I’d say to answer the question of whether this is a “wow” camera we’d have to start by defining what makes a camera a “wow” camera. In my opinion, a “wow” camera is something that surprises you; something that greatly exceeds expectations and something that provides new features not available elsewhere in the marketplace. Clog2 has been around since 2018 or so, it is nothing new and easy to come by. Putting it in the MkII doesn’t make it wow, it makes an “well it’s about time” camera, same for the full size HDMI port, in fact most everything you list (most, not all) are features that should have already been, aren’t now and certainly don’t surprise anyone. In fact many should be in a firmware update not a new camera. I get the sense when you say “wow”, you mean they finally fixed things that shouldn’t have been an issue in the first place. So before we can even begin to discuss a “wow” camera we need an agreement on what makes a “wow” camera. If I want all these features I could buy a Z8 that’s a year old and have 90% of them, consequently I’m not going to say “wow” just because Canon finally caught up and are now “only” a year behind Nikon and Sony. That’s “my” opinion (“wow” that’s a lot of double quotes😂)
The R5ii has the fastest focusing system available along with eye tracking functionality and 16 stops of dynamic range. Yea that’s a BIG WOW! for me with no need to double quote.
This camera is a Sony a1 but $2k cheaper. It should have more dynamic range than either the z8 or the a1. The r3 already has better dynamic range and the r5ii supposedly bests the r3 dynamic range.
Yes totally agree. I would rather have that then the difference of 30-60 or 120 fps that may be great but not for all of us!!! Better images is what is important
maybe because those youtubers (some not all) for years have given in depth, comprehensive insights and reviews on cameras pros and cons that are based on facts and experience and not blinded by brand loyalty. And a number have found these two cameras wanting. I was all set to order the R5ii until the ones I have been following for years all raised genuine issues that affect my style of photography. So yeah, I will pay attention when a respected and honest "UA-camr" raises some valid points.
Some don't understand that someone like myself has owned the AE1 first then upgraded to the original 5d so my new move was to purchase the new R52 for my 3rd camera of my life! So to some it's not a big step but keep in mind not everyone's move is the same. 3 cameras from 1977, the year i graduated to present day my new R52 at 65 years old, thanks Cannon, plus I still get to use my L lenses!
I started with a 7d and learned off that. When I decided to take the hobby more seriously and do some video I jumped to the R, then when the R6 came out with the video Eye AF I jumped to that, and finally to the R5 for the extra MP and features and as I started to realize the handicaps the R5 had, I decided to go back to the R6 and now I shoot sony lmao
It will take a bit f getting used to. You are going to see a huge difference. I went from he 70D to the R5 and it took me 8 months to get used to it ;)
Upgrading in few-and-far-between leaps is the smart way to go, especially with digital cameras, which depreciate almost as fast as EV's. Whilst I'm happy with my Canon lens collection, I have far too many bodies littered around the place. It's like a morgue. From 5D to R5 Mk II will be a treat for you! Good timing.
The photo abilities of almost all full frame cams nowadays are exceptional. However, I think it's the video features of the R5II that make it the best hybrid you can buy right now.
The question for most photographers/videographers isn’t whether or not the R5 II or R1 are great cameras. They seem like they are. The question is whether or not they can produces images that photographers/videographers can’t with their current cameras in a practical sense.
Full quality 14 bit RAW in electronic shutter is a win for me. Plus the R5 struggles on the wedding dance floor and hops all over the place. Will be nice to program in the bride as the primary subject!
There was NO "wow" factor, focus demos are always great, but when you have the camera, doesn't work as in the demos. Canon could do one of the following things for the next iteration if they want to have any wow factor and stop loosing clients: Global Shutter, DGO for 16+ stops dynamic range, and a RAW codec like PicoRaw. I'm thinking switching to Nikon for the Z6iii, it's RAW codec works great with Resolve, I never though I would say this, but Nikon is better now. (Edit: The switching will be painful, but Canon's disrespectful, predatory, usurious attitude and disdain for its clients, its quite evident).
1. What exactly are you doing that requires you to have a Global Shutter and 16 stops dynamic range? 2. What specifically is being shown in the demos that your camera does NOT have?
@@Davitor1 for number 1, i think it does not matter, people just love new tech, otherwise no one will pushing the technology forward. Before iPhone came, you might have asked "What exactly are you doing that requires you to use a touch screen with multi-touch".
@@Davitor1 1. With that logic, lets shoot a commercial using an iPhone 😂 the dynamic range of the EOS R5 is NOT competing with Sony and Nikon, it is NOT about me, it is about the other brands, same with global shutter. 2. "Look this cool demo, the focus snaps into the subject", then, you try to film anything, and the focus moves to anything that is closer to the camera 😂
@@jerrylee188 people are amused by new tech but unless it’s applicable and pertinent to they’re needs they’re not willing to accept it’s hefty price. Hence the cellphones is killing the camera industry in sales because the majority of people can get what they want from a PHONE 📱
Simon, I think that you have made the argument that the R5 Mark II is a significant improvement over the R5 as a video camera and if you buy one of the battery grips for either vertical shooting or horizontal heat control when shooting at temps of 80 degrees and above outside. And let’s be honest you really need three extra p batteries to get some of those new features for a $5000 dollar price tag. I think that is a good value relative to the current hybrid cameras that are available. However, I think that the fact that here in the USA we can buy an R5 for $2400 brand new with a 1 year Canon USA warranty is very significant for us who primarily stills shooter. The wow factor is missing for us. I am not saying that it is a dud for us stills users but it does not make me want to spend twice the price of the R5 for the R5 Mark II. I think that we needed the sensor readout speed to be greater than 1/250s for rolling shutter control for electronic shutter not the 1/160s we got which was less than the R3 ‘s 1/180s. I appreciate the upgrades that were added but not for a $5k plus cost. Remember that in printing stills photography very few can actually print better than 8 stops and those require $3000 - $5000 printers with custom profiles and very expensive paper. I have saved the money to buy my next camera for my primarily stills photography. If I can’t figure this out as a 45 year Canon user, I bet others are struggling too. I’m glad for the video improvements but this camera is not one that is making me itchy to spend the money I saved for it. Maybe the answer will be the Sony A7 v or the A1 II which should be here anytime from this Fall or Next. I have been re-working my studio lighting for several years now and those are very costly relative to my Camera bodies. I am not happy with this offering from Canon and I think that they have disappointed me as a stills photographer with both the R1 and the R5 Mark II. They are improved camera bodies that are more focused towards video shooting and have fallen behind in sensor readout speed relative to the competition. Still they have improved what they used to do but…..
@@robertatwell7615 I’ve been shooting canon for the last 16 years I’m 44 and you are spot on, I also have been saving for a good upgrade and I don’t even have the R5 been making good money with the “R” believe it or not but also been upgrading my lenses I was happy to hear about the showing of this camera but I also know it’s a pre production model still tho to me that’s not far off and everything you said is on target it’s more of a video thing than stills and if you ask me the price should be 3899.00 in this economy at the moment it would’ve made more sense to me but that’s my opinion. I might just go with the R5 and yes it came out in 2000 but it’s still a awesome camera for what it does in stills and now the price is even better at 2400 or 2600 new.
@@PhoenixIDGroup technically no recording limit with length of clip but Lok said it overheated on him in 40mins. PETA Pixel said Canon’s overheating guidance was 30mins for 4K 60 and that extended to 2hrs with the fan grip. But that obviously adds fan noise. Canon have said in an interview this is not an R5C replacement. It’s for quick shooting now and then.
As a non Canon shooter saying a full size HDMI is a reason for upgrade is wild. The A7siii had that back in 2020 and the A7iv had it back in 2021 and was $2500. The fact that Canon users think that is an upgrade in 2024 on a $4300 camera highlights the differences of other shooters.
Sensor read out speed is very very low for a Stacked sensor. There's simply no excuse having had all the time to bring something that matches the competition, leave along surpass them
@@lka968canon lenses are easy to sell, everyone is jumping to canon right? I had a hell of a time selling my RF glass because for the last 2 years all the RF glass was continuously on sale. Sucks but I found for my needs the A7iv and GM glass fit the bill. As a long time canon shooter, I shouldn’t have followed the hype and assessed my options before jumping from DSLR straight into RF. To each their own. If Nikon makes him happy, let the man be
@@lka968 I use Fuji and Nikon. Nikon is my main body. When shooting (2)brands you tend to lean one way as your main. The other camera tends to only need 1 or 2 lenses for the work you need it to do.
The R52 has some great tech but video wise it’s a downgrade from the R5C. All it's video modes but one are line skipped. They just added wave forms and false colour to the photo OS. It doesn’t have CineOS. It has a higher capacity battery but we don’t yet know how long it lasts. We know it overheats. PETA Pixel said 8K 24p gets 30 mins and with the $600 cooling grip it extends that time to 2hrs. The cooling grip also adds fan noise to nearby mics. Lok said 4K fine overheats in 40 mins. It has HDMI out and the LCD stays on when an external monitor is connected but unsure yet if you have granular cine OS style control about what resolution the output is and if it’s clean or has a hud. Also unsure if you can output to HDMI and record internally which was a thing you couldn’t do on the R5. It has no Digital Telecine like the R5C and C70 which I find immensely useful. It has clog2 but 16+ stops of dynamic range is ONLY in 4K fine 30p. It seems to vary in other modes. No dual base ISO on the R52. No timecode. No shutter angle. Not Netflix certified. 4K 24/30 (non-Fine mode) 4k60, 4k120 and all 4K S-Raw modes are line-skipped. The R5C oversamples everything. I’m not saying the R52 isn’t a great camera but If you bought an R5C because you needed cinema features nothing has changed as far as I can see. If you bought an R5C and constantly moaned because it didn’t have clog2 or IBIS then the R52 is the one for you.
@@JohnSmith762A11B I mean in theory yes.. there was mention of a new line skipping method that has higher quality.. but it’s still not oversampled.. so we’ll have to wait till they are in the wild to see what it looks like.
Canon still releasing cameras that overheat? I have a feeling we’re going to see a wave of negative reviews this Autumn when more people actually get their hands on this one. 🤦🏽♂️
As I’ve mentioned before, I reviewed thousands of companies in my previous life, and I struggle to understand Canon’s strategy. Canon is a perplexing company. They seem to have a significant leadership issue.
@@Davitor1 Haha. I was in the corporate world and became a professional photographer and videographer after being diagnosed with autoimmune conditions. It wasn't possible to continue working in the corporate world. But I found when doing photography and videography, there was sufficient flexibility to work around my health issues. My life certainly pre-autoimmune certainly feels like a different life.
Neither the R1, the R5ii or the recent VCM lenses are a letdown… but they do demonstrate that Canon is focussing on video and sport. Me? I like lightweight street, travel, studio, portraiture. Mainly stills. I have an R, R8 and a load of RF lenses. I also have a Sony a7cr and some nice small weather sealed primes. Realisation for me is that Canon isn’t headed in the direction I want to go… so I’m planning to sell up.
I went from dslr to the R, R6, R5 and after realizing the R5 handicaps they made my R6 more suitable for my needs: Cannot sustain 20 fps redundant because of the single CF Express. Cannot record higher speed 4k 120, 8k redundant because of the single CF Express. I finally made the switch to the A7iv when it was released and now waiting for the A1ii. The R5ii has some nice new features but what good are they with a single CF Express slot for professionals who require redundancy. Waveforms, false colour but my footage got corrupted and lost…. If it was a pricing decision, they should have scrapped the iris EVF and have it the second slot. Now we wait 4 more years for the R5iii lmao
With all the different battery grip options the R5ii has, you would really think they would take a page from the D850 and make a grip that allows the use of the R3 batteries. Instead they require people to buy the new variant of expensive batteries to get the performance and features they paid for.
When I used to have a 1DX MK II and 5D IV combo, you could really feel the extra power of the pro body batteries and how they can drive the lens a bit better. I believe they are 11v whereas the R5 MK I used 7.2v and now we get a slight bump to 8.5v (have to double check those numbers) Really wish we could have that battery in the R5 as well.
@@MarkWebbPhotography you’re absolutely correct. In fact it’s so important it may have pushed my decision to upgrade had they put the larger batteries into the R5mk2. For now I will wait.
Everyone needs to wait until people have the camera in their hands to review it properly. I’d like to see how good the dynamic range and ibis is. I’m sure the overheating is really a non issue like it eventually became on the r5.
That is a very important point. And I need to remind myself of this as well. I will wait till the FULL reviews come out before making my decision to buy R3 or R1 or even the R5 mk ii
And Nikon is still trying to Catch up To Canon and Sony with their AF. So what's your point. Far more MP for most shooters is meaningless. Sensors in top Models are just about to the point where most are more then just fast enough.
Canon released the R5 in 2020, let frogging the competition. Last year Nikon caught up with the Z8, it appears the R5 II and Z8 are very similar in capabilities, but the AF on the R5 II looks to be further ahead if the claims by Canon are true.
We have to remember when the R5 came out, it was amazing and then the cripple hammer floated to the surface. However after a few firmware updates, the new software started to fit the hardware. Now the MKII is out and I think with some time and firmware updates it will be more than enough. Even as it stands, I have the cash waiting to get it as soon as it’s available. As with everything, wrinkles will appear, but I’m sure they will be ironed out. I would be interest to find out, how many people have outgrown the R5, where the MKII is essential for their use. The reason I’m getting it, is that I need a new camera and this will probably the last one I will buy, so might as well, go for what I consider the perfect one for me.
There simply is not enough in the R5-II that would make me upgrade my two original R5s. I'll wait and see what the R5-III has to offer. Of course, I'd love my R5 more if they'd remove the 30 minute limit, but I have an R7 and R6-II for video work now, so I don't care as much about that like I used to. The original R5 is still a great camera for 2025 and beyond.
The improvements are across the board but the improvements don't push the needle enough for first gen users to rush out to spend 5k. The camera is an evolution instead of a revolution. Therefore, gen 1 users will naturally adopt the gen 2 camera more slowly. Asking current users to spend an extra $5,000 for mostly lateral upgrades that in essence gets them caught up to the competition is an insult. There is no doubt that new users will have an outstanding camera. Why Canon doesnt have a high res pro body is another issue that attributes to the lack of excitement from current users.
the R5 2 looks so good from the video side. but it is kind of taking away from the release when everyone is concerned about the "heat" factor. Sony has been very very quiet. Let's see what they come up with.
Yes there are a number of improvements for video shooters but I am almost exclusively a landscape and macro photographer using tripods. Unless there is a big improvement in dynamic range of the sensor and noise reduction I see little that interests me besides maybe a better viewfinder. SO I will stick with my R5 or maybe start looking at Nikon if Canon keeps 'focusing' on video as they have with their limited and recent firmware updates for the R5.
The reason for the focus on video is driving sales. Without strong videos capabilities, most cameras don't sell as well. The final reviews will help us understand the improvements on the photo side, but I sense the MK1 is more than enough for many.
I am primarily a wildlife stills shooter with occasional video so although there are some improvements over my R5 for that purpose I am not yet sure the R5ii is worth the upgrade price. I can appreciate how the improvements benefit the video shooters. Advantages for me would be improved AF, an electronic shutter I can control and possibly the stacked sensor. I think I will wait to see how they perform in the real world.
@@63barty Hmm, possibly but do I really want another 15 shots to preview? I would find that more attractive if it scaled proportional to the frame rate (which is programmable) but, as I understand it, it isn't.
R5II is mostly for action photographers such as wildlife, sports, fast moving subjects. Not mainly for still photographers.. We don't know details about it yet. Wait until full reviews of final products..
Thanks for pointing out the disappointment regarding the limit to only 30fps for 8K oversampled 4K footage! ( 11:50 ) Even the R5C was capable of 8K oversampled 4K at 60fps. Nikon also included 8K oversampled 4K60p years ago. The R5 Mark II should be more capable than the old R5C in EVERY way not just in most ways. The R5C had 8K oversampled 4K60p. The R5 II should've at least matched that or gone to oversampled 4K120p. Very underwhelming!!!! We must continue to put pressure on Canon to get a firmware update bringing 8K oversampled 4K60p to the R5 II!
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Yes! Maybe you can reach out to Canon and ask for a firmware update because your word has much more weight to it with all these followers behind you! Maybe they'll listen to you and give us 8K oversampled 4K60p with a future firmware update. We shouldn't just swallow this "cripple hammer pill". Thanks for your work, Simon!
And when Canon has the firmware update are you going to buy the camera? Unfortunately I find that most folks who complain are just other brand users who just want to complain.
Possibly a limitation of the Digic X processor? Even the R6mk2 has oversampled 4k60. In the R5mk2 this will really be messed up if you want to mix footage shot at lower frame rates.
@@Davitor1 Absolutely! I will switch to either Canon or Nikon in the next 7-8 months and I have about 25k to spend on new gear (camera body + lenses). I would prefer to go with Canon AND I will fully commit to the Canon R5 Mark II if we get this firmware update. If we don't get 8K oversampled 4K60p on the R5 II with an update I'll spend this money on Nikon lenses and the Nikon Z8 instead but I'd prefer Canon IF we get the update. So whether or not we will get this update decides if I go with Nikon or with Canon.
Mark ii illustrates how much pressure Canon had to make a splash with the original R5. We are back to small incremental improvements and lower effort, but not as bad as the cripple hammer days.
@natureredux1957 fixing a heating issue with an additional grip that adds to that MSRP? Revolutionary changes? Everything else the Mark ii offers are nice to haves but not "wow" features. The R5 looks like a better conceived product only out of necessity at the time for Canon.
@@SolidLiquidFox Well what has not gone up in price over the last several years. Nor did I claim the WOW factor, each person has to decide what is or not, WOW enough for them. But no, these are NOT just small incremental improvements. Hardly.
I am mainly a landscape shooter, currently using an R6, I want more megapixels of the R5 and was waiting for the r5ii to be announced. My biggest gripe with canon is theirs yet another battery grip and yet another new battery, many of the new features will be locked off if you are using a LPE6NH battery, not sure if my BGR10 grip will fit the R5ii yet but canon is too greedy, I will wait for a comparison video between the Mark 1 and the Mark 2 but I suspect I will be going for a Mark 1 and saving a load of cash
I currently shoot with the 6D MK II. I started 10 years ago with a T2i, then jumped to a 6D (I used them both with the Magic Lantern firmware which was fantastic) and finally jumped to the 6D MK II and honestly I think the 6D was better. At least the dynamic range was better. I worked in 2 continents with a single 6D, won nationa wide awards, Canon, NatGeo, etc. No need at all for "better equipment", knowledge and creativity compensate just fine for everything. Now I'm seriously thinking if I should finally jump to the mirrorless world. At the beginning I didn't do it because there were too many downsides and my equipment was sufficient (I still edit on photoshop 2015), but now apparently those are gone. My background is wedding and street photography. I'm thinking about jumping now mainly because of the auto focus system and the cinema capabilities of the R5 II. I was thinking on buying a Sigma fp but MAYBE the R5 II is better. I'm eagerly waiting for people to have the R5 II and compare it with the Sigma fp or other cinema like cameras. To me the marketing doesn't matter, what matters is the end result taken with the equipment and the price. Years ago I thought "Surely Canon will make one mirrorless camera one day that will be better than any other brand, I'll wait" and it seems this R5 II is the peak of what is possible for Canon, and that's a little dissapointing. I'm even thinking on researching other brands, like Sony (I puked a little by writting this, God forgive me).
As a Nikon shooter , it's a wow camera because of it's AF that looks powerful , far better than what I have with the Z9, I'd say the R5 OG was on par with the Z9 , now the R5 II left it behind. The rest of the specs seem very similar to the Z8. It does Leave me a bit jealous , but hey I have a Z9 II to look forward to :) it's an ongoing race. I had a point in time when I sold my Fuji gear and I could switch to any of the big 3 , I went with Nikon this round.
I think the Z8 II and Z9 II will address this. Nikon did a great job with the Z8 and Z9. I'm looking forward to seeing how the new autofocus not he R5 II is when I get the camera.
I own both z8 and z9, and yes I love the color straight out of camera but for me the r5ii will beat the Nikon's. Nikon's z8 z9 suffer from grain at low ISO and horrible dynamic and terrible shooting experience along with sub par auto focus.(worst evf ever which is why the battery life is is good) and I live in Miami and ive had the Z8 overheat on me 3 times shooting photography. From me, testing the r5 ii on sat I see a camera that's just as fast as the z8 z9 way better ISO way better dynamic range, better auto focus and amazing shooting experience!
The full Canon R5ii product manual came out today! FINALLY, we have official specs and real-world limitations. Everyone should look at it for themselves, but I have to say that, overall, I'm underwhelmed. I'm a stills shooter and I don't shoot sports. For me, there is very little new (3 features) that I would ever use. Eye control AF is very cool. I've used it in the R3. But is it worth the $2,300 cost to upgrade? Not really. I ordered three R5ii's and I've already canceled two. Seriously considering canceling the last one. The original R5 is an awesome camera for stills.
Yep. Just read through it Bill. I'm scripting a video to cover some points. That AF is something I am looking forward to, as well as the new video codecs/
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Simon, it appears that the manual is not complete yet. Some of the links go nowhere and others have placeholder pages. But it's a start. It's a little troubling that the manual isn't farther along by now.
That's correct. As I mentioned in the video, the camera is in preproduction and as they update the firmware, they will update the manual. I expect it to be polished by shipment with issues fixed and a downloadable PDF version.
Simon, whenever you’re ready to try some Sony Gear, I’m in Mississauga and will gladly lend you some GM’s to try and maybe compare the R5ii to the A7Siv once it’s released
Perhaps we can meet up one weekend. I have shot with the A7S3 - love the camera. Looking forward to the a7S4. Are you ever in the Newmarket / Aurora area?
Can we say that the R1 will be almost equal in videoquality, like the C400 just without shutter angle and without a lot of the professional connections. But it is a 6K-RAW-LT 60fps body with a better AF than the C400 and I guess it is not overheating. This would make it to a Baby C400 and having also a very good foto camera. Because the R5MKII is overheating in the best video mode, it is not the flagship for me. It is also worse in low light, in rolling shutter and in the AF as it is without the cross pixel AF. So from the video side, the R1 is the best canon for me. For the same price, I would prefer it over the R5 MKII.
I currently shoot M4/3... Lumix. While the R5MII is a step up from R5.... it's not a $1400 step up. And certainly not worth a complete ecosystem change. $4300 fro camera, $400 for cooling grip, $80 a pop for new batteries, and of course Canon's famous "attitude" toward 3rd party lens manufacturers. Not buying the recent talks about that last topic either. Will wait for Sony's "WOW camera" and likely go that route...
Most of us don't change ecosystems when the competition comes out with a good camera. We just clap and wait to see the updates in our own ecosystem ;) Its too expensive for most of us to change all the time.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Agreed... however, the marketshare shifts are showing that there is an increasing trend of just that. Which is why I am saying, as a video centric user, the R5MII misses the mark.... moreso in price and closed lens manufacturing, than features. For instance, if Sony releases a similar priced/feature set A7S4... then it may have the advantage. And with Panasonic and Nikon offerings far lowerer... it leaves room for their next "WOW" camera to dome in at a lower price with greater capabilities...
I've shot solely with an EOS 50D the last 16 years, and decided the R5ii would be the next chapter in my photography career and pre-ordered it. Coming from such an ancient camera, the "wow" factor will be especially pronounced for my particular cases. Now why the R5ii instead of a cheaper/older model? Because I plan on owning this piece of kit for the next 16 years and want something that'll handle my needs long into the future. I'm one of those that likes to order Day 1 and drive it into the ground. It'll take a while to eventually migrate all my glass to RF. The RF/EF adapter will do in the meantime.
I would not use the term wow, instead I would use the term overwhelmed or drinking from the firehose. I went from the 70D to the R5 MK1, and it took me a good 8 months to level up. I'm still learning, but at least feel comfortable with it. You'll grow to love the camera, but be prepared for a learning curve. It's like going from a Toyota Camry to a Corvette. The EF ro RF adapter works perfectly. I never had any issues at all.
90% of this video is talking about video performance, so that speaks for itself. For most stills shooters, it’s not really worth the upgrade. Video shooters, maybe.
For me it will be a wow camera because I currently shoot canon 5d Mrk 3 and Sony a6000 so I I get R5 Mrk 2 today it will be a wow camera for me. Because cameras in Africa especially in Ghana 🇬🇭 are expensive
I do not know how to define a WOW camera, but let's just look at some of the improvements vs. the R5: 1) Fully stacked BSI sensor with maximum flash sync speed 1/200 sec in electronic shutter (ES) mode. 2) At 20 fps in ES mode with RAW precapture enabled one should have a solid 4 sec buffer (or possibly even more). My R3 at 30 fps has no pre-capture and a maximum buffer of 5 sec at 30 fps. 3) Fully 14-bit RAW readout at high-speed. The original R5 was 12-bit RAW. 4) Dramatically, improved AF acquisition and tracking compared to R5 5) Eye-Control AF with 60 calculations / sec for better accuracy; no Eye-Control AF on R5 6) 30 fps maximum frame rate vs. 20 fps 7) Adjustable frame rates in electronic shutter mode; not possible with R5 8) Pre-capture RAW for 0.5 sec that writes individual files; this is a huge addition. 9) Digital hot shoe which was not available on R5 10) Locking cover on hot shoe so it does not fall off I did purchase the R5, but ended up returning it due to its limitations. IMO The R5 Mk2 eliminates the limitations as a photographer. I purchased the R5 Mk2.
@@joachimreiner7924 For stills, I agree, but issues like rolling shutter and not-great dynamic range and codecs (for starters) make them severely dated for video shooters today. It's still a neat hack to use cameras like these if you are on a super-tight budget, however.👍🏻
The 4K oversampling issue may be a processor and heat limitation. It takes a lot of power to oversample 8K to 4K. That's why cameras with better image quality usually have far fewer megapixels.
It’s the same with the CF Type A and Type B argument. It appears that all bodies (including pre production R1) have a limitation of the raw processing pipeline no faster than 600ish MB/s. The A9iii and R1 seem to have the same buffer capacity and limitations while one is 24 MP 120 fps and the other is 24 MP 40 fps. So in reality maybe that is why none of them utilized 4.0 chipsets because it would just add cost and not add any real world speed benefit. I could be wrong and we won’t know until production R1’s are in the wild and tested but it begs to wonder if the processing power and heat generation are what limit the processing speeds which are the bottleneck in todays cameras and not the cards themselves.
After the release of the R5ii and R1 it's become obvious that the preview to youtubers event was a total fiasco with two cameras to look at in just a couple of hours hands-on time. It's like these products were more unfinished than any other pre-production camera ever! including the documentation. A total breakdown in communications and an unprofessional mess. Not what you would expect from Canon. You can only hope that the production versions appear on time and without issues.
Thanks for this overview. It’s been really helpful. Shooting events, portraits and family vacations on my R5+RF 28-70. I use video for short handheld clips and home recordings, no sports or obscured subjects. The R5 mark 2 has some benefits, like upgraded autofocus, eye focus, pre-continuous shooting and reduced IBIS wobble. Not enough to justify a $4300 purchase. But a $2000-$2500 upgrade if I trade in? That’s something I’ll think about in the coming weeks. I’d also want to hold it in my hands and try out. I’ve made body and lens decisions in the past based on this (eg, 6D Mark 2 over 70D, EFS 17-55 over EF 50 1.4). When I’m no longer watching UA-cam, and am alone with the camera and the moment, I need to be perfectly happy with my setup. The rest really doesn’t matter
The R5 refurbs sell for around US$2,199. That should help give you a price estimate. With all the pre sales, it might be a challenge to get the best price now, but I'd expect close to $2000 for the R5 MK1.
It's only possible to use eye and face detection in video mode with the A1 using touch tracking. The autofocus of the original R5 was far superior to the Sony A1!
It's a very nice camera but not nearly enough new features and capabilities over the R5I to put it into the category of a "wow camera", particularly when you consider the price increase. Let's hope forthcoming firmware updates will get it closer to "wow".
I don't have an opinion yet. I am waiting for people to have the R5 MK II in their hands to compare against the R5c before I make a decision on R5 MK II vs R5c. For Canon cameras I currently have an R6, R50, 70d, 50d (IR Modded), Digital Rebel XT, & Elan7.
I agree with you I think the R52 is a good update BUT it’s only an upgrade for those of us that shoot a lot of video. Most people are primarily photographers and I can see some benefits for photographers that shoot sports action and wildlife but for any other type of photography work the R52 offers very little advancement for the price. I would not say it is a wow camera but more of good incremental update camera that addressed a lot of the issues with the mark 1. I think that’s where a lot of the disappointment comes from. If I wasn’t making UA-cam content I probably would have skipped the R52 and waited till 2028 to get the R53.
For the stills shooter there is the stacked bsi sensor, 14 bit Raw all the up to 30 fps, improved faster AF, pre-capture, improved readout from 16ms to 6ms, improved brighter viewfinder. It's not just for video ;)
In fact here is all about, or mostly, about video capability. Well people , canon have video cameras, very good , take them for video and be professional.
Everyone's needs are different. Interestingly, my final decision was R5 ---> A7RV instead of upgrading to the R5II. I am primarily a stills shooter, who has very little need for the improved video specs of the R5II. Factors that influence my decision are: cost, flip/tilt LCD, better object tracking (perhaps fixed now in R5II), battery usage, and range of lens options. I took advantage of some great Sony/B&H discounts that expired yesterday and new A7RV is on its way.
I think people are spot on when they label the R5ii a 'beta' version. It clearly was not ready for launch - incredible given they have had four years or more to bring it to market. This was a curious launch of the two best mirrorless cameras Canon can produce in what is a highly competitive sector. The content creators invited to the Phoenix Arizona launch event (e.g Petapixel) were given about two hours shooting time on the two cameras after time spent on travel and lunch. And to split the time between the R5ii and the R1 meant an absurdly limited time on each. Shooting was pretty much confined to shooting sports in a poorly lit indoor stadium because it was 100 degrees fahrenheit outside - who'd have thought? Seems someone at Canon forgot to check the weather forecast for Phoenix in July. Strange setting for a camera (R5ii) which is not principally a sports photography body. Which highlights the other curious part about this launch - combining the R5ii general purpose body and the sports centric R1 in the same launch event. Nothing more needs be said about whether the R1 is rightly described as a flagship camera body given, on many levels, it fails to match what Sony's 4 and a half year old A1 can deliver. Whatever Canon's reasoning here, clearly both cameras need further firmware development.
That's evident from the reviews, the lack of detail or analysis. One review even had a beta unit in hand. I hope the R5 II is further along in development than the R5 I was... The limited time in hand is what you want when you don't want people to dig too deep ;)
I see Canon like Apple. The R5mii is an outstanding camera. But to non Apple or Canon enthusiasts, getting options that have been out in other Cameras for years now at a premium price appears disappointing. Meanwhile the die hard Canon users who don’t care about the other brands are rejoicing to finally get those features. There’s literally a commenter below that has a full size HDMI as one of the reasons to upgrade. Sure this is an improvement to the RRmii but it has also been out on cheaper cameras 4-5 years ago.
And as a Canon shooters, I'm happy to see those capabilities finally coming to Canon. I love competition for this very reason, keeps each company on their toes. However, the AF in this camera might prove to be significant.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Keyword finally. But I agree competition is good. I think Sony slowed their innovation and is currently resting which I don't like. As far as autofocus when it comes to those specific 3 sports I think it's significant. Sony however has already dropped their AI autofocus down to even cheaper $2,000 cameras. I think its a great talking point for Canon but the vast majority of people aren't shooting basketball, volleyball and soccer.
R6II has oversampled 4k60, which is a very important format today. R5II seems to feature 4k60 line skipped only (!), but with clog2. A 'wow' video camera would be more like a R6III, with oversampled 4k60 AND clog2, and this without need for a noisy fan.
I never ever use lock switch or button at all. I don’t like when the off/on switch exchange to photo/video. I customized a button that near the shutter to be photo/video.
Without shutter angle the R1 is essentially disqualified as an option for serious filmmaking. Honestly, looking at both these cameras I'm realising the cripple hammer has been very busy carefully segmenting features to assure that filmmakers will have to choose a C400 (or R5C), and pro photographers will need an R1. As a hybrid, the R5 Mark ii is a strategically crippled option for either use case. I'd say this is a great time to explore Nikon and Sony now that Canon is up to their old tricks.
Yes I’m a still shooter and shoot video sometimes. When I do shoot video we are just shooting 1080. I was really looking forward to this camera to offer something amazing for stills shooters. JMO but I’ll skip this one.
There's no doubt the mkII is a better camera. I think the disappointment, is that the original R5 was already very good, and being the same resolution, in most case scenarios, the output from both cameras is going to look very similar, or identical. That it's only for more particular needs, that the faster read-out, pre-shooting, better AF, video capabilities, is going to make a difference. However, if you take a particular case scenario, like say, birds in flight, theoretically, the mkII should be better. But the original R5 had one of the fastest readouts from a non-stacked sensor, it does shoot at 20fps and the AF is pretty good. So if you shot them side by side you'd probably get similar results, except in particular instances where the original R5 had more rolling shutter, and the fps made a difference, or the pre-shooting. In other words, the mkII is the better camera, but a lot of the time, it isn't going to get you noticeably different results. I think we're going to increasingly see this. I mean the R5 was a quantum leap ahead of the 5D mkIV on many levels. But the top mirrorless cameras are reaching a level, where they will get better, but a lot of time, will not be noticeably better than their predecessors, in either handling, use or output.
Many experts say the future is video not stills. If you look at the R5 with that knowledge then this camera totally makes sense. My impression is that many cons are from stills photographers and yes, there are not so many arguments for switching from a R5 to the R5 II in that area. Personally I like the eye controlled autofocus. I shoot wildlife and planes, currently with a R6 Mark I and a R7. So I hope this will be a huge step forward for me. However I am still thinking whether this step is worth the money. There is also the option for me to invest the money in an R6 Mark III (when it appears, which it will at some time) and a RF 200-800 (which is currently also not available in stores here). So maybe waiting and deciding later is the best option. If the R5 II is available in August then most of the season is over. No need to hurry. I also like the faster readout speed but I also understand that faster readout means higher noise. So we have to wait for some real world tests and comparisons. My disappointments with the R5 II are easily told: 1.) Why was the HighRes-Mode removed? My expactation was that a R5 II would have an improved HighRes-Mode. AI upscaling is NOT an alternative. For example: Never ever will an AI create readable text with upscaling from an unreadable source. If you photograph a church from the inside with most details possible, then you do not want hallucinations from an AI. HighRes is about facts and reality not dreaming. Yes, maybe this will come with a firmware update as it did in the R5. However Canons firmware policy was always erratic and so I cannot rely on an assumption. Yes, HighRes has problems with moving subjects but other modes like HDR or panorama have this too. So this is not an argument. 2.) There are still no custom buttons! HEY CANON! A camera today is different from the ancient chemical film times. Today a camera has a gazillion of options and settings which sometimes must be switched over in a fraction of a second. I use backbutton focus - for good reasons. There is a back button for triggering the autofocus. Ok. But sometimes I need eye autofocus and if the camera does not detect the subject I need to instantly switch over to standard autofocus with autofocus fields. So I need two buttons, one for each autofocus mode. Good news: The camera supports the mapping of these functions to buttons. So it is possible to implement this. The bad news: You have to dispense the function of a standard button for this. I mapped one function on my R6 and R7 to the metering button which means - I have no button for metering any more. You can talk as much to a Canon Rep as you want: CANON DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THIS! Think of the face priority autofocus in a fast changing situation. You have to decide whether you need the focus on the programmed subject or on something / someone totally different. WHAT IS SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND that there is a real world need for some custom buttons? Some add ons for the Canon Reps reading this article: 3.) If you want to step in into computational assisted photography, then there are better functions than AI upscaling or AI denoise, like a) HighRes-Mode b) live ND filters c) improve the RAW-Burst Mode so that it automatically stores the images when a configurable amount of the image changes. For example let the camera constantly take pictures from a lightning but when flash happens then store the image plus an adjustable number of images before and another adjustable number of images after the event (for video change number to seconds, for video think also of slow motion and time lapse events). Think of geysers, vulcanos, explosions, etc. for this function. d) Why do I have to use an app for calculating the hyperfocal distance? The camera knows all it needs for that. I just want to call a menu: "focus to the hyperfocal distance when pressing focus button". e) Why is "save configuration to card" and reloading not a standard function an all Canon cameras? This function is so rediculous simple it is unbelievable that this is only available to cameras with a price tag of some thousand Dollars or Euros. f) When shooting birds or planes esp. with the RF 2x extender the autofocus often has big problems and is also slow. There are technical reasons for that, which I understand. I can set a distance limiter of 3m to infinity on the RF 100-500. However I would like to set the distance to arbitrary from and to values in the camera. If I should planes I can set this to from 1km to infinity and the camera would not have big problems. If I shoot wildlife in a certain distance I may set it to from 30 m to 50 m. Again, this function should be very easy to implement. Last words: I use Canon gear and I have no plans to switch. This post might sound like I am unhappy with Canon but I am not. I expressed my concerns and whishes and naturaly this gives focus to some criticism. However I would not own so much Canon gear if I would be unsattisfied. Looking forward to a much brighter future with even better Canon gear!
I clicked on the pre-order link to check the price of an R5 Mark II for me here in the UK. As expected, it was $4,299 at B&H. But wait, it also said, "shipping restriction: no shipping to United Kingdom". So, what if I still want to buy one here in the UK? Using the "find a retailer" link from Canon's UK website, the various retailers want £5749 for it. For those in the US, that's $7425! Jeepers, 73% more! More than the R1! Much more! That settles it for me then: I certainly won't buy it now, maybe not ever. I might check the grey market prices in a year or two, or consider other options. I'm certainly not burning through that kind of money for an incremental upgrade.
Given no resolution increase, I was hoping for a more robust ibis based high megapixel uprez w raw output. That feature appears to have been abandoned in favor of AI invention, which again, may be better done in post with desktop software. When I tested the current version w my R5 ibis uprez vs the Adobe double rez from raw and merely upscaling in Photoshop from a single raw exposure, it seemed like there was insignificant differences.
You can talk yourself into anything. But after 4 years there have only been various improvements and zero innovations. Where has the master of it all gone?
This weekend I did some panning while photographing a falcon flying against a building, with the electronic shutter on the R5. All the straight lines on the building were really slanted. I was quite surprised, as it was almost as bad as the R7. Hopefully the same scenario will be much less distorted on the Mark II.
I ordered both the R5II and R1 - I shoot sports and often crop or use the crop factor which is why I might keep the R5II as I love the versatility of the 100-300mm 2.8, but I think I might benefit more with the R1 for the extra auto-focus capabilities... we'll see... but until I actually have them in hand it's really hard to know which one works best for ME - so I might have an R5II for sale in November... maybe not. I don't find the R5II to be such a big WOW update other than the autofocus cause I don't use video much... reason why I would prefer R1 - but the R1 isn't a big WOW either - it would have been having 45MP+ and it would have a better chance to compete with the others... The main reason I am buying a new camera is because my R5 is getting up there in mileage and want a bit more for the next 4 years... not because of WOW.
This is an almost perfect hybrid ! Haters gonna hate 😂 shoo shoo 😅 …. My only complaints is the non 4 axis tilt screen , the air vents and the higher price tag 😂 , the one that is disappointing is the R1 ( which in real world is nothing more than just the R3mk2 😅 ) …
I’ve been wanting to give my own take on this camera. I’m no “professional” but I like to put out my thoughts to prompt discussion… maybe I will. I don’t think I’d call this OR the R1 a “wow camera” but that’s coming from someone who owns an R5c already.
After thinking about it (for about 3 hours 😂), I decided to upgrade from the R5 to the R5 II. I'm a bird photographer as well as a shooter of landscapes. The greater FPS, improved AF, and less rolling shutter are very important to me. I don't care about 8K video but slo-mo with sound should be great for B-roll. Wave forms are also very attractive. I just wish it were only $4K or so.
@@Davitor1 the demand will likely outstrip the supply. People are still awaiting the RF 200-800 who ordered it last year! Plus, if the administration changes and they impose import tariffs, the R5 II will become unaffordable. So I'm striking now and hope to actually get it by Christmas.
The R5m2 is or isn’t a wow camera depending on what you shoot. Being more of a photographer than a videographer, I preordered one for the additional speed and autofocus improvements. I also expect the raw files to have improved dynamic range over the R5 based on Canon’s willingness to include CLOG2. The biggest letdown for me was that the sensor real out speed appears to be slower than it’s direct competitor, the Nikon Z8, which has been out for a year and a half. Having an engineering background, the biggest wow for me is the inclusion of the same data handling pipeline as the R1. No cripple hammer there… 🤷🏻♂️
I am primarily a wildlife photographer with a lots of glass and 2 R5s ..I do some video but it's secondary to stills .. I am watching with interest as we get full production model reviews. I am most interested in seeing if it will stay on a bird in flight as it passes from a sky background to a treed background without jumping to the background. I would like less rolling shutter but get around that with 1st curtain. 30 fps would be nice but I don't need it. Precapture with a fixed .5 second is ah well too many images for my taste. I would love to have c log 2 but it's not enough to move me. I'm not pleased with the addition of a video switch in place of the on off switch. I prefer using the MFN button and not taking my eye off the viewfinder to switch between video modes and stills. I'm usually hand holding a 600 F4 and trying to get to that switch on my r62 was a nightmare so much so I dumped the camera and got a second R5.
I shoot with the r5. If the r5m2 has significantly reduced rolling shutter and the AF system of the r7, then it will indeed be a wow camera for me, someone who loves to shoot fast small birds moving in flight. I can understand how those who don’t do this type of photography may feel the r5m2 doesn’t do much new for them. But for me, 30 fps 14-bit raw files is just killer. Other than not being in a r3 body, the r5m2 is exactly (well, apart from having 2 cf-e cards) what I want. Canon would probably want another $1000 for me to get exactly what I want. I can live just fine with what I will get. I will be talking short video clips in the field and will buy the fan grip only if needed. I do use the normal grip. I am not clear on whether I will get 4k fine at 60 and 120 fps. They would be wise to put at least one of those in the camera.
Hi! I will definitely be buying this camera. With the new features it offers makes this a camera to last 10 years and still be competitive. If we look at the original Sony a9, it’s still very capable today, 7 years after it has been launched. Or look at the 1DX ii, 8 years after and it’s still a great camera. However, I think that people are being unreasonable in their complaints, it comes to a point where, nothing Canon does is of any good… if there’s no cooling grip people complain, if they make a cooling grip people complain that now they have to buy one. They will never be happy. I honestly think that bashing Canon has become a trend and we’ve seen this with other companies: Intel, Microsoft, Pentax, OM systems and even Apple recently. But it’s also the companies fault to sleep under the shadow of their achievements, a lot of unable people reach positions of power when things are rolling and then plunge everything down the drain with their incompetence. I think Canon is being plagued by this, they need to “clean the locker room” and rebuild their brand. I mean, this Arizona event was a marketing disaster anyway you slice it and what was it for? The canon R1 and R5ii no less.. Anyway, those are my takes on all this. All best
Generally, there is not much of a driver to upgrade version to version. Its been that way forever. Many 5D shooters skipped the II, then bough the III and skipped the IV....for example. The R5II seems to actually be a much bigger upgrade than average. Stacked sensor, and the amazing AF tracking modes, plus cooling. I don't know if I'll upgrade yet or not, but am not surprised many are on the fence like me. What would it have had to be to be WOW? All the speculation on the internet just builds baseless hopes and expectations.
It’s missing some basic features that the 5D Mk IV has. In particular internal GPS. This is critical for location-based photography which cannot always rely on the connection to a phone. Especially since the battery life is so poor you constantly have to turn it off, losing the connection. The screen articulation is also not improved, that back screen is atrocious for photographers.
You make some good points in favor of “wow” but I wish it had open gate for anamorphic. Having a few more codecs like pro res would be nice and having the 8k oversampled when shooting in 4k up to 60 would be great. Im still waiting for production models and people testing the camera in “real world” It’s a good camera but just a touch out of reach on cost. A sale to 3899-3999 would be a little better overall. L
Thank you very much. With "World Unseen", Canon was reaching out to people with a visual impairment by showing the world what these people can make, despite of their handicap. I really hope that Canon will actively do something about providing (extra) display options that can be used by older people and photographers with an impairment. I am a wildlife photographer and willing to replace my 90D and a hoodloupe with an R system camera. The text display in the current R7, R6 mark II and R5 are just out of reach. I think that Larger Text Size, Help Text Size and Text Contrast options could be added to the menu and Info settings. One might also think of a switch that temporarily removes the transparency of text in the viewfinder if not available yet. All features that would make photography more enjoyable to those who struggle with readability, while not ennoying others. It could become a marketing strategy. Could you reach out to Canon and others about this?
@ordinaryfilmmaker You were not able to see in the Canon documentation that if the camera is able to do 4K HQ upto what frame rate and the boxes were blank because you were looking at movie croping mode table, please scroll little bit down and you will see the main movie recording table where it has sadly mentioned that the camera is able ta record 4K HQ upto 30 fps.
4K 60 fine will be the dealbreaker for me as a wedding photographer and videographer it’s the lack of over sampled 4k 60 on the r5 mk1 is why I still use my r6 mk2 more when doing hybrid coverage
I have 5d mark Iv when I started shooting wildlife I notice that the AF is not good in tracking specially subject coming towards you and FPS is not enough but very good file size 30.4 mp and excellent in handling noise in very high ISO. then I upgrade into Canon R5 I could say its very good in tracking flying birds going sideways but a bit striving in focusing when subject coming towards you. Then the problem overheating and lugging etc.returned it and got a replacement but can't focused so end up sending it back.. The problem of the R5 II is too much "add ons" "gimmicks" faces input, eye tracking, noise reduction, enlarge file size, I'll buy this camera if it has Dual CF, the AF is perfect, heat dissipation is great but not sure on the battery grip probably rain water or dust could get into they could have put the window at the back because our body or face could black those incoming winds or water if shooting landscapes or etc. and "THE PRICE" of course. I always know that they can make better camera when it's in IV so R5 IV.
I sold my r5 a while ago thinking I would get a R1 when it came out. In the meantime I have been using a Z8 which is a fabulous camera for the price. I mainly shoot birds and Nikon has some amazing telephoto primes that are 1/3 the price of Canon. Now that Canon has released the R5ii and R1, I have to say I am not really Wowed by either. The R5 II looks to be the better overall camera, but 2 different card slots and non-pro body coming in at $4200 puts it close to a pro camera( Z9 , A1, or even R1). The R5 ii is quite more expensive than a A7Rv, Z8, Z6iii, or the current r5 and they are all awesome cameras. The stack sensor in an R5 is awesome, but is OLD tech now that we have global shutters and HYBRID shutters (z6ii). I expect a flood of cameras in coming months from Sony and Nikon that will offer even more wow for the money. The r5 ii will eventually drop in price when other cameras arrive, so perhaps I will get it then, but for now I am holding off on a Canon Purchase.
I am an R5 user since 2020 and shoot primarily landscape. I have never shot any video. So to me, unless the formal reviews of the production camera show measurable improvements in dynamic range and noise for stills, I am considering bypassing this model. I do shoot a little bit of wildlife, and at some point in the future perhaps grandchildren to document, where the video might finally get used. I do like shooting nightscape, so I was excited about the lighted buttons, but I have only seen that with regard to the R1 and not on the R5. Simon - do you know if the R5 Mk II has any lighted buttons or not? So all in all not a WOW camera upgrade for the type of shooting I do, unfortunately.
If you can buy a used R5 for $2100... then consider you can sell yours for that.... then that means these features you are describing cost you $4300 - $2100... $2200 Will you pay that for a full size HDMI, updated Autofocus, and the other features you mentioned? That's more than some manufacturers are selling their entire camera for....
I might get a lot of stick for this. I've been waiting to upgrade my very old, APS-C, EOS M5. I'm prepared to go to Nikon, and possibly Sony, but would have liked to stay with Canon. My camera is leagues behind modern cameras. In fact, modern ones are all so good, that anything would be such a wild upgrade that usability is a major distinguishing factor for myself - and the flippy vlogger type screen is such a no for me and street, nature and event photography (all just amateur). Before anybody suggests such, having a tilty screen (or ideally a combo like the A7RV) has nothing to do with being stealthy (I'm also quite comfortable asking people for their photo); it's just so, so much quicker to snap out for a sudden opportunity, with the screen in line with the lens, and in line with my face. For me, it's 90% of my eyes for the shot, and that's something I want to feel right, above a lot of other things. I often shoot lower down, and the vlogger screen is a massive, massive turn off. I was so deeply hoping for some time like the A7RV or even the Z8.
If Canon can also this year release a Stacked Sensor R7ii with the same stacked sensor TECH as the R1/R5ii, Canon will have an unmatched trifecta of cameras. Plus they already have the unmatched option of the 200 800mm Lens.
Current equipment? R5 only for wildlife, only EF adapted lenses with polarizer or variable ND filter. Mainly 4K 30P HQ or 120P. Wow camera R5 II? Unclear: 1. 4K 60P HQ downsampled from 8k? 2. Eye controlled AF also in video mode? 3. AF cases gone as in photo mode? 4. Real progress in the video animal detection also when the action stops? Clearly no wow camera: 6. Overheating period (22 minutes even with the active cooling grip?) in 120P is much too short for wildlife! I often wait longer for the first real vaulable action shot - and the overheating starts in standby, not only in recording! 7. 4K 120P without HQ downsampling from 8K. 8. 240P in Full HD instead of 4K
That's just me, Canon leaked a lot of rumours concerning the R5 II and R1. Fans had high expectations, sadly the Balloon didn't fly.. Especially for the R3 II AkA flagship.
The R5 when released had much backlash on the internet. A year later one of the most popular if not the most popular mid mirrorless. Nobody has spent over a day with the R5II non of which had version 1.0 firmware installed. Most reviewers admitted to not having enough time to intelligently make an analysis of all the cameras modes. So here we are watching people talk about a device that they have not used, laid their hands on, and many have never seen in person. Yet claim to be making consequential purchasing decision. Many are trying to basically pursuade others from purchasing something that maybe they cannot. Something young children often do. Happened with all the 5D cameras too. And we know how all that turned out in the long run. The most sold midlevel DSLR ever. The R5II is a serious upgrade to the R5 in ALL modes. At minimum its nearly a 20% increase in performance. Simply because it has a stacked sensor. Lots of headroom.
I've never touched the red button so . . . video capabilities don't matter to me. That said, if you're a stills shooter and shoot volleyball, basketball, or soccer, it's a WOW! camera. For all other stills shooters, the jury is still out. I don't shoot the three WOW sports. I'm reserving judgment until I've shot it back-to-back with my R5.
As an R5 shooter, I do not feel that the R5 Mark II is a 'wow' camera - at least based on the specifications vs my use. I did not expect a wow camera, however. Mirrorless technology is very mature, and for the most part we are back in the DSLR days where new releases are mostly incremental in nature. I will purchase the Mark II, but not with the urgency with which I jumped at the R5 as the R5 still exceeds my requirements. The only thing that disappoints me about this camera to an important degree is the price. As a stills only shooter I feel abandoned by all manufacturers. An awful lot of video tech is being pushed into these cameras which comes at a cost and is of no benefit. At least to me.
It's important to note that your readout speed source is incorrect. I've sent Bryan an email for that. Canon USA and Japan both list the readout speed as 40% faster than the R5. That would be 16.3ms down to 9.7ms, not down to 6.3ms. While that difference is small, it would be significant in my mind. I think the confusion comes from some sources claiming it's 60% better that the original instead of 40%.
@OrdinaryFilmmaker I'm hoping so, but this one thing has annoyed me. Effectively, if correct, 10ms is the slowest full frame stacked sensor ever created, not counting the marketing BS on the Z6III. This bugs me. This will be slower than almost every stacked sensor on the market, only beating the Olympus and marketing claims of the partially stacked Z6III. However, Canon is charging a premium for the second-rate readout. The good news... I haven't seen anything in the way of rolling shutter yet. It's almost as if it really is reading out at 6.3ms. Information-wise, this has been the worst release ever. Canon USA still has misrepresented specs on its R5 page that appear to be a mixture of R1 and R5II specs. The advistisement specs look good, but the detailed specs are a mess. I haven't checked the Canon Canada page, but I think the most accurate page was the Japanese page. It has more info and appears to be accurate.
I’d say to answer the question of whether this is a “wow” camera we’d have to start by defining what makes a camera a “wow” camera. In my opinion, a “wow” camera is something that surprises you; something that greatly exceeds expectations and something that provides new features not available elsewhere in the marketplace. Clog2 has been around since 2018 or so, it is nothing new and easy to come by. Putting it in the MkII doesn’t make it wow, it makes an “well it’s about time” camera, same for the full size HDMI port, in fact most everything you list (most, not all) are features that should have already been, aren’t now and certainly don’t surprise anyone. In fact many should be in a firmware update not a new camera.
I get the sense when you say “wow”, you mean they finally fixed things that shouldn’t have been an issue in the first place. So before we can even begin to discuss a “wow” camera we need an agreement on what makes a “wow” camera. If I want all these features I could buy a Z8 that’s a year old and have 90% of them, consequently I’m not going to say “wow” just because Canon finally caught up and are now “only” a year behind Nikon and Sony.
That’s “my” opinion (“wow” that’s a lot of double quotes😂)
The R5ii has the fastest focusing system available along with eye tracking functionality and 16 stops of dynamic range. Yea that’s a BIG WOW! for me with no need to double quote.
@@Davitor1 Sony: "hold my AF button". LOL Canon's AF is OK. They are a little behind.
Couldn't agree more.
This camera is a Sony a1 but $2k cheaper. It should have more dynamic range than either the z8 or the a1. The r3 already has better dynamic range and the r5ii supposedly bests the r3 dynamic range.
@@FraterABYA so if you happy with Sony why do you waste your time looking at Canon. I own the R5 and would never waste my time talking about Sony.
I think better dynamic range, lower noise and improved focus detection are most important as we are keeping the same resolution
Yes totally agree. I would rather have that then the difference of 30-60 or 120 fps that may be great but not for all of us!!! Better images is what is important
People judge a camera when only a few yotubers have had just a few hours to test it
@@edualapont A good point.
maybe because those youtubers (some not all) for years have given in depth, comprehensive insights and reviews on cameras pros and cons that are based on facts and experience and not blinded by brand loyalty. And a number have found these two cameras wanting. I was all set to order the R5ii until the ones I have been following for years all raised genuine issues that affect my style of photography. So yeah, I will pay attention when a respected and honest "UA-camr" raises some valid points.
I have my fingers crossed it is better than it looks atm
I have my fingers crossed it is better than it looks atm !! Hope for a firmware update and upgrade
Isn’t that exactly what this video is? I mean he doesn’t have the camera yet either…lol
Some don't understand that someone like myself has owned the AE1 first then upgraded to the original 5d so my new move was to purchase the new R52 for my 3rd camera of my life! So to some it's not a big step but keep in mind not everyone's move is the same. 3 cameras from 1977, the year i graduated to present day my new R52 at 65 years old, thanks Cannon, plus I still get to use my L lenses!
Nice I started with the AE1, then 7dII, 5dIV, now getting the r5ii
Is the AE1 still going?
Do you still have vintage FD lenses ?
You seem like someone that take great care of your kit
I started with a 7d and learned off that. When I decided to take the hobby more seriously and do some video I jumped to the R, then when the R6 came out with the video Eye AF I jumped to that, and finally to the R5 for the extra MP and features and as I started to realize the handicaps the R5 had, I decided to go back to the R6 and now I shoot sony lmao
It will take a bit f getting used to. You are going to see a huge difference. I went from he 70D to the R5 and it took me 8 months to get used to it ;)
Upgrading in few-and-far-between leaps is the smart way to go, especially with digital cameras, which depreciate almost as fast as EV's. Whilst I'm happy with my Canon lens collection, I have far too many bodies littered around the place. It's like a morgue.
From 5D to R5 Mk II will be a treat for you! Good timing.
The photo abilities of almost all full frame cams nowadays are exceptional. However, I think it's the video features of the R5II that make it the best hybrid you can buy right now.
The question for most photographers/videographers isn’t whether or not the R5 II or R1 are great cameras. They seem like they are. The question is whether or not they can produces images that photographers/videographers can’t with their current cameras in a practical sense.
....and Nikon will have the same issue trying to follow up the Z8/Z9
Full quality 14 bit RAW in electronic shutter is a win for me. Plus the R5 struggles on the wedding dance floor and hops all over the place. Will be nice to program in the bride as the primary subject!
There was NO "wow" factor, focus demos are always great, but when you have the camera, doesn't work as in the demos. Canon could do one of the following things for the next iteration if they want to have any wow factor and stop loosing clients: Global Shutter, DGO for 16+ stops dynamic range, and a RAW codec like PicoRaw. I'm thinking switching to Nikon for the Z6iii, it's RAW codec works great with Resolve, I never though I would say this, but Nikon is better now. (Edit: The switching will be painful, but Canon's disrespectful, predatory, usurious attitude and disdain for its clients, its quite evident).
1. What exactly are you doing that requires you to have a Global Shutter and 16 stops dynamic range?
2. What specifically is being shown in the demos that your camera does NOT have?
@@Davitor1 for number 1, i think it does not matter, people just love new tech, otherwise no one will pushing the technology forward. Before iPhone came, you might have asked "What exactly are you doing that requires you to use a touch screen with multi-touch".
@@Davitor1 1. With that logic, lets shoot a commercial using an iPhone 😂 the dynamic range of the EOS R5 is NOT competing with Sony and Nikon, it is NOT about me, it is about the other brands, same with global shutter.
2. "Look this cool demo, the focus snaps into the subject", then, you try to film anything, and the focus moves to anything that is closer to the camera 😂
@@RodrigoPolo thanks for demonstrating so eloquently 2 reasons why I would NEVER take advice from you.
@@jerrylee188 people are amused by new tech but unless it’s applicable and pertinent to they’re needs they’re not willing to accept it’s hefty price. Hence the cellphones is killing the camera industry in sales because the majority of people can get what they want from a PHONE 📱
Simon,
I think that you have made the argument that the R5 Mark II is a significant improvement over the R5 as a video camera and if you buy one of the battery grips for either vertical shooting or horizontal heat control when shooting at temps of 80 degrees and above outside. And let’s be honest you really need three extra p batteries to get some of those new features for a $5000 dollar price tag. I think that is a good value relative to the current hybrid cameras that are available. However, I think that the fact that here in the USA we can buy an R5 for $2400 brand new with a 1 year Canon USA warranty is very significant for us who primarily stills shooter. The wow factor is missing for us. I am not saying that it is a dud for us stills users but it does not make me want to spend twice the price of the R5 for the R5 Mark II. I think that we needed the sensor readout speed to be greater than 1/250s for rolling shutter control for electronic shutter not the 1/160s we got which was less than the R3 ‘s 1/180s. I appreciate the upgrades that were added but not for a $5k plus cost. Remember that in printing stills photography very few can actually print better than 8 stops and those require $3000 - $5000 printers with custom profiles and very expensive paper. I have saved the money to buy my next camera for my primarily stills photography. If I can’t figure this out as a 45 year Canon user, I bet others are struggling too. I’m glad for the video improvements but this camera is not one that is making me itchy to spend the money I saved for it. Maybe the answer will be the Sony A7 v or the A1 II which should be here anytime from this Fall or Next. I have been re-working my studio lighting for several years now and those are very costly relative to my Camera bodies. I am not happy with this offering from Canon and I think that they have disappointed me as a stills photographer with both the R1 and the R5 Mark II. They are improved camera bodies that are more focused towards video shooting and have fallen behind in sensor readout speed relative to the competition. Still they have improved what they used to do but…..
@@robertatwell7615 I’ve been shooting canon for the last 16 years I’m 44 and you are spot on, I also have been saving for a good upgrade and I don’t even have the R5 been making good money with the “R” believe it or not but also been upgrading my lenses I was happy to hear about the showing of this camera but I also know it’s a pre production model still tho to me that’s not far off and everything you said is on target it’s more of a video thing than stills and if you ask me the price should be 3899.00 in this economy at the moment it would’ve made more sense to me but that’s my opinion. I might just go with the R5 and yes it came out in 2000 but it’s still a awesome camera for what it does in stills and now the price is even better at 2400 or 2600 new.
The full HDMI, CLOG2, No Recording Limit, Waveforms and False Color is enough reason for me to upgrade!
No 4k 60 oversampling bro
No redundancy without the second CF express slot.
@@PhoenixIDGroup technically no recording limit with length of clip but Lok said it overheated on him in 40mins. PETA Pixel said Canon’s overheating guidance was 30mins for 4K 60 and that extended to 2hrs with the fan grip. But that obviously adds fan noise. Canon have said in an interview this is not an R5C replacement. It’s for quick shooting now and then.
And having that IBIS wobble reduced as well, then there is the new AF system... ;)
As a non Canon shooter saying a full size HDMI is a reason for upgrade is wild. The A7siii had that back in 2020 and the A7iv had it back in 2021 and was $2500. The fact that Canon users think that is an upgrade in 2024 on a $4300 camera highlights the differences of other shooters.
Sensor read out speed is very very low for a Stacked sensor. There's simply no excuse having had all the time to bring something that matches the competition, leave along surpass them
I won't be upgrading my R5. I went for Nikon Z6iii instead. I will continue using R5 for stills and z6iii for video.
Does that mean you had to invest in new lenses, too?
@@lka968canon lenses are easy to sell, everyone is jumping to canon right?
I had a hell of a time selling my RF glass because for the last 2 years all the RF glass was continuously on sale.
Sucks but I found for my needs the A7iv and GM glass fit the bill.
As a long time canon shooter, I shouldn’t have followed the hype and assessed my options before jumping from DSLR straight into RF. To each their own. If Nikon makes him happy, let the man be
@@lka968 adapter
How do you find the Z6 III compared to the R5?
@@lka968 I use Fuji and Nikon. Nikon is my main body. When shooting (2)brands you tend to lean one way as your main. The other camera tends to only need 1 or 2 lenses for the work you need it to do.
The R52 has some great tech but video wise it’s a downgrade from the R5C. All it's video modes but one are line skipped.
They just added wave forms and false colour to the photo OS. It doesn’t have CineOS.
It has a higher capacity battery but we don’t yet know how long it lasts.
We know it overheats. PETA Pixel said 8K 24p gets 30 mins and with the $600 cooling grip it extends that time to 2hrs. The cooling grip also adds fan noise to nearby mics.
Lok said 4K fine overheats in 40 mins.
It has HDMI out and the LCD stays on when an external monitor is connected but unsure yet if you have granular cine OS style control about what resolution the output is and if it’s clean or has a hud.
Also unsure if you can output to HDMI and record internally which was a thing you couldn’t do on the R5.
It has no Digital Telecine like the R5C and C70 which I find immensely useful.
It has clog2 but 16+ stops of dynamic range is ONLY in 4K fine 30p. It seems to vary in other modes.
No dual base ISO on the R52. No timecode. No shutter angle. Not Netflix certified.
4K 24/30 (non-Fine mode) 4k60, 4k120 and all 4K S-Raw modes are line-skipped. The R5C oversamples everything.
I’m not saying the R52 isn’t a great camera but If you bought an R5C because you needed cinema features nothing has changed as far as I can see.
If you bought an R5C and constantly moaned because it didn’t have clog2 or IBIS then the R52 is the one for you.
No lut support as well
@@RockyMaiviaMiamiLut support it has I think.
Did not know about the line-skipping. That is a severe letdown.
@@JohnSmith762A11B I mean in theory yes.. there was mention of a new line skipping method that has higher quality.. but it’s still not oversampled.. so we’ll have to wait till they are in the wild to see what it looks like.
Canon still releasing cameras that overheat? I have a feeling we’re going to see a wave of negative reviews this Autumn when more people actually get their hands on this one. 🤦🏽♂️
As I’ve mentioned before, I reviewed thousands of companies in my previous life, and I struggle to understand Canon’s strategy. Canon is a perplexing company. They seem to have a significant leadership issue.
In your previous life? did you reincarnate? ; )
@@Davitor1 Haha. I was in the corporate world and became a professional photographer and videographer after being diagnosed with autoimmune conditions. It wasn't possible to continue working in the corporate world. But I found when doing photography and videography, there was sufficient flexibility to work around my health issues. My life certainly pre-autoimmune certainly feels like a different life.
100000000% agree. The company must be run by goats and not the good kind.
Neither the R1, the R5ii or the recent VCM lenses are a letdown… but they do demonstrate that Canon is focussing on video and sport.
Me? I like lightweight street, travel, studio, portraiture. Mainly stills.
I have an R, R8 and a load of RF lenses. I also have a Sony a7cr and some nice small weather sealed primes.
Realisation for me is that Canon isn’t headed in the direction I want to go… so I’m planning to sell up.
I went from dslr to the R, R6, R5 and after realizing the R5 handicaps they made my R6 more suitable for my needs:
Cannot sustain 20 fps redundant because of the single CF Express.
Cannot record higher speed 4k 120, 8k redundant because of the single CF Express.
I finally made the switch to the A7iv when it was released and now waiting for the A1ii.
The R5ii has some nice new features but what good are they with a single CF Express slot for professionals who require redundancy.
Waveforms, false colour but my footage got corrupted and lost….
If it was a pricing decision, they should have scrapped the iris EVF and have it the second slot. Now we wait 4 more years for the R5iii lmao
With all the different battery grip options the R5ii has, you would really think they would take a page from the D850 and make a grip that allows the use of the R3 batteries. Instead they require people to buy the new variant of expensive batteries to get the performance and features they paid for.
When I used to have a 1DX MK II and 5D IV combo, you could really feel the extra power of the pro body batteries and how they can drive the lens a bit better. I believe they are 11v whereas the R5 MK I used 7.2v and now we get a slight bump to 8.5v (have to double check those numbers) Really wish we could have that battery in the R5 as well.
@@MarkWebbPhotography you’re absolutely correct. In fact it’s so important it may have pushed my decision to upgrade had they put the larger batteries into the R5mk2. For now I will wait.
Everyone needs to wait until people have the camera in their hands to review it properly. I’d like to see how good the dynamic range and ibis is. I’m sure the overheating is really a non issue like it eventually became on the r5.
That is a very important point. And I need to remind myself of this as well. I will wait till the FULL reviews come out before making my decision to buy R3 or R1 or even the R5 mk ii
@@paulmiles9388 What do you have at the moment?
❤good for canon, they caught up to 4 year old technology. It will be changing soon with Sony OR Nikon
And Nikon is still trying to Catch up To Canon and Sony with their AF. So what's your point. Far more MP for most shooters is meaningless. Sensors in top Models are just about to the point where most are more then just fast enough.
Canon released the R5 in 2020, let frogging the competition. Last year Nikon caught up with the Z8, it appears the R5 II and Z8 are very similar in capabilities, but the AF on the R5 II looks to be further ahead if the claims by Canon are true.
I wonder haw many pre orders the r5 mark 2 and have canceled. The order. Like I’m going to do later today
I’m now looking for a r5C
Great! I might just get mine a little faster!
We have to remember when the R5 came out, it was amazing and then the cripple hammer floated to the surface. However after a few firmware updates, the new software started to fit the hardware.
Now the MKII is out and I think with some time and firmware updates it will be more than enough. Even as it stands, I have the cash waiting to get it as soon as it’s available.
As with everything, wrinkles will appear, but I’m sure they will be ironed out. I would be interest to find out, how many people have outgrown the R5, where the MKII is essential for their use.
The reason I’m getting it, is that I need a new camera and this will probably the last one I will buy, so might as well, go for what I consider the perfect one for me.
There simply is not enough in the R5-II that would make me upgrade my two original R5s. I'll wait and see what the R5-III has to offer. Of course, I'd love my R5 more if they'd remove the 30 minute limit, but I have an R7 and R6-II for video work now, so I don't care as much about that like I used to. The original R5 is still a great camera for 2025 and beyond.
The improvements are across the board but the improvements don't push the needle enough for first gen users to rush out to spend 5k. The camera is an evolution instead of a revolution. Therefore, gen 1 users will naturally adopt the gen 2 camera more slowly. Asking current users to spend an extra $5,000 for mostly lateral upgrades that in essence gets them caught up to the competition is an insult.
There is no doubt that new users will have an outstanding camera.
Why Canon doesnt have a high res pro body is another issue that attributes to the lack of excitement from current users.
the R5 2 looks so good from the video side. but it is kind of taking away from the release when everyone is concerned about the "heat" factor. Sony has been very very quiet. Let's see what they come up with.
Yes there are a number of improvements for video shooters but I am almost exclusively a landscape and macro photographer using tripods. Unless there is a big improvement in dynamic range of the sensor and noise reduction I see little that interests me besides maybe a better viewfinder. SO I will stick with my R5 or maybe start looking at Nikon if Canon keeps 'focusing' on video as they have with their limited and recent firmware updates for the R5.
The reason for the focus on video is driving sales. Without strong videos capabilities, most cameras don't sell as well. The final reviews will help us understand the improvements on the photo side, but I sense the MK1 is more than enough for many.
I have so far photographed with the R5 and ordered the R5II on the day of the performance. Looking forward to the new tool.
I am primarily a wildlife stills shooter with occasional video so although there are some improvements over my R5 for that purpose I am not yet sure the R5ii is worth the upgrade price. I can appreciate how the improvements benefit the video shooters. Advantages for me would be improved AF, an electronic shutter I can control and possibly the stacked sensor. I think I will wait to see how they perform in the real world.
I agree with you but would add the pre-shoot buffer as something I would definitely benefit from
@@63barty Hmm, possibly but do I really want another 15 shots to preview? I would find that more attractive if it scaled proportional to the frame rate (which is programmable) but, as I understand it, it isn't.
The price should have been $3899
@@MrJaynice5 absolutely, they would really make a killing and that price seems to match what it can do.
R5II is mostly for action photographers such as wildlife, sports, fast moving subjects. Not mainly for still photographers.. We don't know details about it yet. Wait until full reviews of final products..
Thanks for pointing out the disappointment regarding the limit to only 30fps for 8K oversampled 4K footage! ( 11:50 ) Even the R5C was capable of 8K oversampled 4K at 60fps. Nikon also included 8K oversampled 4K60p years ago.
The R5 Mark II should be more capable than the old R5C in EVERY way not just in most ways. The R5C had 8K oversampled 4K60p. The R5 II should've at least matched that or gone to oversampled 4K120p. Very underwhelming!!!! We must continue to put pressure on Canon to get a firmware update bringing 8K oversampled 4K60p to the R5 II!
We just have to keep the pressure on Canon. They do listen. Look at the changes we help bring together.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Yes! Maybe you can reach out to Canon and ask for a firmware update because your word has much more weight to it with all these followers behind you! Maybe they'll listen to you and give us 8K oversampled 4K60p with a future firmware update. We shouldn't just swallow this "cripple hammer pill". Thanks for your work, Simon!
And when Canon has the firmware update are you going to buy the camera? Unfortunately I find that most folks who complain are just other brand users who just want to complain.
Possibly a limitation of the Digic X processor? Even the R6mk2 has oversampled 4k60. In the R5mk2 this will really be messed up if you want to mix footage shot at lower frame rates.
@@Davitor1 Absolutely! I will switch to either Canon or Nikon in the next 7-8 months and I have about 25k to spend on new gear (camera body + lenses). I would prefer to go with Canon AND I will fully commit to the Canon R5 Mark II if we get this firmware update. If we don't get 8K oversampled 4K60p on the R5 II with an update I'll spend this money on Nikon lenses and the Nikon Z8 instead but I'd prefer Canon IF we get the update.
So whether or not we will get this update decides if I go with Nikon or with Canon.
Mark ii illustrates how much pressure Canon had to make a splash with the original R5. We are back to small incremental improvements and lower effort, but not as bad as the cripple hammer days.
So you are admitting you really don't know the difference between these cameras. These are hardly just small incremental improvements.
@natureredux1957 fixing a heating issue with an additional grip that adds to that MSRP? Revolutionary changes? Everything else the Mark ii offers are nice to haves but not "wow" features. The R5 looks like a better conceived product only out of necessity at the time for Canon.
@@SolidLiquidFox Well what has not gone up in price over the last several years. Nor did I claim the WOW factor, each person has to decide what is or not, WOW enough for them. But no, these are NOT just small incremental improvements. Hardly.
I am mainly a landscape shooter, currently using an R6, I want more megapixels of the R5 and was waiting for the r5ii to be announced. My biggest gripe with canon is theirs yet another battery grip and yet another new battery, many of the new features will be locked off if you are using a LPE6NH battery, not sure if my BGR10 grip will fit the R5ii yet but canon is too greedy, I will wait for a comparison video between the Mark 1 and the Mark 2 but I suspect I will be going for a Mark 1 and saving a load of cash
The battery grip for the R5 OG doesn't fit the Mark II.
I currently shoot with the 6D MK II.
I started 10 years ago with a T2i, then jumped to a 6D (I used them both with the Magic Lantern firmware which was fantastic) and finally jumped to the 6D MK II and honestly I think the 6D was better. At least the dynamic range was better. I worked in 2 continents with a single 6D, won nationa wide awards, Canon, NatGeo, etc. No need at all for "better equipment", knowledge and creativity compensate just fine for everything.
Now I'm seriously thinking if I should finally jump to the mirrorless world. At the beginning I didn't do it because there were too many downsides and my equipment was sufficient (I still edit on photoshop 2015), but now apparently those are gone. My background is wedding and street photography. I'm thinking about jumping now mainly because of the auto focus system and the cinema capabilities of the R5 II. I was thinking on buying a Sigma fp but MAYBE the R5 II is better. I'm eagerly waiting for people to have the R5 II and compare it with the Sigma fp or other cinema like cameras. To me the marketing doesn't matter, what matters is the end result taken with the equipment and the price. Years ago I thought "Surely Canon will make one mirrorless camera one day that will be better than any other brand, I'll wait" and it seems this R5 II is the peak of what is possible for Canon, and that's a little dissapointing. I'm even thinking on researching other brands, like Sony (I puked a little by writting this, God forgive me).
As a Nikon shooter , it's a wow camera because of it's AF that looks powerful , far better than what I have with the Z9, I'd say the R5 OG was on par with the Z9 , now the R5 II left it behind.
The rest of the specs seem very similar to the Z8.
It does Leave me a bit jealous , but hey I have a Z9 II to look forward to :) it's an ongoing race.
I had a point in time when I sold my Fuji gear and I could switch to any of the big 3 , I went with Nikon this round.
No doubt the A1ii will leave this for dead then the Z9ii will leave that for dead then the R5iii, well you get the picture😂.
I think the Z8 II and Z9 II will address this. Nikon did a great job with the Z8 and Z9. I'm looking forward to seeing how the new autofocus not he R5 II is when I get the camera.
I own both z8 and z9, and yes I love the color straight out of camera but for me the r5ii will beat the Nikon's. Nikon's z8 z9 suffer from grain at low ISO and horrible dynamic and terrible shooting experience along with sub par auto focus.(worst evf ever which is why the battery life is is good) and I live in Miami and ive had the Z8 overheat on me 3 times shooting photography. From me, testing the r5 ii on sat I see a camera that's just as fast as the z8 z9 way better ISO way better dynamic range, better auto focus and amazing shooting experience!
I own both camera and Nikon cameras. Z9 has better af than R5.
The full Canon R5ii product manual came out today! FINALLY, we have official specs and real-world limitations. Everyone should look at it for themselves, but I have to say that, overall, I'm underwhelmed. I'm a stills shooter and I don't shoot sports. For me, there is very little new (3 features) that I would ever use. Eye control AF is very cool. I've used it in the R3. But is it worth the $2,300 cost to upgrade? Not really. I ordered three R5ii's and I've already canceled two. Seriously considering canceling the last one. The original R5 is an awesome camera for stills.
Yep. Just read through it Bill. I'm scripting a video to cover some points. That AF is something I am looking forward to, as well as the new video codecs/
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Simon, it appears that the manual is not complete yet. Some of the links go nowhere and others have placeholder pages. But it's a start. It's a little troubling that the manual isn't farther along by now.
That's correct. As I mentioned in the video, the camera is in preproduction and as they update the firmware, they will update the manual. I expect it to be polished by shipment with issues fixed and a downloadable PDF version.
Simon, whenever you’re ready to try some Sony Gear, I’m in Mississauga and will gladly lend you some GM’s to try and maybe compare the R5ii to the A7Siv once it’s released
Perhaps we can meet up one weekend. I have shot with the A7S3 - love the camera. Looking forward to the a7S4. Are you ever in the Newmarket / Aurora area?
Can we say that the R1 will be almost equal in videoquality, like the C400 just without shutter angle and without a lot of the professional connections. But it is a 6K-RAW-LT 60fps body with a better AF than the C400 and I guess it is not overheating. This would make it to a Baby C400 and having also a very good foto camera. Because the R5MKII is overheating in the best video mode, it is not the flagship for me. It is also worse in low light, in rolling shutter and in the AF as it is without the cross pixel AF. So from the video side, the R1 is the best canon for me. For the same price, I would prefer it over the R5 MKII.
I currently shoot M4/3... Lumix. While the R5MII is a step up from R5.... it's not a $1400 step up. And certainly not worth a complete ecosystem change. $4300 fro camera, $400 for cooling grip, $80 a pop for new batteries, and of course Canon's famous "attitude" toward 3rd party lens manufacturers. Not buying the recent talks about that last topic either.
Will wait for Sony's "WOW camera" and likely go that route...
Highly unlikely you will move from your hobby camera.
Most of us don't change ecosystems when the competition comes out with a good camera. We just clap and wait to see the updates in our own ecosystem ;) Its too expensive for most of us to change all the time.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Agreed... however, the marketshare shifts are showing that there is an increasing trend of just that. Which is why I am saying, as a video centric user, the R5MII misses the mark.... moreso in price and closed lens manufacturing, than features. For instance, if Sony releases a similar priced/feature set A7S4... then it may have the advantage. And with Panasonic and Nikon offerings far lowerer... it leaves room for their next "WOW" camera to dome in at a lower price with greater capabilities...
I've shot solely with an EOS 50D the last 16 years, and decided the R5ii would be the next chapter in my photography career and pre-ordered it. Coming from such an ancient camera, the "wow" factor will be especially pronounced for my particular cases. Now why the R5ii instead of a cheaper/older model? Because I plan on owning this piece of kit for the next 16 years and want something that'll handle my needs long into the future. I'm one of those that likes to order Day 1 and drive it into the ground. It'll take a while to eventually migrate all my glass to RF. The RF/EF adapter will do in the meantime.
I would not use the term wow, instead I would use the term overwhelmed or drinking from the firehose. I went from the 70D to the R5 MK1, and it took me a good 8 months to level up. I'm still learning, but at least feel comfortable with it. You'll grow to love the camera, but be prepared for a learning curve. It's like going from a Toyota Camry to a Corvette. The EF ro RF adapter works perfectly. I never had any issues at all.
90% of this video is talking about video performance, so that speaks for itself. For most stills shooters, it’s not really worth the upgrade. Video shooters, maybe.
I think you left out the pre-record buffering ability - there were many occasions that I regret pressing the record button just a moment late
Used the pre-order link and ordered mine, regarding price increases, just another one on a long list.
Thanks you for using my link. I do feel this price increase was a bit of a reach when looking at the competition. Still, like you, I bought it .
For me it will be a wow camera because I currently shoot canon 5d Mrk 3 and Sony a6000 so I I get R5 Mrk 2 today it will be a wow camera for me. Because cameras in Africa especially in Ghana 🇬🇭 are expensive
I do not know how to define a WOW camera, but let's just look at some of the improvements vs. the R5:
1) Fully stacked BSI sensor with maximum flash sync speed 1/200 sec in electronic shutter (ES) mode.
2) At 20 fps in ES mode with RAW precapture enabled one should have a solid 4 sec buffer (or possibly even more). My R3 at 30 fps has no pre-capture and a maximum buffer of 5 sec at 30 fps.
3) Fully 14-bit RAW readout at high-speed. The original R5 was 12-bit RAW.
4) Dramatically, improved AF acquisition and tracking compared to R5
5) Eye-Control AF with 60 calculations / sec for better accuracy; no Eye-Control AF on R5
6) 30 fps maximum frame rate vs. 20 fps
7) Adjustable frame rates in electronic shutter mode; not possible with R5
8) Pre-capture RAW for 0.5 sec that writes individual files; this is a huge addition.
9) Digital hot shoe which was not available on R5
10) Locking cover on hot shoe so it does not fall off
I did purchase the R5, but ended up returning it due to its limitations. IMO The R5 Mk2 eliminates the limitations as a photographer. I purchased the R5 Mk2.
A good Canon camera, an ordinary camera even in 2023.
Oh, and my 5D classic still works perfectly!
My 5D Mark III and 6D Mark II also, truly no reason for throwing them away.😂
@@joachimreiner7924 For stills, I agree, but issues like rolling shutter and not-great dynamic range and codecs (for starters) make them severely dated for video shooters today. It's still a neat hack to use cameras like these if you are on a super-tight budget, however.👍🏻
You're not the only one... these things are like tanks and keep on going.
The 4K oversampling issue may be a processor and heat limitation. It takes a lot of power to oversample 8K to 4K. That's why cameras with better image quality usually have far fewer megapixels.
It’s the same with the CF Type A and Type B argument. It appears that all bodies (including pre production R1) have a limitation of the raw processing pipeline no faster than 600ish MB/s. The A9iii and R1 seem to have the same buffer capacity and limitations while one is 24 MP 120 fps and the other is 24 MP 40 fps.
So in reality maybe that is why none of them utilized 4.0 chipsets because it would just add cost and not add any real world speed benefit. I could be wrong and we won’t know until production R1’s are in the wild and tested but it begs to wonder if the processing power and heat generation are what limit the processing speeds which are the bottleneck in todays cameras and not the cards themselves.
I only shoot video...coming from the R8...this is a WOW camera. I pre-ordered !
After the release of the R5ii and R1 it's become obvious that the preview to youtubers event was a total fiasco with two cameras to look at in just a couple of hours hands-on time. It's like these products were more unfinished than any other pre-production camera ever! including the documentation. A total breakdown in communications and an unprofessional mess. Not what you would expect from Canon. You can only hope that the production versions appear on time and without issues.
Thanks for this overview. It’s been really helpful.
Shooting events, portraits and family vacations on my R5+RF 28-70. I use video for short handheld clips and home recordings, no sports or obscured subjects. The R5 mark 2 has some benefits, like upgraded autofocus, eye focus, pre-continuous shooting and reduced IBIS wobble. Not enough to justify a $4300 purchase. But a $2000-$2500 upgrade if I trade in? That’s something I’ll think about in the coming weeks. I’d also want to hold it in my hands and try out. I’ve made body and lens decisions in the past based on this (eg, 6D Mark 2 over 70D, EFS 17-55 over EF 50 1.4).
When I’m no longer watching UA-cam, and am alone with the camera and the moment, I need to be perfectly happy with my setup. The rest really doesn’t matter
The R5 refurbs sell for around US$2,199. That should help give you a price estimate. With all the pre sales, it might be a challenge to get the best price now, but I'd expect close to $2000 for the R5 MK1.
You forgot toention the A1 ii. The original was launched soon after the R5 was in the market and trumped it in all departments.
Well not all . . . but it certainly matched it in most areas and exceeded it by over 50% ($2,600 more) in price!
It's only possible to use eye and face detection in video mode with the A1 using touch tracking. The autofocus of the original R5 was far superior to the Sony A1!
It's a very nice camera but not nearly enough new features and capabilities over the R5I to put it into the category of a "wow camera", particularly when you consider the price increase. Let's hope forthcoming firmware updates will get it closer to "wow".
I don't have an opinion yet. I am waiting for people to have the R5 MK II in their hands to compare against the R5c before I make a decision on R5 MK II vs R5c. For Canon cameras I currently have an R6, R50, 70d, 50d (IR Modded), Digital Rebel XT, & Elan7.
I'd wait a few weeks. The reviews out now are cursory with very little hands on. They lack detail.
I agree with you I think the R52 is a good update BUT it’s only an upgrade for those of us that shoot a lot of video. Most people are primarily photographers and I can see some benefits for photographers that shoot sports action and wildlife but for any other type of photography work the R52 offers very little advancement for the price. I would not say it is a wow camera but more of good incremental update camera that addressed a lot of the issues with the mark 1. I think that’s where a lot of the disappointment comes from. If I wasn’t making UA-cam content I probably would have skipped the R52 and waited till 2028 to get the R53.
For the stills shooter there is the stacked bsi sensor, 14 bit Raw all the up to 30 fps, improved faster AF, pre-capture, improved readout from 16ms to 6ms, improved brighter viewfinder. It's not just for video ;)
In fact here is all about, or mostly, about video capability.
Well people , canon have video cameras, very good , take them for video and be professional.
Nikon best bang for the $
I can't argue against that. $3,496 and very similar in terms of capabilities.
Everyone's needs are different. Interestingly, my final decision was R5 ---> A7RV instead of upgrading to the R5II. I am primarily a stills shooter, who has very little need for the improved video specs of the R5II. Factors that influence my decision are: cost, flip/tilt LCD, better object tracking (perhaps fixed now in R5II), battery usage, and range of lens options. I took advantage of some great Sony/B&H discounts that expired yesterday and new A7RV is on its way.
I think people are spot on when they label the R5ii a 'beta' version. It clearly was not ready for launch - incredible given they have had four years or more to bring it to market. This was a curious launch of the two best mirrorless cameras Canon can produce in what is a highly competitive sector. The content creators invited to the Phoenix Arizona launch event (e.g Petapixel) were given about two hours shooting time on the two cameras after time spent on travel and lunch. And to split the time between the R5ii and the R1 meant an absurdly limited time on each. Shooting was pretty much confined to shooting sports in a poorly lit indoor stadium because it was 100 degrees fahrenheit outside - who'd have thought? Seems someone at Canon forgot to check the weather forecast for Phoenix in July. Strange setting for a camera (R5ii) which is not principally a sports photography body. Which highlights the other curious part about this launch - combining the R5ii general purpose body and the sports centric R1 in the same launch event. Nothing more needs be said about whether the R1 is rightly described as a flagship camera body given, on many levels, it fails to match what Sony's 4 and a half year old A1 can deliver. Whatever Canon's reasoning here, clearly both cameras need further firmware development.
That's evident from the reviews, the lack of detail or analysis. One review even had a beta unit in hand. I hope the R5 II is further along in development than the R5 I was...
The limited time in hand is what you want when you don't want people to dig too deep ;)
I see Canon like Apple. The R5mii is an outstanding camera. But to non Apple or Canon enthusiasts, getting options that have been out in other Cameras for years now at a premium price appears disappointing. Meanwhile the die hard Canon users who don’t care about the other brands are rejoicing to finally get those features.
There’s literally a commenter below that has a full size HDMI as one of the reasons to upgrade. Sure this is an improvement to the RRmii but it has also been out on cheaper cameras 4-5 years ago.
And as a Canon shooters, I'm happy to see those capabilities finally coming to Canon. I love competition for this very reason, keeps each company on their toes. However, the AF in this camera might prove to be significant.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Keyword finally. But I agree competition is good. I think Sony slowed their innovation and is currently resting which I don't like.
As far as autofocus when it comes to those specific 3 sports I think it's significant. Sony however has already dropped their AI autofocus down to even cheaper $2,000 cameras. I think its a great talking point for Canon but the vast majority of people aren't shooting basketball, volleyball and soccer.
R6II has oversampled 4k60, which is a very important format today. R5II seems to feature 4k60 line skipped only (!), but with clog2. A 'wow' video camera would be more like a R6III, with oversampled 4k60 AND clog2, and this without need for a noisy fan.
I never ever use lock switch or button at all. I don’t like when the off/on switch exchange to photo/video. I customized a button that near the shutter to be photo/video.
Without shutter angle the R1 is essentially disqualified as an option for serious filmmaking. Honestly, looking at both these cameras I'm realising the cripple hammer has been very busy carefully segmenting features to assure that filmmakers will have to choose a C400 (or R5C), and pro photographers will need an R1. As a hybrid, the R5 Mark ii is a strategically crippled option for either use case. I'd say this is a great time to explore Nikon and Sony now that Canon is up to their old tricks.
Yes I’m a still shooter and shoot video sometimes. When I do shoot video we are just shooting 1080. I was really looking forward to this camera to offer something amazing for stills shooters. JMO but I’ll skip this one.
There's no doubt the mkII is a better camera. I think the disappointment, is that the original R5 was already very good, and being the same resolution, in most case scenarios, the output from both cameras is going to look very similar, or identical. That it's only for more particular needs, that the faster read-out, pre-shooting, better AF, video capabilities, is going to make a difference. However, if you take a particular case scenario, like say, birds in flight, theoretically, the mkII should be better. But the original R5 had one of the fastest readouts from a non-stacked sensor, it does shoot at 20fps and the AF is pretty good. So if you shot them side by side you'd probably get similar results, except in particular instances where the original R5 had more rolling shutter, and the fps made a difference, or the pre-shooting. In other words, the mkII is the better camera, but a lot of the time, it isn't going to get you noticeably different results. I think we're going to increasingly see this. I mean the R5 was a quantum leap ahead of the 5D mkIV on many levels. But the top mirrorless cameras are reaching a level, where they will get better, but a lot of time, will not be noticeably better than their predecessors, in either handling, use or output.
Many experts say the future is video not stills. If you look at the R5 with that knowledge then this camera totally makes sense. My impression is that many cons are from stills photographers and yes, there are not so many arguments for switching from a R5 to the R5 II in that area. Personally I like the eye controlled autofocus. I shoot wildlife and planes, currently with a R6 Mark I and a R7. So I hope this will be a huge step forward for me. However I am still thinking whether this step is worth the money. There is also the option for me to invest the money in an R6 Mark III (when it appears, which it will at some time) and a RF 200-800 (which is currently also not available in stores here). So maybe waiting and deciding later is the best option. If the R5 II is available in August then most of the season is over. No need to hurry. I also like the faster readout speed but I also understand that faster readout means higher noise. So we have to wait for some real world tests and comparisons.
My disappointments with the R5 II are easily told:
1.) Why was the HighRes-Mode removed? My expactation was that a R5 II would have an improved HighRes-Mode. AI upscaling is NOT an alternative. For example: Never ever will an AI create readable text with upscaling from an unreadable source. If you photograph a church from the inside with most details possible, then you do not want hallucinations from an AI. HighRes is about facts and reality not dreaming. Yes, maybe this will come with a firmware update as it did in the R5. However Canons firmware policy was always erratic and so I cannot rely on an assumption. Yes, HighRes has problems with moving subjects but other modes like HDR or panorama have this too. So this is not an argument.
2.) There are still no custom buttons! HEY CANON! A camera today is different from the ancient chemical film times. Today a camera has a gazillion of options and settings which sometimes must be switched over in a fraction of a second. I use backbutton focus - for good reasons. There is a back button for triggering the autofocus. Ok. But sometimes I need eye autofocus and if the camera does not detect the subject I need to instantly switch over to standard autofocus with autofocus fields. So I need two buttons, one for each autofocus mode. Good news: The camera supports the mapping of these functions to buttons. So it is possible to implement this. The bad news: You have to dispense the function of a standard button for this. I mapped one function on my R6 and R7 to the metering button which means - I have no button for metering any more. You can talk as much to a Canon Rep as you want: CANON DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THIS! Think of the face priority autofocus in a fast changing situation. You have to decide whether you need the focus on the programmed subject or on something / someone totally different. WHAT IS SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND that there is a real world need for some custom buttons?
Some add ons for the Canon Reps reading this article:
3.) If you want to step in into computational assisted photography, then there are better functions than AI upscaling or AI denoise, like
a) HighRes-Mode
b) live ND filters
c) improve the RAW-Burst Mode so that it automatically stores the images when a configurable amount of the image changes. For example let the camera constantly take pictures from a lightning but when flash happens then store the image plus an adjustable number of images before and another adjustable number of images after the event (for video change number to seconds, for video think also of slow motion and time lapse events). Think of geysers, vulcanos, explosions, etc. for this function.
d) Why do I have to use an app for calculating the hyperfocal distance? The camera knows all it needs for that. I just want to call a menu: "focus to the hyperfocal distance when pressing focus button".
e) Why is "save configuration to card" and reloading not a standard function an all Canon cameras? This function is so rediculous simple it is unbelievable that this is only available to cameras with a price tag of some thousand Dollars or Euros.
f) When shooting birds or planes esp. with the RF 2x extender the autofocus often has big problems and is also slow. There are technical reasons for that, which I understand. I can set a distance limiter of 3m to infinity on the RF 100-500. However I would like to set the distance to arbitrary from and to values in the camera. If I should planes I can set this to from 1km to infinity and the camera would not have big problems. If I shoot wildlife in a certain distance I may set it to from 30 m to 50 m. Again, this function should be very easy to implement.
Last words:
I use Canon gear and I have no plans to switch. This post might sound like I am unhappy with Canon but I am not. I expressed my concerns and whishes and naturaly this gives focus to some criticism. However I would not own so much Canon gear if I would be unsattisfied.
Looking forward to a much brighter future with even better Canon gear!
I clicked on the pre-order link to check the price of an R5 Mark II for me here in the UK. As expected, it was $4,299 at B&H. But wait, it also said, "shipping restriction: no shipping to United Kingdom". So, what if I still want to buy one here in the UK? Using the "find a retailer" link from Canon's UK website, the various retailers want £5749 for it. For those in the US, that's $7425! Jeepers, 73% more! More than the R1! Much more!
That settles it for me then: I certainly won't buy it now, maybe not ever. I might check the grey market prices in a year or two, or consider other options. I'm certainly not burning through that kind of money for an incremental upgrade.
You must have looked at a link with the RF 24-105mm f4L included.
The body UK price is £ 4,449
@@novainvicta Yes I did! My bad. Thanks for pointing that out. That changes things.
Given no resolution increase, I was hoping for a more robust ibis based high megapixel uprez w raw output. That feature appears to have been abandoned in favor of AI invention, which again, may be better done in post with desktop software. When I tested the current version w my R5 ibis uprez vs the Adobe double rez from raw and merely upscaling in Photoshop from a single raw exposure, it seemed like there was insignificant differences.
You can talk yourself into anything. But after 4 years there have only been various improvements and zero innovations. Where has the master of it all gone?
Says you.
@@natureredux1957 says the vast amount of respected Photo/Video professionals who used the camera.
@@Uisci81 Not. You don't speak for the vast amount of people. Only yourself. You are simply just one person on the planet.
This weekend I did some panning while photographing a falcon flying against a building, with the electronic shutter on the R5. All the straight lines on the building were really slanted. I was quite surprised, as it was almost as bad as the R7. Hopefully the same scenario will be much less distorted on the Mark II.
I ordered both the R5II and R1 - I shoot sports and often crop or use the crop factor which is why I might keep the R5II as I love the versatility of the 100-300mm 2.8, but I think I might benefit more with the R1 for the extra auto-focus capabilities... we'll see... but until I actually have them in hand it's really hard to know which one works best for ME - so I might have an R5II for sale in November... maybe not. I don't find the R5II to be such a big WOW update other than the autofocus cause I don't use video much... reason why I would prefer R1 - but the R1 isn't a big WOW either - it would have been having 45MP+ and it would have a better chance to compete with the others... The main reason I am buying a new camera is because my R5 is getting up there in mileage and want a bit more for the next 4 years... not because of WOW.
This is an almost perfect hybrid ! Haters gonna hate 😂 shoo shoo 😅 …. My only complaints is the non 4 axis tilt screen , the air vents and the higher price tag 😂 , the one that is disappointing is the R1 ( which in real world is nothing more than just the R3mk2 😅 ) …
I’ve been wanting to give my own take on this camera. I’m no “professional” but I like to put out my thoughts to prompt discussion… maybe I will. I don’t think I’d call this OR the R1 a “wow camera” but that’s coming from someone who owns an R5c already.
If I owned the R5c, I'd likely have the same viewpoint.
After thinking about it (for about 3 hours 😂), I decided to upgrade from the R5 to the R5 II. I'm a bird photographer as well as a shooter of landscapes. The greater FPS, improved AF, and less rolling shutter are very important to me. I don't care about 8K video but slo-mo with sound should be great for B-roll. Wave forms are also very attractive. I just wish it were only $4K or so.
After Christmas the price will probably drop to 4K. (if you can wait)
@@Davitor1 the demand will likely outstrip the supply. People are still awaiting the RF 200-800 who ordered it last year! Plus, if the administration changes and they impose import tariffs, the R5 II will become unaffordable. So I'm striking now and hope to actually get it by Christmas.
Slowmo with sound is indeed nice.
The R5m2 is or isn’t a wow camera depending on what you shoot. Being more of a photographer than a videographer, I preordered one for the additional speed and autofocus improvements. I also expect the raw files to have improved dynamic range over the R5 based on Canon’s willingness to include CLOG2. The biggest letdown for me was that the sensor real out speed appears to be slower than it’s direct competitor, the Nikon Z8, which has been out for a year and a half. Having an engineering background, the biggest wow for me is the inclusion of the same data handling pipeline as the R1. No cripple hammer there… 🤷🏻♂️
I am primarily a wildlife photographer with a lots of glass and 2 R5s ..I do some video but it's secondary to stills .. I am watching with interest as we get full production model reviews. I am most interested in seeing if it will stay on a bird in flight as it passes from a sky background to a treed background without jumping to the background. I would like less rolling shutter but get around that with 1st curtain. 30 fps would be nice but I don't need it. Precapture with a fixed .5 second is ah well too many images for my taste. I would love to have c log 2 but it's not enough to move me. I'm not pleased with the addition of a video switch in place of the on off switch. I prefer using the MFN button and not taking my eye off the viewfinder to switch between video modes and stills. I'm usually hand holding a 600 F4 and trying to get to that switch on my r62 was a nightmare so much so I dumped the camera and got a second R5.
how does the RVII 45mgp stacked sensor compared to the Sony A1 50mgp stacked sensor as in speed and ibis ect ect ect
Slightly faster than a 3.5-yr-old A1 which has more MPs and is thermallly limited.
@@frankfeng2701 thanks for the info, wich gear do you use...if I myth ask?
The cameras look solid and the image quality and AF is best on the market how can they be a disappointment.
I shoot with the r5. If the r5m2 has significantly reduced rolling shutter and the AF system of the r7, then it will indeed be a wow camera for me, someone who loves to shoot fast small birds moving in flight. I can understand how those who don’t do this type of photography may feel the r5m2 doesn’t do much new for them. But for me, 30 fps 14-bit raw files is just killer. Other than not being in a r3 body, the r5m2 is exactly (well, apart from having 2 cf-e cards) what I want. Canon would probably want another $1000 for me to get exactly what I want. I can live just fine with what I will get. I will be talking short video clips in the field and will buy the fan grip only if needed. I do use the normal grip. I am not clear on whether I will get 4k fine at 60 and 120 fps. They would be wise to put at least one of those in the camera.
Hi!
I will definitely be buying this camera. With the new features it offers makes this a camera to last 10 years and still be competitive. If we look at the original Sony a9, it’s still very capable today, 7 years after it has been launched. Or look at the 1DX ii, 8 years after and it’s still a great camera.
However, I think that people are being unreasonable in their complaints, it comes to a point where, nothing Canon does is of any good… if there’s no cooling grip people complain, if they make a cooling grip people complain that now they have to buy one. They will never be happy. I honestly think that bashing Canon has become a trend and we’ve seen this with other companies: Intel, Microsoft, Pentax, OM systems and even Apple recently. But it’s also the companies fault to sleep under the shadow of their achievements, a lot of unable people reach positions of power when things are rolling and then plunge everything down the drain with their incompetence. I think Canon is being plagued by this, they need to “clean the locker room” and rebuild their brand. I mean, this Arizona event was a marketing disaster anyway you slice it and what was it for? The canon R1 and R5ii no less..
Anyway, those are my takes on all this.
All best
Generally, there is not much of a driver to upgrade version to version. Its been that way forever. Many 5D shooters skipped the II, then bough the III and skipped the IV....for example. The R5II seems to actually be a much bigger upgrade than average. Stacked sensor, and the amazing AF tracking modes, plus cooling. I don't know if I'll upgrade yet or not, but am not surprised many are on the fence like me. What would it have had to be to be WOW? All the speculation on the internet just builds baseless hopes and expectations.
It’s missing some basic features that the 5D Mk IV has. In particular internal GPS. This is critical for location-based photography which cannot always rely on the connection to a phone. Especially since the battery life is so poor you constantly have to turn it off, losing the connection. The screen articulation is also not improved, that back screen is atrocious for photographers.
You make some good points in favor of “wow” but I wish it had open gate for anamorphic. Having a few more codecs like pro res would be nice and having the 8k oversampled when shooting in 4k up to 60 would be great. Im still waiting for production models and people testing the camera in “real world” It’s a good camera but just a touch out of reach on cost. A sale to 3899-3999 would be a little better overall. L
Thank you very much. With "World Unseen", Canon was reaching out to people with a visual impairment by showing the world what these people can make, despite of their handicap. I really hope that Canon will actively do something about providing (extra) display options that can be used by older people and photographers with an impairment.
I am a wildlife photographer and willing to replace my 90D and a hoodloupe with an R system camera. The text display in the current R7, R6 mark II and R5 are just out of reach. I think that Larger Text Size, Help Text Size and Text Contrast options could be added to the menu and Info settings. One might also think of a switch that temporarily removes the transparency of text in the viewfinder if not available yet.
All features that would make photography more enjoyable to those who struggle with readability, while not ennoying others. It could become a marketing strategy. Could you reach out to Canon and others about this?
@ordinaryfilmmaker
You were not able to see in the Canon documentation that if the camera is able to do 4K HQ upto what frame rate and the boxes were blank because you were looking at movie croping mode table, please scroll little bit down and you will see the main movie recording table where it has sadly mentioned that the camera is able ta record 4K HQ upto 30 fps.
Well pointed out. Thanks.
4K 60 fine will be the dealbreaker for me as a wedding photographer and videographer it’s the lack of over sampled 4k 60 on the r5 mk1 is why I still use my r6 mk2 more when doing hybrid coverage
I’m agree with you but I don’t think that your clients will see the difference…
I have 5d mark Iv when I started shooting wildlife I notice that the AF is not good in tracking specially subject coming towards you and FPS is not enough but very good file size 30.4 mp and excellent in handling noise in very high ISO. then I upgrade into Canon R5 I could say its very good in tracking flying birds going sideways but a bit striving in focusing when subject coming towards you. Then the problem overheating and lugging etc.returned it and got a replacement but can't focused so end up sending it back.. The problem of the R5 II is too much "add ons" "gimmicks" faces input, eye tracking, noise reduction, enlarge file size, I'll buy this camera if it has Dual CF, the AF is perfect, heat dissipation is great but not sure on the battery grip probably rain water or dust could get into they could have put the window at the back because our body or face could black those incoming winds or water if shooting landscapes or etc. and "THE PRICE" of course. I always know that they can make better camera when it's in IV so R5 IV.
R5 II: the camera Simon have been waiting for
I sold my r5 a while ago thinking I would get a R1 when it came out. In the meantime I have been using a Z8 which is a fabulous camera for the price. I mainly shoot birds and Nikon has some amazing telephoto primes that are 1/3 the price of Canon. Now that Canon has released the R5ii and R1, I have to say I am not really Wowed by either. The R5 II looks to be the better overall camera, but 2 different card slots and non-pro body coming in at $4200 puts it close to a pro camera( Z9 , A1, or even R1). The R5 ii is quite more expensive than a A7Rv, Z8, Z6iii, or the current r5 and they are all awesome cameras. The stack sensor in an R5 is awesome, but is OLD tech now that we have global shutters and HYBRID shutters (z6ii). I expect a flood of cameras in coming months from Sony and Nikon that will offer even more wow for the money. The r5 ii will eventually drop in price when other cameras arrive, so perhaps I will get it then, but for now I am holding off on a Canon Purchase.
I am an R5 user since 2020 and shoot primarily landscape. I have never shot any video. So to me, unless the formal reviews of the production camera show measurable improvements in dynamic range and noise for stills, I am considering bypassing this model. I do shoot a little bit of wildlife, and at some point in the future perhaps grandchildren to document, where the video might finally get used. I do like shooting nightscape, so I was excited about the lighted buttons, but I have only seen that with regard to the R1 and not on the R5. Simon - do you know if the R5 Mk II has any lighted buttons or not? So all in all not a WOW camera upgrade for the type of shooting I do, unfortunately.
If you can buy a used R5 for $2100... then consider you can sell yours for that.... then that means these features you are describing cost you $4300 - $2100... $2200 Will you pay that for a full size HDMI, updated Autofocus, and the other features you mentioned? That's more than some manufacturers are selling their entire camera for....
I might still buy this because of the economics involved in switching brands, but I know for sure that it would prove unwise in the long run
I might get a lot of stick for this. I've been waiting to upgrade my very old, APS-C, EOS M5. I'm prepared to go to Nikon, and possibly Sony, but would have liked to stay with Canon.
My camera is leagues behind modern cameras. In fact, modern ones are all so good, that anything would be such a wild upgrade that usability is a major distinguishing factor for myself - and the flippy vlogger type screen is such a no for me and street, nature and event photography (all just amateur).
Before anybody suggests such, having a tilty screen (or ideally a combo like the A7RV) has nothing to do with being stealthy (I'm also quite comfortable asking people for their photo); it's just so, so much quicker to snap out for a sudden opportunity, with the screen in line with the lens, and in line with my face.
For me, it's 90% of my eyes for the shot, and that's something I want to feel right, above a lot of other things.
I often shoot lower down, and the vlogger screen is a massive, massive turn off. I was so deeply hoping for some time like the A7RV or even the Z8.
We are fortunate to have great cameras these days. Unfortunately, the community is hard to please, like Star Wars fans
If Canon can also this year release a Stacked Sensor R7ii with the same stacked sensor TECH as the R1/R5ii, Canon will have an unmatched trifecta of cameras. Plus they already have the unmatched option of the 200 800mm Lens.
The 4 channels of sound is also a big deal for me
Yep. It's nice to have the upgrade.
Current equipment? R5 only for wildlife, only EF adapted lenses with polarizer or variable ND filter. Mainly 4K 30P HQ or 120P.
Wow camera R5 II?
Unclear:
1. 4K 60P HQ downsampled from 8k?
2. Eye controlled AF also in video mode?
3. AF cases gone as in photo mode?
4. Real progress in the video animal detection also when the action stops?
Clearly no wow camera:
6. Overheating period (22 minutes even with the active cooling grip?) in 120P is much too short for wildlife! I often wait longer for the first real vaulable action shot - and the overheating starts in standby, not only in recording!
7. 4K 120P without HQ downsampling from 8K.
8. 240P in Full HD instead of 4K
That's just me, Canon leaked a lot of rumours concerning the R5 II and R1. Fans had high expectations, sadly the Balloon didn't fly.. Especially for the R3 II AkA flagship.
with this camera so we won't see a version of the R5 C MARK II? And is there any news about the c70 mini or mark II?
The R5 when released had much backlash on the internet. A year later one of the most popular if not the most popular mid mirrorless. Nobody has spent over a day with the R5II non of which had version 1.0 firmware installed. Most reviewers admitted to not having enough time to intelligently make an analysis of all the cameras modes. So here we are watching people talk about a device that they have not used, laid their hands on, and many have never seen in person. Yet claim to be making consequential purchasing decision. Many are trying to basically pursuade others from purchasing something that maybe they cannot. Something young children often do. Happened with all the 5D cameras too. And we know how all that turned out in the long run. The most sold midlevel DSLR ever. The R5II is a serious upgrade to the R5 in ALL modes. At minimum its nearly a 20% increase in performance. Simply because it has a stacked sensor. Lots of headroom.
I've never touched the red button so . . . video capabilities don't matter to me. That said, if you're a stills shooter and shoot volleyball, basketball, or soccer, it's a WOW! camera. For all other stills shooters, the jury is still out. I don't shoot the three WOW sports. I'm reserving judgment until I've shot it back-to-back with my R5.
As an R5 shooter, I do not feel that the R5 Mark II is a 'wow' camera - at least based on the specifications vs my use. I did not expect a wow camera, however. Mirrorless technology is very mature, and for the most part we are back in the DSLR days where new releases are mostly incremental in nature. I will purchase the Mark II, but not with the urgency with which I jumped at the R5 as the R5 still exceeds my requirements. The only thing that disappoints me about this camera to an important degree is the price. As a stills only shooter I feel abandoned by all manufacturers. An awful lot of video tech is being pushed into these cameras which comes at a cost and is of no benefit. At least to me.
It's important to note that your readout speed source is incorrect. I've sent Bryan an email for that. Canon USA and Japan both list the readout speed as 40% faster than the R5. That would be 16.3ms down to 9.7ms, not down to 6.3ms. While that difference is small, it would be significant in my mind. I think the confusion comes from some sources claiming it's 60% better that the original instead of 40%.
Thanks Mike. The results to date show that very minimal rolling shutter on the R5 II. That will make a lot of people very happy.
@OrdinaryFilmmaker I'm hoping so, but this one thing has annoyed me. Effectively, if correct, 10ms is the slowest full frame stacked sensor ever created, not counting the marketing BS on the Z6III. This bugs me. This will be slower than almost every stacked sensor on the market, only beating the Olympus and marketing claims of the partially stacked Z6III. However, Canon is charging a premium for the second-rate readout.
The good news... I haven't seen anything in the way of rolling shutter yet. It's almost as if it really is reading out at 6.3ms.
Information-wise, this has been the worst release ever. Canon USA still has misrepresented specs on its R5 page that appear to be a mixture of R1 and R5II specs. The advistisement specs look good, but the detailed specs are a mess. I haven't checked the Canon Canada page, but I think the most accurate page was the Japanese page. It has more info and appears to be accurate.