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I'm in the US and have the 3ful lanshan 2. I think it's a great tent for the money. My 1 person tent is a Six Moon Designs Lunar Solo, and this is an excellent tent, more like a 1.5 person tent. It's hard to find a quality shelter at a good price point, but it can be done. Thanks for all you do ,Paul. Glad to see you enjoying life again!
I love that you've found a way to live your best life. Wild camping in the UK and making a bit of a living from it through your own initiative is cool.
Love this sort of content Paul, back to basics. Back to best. 👍🏼
youre videos are so bloody good man, perfect amount of production / authentic balance and you have a very nice way about you.
I REALLY researched the 3ful lanshans and decided on the lanshan 1 plus over the pro. It's double skin and can change the inners which you can't do on the pro. Plus the pro leaves massive pools of water in moist temps. The plus is slightly bigger than the standard and enough side room for bits and a pad and bag. Very informative video though! 👌
Inspired by another of your videos where you bought the Rab tarp, I found the Rab Element 2 shelter for £70 plus £20 ground cloth. Weight is 800g combined. Excited to try it out and hoping that condensation won’t be too big a deal.
Thanks again Paul for your great channel. Always worth a watch and I love that your natural warmth always comes through. Take care, Rich
I went for the Terra-Nova Southern Cross 1.
Comparatively expensive and not the lightest but 4 season,freestanding and compact pack size.
Good to see you back
Totally get the reticence with DCF, I was the same. Took the plunge a while back and bought a zpacks plex solo, with guys mine weighs in at 389g. I can fit me and all my gear inside quite comfortably. Found it quieter in wind than a tunnel tent like the ackto or abisko lite 1,though noisy in rain. Not a material for those that like privacy 🤣
I've found DCF to be really robust and you don't have to baby it at all though you do have to fold and roll and not stuff.
Particularly like the fact it doesn't absorb water so no retightening needed in rain and easy to dry/shake off in the morning. I had the 3FUL lanshan 1 pro and really liked it though bad for condensation.
Keep the videos coming 👌
Thank you for this video Paul it’s come at the right time I’m looking for a new cheap ish tent! Also it’s good to see you back making videos again
I have a DCF Duomid and adore it, seems bomb-proof, I don't get much noise from it, it doesn't sag when wet and I have no issues stuffing it away.
Great that you did this review mix. I am currently looking for a strong tent for kayaking campovers. One that can withstand high winds in pop-up rain storms. I'm in Florida where getting to land quickly for safety reasons and getting a shelter up is a very important element of kayaking. Often people who come here to camp are shocked at how wild the rainstorms are and how suddenly they appear. It's not uncommon to bank your kayak wherever you can quickly and then make your shelter until the weather clears again.
I've recently been using the DD Hammocks SuperLight A-Frame tent. It was my first experience with a trekking-pole tent and I was a bit sceptical to begin with but it really coped well with strong winds and heavy downpours, it packs down well and the inner and outer combined weight is about 1.5kg. It seems really strong and well made and is a bargain at just under £200. With the impending armageddon heatwave, I'm considering just pitching the mesh inner tent and spending a few nights camping in the back garden.
Really interesting tents. I’ve never heard of most but that’s a good thing. Nice to see more that’s on the market.
The Phoxx 1v2 is a great tent, I bought one last year (sadly there weren’t many deals at the time) managed to grab it for £80! It’s been put to work and it’s done great, quick and easy set up/takedown, I’m 6’4 and it’s a good enough tent for what you need!
I usually have a tarp set up for an area to sit if it’s wet out so I don’t need to worry about trying to sit up in the tent (it’s difficult unless you’re 5’7 and under), there isn’t s crazy amount of foot room but again it does the job it can fit a mat in with no problem! Perfect budget tent, use it for backpacking and for motorcycle camping and it hasn’t let me down yet it’s one of the two good tents I have
Another good option would be the Luxe Outdoor Hexpeak V4. Low weight, a lot of space and can handle strong winds/rain. It costs around 195 pounds.
I used the Vango Nevis 300 whilst at Silverstone a few days ago, it held up very well albiet needing a few adjustments to the end poles and that it was a bit warm inside, it was really good.
I love my lanshan 2 pro, it's a great tent at an incredible weight. That Vango Nevis is a tent I would consider too 👍great to be watching your videos again 🙂
Just done a 10 day trip in a DD Tarp Pyramid XL tent with the big inner. Performed very well even in heavy rain and a good wind, although it’s a good Idea to run some extra guys to the loop on top of the pole in heavy wind. Not perfect, gets a fair bit of condensation, but very light and flexible.
Only really a 2/3 season tent, but good value and enough room for a lightweight tent.
Your choices are excellent by the way, good no nonsense review.
I have the Vango F10 Helium UL 2. I chose it because of the 2 doors that allow perfect airflow in hot temperatures. The color theme is great for stealth camping, it's very light weight although it still has a very durable floor fabric (70D nylon). It's a great bad weather tent because the outer fly can be staked out down to the ground, while maintaining good ventilation from both ends. The F10 Helium has been around for a very long time and is still in very high demand - I found offers for used tents that sold above the MRSP.
It packs down smaller than the Nevis 200. Of course the Helium's outer material is not as durable (15D vs 75D nylon), but that's always the case with UL materials. The Helium is still great in storms because it offers an internal tie-down system for increased rigidity of the pole.
Fun fact: The outer tent can be used without the inner. That's a feature not even the manufacturer talks about.
An interesting alternative is the new Robens Chaser 2 which came out brand new in 2022. Its inner tent is basically 100 % mesh and can be used without the outer or even with half of the outer tent - overall a very versatile system.
Downsides: very thin floor material (20D nylon), only one door, not as waterproof, 9 cm longer pack size, vestibule is ~10cm more narrow, quite drafty in cold weather since the outer tent does not reach all the way down to the ground.
IMHO the F10 Helium is the ideal all-season tent for Europe.
I agree. In the hot summer and even in the snow, I've been happy with this tent
Thanks for giving some love to the Vango Nevis 100, I own it myself and for summer months it's a great option for not much cash. If I had the money I'd go for the other Vango you mentioned the F10. I've been using Vango tents for years and currently own 3 (Helvellyn 200, Mirage 200 and the Nevis 100) and they've never let me down.
Great video Paul. For me the key considerations are 1/ usage 2/ weather. If you are getting into hiking or wild camping, mainly in fair weather, for short periods of time, and not very frequently, then why spend a lot money ? The Lanshan 1 plus (longer version) gives you a lot of tent for the money. Same with the Alpkit soloist XL or the Cloud Up1. The OEX at the bottom of the list is still an incredible offering for the price, particularly if you only use it as a sleeping pod and don't intend to spend long periods of time inside. All the best.
I have the duplex and i would choose it every day over the enan. Its tough as nails and never gets wet. Its roomy, amazingly light and is perfect for long distance camping. I also have the Lanshan 2 pro which is a great tent
Good to see you back paul , one of the best by far 👍
Just wanted to say a great video. Really informative and well put together. Thank you :)
I got the Vango Nevis 200 and my friend got the oex phoxx 2 we are beginners in back packing but both tents were great on our first outing.
I have the Vango helium! Lasted me MANY years ...lots of adventures :) thanks for the summary very useful, the tent ripped last week and looking for a new one :) already rebought the fly after a curious cow incident... Inner beyond repair too now. But it was used A LOT. Thoroughly recommend!!! Going to try Lanshan now :)
Good choices out of a good range there Paul.. I have so many tents now that I have stopped looking.. I do have the helm compact 1 in my amazon basket but no rush to buy it
I have now watched this video about 4 times. I'm trying to decide on my first tent. It's impossible 🤣 but this video is very very helpful. Thanks ☺️
same boat 😅 it's really flipping hard to make the decision and press buy
@@scottyjzer3111 I've landed on a second hand Nordisk Telemark 2 tent. Big enough to be comfortable in, sit somewhat upright and have kit inside, seems easy ish to pitch, and also light weight to carry. Good luck finding what is right for you
I use the wechsel venture 1 Paul, I did loads of research and it suited me best, it's about 2kg which is avarge , the quality is really good and super stable, the next model up I think is the oxygen and that's about £300, that looks a great tent too
Hi Paul, interesting tents. My 1st was Banshee 300 which I found good for space and was sturdy but a bit big for carrying. Then got an OEX phoxx ev1 very compact, sturdy and fairly condensation free, but too low for comfort. So I got a f10 helium, sturdy, roomy but bad for condensation. I'm not getting any more tents so just going to choose what to take when I've seen a reliable weather forecast.
I recently camped west of Peebles in the Scottish borders in a Go Outdoors special offer £30 tent, normally £120. No complaints. That'll do for me. Pissed down. Zero issues.
I picked up an OEX Phoxx 1 for 55 quid, which is unbelievable value. It's well made, has a good hydrostatic head, will stay up in the wind and with its low profile and dark olive green colour is a good choice for stealth camping. If you don't have any money and don't mind sleeping in a coffin (that's pretty much what it feels like) this is the one to go for, but I wouldn't recommend it for multi day treks since it really is short on space inside. I also recently picked up an Alpkit Soloist which is very light indeed - no complaints so far after using it on three multi day outings.
Good to see some Vangos in there, good bang for ya buck. I use the Halo pro 200. Great for motorbike camping. Tryfan looks good too, better ventilation.
Great work Paul. We all love a gear video 😀
Another good video Paul. I recently returned to wild camping after 30 years absence (it was called backpacking then), and my old 1kg Rob Saunders backpacker S still worked well, but like you I need more space/ comfort now so took advantage of a sale at Terra Nova and splashed out on a Pioneer2 (better spec version of Helm2), great tent so far but is a tad over 2kg with the footprint.
It's still called backpacking...this wild camping term must be used in Britain...to me it would mean more like "cowboy camping" no tent...
I rock the phoxx 2 based off your review a while back and it just works not bothered about weight and I've done WHW and Cumbria way with it so far...so will def keep your other recommendations in mind
Hilleberg Niak is the best tent I’ve ever owned and I’ve owned a good few over the years. It is expensive but worth every penny as far as I’m concerned.
The tent video I have wanted for years - thanks
you looking good mate.. glad to see you postin
I love my MSR Hubba Hubba NX. It's stood up to some awful UK weather and condensation is very minimal.
Really intresting video Paul many thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Some great tents there sir some I’ve never even heard of 👍👍
Thanks Paul. To the point useful information!
I bought the zephyros compact 1, and I like it a lot. If i were to get another tent I would look at a lanshan.
I have a very old camping gaz bluet c200 conister stove its 50 years old but still use it for many things. And has seen a lot of service over the years.
I also have a chineese version of pocket rocket it came with a mess kit also from china. Cost abot £10.00
Works pretty well very fast boilling time. However you cant put anything heavy on it as the supports are flimsy on the stove.
Hope it helps
Some interesting choices there and some classics. Surprised the scarp didn't get a mention, I'm still loving mine 😁
Great video mate honest work you’re doing here 👍🏼
Just bought a cloud up 1 …hope to be giving it a try next week
I got the terra nova laser competition about 10 years ago and it never let me down. Still use it to this day
Fantastic tent, can pitch in ten minutes in the twilight, you can pitch with just 6 pegs. Is enough room for myself inside plus sitting up, my pack and boots in the vestibule.
Hi Paul , I have a station 13 whisper tent and a station 13 shield for winter both great tents at under £150 and real lightweight at 1.2kg and 1.6kg
Good info, Paul. Well done 👍
If I am using trekking poles, I use the Lanshan 2. If not, or if the weather is likely bad, my very trusty Snugpak Ionosphere. Both around 1.2kg, £150. Using a Naturehike Opalus 2 this weekend, 1.8kg, £170 which for me is a car camping / camp site tent.
Nice reviews…
Having owned the Vango Nevis 200 (bomber tent) and two Vango heliums ul2 (older models) , it was nice to see them getting a worthy mention,,. Still to use the Wild Country zephros but think it would be a tough shelter… thanks again. Mr Messner 👍
Which would you choose if considering the zephryos 2 and vango F10 Helium UL2?
I have several 1 man tents/shelters but the best by far....and the envy of my mates is "The Tramplite" hand made by Colin Ibbotson here in the UK, for UK conditions. The Rolls Royce of tents/shelters...not cheap but....
Thanks Paul… very helpful video 👍
Thanks again Paul. Another nice vid. Lanshan 2 for me.
I love the MSR Hubba tents. Surprised you didn't mention Terra Nova. You also have all the tarps and hammocks, you could do a whole video to last a year on shelters only, LOL
It's a minefield trying to find the right tent! I'd love something light (I don't have a car so my travels would be walking), side door(s), and a bug net at the door so I can still enjoy the view without letting the blighters in. Something tried and tested for condensation and leaks etc too. 😳
I got my Vango Bahshe 2 Pro for £70 second hand but never used. It kept me dry even with Gale force winds and heavy rain when I last walked to the Pennine Way.
Really good video.
Would definitely like to see more budget camping videos.....cheers
Thanks, seems like a decent range of tents. Still not sold on the MLD, gimme my Durston XMid any day of the week ;)
Hi. I have a Zpacks Duplex and it's seen a lot of use (at least 200 nights). So far it's given me no problems. It definitely looks and feels fragile but it's pretty tough. If you want to try one let me know. I'll send it over. Cheers.
Cheers Paul, as always a very informative video with good advice from a trust worthy bloke, its good to see you back in the game after your break from youtube. Would you consider making a video that shows us small youtubers how you got started on UA-cam and what you did to be successful, I know their is alot of videos on UA-cam that cover this topic but I think it would be good to hear your journey as a wild camper and outdoors person, cheers Stu
Thanks Paul .. an informative blog ..
I’ve got the nature hike Cloud up 2 tent, it’s an amazing 1 person tent, it’s practically bomb proof. I love it because I got a great deal on it. But if I had to buy again, I’d go for something with a side entrance and perhaps a slightly bigger vestibule. But a great tent nonetheless, I’ve also had me and a mate squashed in there for a night when it was pissing it down with rain, creates good memories.
Same here, my Cloud Up 2 is really a great companion on the trips. Light enough and the guy lines really secure it down to a little bunker. I'll always go for a 2 person tent for myself, since I wanna have my gear inside due to ticks and stuff like that.
Just bought the Cloud Up 2 during the Amazon Prime Day and so far so good. Only put it up in the garden so far. Off this weekend to test it out for the first time in the real world.
@@deanaird Sounds great, some people take extra pegs for some of the guy lines. I just group the two side guy lines and the two back ones on the same peg. Unless it's super stormy or windy then I'd take extra pegs. Pitch properly and you won't have any issues.
@@deanaird You made a good deal, have fun out there!
Thanks@@fiskmasadventures :). My 6 year old Son and I took it out this weekend for a little camping trip and it was great.
Definitely better (and bigger) than my old 1 man tent i was using lol.
Hurrah for the Enan! Great tent!
I’ve got the oex phoxx 2 and a lanshan 1 (trying it out for the first time tomorrow with a bit of cycle camping) impressed with the phoxx 2 and my only fault with it is that mine is an inner first
Great content Paul, but no mention of the MSR range. I appreciate you can’t mention every brand, but I find that for pure 3 season camping in the UK, the Hubba Hubba 1 & 2 person are a great lightweight option. Fully taped seams and an option of pitching the inner only in good weather. I do wonder why the brand didn’t get a mention. Agree about the Lanshan. I use the ‘2’ single skin and it’s a no brainier for the money. Cheers buddy x
Great video, cheers Paul.
Forclaz MT900 from Decathlon is 120 euros here and 1.3kg. Check the model if Decathlon is available in your country.Naturehike VIK1 looks really nice also for ease of use.
Fantastic vid Paul, was looking recently at the Phoxx 1 after seeing it at Go Outdoors for £49 was hilarious trying to squeeze myself in but was surprised that I did (just about) went away to think about it, as it is compact and I wondered what I’d do with all my stuff. Recently decided and got the Alpkit Soloist XL instead. I’m yet to try it out wild camping but excited to get out in it once the temperature falls slightly. If it’s good enough for Mr Beavers I’m sure it’ll more than do for my little trips. Got the footprint too which is worth getting, to pitch outer first without using your patented knot system lol
I was interested to see you mention the F10. The excellent, original Blade 100 that my dear old mum bought me a few years back when I was getting into this is sadly looking so tired, and I was considering something different since all but one of my tents is a Vango, and I have been put off lately by the terrible build quality of the family tent I bought this summer. Still, I kept finding myself drawn back to the F10. For the price and the weight, there really doesn't seem a better option, but surprisingly it's not one that there's many reviews of on here.
When I couldn't get a Phoxx 2 v2 last year I bought a Station13 Shield instead. it's served well through the winter (though I don't go out in silly weather). i couldn't any reviews on YT or web about it though - I might be the only one with one!
I've been walking the Pennine Way in sections using the Vango Nevis 200. Hasn't let me down yet. However, to save on space and weight I'm going to get the Lanshan 2 Pro for the last 130 miles.
One of the things to think about is the weight given will be changed why you buy better pegs and swap out the guylines. I am thinking about swapping out my poles for aluminium ones.
Another thing to consider is the longevity of the tent. Hillebergs generally tend to last a lot longer than cheaper tents. Over the course of 10 years or so, you’ll probably spend the same buying the Enan compared to cheaper similar models.
I got a Vango Banshee 100, one man tent off ebay, never put into production for some reason, I love it, 1.5kg and with it being a Banshee it stands up to anything thrown at it weather wise. OK it's not particularly spacious, but it's good enough for one or two nights.
Great video, maybe do a similar video for other camping equipment, sleeping systems or backpacks etc.
Great video, be interesting to see similar videos on other gear
Terra Nova Starlite 1 (or 2) could be an option. Small pack size but also small in general. More a super-bivy. Good space around the head and shoulders makes it feels much bigger than it is. Also low height so it does not catch that much wind. If you are taller than 160cm, the 2 person version weights just a bit more and has much more space. Starlite 1 is for people who need a very small pack size.
Ide love to see something like this for 2 or 3 person tents
Love how go outdoors give a crossed out price way higher that it really ever is, just to make some cheap crap look like a bargain. Best 4 season tent for under £100 imo is the Flytop. Unbelievable strength and quality given the price.
Hi Paul. Great video. I personally own the OEX V2 tent so great to see it get first pick. Its sturdy as hell and currently on it's 2nd year wild camping and not gone wrong with it yet on dartmoor.
Alas you're very correct . I'm only 5ft 4' and even I struggle with the lack of room.
Correct me if I'm wrong there is 2 person version aswell but for a slightly higher price.
Random question though is would you ever try hammocks?
Friend of mine is offering his hammock and I'm intrested. Apparently the comfort level , warmth and overall experience is far better than tents.
great video, the only tent I miss (as European) is the decathlon ultra light 1p/2p tents. it's really hard to find a reason for my why one should spend e. g. 300-500€ for brand tents like vango, vaude, big Agnes, etc.
To add, I was thinking of getting the Helium UL1 (or UL2 for that little extra space for 200g)
Great video :) Suprisingly was no MSR or Nemo tents :D How about hammock, it is shelter and where are no chanse to pitch tent you always hook around trees. Love to hear how to pick the right one for next adventure :) Cheers Paul
The best lightweight tent I ever had was a Coleman Rigel X2. It was about £50, weighed less than a kilo, took seconds to put up and rolled up so small that I'd carry it when hiking, just in case. It never let any rain in and stood up to some pretty serious wind. It was single skin so suffered from condensation, but not terribly. I really wish they'd bring that design back.
My favourite tent is my 1.6kg Saunders Fellpine that I bought for 30 quid back in 1978. It’s still going but beginning to falter and I wouldn’t trust it in high winds anymore so I’m currently using a Vango Soul 200 (£30 sale at the local garden centre!) but at 2kg it’s too heavy and bulky when packed. I only use a single trekking pole so the Lanshan 1”plus” is looking good. I also have a 2.5kg Ultimate Phazor dome from the mid 80s which I use in the winter as a base camp. Thanks for the rundown.
Saunders made some seriously good, and lightweight tents.....He was quite an innovator.
My first tent was a fellpine. I got it when I was 16 in, ahem, 1982. I think it was 80 quid. A lot of money then.
It was used in all seasons and all over Europe but gave up the ghost about 20 years ago. UV killed it.
It was a great wee tent and a budget jetpacker. I like the design and the nearest modern one I have seen to it is the Trekkertent stealth made in Scotland.
Saunders were the dogs proverbial in their day. Innovative and great customer service.
@@BrokenBackMountains I last used my fellpine in bad weather in 2019, on Suilven, with high winds and continuous light rain. The fabric was fine although the seams were leaking but the neoprene pegging loops were all cracking and a couple gave way. There are fixed pegging loops too but I prefer the flex of neoprene. I could replace the neoprene loops with short bungee cords I guess, and buy some seam sealant. But the Lanshan 1 is lighter and has a smaller packsize so, if I'm spending money, a new tent wins over patching the old one.
@@alangauld6079 I replaced the rubbers with shock cord back late 80s. My Fellpine was well used.
I'm currently waiting on a Durston xmid so will be clearing out a load of tents. I'll keep my Vango helium and my cotton F10 though.
I own a duplex Paul and although they look delicate they are a robust tent ,I've used mine in 40mph winds and it withstood it well ,suprised you didn't mention any of the Nemo tents at 200/400 pound mark as they make some very light weight and practical tents at that price point
I will be using the OEX in a couple of week as I walk the South Downs Way, will let you know how I get on
Hi Paul, love the videos. I’m just getting into wild camping again. Used to camp a lot in my younger days but life happen and the wife was never into it. Now the kids are older I’m looking at doing abit of soloing. Been thinking about the oex bobcat 1. I like the idea of a larger vestibule size for storage and cooking in bad weather. Your thoughts on this would be much appreciated. Thanks
I have an MSR Elixr 2 it’s 2.2kg and yeah a bit heavy but I love the extra space. However the elixr 1 but at around £250 complete with footprint it is in my opinion a good buy. You can also ditch the inner and use just the fly and foot print which will bring the weight down. As I said though just my opinion.
Quality video Paul!!
Hi Paul just been looking for a lightweight tent. There is so many to choose from. After a lot of thought I bought the DD pyramid Superlite tent with the full mesh inner. weight together is 1.2 kg if your all quick there on sale at tamarack £143 for both.
Luxe hexpeak should definitely be on this list
New to your channel love the content you have on here , looking at getting my gear now really for next spring..
My current backpacking tent is a North Face Stormbreak 2. It's about 1.8kg, it's enormous inside, and it's absolutely bombproof in high winds. The poles are just solid. It pitches inner first which I know people don't like, but it makes it so easy to set up. My only criticism is that it doesn't pack down as small as I'd like.
Thanks for another great vid, by the way.
How much did it cost?
@@rhys.finance About £200 but it's a huge step up in quality from OEX, etc.
I have the Naturehike Cloudup-1 and IMO it's a good tent for the money, although the price has crept up a bit since I got it (as all prices have over the last 2 years). Make sure you get the revised version though as the original had no internal pockets or light hook in the inner, and the waterproof rating was lower. Only complaint I'd have is I'd have preferred side opening rather than end opening.
Have you tried pitching it bad wind?
I've heard if you angle it right, and the wind is only coming one way, then it'll be mostly fine. But I had a bad day where the wind kept changing direction and I couldn't even get the tent up. I had to pack it away and sleep in my mate's Phoxx II with him.
I still love the tent though. I just wish it wasn't so much like a big 'sail' in the wind.
I’m only 5’7 I like the tent but found it cramped getting in and out
The thing I look for is good access in and out and room to cook if the weather turned , I’ve have the OEX and the Cloud Up 1 , I’m now searching for another though I am struggling to find what I want in a sensible carry weight . The robens pioneer and similar attract me OEX do one similar
@@lweleven3423 I do find that too. It feels a little clunky getting out of it.
What I've started doing, when using it, is having a tarpaulin as groundsheet, and I have a little extra, poking out the front (Which I'll roll under the tent, so that it doesn't catch any rain), but when I'm climbing in and out of the tent, I roll the groundsheet out, and use it as a little 'porch' for crawling out onto, rather than clumsily trying to climb out of it the normal way.
I have the first tent shown, and the only problems that there are is that its annoying to put up in the rain, and its short. Personally im pretty young and only like 5'5 so its all fine for me, but anybody taller or wider will definitely struggle. Its very water proof, as long as you put it up before it rains as it is inner sheet first, as the poles are on the inner sheet
Paul, loved the video. Really good recommendations. I started with the Vango F10 He UL2 as it gave that little bit more space than the UL1 you recommended, but then changed out for a Fjallraven Abisko Lite 1 which I am really enjoying (couldn’t guide stretch to the Hilleberg). Enjoy the channel, thank you for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻
How do these two compare? I'm thinking of upgrading to the fjallraven
@@beabarnes8432 I loved both tents. Fjallraven as a 4 season tent is more robust. It is smaller, lacks the entrance on both sides of F10, but it is a cracking tent and is now my go to.