Unfortunately the other driver died.😢 "The driver was at home on Saturday (29 June), four days after the accident, and became unwell. Whether his death was related to the accident is currently being investigated. The body has been secured for examination," the police officer points out.
He was driving the speed limit on an open two way road? Was doing nothing illegal at all. It was an accident. But yes it’s unfortunate the man passed recently and I’m sure the autopsy will explain why. May he rest in peace.
If anyone else is curious (like I was) I looked up what the speed limit for crews doing recce was. "The maximum speed allowed during Reconnaissance is 80kmh on special stages unless a lower speed limit is indicated by road signs or by written instructions in the roadbook" At all other times "Competitors must fully respect the Polish Traffic Law regulations including use seatbelts and speed limits" Which are 50kmh in build up areas, and 90kmph outside of build up areas.
80-90kph is still a lot, for a tight road like this, unpaved, driving head-on with a regular family car. I believe they didn't have to follow the lower limit of 50 there, since the accident took place far from any houses one could consider a build-up area.
Yeah, they obey the speed limits ofc but that doesn't mean driving that speed would be safe for every corner and blind crest, and the drivers always want to get the best understanding of how the road will look at race speed as legally possible. Not to mention sometimes stopping on the road to check notes and accelerating and concentrating on things to add to pacenotes while trying to look at the traffic at same time. Such a sad accident :(
I love that my country - Poland - - already known for doubtful safety during the races - has some sort of safety issue even *before* the event. It seems like it was *Not* the organizers fault - though - so here's hoping that Poland will stay on the calendar
Because they're using the road at safe and legal speeds during recce. It's already logistically challenging to close roads for the rally, closing it for what is essentially just casual traffic adds stress to both organizers and local residents.
@@RatBürgerSk8 Nobody.. literaly nobody would agree to organsie rally in their living area... local governmant would not agree...and all the people would nt agree..even rally fans.. Life must going on.
Not to be funny but I've seen some "recce" runs where they were nowhere near 49kmh (30mph). It would be interesting to know if they were "well under" the speed limit, under the recce limit and for how long before impact. On the other hand there are car crashes all the time where speed isn't a factor so it could just as easily be someone pulling out without looking.
@@qoorsix And the speed limit in Poland for public roads outside cities is 70 km/h, 50 in cities and villages. Unless they closed the road (which I assume they didn't as the other driver was there), then the legal limits should apply.
Speed limit is 90km/h on this road, nice excuse for illegal practice Yota lmao XD Zero respect for them rigth now, teams used to be banned for illegal practice on actual stage roads. The fact both cars were crashed on right hand side clearly indicates Ogier went too wide over crest and smashed into civilian car.
What illegal practice. As far as I know these are announced. If they (as stated in the video) were in the limit as the rules said, then I don't see a problem and the reason calling this illegal.
Don't they drive on the right in Poland, so how come they collided front right corner to front right corner. There's plenty of side run off for two cars to pass each other
W Polsce jeżdżą prawą stroną ,tylko Francuzi lewą.Bylem mieszkańcem przy trasie rajdu i byłem świadkiem jak jeżdżą podczas zapoznania się z trasą. To nie było zgodnie z przepisami.
Remember to ask Jonne how his Tattoo is looking and also how it to prepare a full WRC-Rally worth of stages in one night. This btw is the kind of stuff you can make real stories out of.
Thank God Ogier#17, the champ & co-driver are fine. It's a blessing in disguise to Ott#8 & Neuville#11 getting a greatly needed break from the champ; who has been spoiling for them, having already won 2 rallies. This might be the break that Hyundai team needed from Toyota, noting that KALLE#69, though a champ, has no experience on this event...all the best to Ogier & let's have fun this weekend in Poland....Twende kazi....🏴☠
Special stages in Poland and specufication of rally Poland are so similar to the Rally Finland and rally Estonia that Kale will perform good.. at least.
What happened exactly? Seems like an odd place for a frontal crash, they both had plenty of visibility but still crashed at some speed… It’s quite strange isn’t it?
@@willie1523 oh please shut up. Poles drive much better than you an your countrymen.. they drive mostly manual...in all 4 seasons..with snow, ice etc by 4 months per year.
To be within the "speed limit" here means within the rules the rally/organization requires, but I am willing to bet that both cars were going too fast (regardless of the so-called "limit") for that dirt road.
No idea what is the legal speed limit on these roads in Poland but yes I am willing to bet both were driving too fast for this road. Maybe some idiots who drive with no visibility on open road will learn from this. Even a world rally champion is not quick enough to react to this kind of situation. So please if you are not 100% certain of what is coming in front of you keep some margin.
In Poland we have 90km/h out of the cities, no matter if its paved or not. On route like that normally we go up to 60 max. Especially that in region of goldap routes are very "jumpy"
No serious injuries? i find that hard to believe, unless we're greatly raising the bar for what counts as a "serious" injury. if Ogier is unfit to drive i'd call that serious, be it a concussion or a broken hand.
At first, when they mentioned, helicopters were used to transport, I thought, it was serious accident, but now seeing pictures, it seems overreaction. It is proper crash, but nothing that serious as I thought from news.
Poland is modern and developed country with over 20 super modern Eurocopters EC-135 P2+ from Lotnicze Pogotowie Ratunkowe - Helicopter Emergency Medical Service. One of base with Ratonik 19 " Rescuer 19 is not so far away from my house. To organise rally you need secure helicopters ,ambulances, fire trucks in places from where help can arrive in minutes. That is all writen in rulles to Organise WRC, ERC and National rally event. its better to blow on cold than got hurt as we say in Poland.
Get well soon Seb! An incident like this makes me think about adjustments/reforms for the reccee session; while they may not drive by at full blast on a reccee, I think it would be prudent that the course should be closed for normal traffic regardless.
they haveGPS devices and limit is much lower than traffic rulles. when FIA and rally organiser find outspeet was above the limit they got big money penalty and can be even excluded from participation in rally.
Can someone please explain why 2 way traffic is allowed durig recces where the recce crews are clearly doing more than the official speed limit (even if they're within FIA limits)?? Even one way traffic would be dangerous, but allowing 2 way traffic is utterly bonkers. I guess FIA wants to kill WRC quite literally with all the drivers included. It is moronic. Glad to hear no serious injuries this time and hope to see them back soon. But I don't think the next recce accident will be as fortunate, whoever the victim.
Well their GPS data isn't clear with the statement of the victims which were a couple over their 60s so the Ford driver stated already that the Toyota driver was speeding too much and for avoiding collision pushed to the left. Please keep in mind that 3 years ago Ogier had an accident on the public road in Croatia as well nearly causing in danger pedestrians. Getting back to the core the old driver from Ford stated that this road was open to the public and there it was not possible to drive fast because some parts of the road were under reconstruction locally. Toyota can lie to the media if they want but if you paid enough attention to the pictures and the victim statements then everything that Toyota says is a big lie without showing the data.
He is werk every day driver its normal and natural the same on symulator becouse normal driver on road everyday unlearning sporta driving he Has more accident without SS (special stages) than on the rally chellange so its correct his moves just are adopted for bigger speed and faster reaction than on normal road or symulator.
Wait, so a racing driver is driving recklessly, crashes into a tax paying civilian on a public road and then gets hellicoptered out while the taxpayer gets driven in an ambulance? What. The. Hell.
Something stinks here. Rally organizer says that the car had a speed monitoring device, we also hear that the car was moving in street traffic so it was driving at the speed limit. Why should a car that is supposed to drive properly be monitored?
To avoid cheating (they track the cars to make sure they don't get more passes then they should) and so they can take action if the car is speeding. It is normal practice for most events.
oh please...STFU if you have no idea. during Monte carlo rally few years ago photo reporter was killed by rally car...rally continued... and next year was in calendar. During wRC rally Germany Police car was present on the road when special stage was run... no warning for organisers and next year rally germany was in caledar.. in many rallies rally drivers had crashes with local traffic users.. like in Croatia and in New Zeland during wRC rally New Zeland kwi national champion Posssum Borne ws killed in crash durring recce. bring 6-7 milions Euro to the table in organise rally in your shth-le country. Poland do their job and 2 suuperb modern helicopters Eurocopters EC-135 P2+ arrived in minutes. recce is done always in normal traffic.That plase is ver narrow gravel road..curve behind crest it is always triccky..both in rally competition and normal traffic. Contract was signed only on this year! There is no many countries and sponsors who want to pay 7 milions of Euro to organise rally.. it cost huge monay to pay for FIA and do organisation stuff..and there is no money return to the economy. and local buisness. Poland is in top 14 most visted countries. regular tourist..about 50-60 milions per year will leave more money than rally fans without souch costs. now you can GTFO
The 69-year-old man in the other vehicle involved in the accident died on Sunday, but there is no mention of this in the media.
RIP
The important thing is that all involved are, we’re told, ok. Speedy recovery to all involved.
The 69-year-old driver of mondeo is supposed to have died in the hospital today/yesterday
Fantastic content. Very concise and digestible for any fan; reporting done right.
And very brain washing. None of actual facts were presented, just white washing the incident.
Thorough report - answered every question I had , thanks
Take care, Seb!
KR69: "I just woke up and do some rally". 😎👍
Watch him win the whole thing. lol
Going pretty good so far
@@DropkickNation He did win. Kalle would win the championship again this year if he would do all the rallies.
Unfortunately the other driver died.😢 "The driver was at home on Saturday (29 June), four days after the accident, and became unwell. Whether his death was related to the accident is currently being investigated. The body has been secured for examination," the police officer points out.
I really hope he is ok 🙏
I was looking for a Ogier and Ott fight in Poland
How about the civilian Ogier crashed into while doing illegal practice?
@@versediwoman died
@@versediwhat do you mean by illegal practice?
He was driving the speed limit on an open two way road? Was doing nothing illegal at all. It was an accident. But yes it’s unfortunate the man passed recently and I’m sure the autopsy will explain why. May he rest in peace.
Today died 69years old driver who got car crash with Ogier
Glad nobody was hurt, everything else is secondary.
Good luck to Kalle and Jonne!
I also wish Elfyn and Taka a good rally as well.
Dude from the road car just died
great reporting, as aways
If anyone else is curious (like I was) I looked up what the speed limit for crews doing recce was.
"The maximum speed allowed during Reconnaissance is 80kmh on special stages unless a lower speed limit is indicated by road signs or by written instructions in the roadbook"
At all other times "Competitors must fully respect the Polish Traffic Law regulations including use seatbelts and speed limits"
Which are 50kmh in build up areas, and 90kmph outside of build up areas.
80-90kph is still a lot, for a tight road like this, unpaved, driving head-on with a regular family car. I believe they didn't have to follow the lower limit of 50 there, since the accident took place far from any houses one could consider a build-up area.
great video. we need more
Unfortunate but luckily no big injuries. Get well Seb and wish Kalle can deliver
Sometimes i wonder if recce is possibly the most dangerous part of any rally. We have certainly seen some very bad incidents over the years!
Yeah, they obey the speed limits ofc but that doesn't mean driving that speed would be safe for every corner and blind crest, and the drivers always want to get the best understanding of how the road will look at race speed as legally possible. Not to mention sometimes stopping on the road to check notes and accelerating and concentrating on things to add to pacenotes while trying to look at the traffic at same time. Such a sad accident :(
Ogier seems to have a lot of off competition incidents.
Really!
Is it 2?
With Craig Breen losing his life last thing We want is to lose the champion of champions. Thank god he's ok and Vincent
Good explanation and summary.
Hlavne zdravi
3:45 Nice
Glad everyone's ok.
BTW - Why won't Poland compete in Water Polo at the Olympics this year?
Kalle will likely surprise us 👍🏻
Yea crashing again.
@@JjanssoniYeah, whatever.
@@Jjanssonihow many world championships you have, I’d love to know !
Kalle will put it on its top again
Oh yeah! 😉💪🏻
Wow did n expect this
Car number 69? Nice.
Nice
Nice
He said in one interview, when asked why he chose number 69, that in case you flip the car, the number is still the same.
I love that my country - Poland - - already known for doubtful safety during the races - has some sort of safety issue even *before* the event.
It seems like it was *Not* the organizers fault - though - so here's hoping that Poland will stay on the calendar
eastern Europe is a bit notorious when it comes to traffic safety, and safety in general
@@MentalParadox and how in your West, dirty people lust and divide
Sad news, hope for fast recovery
Great video, with easy to understd explanations
Hope everyone is well!! But this just proves how small the world is…
I do question why the roads aren't closed for the recce. It's happened once there's no reason why it can't happen again
they know there will be other cars on the road 🤷 they've all done it countless times
Its a normal public road crash just with a really famous person, caused by human error.
Because they're using the road at safe and legal speeds during recce. It's already logistically challenging to close roads for the rally, closing it for what is essentially just casual traffic adds stress to both organizers and local residents.
you cant close whole area on almost 2 weeks. Nobody would agree to organise rally in their area - living area. People life must going on.
@@RatBürgerSk8 Nobody.. literaly nobody would agree to organsie rally in their living area... local governmant would not agree...and all the people would nt agree..even rally fans.. Life must going on.
Not to be funny but I've seen some "recce" runs where they were nowhere near 49kmh (30mph).
It would be interesting to know if they were "well under" the speed limit, under the recce limit and for how long before impact.
On the other hand there are car crashes all the time where speed isn't a factor so it could just as easily be someone pulling out without looking.
They say 49 mph or 80 kph 😉
@@qoorsix And the speed limit in Poland for public roads outside cities is 70 km/h, 50 in cities and villages. Unless they closed the road (which I assume they didn't as the other driver was there), then the legal limits should apply.
Need a reccy car for my local RallyCross events can you imagine lol
Speed limit is 90km/h on this road, nice excuse for illegal practice Yota lmao XD
Zero respect for them rigth now, teams used to be banned for illegal practice on actual stage roads.
The fact both cars were crashed on right hand side clearly indicates Ogier went too wide over crest and smashed into civilian car.
What illegal practice. As far as I know these are announced. If they (as stated in the video) were in the limit as the rules said, then I don't see a problem and the reason calling this illegal.
@@1dameister1 Mondeo driver died
Don't they drive on the right in Poland, so how come they collided front right corner to front right corner. There's plenty of side run off for two cars to pass each other
W Polsce jeżdżą prawą stroną ,tylko Francuzi lewą.Bylem mieszkańcem przy trasie rajdu i byłem świadkiem jak jeżdżą podczas zapoznania się z trasą. To nie było zgodnie z przepisami.
Remembering when we lost the great Possum Bourne in 2003, during a recce…..
Remember to ask Jonne how his Tattoo is looking and also how it to prepare a full WRC-Rally worth of stages in one night. This btw is the kind of stuff you can make real stories out of.
Thank God Ogier#17, the champ & co-driver are fine. It's a blessing in disguise to Ott#8 & Neuville#11 getting a greatly needed break from the champ; who has been spoiling for them, having already won 2 rallies. This might be the break that Hyundai team needed from Toyota, noting that KALLE#69, though a champ, has no experience on this event...all the best to Ogier & let's have fun this weekend in Poland....Twende kazi....🏴☠
Special stages in Poland and specufication of rally Poland are so similar to the Rally Finland and rally Estonia that Kale will perform good.. at least.
Lmao, KR is also a champion and more than capable.
Ott is the one who spoiled it for Ogier last rally .2
@@ThEtEcHnOsAm yeah ..but on shekedown he was 5th and hit hey roll
@@zepter00 How’s that going for you boys now 😂 1st with the least prep
What happened exactly? Seems like an odd place for a frontal crash, they both had plenty of visibility but still crashed at some speed… It’s quite strange isn’t it?
Stranger things have happened with Poles behind the wheel 💀
@@willie1523so a drunk af pole in a Mondeo smash into Seb in broad daylight?
Ogier has probably came over the blind crest and couldn't break in time as the surface was slippery.
@@willie1523 oh please shut up. Poles drive much better than you an your countrymen.. they drive mostly manual...in all 4 seasons..with snow, ice etc by 4 months per year.
curve behind crest. ..Many crashes in this place were..both in rally competition and in daily traffic.
Glad nobody got seriously injured, shame for Seb though. But the question is: how?
To be within the "speed limit" here means within the rules the rally/organization requires, but I am willing to bet that both cars were going too fast (regardless of the so-called "limit") for that dirt road.
agreed
49mph seems waaaay to fast for that road
No idea what is the legal speed limit on these roads in Poland but yes I am willing to bet both were driving too fast for this road. Maybe some idiots who drive with no visibility on open road will learn from this. Even a world rally champion is not quick enough to react to this kind of situation. So please if you are not 100% certain of what is coming in front of you keep some margin.
In Poland we have 90km/h out of the cities, no matter if its paved or not. On route like that normally we go up to 60 max. Especially that in region of goldap routes are very "jumpy"
THey hve GPS devoces and if GPS show overspeeding thay pay huge money penalty and can be even removed from participation in rally
No serious injuries?
i find that hard to believe, unless we're greatly raising the bar for what counts as a "serious" injury.
if Ogier is unfit to drive i'd call that serious, be it a concussion or a broken hand.
if theere is no diagnosed fructures. all people left hospital after few hours.
Poor Yaris. 😢
That is a very long sliding track, in the middle of the road
At first, when they mentioned, helicopters were used to transport, I thought, it was serious accident, but now seeing pictures, it seems overreaction. It is proper crash, but nothing that serious as I thought from news.
Poland is modern and developed country with over 20 super modern Eurocopters EC-135 P2+ from Lotnicze Pogotowie Ratunkowe - Helicopter Emergency Medical Service. One of base with Ratonik 19 " Rescuer 19 is not so far away from my house. To organise rally you need secure helicopters ,ambulances, fire trucks in places from where help can arrive in minutes. That is all writen in rulles to Organise WRC, ERC and National rally event. its better to blow on cold than got hurt as we say in Poland.
Kalle is a professional, and as such will be adequately prepared for the rally...!
Get well soon Seb!
An incident like this makes me think about adjustments/reforms for the reccee session; while they may not drive by at full blast on a reccee, I think it would be prudent that the course should be closed for normal traffic regardless.
I think is high time we abandon Rally format as we abandoned cit to city races like Mille Miglia in 1957
they haveGPS devices and limit is much lower than traffic rulles. when FIA and rally organiser find outspeet was above the limit they got big money penalty and can be even excluded from participation in rally.
That could have happened to anyone. Very bad luck, but they are all ok.
In this case the recce became a “wrecky” (or two, actually) 😅
Show the footage
Can someone please explain why 2 way traffic is allowed durig recces where the recce crews are clearly doing more than the official speed limit (even if they're within FIA limits)?? Even one way traffic would be dangerous, but allowing 2 way traffic is utterly bonkers. I guess FIA wants to kill WRC quite literally with all the drivers included. It is moronic.
Glad to hear no serious injuries this time and hope to see them back soon. But I don't think the next recce accident will be as fortunate, whoever the victim.
I'm sure he was under the speed limit... 🙄
A mercedes with radar stoped.
Toivonen drove with a flu & we knew what happened.
Well their GPS data isn't clear with the statement of the victims which were a couple over their 60s so the Ford driver stated already that the Toyota driver was speeding too much and for avoiding collision pushed to the left. Please keep in mind that 3 years ago Ogier had an accident on the public road in Croatia as well nearly causing in danger pedestrians. Getting back to the core the old driver from Ford stated that this road was open to the public and there it was not possible to drive fast because some parts of the road were under reconstruction locally. Toyota can lie to the media if they want but if you paid enough attention to the pictures and the victim statements then everything that Toyota says is a big lie without showing the data.
He is werk every day driver its normal and natural the same on symulator becouse normal driver on road everyday unlearning sporta driving he Has more accident without SS (special stages) than on the rally chellange so its correct his moves just are adopted for bigger speed and faster reaction than on normal road or symulator.
Wait, so a racing driver is driving recklessly, crashes into a tax paying civilian on a public road and then gets hellicoptered out while the taxpayer gets driven in an ambulance?
What. The. Hell.
This is how Possum Bourne died
This shows the danger of multipoint harness, used without hans device.
I'm sorry,but don't ALL cars have cameras on them.....!!
they have GPS deices what show location and speed to the rally organisers and FiA .
Toyota vs Ford
"What Happened?"
Proceeds to NOT explain what happened.
Then he wins with no poland practice😂
Kalle has replaced him.
Practically he can . He is a beast
Something stinks here. Rally organizer says that the car had a speed monitoring device, we also hear that the car was moving in street traffic so it was driving at the speed limit. Why should a car that is supposed to drive properly be monitored?
To avoid cheating (they track the cars to make sure they don't get more passes then they should) and so they can take action if the car is speeding. It is normal practice for most events.
Isn't Ogier supposed to be some super successful rally driver
They should scrap Recces/testing and force drivers to use their skills
crash on recce? wtf
it is uite often,, Possum Borne. New Zeland Champion died after crash during recce before WRC rally New Zeland.
とあるメーカーの工作を感じるのは私だけ？
あの国は裏工作活動日常茶飯事だもんね。
This is a typical Polish level. It is not the first time that such things happen there. Hopefully, this rally will not take place next year.
oh please...STFU if you have no idea. during Monte carlo rally few years ago photo reporter was killed by rally car...rally continued... and next year was in calendar. During wRC rally Germany Police car was present on the road when special stage was run... no warning for organisers and next year rally germany was in caledar.. in many rallies rally drivers had crashes with local traffic users.. like in Croatia and in New Zeland during wRC rally New Zeland kwi national champion Posssum Borne ws killed in crash durring recce. bring 6-7 milions Euro to the table in organise rally in your shth-le country. Poland do their job and 2 suuperb modern helicopters Eurocopters EC-135 P2+ arrived in minutes. recce is done always in normal traffic.That plase is ver narrow gravel road..curve behind crest it is always triccky..both in rally competition and normal traffic. Contract was signed only on this year! There is no many countries and sponsors who want to pay 7 milions of Euro to organise rally.. it cost huge monay to pay for FIA and do organisation stuff..and there is no money return to the economy. and local buisness. Poland is in top 14 most visted countries. regular tourist..about 50-60 milions per year will leave more money than rally fans without souch costs. now you can GTFO
Better than Africa, where they place huge boulders in the road during rally.
@@CTF33 Still better? Absolutely terrible competition.
Put him in jail a few months
Why? If he didn't break any rules then what's the problem.
@@1dameister1 The problem is that he drives rally on roads that are not closed of, that's what caused the accident
noob