searching his library thinking "where am I even going with this?". Good game everybody!
Phyrexian tower
Should've said 0.1%, Mike!
Mike could've put Kraum in the command zone due to the zone change from timetwister right?
I've been trying to find something in the rules about the Silence / end of turn / discard priority thing that happened at around 5:40, can anyone point me in the right direction? i don't really understand it
edit: for anyone else with the same question, i think i figured it out...two things happen in the clean up step: first, the active player discards down to hand size, and then "until end of turn" effects cease to exist. normally no player receives priority in this step, so players wouldn't be able to take advantage of the silence effect wearing off. however, the gitrog monster triggers after discarding, so the trigger goes on the stack and players will receive priority, so the gitrog player can cast entomb.
relevant rules: 514, 514.1, 514.2, 514.3, 514.3a
edit 2: now im slightly confused because of the wording on silence... it says "Your opponents can't cast spells this turn", not "your opponent's can't cast spells until the end of this turn". The end step and cleanup step are still during this turn, so i don't see how you get around that
Re-read 514.2, it includes "this turn" effects in it along with EOT stuff.
MIKE THE TRICKSTER GOD
So... He didn't use dark ritual to net 3 black and have 1 green leftover. Use 2 black for oblivion crown and have 1 black and 1 green remaining. do the dakmor loop and produce more black mana then proceed to crop rotation loop for gaea's cradle to net infinite green. continue crop rotation loop for twilight mire and filter infinitely and assassin's trophy ftw.
Most Dakmoor loops have been confirmed Deterministic in competitive games, just to be clear :) Discarding and hoping for land draws is one of the few cases where it isn't.
There are Dakmoor loops that are deterministic but the one's listed in the primer at the database require a discard outlet. I don't think there's a way that end of turn discard can be made in a deterministic way.
I agree ad nauseum is among the most powerful cards in EDH, but i think this game perfectly demonstrates how fragile the card is. If Noah had not cast it, he would have lived much longer that game. It takes your life total so low, that if you can't finish, get your seatbelt! Good game y'all :)
Love your vids! Is there anyone over there that is a Sisay, Weatherlight Captain player?
What is the wincon for the tasigur deck?
Mike: "I have (cof* 1 cof* 0 cof*) 0% chance of winning"
Silence says "Your opponents can’t cast spells this turn" why would it end in the cleanup step?
That’s when those effects end.
I don't think you should allow Gitrog to shortcut the endstep sculpt. If your "loop" is not deterministic, and it takes a full 1-2 minutes per iteration, of which you need hundreds, to execute, it's slowplay and you shouldn't go for it.
It’s not ruled slow play :)
What is mikes play mat and how can I get one?
It's called "Hunters in the Snow," if you order one please use our affiliate link in the video description! It's one of my favorite playmats! -Mike
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG thank you!!
8:00 this is why you run slaughter pact or deadly rollick.
It's the frog!
Why do people always misplay around veil of summer on this channel?
Didn't Eldritch Evolution use Tasigur as a cost to find Koma? Tasigur's a 6cmc and Koma's a 7cmc
It allows you to find a creature CMC X or less. So koma can be found with the card.
What if Mike actually DIDN'T have a chance to win until he drew from Tevesh Szat, which Folger could've stopped with Koma before he moved to his main phase?
He drew Oracle + Dockside so this is true.
I wonder if activating Koma in the upkeep to tap Tevesh Szat would've made a difference (it's only two cards)
Would tapping Tevesh Szat prevent him from using his planeswalker abilities?
I dont think so
@@markalexanderyourell8434 I suppose so; gotta do it in the upkeep though otherwise Tevesh player will have priority once precombat mainphase starts
Sun Tzu gonna be proud of Mike
Son of a gun...
There is a problem. Mike shouldn't have that chrome mox anymore because it was Noah. When he killed Noah it should have been exiled.
are the cards of a dying player really "exiled"? I always thought they just "go poof" as a state-based action
@@ich3730 yes but the chrome mox shouldn't be there regardless.
as soon as a saw the thyssa. i was like "LIERRRRR"
Gitrog Missplay
He could reshuffle his graveyard and cast dark ritual to make positive black mana and win in instant speed.
There was no floating mana remaining once establishing a discard outlet
@Zeb Hillard Hand after the "loop" should contain Dark Rit, Crown, Crop Rotation. Tap Cradle for GG, use one + sac Cradle for Crop, get a Swamp, tap it. Now with BG, use Dark Rit --> BBBG, playing Crown makes that BG and enables the real loop.
OR he could have just crop rotated for phyrexian tower and sac the ramanup for BB to cast enchantment on Gitrog...leaving Green up to cast Crop again to loop inf mana
Actually nevermind, he wouldn't have 2 creatures in play to net mana off cradle then. Disregard >
@@chrisboone2755 there's also no way for the deck list to win at instant speed, so while this particular instance was definitely misplayed going for it at all that turn was the real mistake.
I really hope they take advantage of codie at some point for turbonause
Idk but even in CEDH I don’t ever play with people that lie. If you lie you never get invited to another play session again.
Lying is also part of EDH politics, so I don't mind. Fool me once, shame on me. Try it again, you're getting MLD from me.
Man beating you must be ez as fck, just ask whats in your hand xD
Why would it be common courtesy to let the gitrog monster player short cut their filtering of their deck? They could easily mill two non lands and the loop stops.
It doesn’t. They reset every time and the process starts over because they have 8 cards in hand again.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG isn’t it discarding at end step, so any cards picked back up after wouldn’t then again be discarded right? Because the discard portion of the end step has passed
Cleanup happens after end step. That’s when you discard. That keeps repeating until you have 7 cards in hand.
@@JAG19d Discarding happens in the cleanup step (the step after the end step) inside of what's called the Ending Phase. If something triggers during the cleanup step, you resolve the triggers, then get another cleanup step. This happens over and over until no triggers happen during cleanup.
mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Ending_phase#Cleanup_step
anyone wanna explain how the gitrog double turn thing happens?
If a triggered ability happens in your cleanup step, the triggered ability goes onto the stack, players receive priority, then the ability resolves, and you get another cleanup. Gitrog players call this the "cleanup step hand sculpt".
I did not realize gitrog could be so complex...
Noah could've won during his cleanup step :(
Ooh, Tasigur.
This game was hilarious
Cedh is so crazy
the comment before the KO xD
The Gitrog hate is strong with this group.
Hahaha no chance on winning lol. Good game.
Go Gitrog Go!!
no mention of the illegal chrome mox on mikes field makes me upset
noah could have easily kept grabbing lotus petal and kept cracking it for infinite mana
mike should not have kept that chrome mox.... when gitrog died, it should have been exiled from play.
Oh right! I missed that!
@@MrThewooter drastically changes the outcome of this game, game state= far from preserved, still great content however!