Special Interest: Hypocrisy and Politics in Jiu Jitsu & BJJ
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- This is a particular video that may not interest everyone, but for those in the tangled world of BJJ and Jiu Jitsu this is a video worth watching. Here, Chad Lyman addresses the elephant in the room and talks about the rampant greed and hypocrisy in BJJ and Jiu Jitsu.
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This is very true. I have three boys in gracie Jiu-Jitsu, two yellow belts and one white belt. We moved about 15 miles away from our previous house and the sensei moved about 10 miles further. I can't drive that far every other night, but was told not to come back if they go train at a place closer to where we currently live. It's really childish and silly.
Derek Rose with a coach like that it sounds like you are better off at the other school anyway!
Derek Rose Which sensei said that? That's horrible and childish.
Derek Rose Why would you want to go back?
Derek Rose What gracie school is giving out yellow belts?
You know I was thinking that most Gracies (not all) especially the ones that are the closest to Helio's lineage are like this. Very tribalist, close minded, "if I didn't teach you that then don't use it cause it doesn't work" mindset. Again, not all are like that, Renzo for instance.
Tribalism and human pettiness seep into everything, like dust. Good video.
Mikey Musumeci in a nutshell
wow....we need more coaches like him. Open mind ya'll👍👍👍👍
Agreed! We are all into together!
Reminds me of every Ketsugo Ju Jitsu instructor or coach I have ever known.
100% right...i don't get the whole betrayal thing...ridiculous. Grown ass men trying to control other grown men...get it together
BJJ greed goes way overboard here in Brasil, they made a league jus to Block ju jitsu/Jutsu acess to JJIF so we can t compete full fighting system and Duo System. The Greed is so mad that there s no Brasilian fighting for Brasil they go to catar and compete as middle east athletes.
this is true in all martial arts. its become a world of cliques and politics instead of persnal growth and learning.
one of the best qualities of a wrestling background; they compete so much they don't take it too seriously. at the match, they are game, but afterwards, they seem to stay cool. a great attitude to encourage in fight sports. we all grow when we work together, we lose when we have these stupid beefs.
To much politics in BJJ I had to quit. Which is a shame, a lot of my wrestling a Judo carried over. Just to much drama and silly stuff. I'd like to find a gym/coach like this guy.
Going through this right now. I have been a black belt for 5 years and I have flown the GB banner since 2003. We're looking to break away. We're mostly military guys so people come and go all the time and I think it's great because there is always fresh perceptives and experience. I don't feel the need to justify every student coming and going and training other places they're grown ass people.
Gezere9 where are you guys out of?
When I was teaching for money, I used to actively encourage students to train elsewhere and bring back anything they learned. It did nothing but make us stronger.
The first BJJ school I went to was super competitive. Guys just trying to wreck you. My goal was just to learn something new, learn self-defense, and get in shape. I didn't care about belts, and the instructor was a dick to me.
Jealousy is mostly the problem... not sure... maybe is how I see in BJJ there is like no martial art code, spirit, values, ... BJJ does a lot of marketing... is a really big business... and money...all about money... wonder how much did charge Esai Maeda to Gracies when it all started back then?
You would never hear a Judo instructor spouting politics and mentioning names other than Kano it's founder. BJJ is a franchise, which is a terrible way to teach martial arts.
Hmmm... Why do I instinctively think of team alpha male when I hear this?
BroNumsi because faber is a greedy asshole. Now the team is in shambles all because faber was jealous of Dwayne’s success. And the rumor of TJ ruining chris holdsworth’s career is completely false. Buchholz said it best “before dwayne came in we all sparred hard AF he’s 6”1’ cutting down to 135 of course he’s more prone to brain damage”
Amen
Great video. Not only does training at different BJJ gyms help you to become better but it gives you an opportunity to see where your skill level is at. I train at a Royce Gracie affiliated gym here in TX but every chance that I get when I go out of town I always pack my gi. Gracie Humaita and Paragon BJJ are some of the schools that I've trained at while on the road and I always learn something new to take back home. And for anyone that may be visiting in the Galveston, Texas area come on by Anaconda BJJ. Our doors are always open.✌🏽🤙🏽
And... You like to say it's jiu jitsu ,hey learn Japanese because it's JuJitsu! Unlock your brain!
Excellent viewpoint. This should apply to martial arts in general as well.
Yes, you can always learn something new and improve your skills.
Never train one discipline. But dont neglect what you've learned.
I can compete with anyone and have a beer with them after!
You say gracie and thats all i need to know. Better keep away from them once you know who they are really, used and abused jiujitsu.
That's more than silliness. It's fucking childish. 💯ಠ_ಠ
I got a text from a Bjj school i trained at. I was told never to come back because i turned my back on the school and his teaching.
In reality i left because of my son. My son is an immigrant and im doing all that i can to legalize him in this country. I talk to one of the owners and told him my situation and i thought that was the end of it. I get back to training once this is all set and done. I guess not.
I will stick to karate and japanese jujitsu.
Great message. I am in the Kenpo industry, politics are bad.
I completely agree...it's all about loyalty until someone doesn't pay their monthly subscription.
💯💯💯
It's a business. If y'all want to learn the pure art. REX KWON DO!
Thank you. I agree completely.
I just went through this. Good stuff. UA-cam has everything. I think cross training is a good thing. Jiu Jitsu is what it is...Jiu Jitsu. We are all a family and lets support each other in getting better.
Preach man.
Over 35 years I have trained in different gyms and martial arts Judo, Boxing, Muay Thai, German Ju-Jutsu, Atemi Ju-Jitsu, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Sambo and the biggest dickheads I have meet have always been Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu players. I really don't know why!
Although I am a complete outsider with zero experience of any martial art, I have been following a few BJJ channels on UA-cam.
My perception is that the Gracie clan are full of very canny businessmen - more power to them. However, if I were to take a stab at trying BJJ, I would want to go with a no-name instructor rather than a slick franchise.
Also, BJJ does seem to the most 'middle-class' martial art I have ever seen - almost like the hipster of martial arts.
@@threethrushesactually BJJ is for rich people it's very expensive the membership and paying every month
That was amazing. Keep speaking truth to the powers that be.
Solid preachin'! I was also unaware of the drama and mixed affiliations in BJJ. But as an outsider, I can find no sense or practicality in not encouraging your students to train with other instructors, and that goes for ANY skills training. Look at all the best firearms instructors who are passionate about helping their students truly better themselves. They ENCOURAGE their students to train with OTHER instructors to gain as much knowledge and skill that they can to become the best they can be. AND, these same instructors will train with other instructors themselves. I feel any true teacher of any skill should do the same for all of their students.
Great point bro...cross training is very common in the gun and tactical world... whether we all agree...that is a different matter all together lol
I think sometimes people love the melodrama
I think you mean "Creonte" lol. Still, good point of view .
In the words of sifu Bruce if you are sure of your knowledge then you have no reason to hide it
yep! I tried joining a Jiu Jitsu gym in San Antonio and they gouged me for a full year membership. I couldn't afford NOT to join so when I dropped 4 months later the gym owner emailed me saying she's rather take a payment to cut off the contract than get the Sherrif involved. I was later informed it's complete bullshit to have the Sherrif involved in such a matter. I didn't ask for advice and I learned this way.
Their contract also says you may not go to another gym for a year after leaving their gym. Left that important fact out.
Heroes Zeros thats crazy man. Talk about pettiness.
This multinational-Dojo really make me upset. Did you find another Dojo?
Where was this? I'd like to know what dumpster fire of a gym I should be avoiding.
Chad Lyman is one the most practical and solid instructors I've had the pleasure of training with. His teaching is simple, understandable, and applicable. Followed by lack of arrogance, ego, and a lot of humility makes him the one of the best instructors I've met.
WOW...Thanks brother...so blessed to have an opportunity to teach
I train with Gracie Barra and at least once a week I train with my buddy at ZR which is divorced from GB. I wear my GB GI when I train because I do feel honored about my school. I even went to my friends grand opening wearing my GI. I didn't think about it until after that I was the only person that had the other brands GI on. I love Jui-Jitsu it is a family and connection that is hard put into catagories. Because the art translate through the roll. None of our GI's matter when we are in the battle with family. So i will continue to wear my schools GI in other gyms. No different than I wear my Americanness when I go to other countries.. It is all about family..
is bjj with or with out gi? (is japanees Jiu Jitsu always with gi?)
This is so well said. I am a member of Team Mica in Vegas, I love everyone I train with, but I love the idea of cross training. I love the patch on my back and I will fight for Mica, but I would love to roll with and train to improve with anyone who wants to share mat sweat with me. Such a great video.
I switched schools last year. Best decision ever. My first teacher was making it a clique that it was clear I wasn’t apart of so when I asked if it was just me my teammate validated my hunch. Switched schools and heard slanderous rumors, I was met with contempt and questions at the tournaments but got my hand raised under the new school. My needs are met and that’s what should be happening.
This is why this sport will never be in the Olympics. Should have gotten your act together before 2016. 2028 is your next shot in Los Angeles prove me wrong. Because in Paris in 2024 no way.
Excellent video! I really miss Jiu Jitsu... I remember my gym went through a change in affiliation and instructors and the included drama.
I remember when I first started training in 1996 and it was about loyalty. I get it, but in the US where people are paying the instructor, the school doesn't own anyone, including students. The students pay the bills of the instructors so I never did agree 100% with all the loyalty stuff in the US.
On the other hand. I always remained loyal because when I started I was "in" with the Gracie family. Since I wasn't paying, I felt more of a need to show loyalty. So, I never trained at another "school". I trained with friends in an informal environment but never with a known school.
Our coach says go train anywhere as long as you bring any knowlage back and share it!
Everybody bitches about money in whatever it is they pursue. The fact is that if you believe in something, the only reasonable course of action is to make it your profession and live off the proceeds. This is the only way you can dedicate yourself to it. What else? Work at Walmart and do your thing evenings and weekends? Where would we be right now if Rorion Gracie had taken that route? Freakin' nowhere, that's where.
Sensei Chad is correct
sorry but where exactly is the "fight training" in this in(n)(t)erschool politics bullshit?
Brazillian gyms don’t get down like that. It’s the old school martial arts ways 🥋
Lyman seems reasonable, although the title of this video is typical of the dishonesty of Funker Tactical. Funker hates BJJ and the respect (deserved) it gets as an effective art, and chooses to disparage BJJ each chance it gets while at the same time supporting con men like Fred Mastro and that "No Offence" bumpkin (who can't spell the word "offense" correctly).
The irony is, for all the shit that Rorion has taken for the way he treated his brothers, he is the only one of the bunch who understood how America worked, how business is done here, and had a plan to leave the favela and make it work in the U.S. And he did it. He took risk and did what needed to be done. Personally, I think he made a mistake in selecting Royce for the UFC, and should have showcased Rickson, maybe should have marketed Rickson as "the most dangerous man in the world" or some such, but he did a good job nonetheless of publicizing BJJ for the masses (I picked it up in college with UFC II, me and my buddies couldn't believe such an event existed, and I attended UFC IV in Tulsa and met the fighters, it was cool). Rickson was a prima donna who wanted too much money to fight instead of having the vision to work his way into the public eye for a huge payday later, which he could, and should, have done. Rorion understood all of that. He's the only one who did. His sons understand it, too, which is why they are so successful in the U.S. That's why Royce is the most recognizable name in MMA among casual fans, while Rickson, the superior fighter, is lesser known.
Without Rorion Gracie, BJJ would still be relegated for the most part in backwood shitholes in Brazil. The "problem" that Lyman discusses isn't a problem at all, it's just a comment on human nature and the dynamics of business in a capatalist market like the U.S. He's basically just saying that there is pettiness in the community, and for everyone to grow up and stop it. Well, no shit. It's a tempest in a teapot, not "Hypocrisy and Politics in Jiu Jitsu and BJJ" as the title suggests. GTFOH.
good post bro, and a great historical perspective...In Vegas this is a BIG deal...people literally don't speak to each other over this stuff literally over night here, based on what the instructor says...I agree with your take on what it is, but the environment here is this "loyalty" stuff is out of control...and guys can not train openly with others unless they just stand up to their coach and say too bad, I am a grown manReally enjoyed reading your perspective
Yes, it's too bad that the egos get in the way. BJJ is special, in my opinion. It's both high art and science. I think many guys, and maybe some women, are like me and consider themselves able to handle themselves. But, that first time you roll for real in a BJJ class and have that blue or purple belt tie you in knots every 30 seconds while trying your best to resist it, is an eye-opener. The power of the technique is amazing. Like Jocko Willink said, BJJ is a akin to a super power. I believe in it, and that everyone should learn the basics for self-defense, particularly women and kids. The in-fighting and back-biting of instructors hinders the goal of spreading this beautiful art.
Mossingen 1968 it's Hypocrisy..If your Mr Loyalty and you have rules that say no switching gyms and teaching our skill secrets...then the team sucks and is losing big-time and people are quitting and you sell out to Team Winner Gracie because your team failed...OK here's your new gi and now we're gonna learn a whole new way and new instructors..But dont go to that other gym and grapple or your not welcome back here...Then that's hypocrisy.
People dont see their own hypocrisy Cole, nor can they see the hypocrisy of their infallible idols
this issue is even worse with kids competition teams.
PREACH O.G., PREACH!
Thank you!!!!
What if you travel for a living and can't commit to a particular team? Should you just forget BJJ?
So well said....great post thanks =)
My son was just blacklisted from Boxing Gyms all across the State because of this exact reason, and he's not even a registered fighter ffs just a kid sick of his bullies. Listening to this guy just melts my raging heart, much love for you man
my thing is u train were u train mean if it one school then u train there no we're else
Guillermo Avila why?
Hell yeah
Bunch of political bs also happened to Kyokushin Karate.
While under its creator and founder, Mas Oyama, Kyokushin was just International Karate Organization Kyokushinkaikan.
After Oyama died, his successor, Shokei Matsui assumed control of IKO Kyokushinkaikan. However he wasn't the most senior in rank nor age or status and people within the organization didn't acknowledge him as the legitimate successor, so there were 2 other branches that broke off claiming to also be IKO and a bunch of other off shoot organizations started by other students of Oyama.
Basically after Oyama died, everything went to shit and a lot of his senior most students and former world champions went off a did their own thing.
Agreed, Stephan Kesting made a similar point about the downfall of Kung Fu by stating that the culture of secrecy surrounding established schools may have played a role in their martial art stagnating.
creonte: The coining of the term is credited to the late grandmaster Carlson Gracie who is said to have adopted the name from a character in a popular TV Soap opera broadcast in Brazil. The character had many allegiances and changed his mind and loyalties frequently.
Right on. Great message.
Good piont of view
This man is an OG! Bjj
Great video
Chad is a good dude!
Martial arts has always been thus way and political..It's not a bjj issue it's an mma issue. Boxing is the same way...But it's also "you can't be here you're with team so and so"..Team leaders will think the outsider will find out weaknesses from training and to be fair if a football player wanted to practice with a coach that worked for some pro team But he wasn't on the pro team the coaches management team would probably consider him a traitor so I dont know..As Dusty Rhodes said..No honor among theives and some of these teams are milking these younger guys they know will never be awesome.
100% agree
nicely said
as a little league baseball coach, I absolutely like this take. So, many coaches and trainers in my area of expertise all have the secret and refuse to share the knowledge. why? it took me a long time and a lot of money to gain my knowledge. why? because in the end, people can be pendejos! I coach any kid wanting to learn baseball and give it away free. Coach, out fucking standing approach!! one day I can take beat up body and learn BJJ, more like watch. I don't bend anymore well. great job
#UFC232 #KEEPBRASILCREONTEFREE
It's not so much loyalty as much as it is people wanting to be popular, have their own fan base/money source. Cause let's be real how much loyalty would there be if you didn't haven't enough money to pay dues or weren't bringing views/likes etc? And that's what all their bull boils down to when they call you family, have their little logos and other bs while trying to slang their gear to you so you can help "support". Like the monthly dues and equipment maintenance charge isn't doing it.
I had that happen to me in 2004. I went to a seminar with Alliance's Jacare and then my teacher stopped being my friend. I couldn't believe it. BJJ all came from one family. Who cares who teaches it. It all came from the same place.
What's this guy saying? I have people from other gyms visit all the time. Nobody cares.
I'm currently going through something like this. I was asked to leave the team, because I would like to go visit different gyms. Even the ones who are affiliated, and that still became an issue. Another one was that a few of us would get together outside the gym, and hang out. Apparently that became an issue as well. Specially because the coach felt like he should be invited to our hang outs. The reason we wouldn't invite him was because he always told us. He only wanted students nothing else.
I started out training with Gracie Academy in Tennessee. I moved to Florida and in my town there is no GA. I restarted with another school available here. Nobody ever said anything about it. Naturally; I'm low level and not a professional but, if people are making such a big deal about it, maybe that gym isn't the place for you to begin with.
thats what happens in the martial arts wen you dont study bushido the warriors code thats the problem with the martial arts no loyalty witch is the number 1 most important thing in a humans life loyalty to your parents teacher wife friends with out it you have no value as a human if you teach that you legacy and impact will last for ever i learn that from helio gracie the founder of brazilian jiu jitsu r i p
Jay pages in Phoenix AZ and the whole AZ is very open, I feel the hub is Jay pages! All of them are good. Hespect
Jiu jitsu sucks.
It's not called mixed martial arts, it's called Brazilian jiu-jitsu
I agree it's all so silly, and a form of tribalism. It inhibits growth and knowledge of the sport.
P.S. Love for Portland!
What does affiliation mean in a jiu jitsu academy? I assumed that your affiliation is derived through who gave you your belt?
What a great perspective!
Train hard, be creative, open minded, flexibility, respectful, love the art.
I wanna train with this guy.
In my mind he is the embodiment of jujitsu.
cheers
new to your channel and haven't trained often since i stopped teaching MMA a few years ago, due to other work. but BJJ has always been one of my favourite animist appreciated martial arts. the kind of perspective your friend there shows, is always a pleasure to see. keep up the great work
Thank you! I began gracie barra, had to move and bounced around to find a home, plus i love dropping in outta town, had a great class last week 10nth planet rochester with chris herzog!
That's pretty much what happens when a discipline becomes sport based vs self defense based.
Amen, thats why I love my school. My professor encourages us to go to open mats and visit other academies. Just as long as we bring back what we learn.
Our professor encourages us to go to different schools and get cross training. His only concern is that we run it through his filter to make sure it's a good technique.
That's cool. That's really cool. Love what you have shared here 🙏🏼 Thank you ❤️
weird. this is the first i've heard of people not wanting to learn from each other.
Amazing advice. Much respect for you.
So if u are the bigger team and that guy wants to be on your team. How do u take him without being disloyal
This is 100% truth
Maybe this should have been geared towards tj vs. alpha male
what's always intersting on youtube is that they call bjj Jiu Jitsu (with out the B)
Eff this shit. Practice judo instead.
lol he's great but did u hear how he said cortar voce loco tapas branco
I've run into the same issue with Taiji camps. Free exchange of ideas is how the Art evolves.
narayantx yep. ritual is the beginning of ignorance. green comes from blue.
It'd be nice to have this sentiment more prevalent.
Hahaha live down the street from rcj