I went all out this time and bought a PowerColor 7900XTX LE and to be fair Im over the moon with it and its the quitest card I have ever had. I go into the Amd software and set it to balanced mode and the hot spot never goes over 89c with the fans at around 1700rpm. Solid card, I just wish it was cheaper, although it droped £100 since I bought it but I have no regrets.
I own the "normal" 7900 XTX Red Devil, and at stock bios in COD DMZ, I'm getting peak hot spot of 94 degrees Celcius, in a Lian Li Lancool3 with 6 140mm Corsair Performance Elite fans and 3 120mm fans, same type, installed below the Red Devil. You DO need a lot of case cooling for these power draws. I ended up undervolting 1% in Redeon software, that makes a hot spot difference of about 5 degrees. Coil wine is only audible on some game menus that are not frame capped and run at like 1000 fps. In properly FPS limited menus, you can't notice the coil wine... I'm happy I kept it AMD, from my former 6950XTX Red Devil to this one was just unplug and plug the same the 3 PCIE power cables, done :) ( weird thing was that W10 and the latest 6950 driver, did not like my 7900XTX rightaway, it had to be uninstalled, reboot, install , 2 or 3 reboots, then it was done )
I have the air cooled Powercolor Red Devil and...you get similar improvement over a stock 7900XTX, albeit with higher temps/fans. Except mine was +$50 over reference price, and this is +$XXX over the reference cooler. And people have reported nice undervolts/overclocks on the reference cooler, too. Generally the GPUs that cost +$200 or more over reference just don't give you enough raw performance to justify that price, though some people might prefer to water cool or whatever.
You have to compare it price wise vs buying an air cooled card + a waterblock really. Most waterblocks for the XTX are around that $200 mark so what are you gonna do
The fact it comes with an ek water block almost makes this a no brainer for watercooled builds. the red devil is 1100+the ek red devil block is another 277. That makes that combo 1377. The liquid devil is 1400. $23 to keep your warranty and not have to instal the block yourself seems like a no brainer. (pricing was in the US, ymmv). If you dont have to pay for shipping on the liquid devil you instantly save money because shipping from ek to the us is around 20-40 bucks.
I guess at the top of the line performance/€ goes out the window and you want performance for *almost* any money. But heck even with that mindset the premium on this one is too much to justify, so much so it starts falling in line with products that are like made with gold for no other reason than "yes why not".
@@ironhelix45 EK blocks make no sense though, when you can get a cheaper bykski, higher quality similar price heatkiller, or spend more for better performance from something like Optimus. And in the US, disassembling your card cannot void the warranty anyways, just put the old cooler back on if you have to RMA it and you're fine. It's what I did when I rma'd my 3090 out of my loop.
@4fiHysteria byskie needs to have a block available to be able to use them. Right now they don't even have a 7000 category on their own website. They have one for preorder at 194. Ekwb at least has 7900 blocks available to buy and ship out now. Byskie's one block that I saw was for the sapphire nitro +. That card starts at 1200. Add the 200 for the byskie block and you are at 1400, same price as the liquid devil without the hassle of needing to install the block yourself. Also, I didn't mention that it came with the loop leak test kit. 30 bucks right there. Now I know not everyone will use that, but it is added for free. Don't get me wrong, I get that most of the time buying a pre-blocked card costs more than doing it yourself. In this case, purchasing in the US, the liquid devil makes a lot of sense because the cost of the card and block is comparable to buying the base card and base block itself. Most budget blocks that are out for the 7900xtx are for reference only. If you want an aib block your options are limited. I didn't see a heat killer block in my search, same with byskie until recently with their preorder of the sapphire nitro + block. Ekwb is a reliable brand that you can generally always trust the quality of their product. It isn't unreasonable to consider them as a gold standard of the industry. They are the only ones that I have seen with more than one aib block. Availible now, they have the Asus tuf and reference cards with the red devil cards launching at the end of March early, April. They are also the only brand that I've seen that actually has a tab for the 7000 series gpu. Not trying to shill for ekwb but when it's been 3 months since the launch of the card, and you plan on making a waterblock for the card maybe you should have a tab on your website to advertise that you are in fact going to sell blocks for that line. Edit: never heard of Optimus and just looked at their stuff, they don't even make amd card blocks, so why bring them up?
I can see watercooled cards being the future. With the size of coolers needed now surly its the cheaper option to slap a waterblock on them. Would like to see "pre built" water cooling also. So you buy a unit with rad, block, res, and they come with 4 pipes 2 for the cpu and 2 for the gpu. Just plug and play quick connect/disconnect. I know this already exists but i can see it becoming a standard with every PC.
It's also the present for me, as my reservoir (behind front rad) already prevents me to put a GPU more than 280mm long (and I have a rather big Phanteks P600S case...) 😂
@@SlavaBagmut they exist already for top end cards, but i can totally see a standardization of quick connect watercooling in the near future. thankfully AMD won't be so quick to even need it.
What's most impressive to me is that you have a super clean black table and a white cat, I have cat fur everywhere on my desktop, even cleaning everyday
It looks awesome! For me though, with that difference in price and the fact it is a strictly water cooled card, there should be a higher power limit than it has or at least the ability to increase it higher than it does without having to mod the bios. Personally the "unleashed" bios should have a bigger difference than it does. Other than that it looks to be a great card!
I received my 7900XTX Liquid Devil about 6 Months ago. I have ZERO coil whine, only time you hear the card is 1000+ FPS on blank screens while loading and even then its the quietest card I have ever had. I very much won the lottery with this card.
@@bigai-ul4icthat entirely depends on what you mean by safe? I haven't had any issues with the card at all. It depends on what you yourself are comfortable with. I am fine ripping my PC apart to do whatever needs to be done. Water cooling is very much an enthusiast thing to do. I work on PCs for a living and have 0 issues diagnosing and replacing parts or draining and filling my loop. If you aren't comfortable building a pc and doing your own troubleshooting stick to air cooled or hybrid cards. The Red Devil performs nearly identically to the liquid devil for example, without the need for maintenance.
Just use the card as it as and save the money for a future upgrade. This so called tuning to get a few fps here and there is a waste of time and is only good for those with no jobs or those on UA-cam making videos.
@@wantedyou2346 and you should shut up. Just... let people do what they want! Who cares if it's a waste of time, only people that don't have time would say that
Out of interest why choose this card? It costs the same as a 4090, is noticeably slower, uses the same power and has less features. Genuinely interested.
@@oxfordsparky I’ve only gone with AMD and I just prefer them and I need the DP 2.1. I also wanted a pre installed gpu water block for convenience and I’m coming from a rx Vega 64 so this card is already 4x more fps im not complaining.
I wonder if you could improve the coil whine using the same trick that CRT manufacturers used in the 80s and 90s: potting them in wax, or adding glue to the sides. Back then the reason for the whine was the horizontal beam deflection transformer being driven with a sawtooth wave at 15.6kHz. Would be interesting to see you add some hot glue to the sides of the inductors on a card with loud coil whine and see if it reduces it significantly. You could also try something more permanent like epoxy or cyanoacylate, although you'll probably want to try those on a cheaper card than this one!
@@sammiller6631 i have a 1300w platinum PSU, and have a brutal coil whine. It's a seasonic model, and the coil whine is terribad. Electricy is clean where i live. it's the card. (I have a liquid devil)
@@TheHighborn You should see the Guts of my Corsair AX1500i Power Supply, it's LOADED with DAM Epoxy on EVERY COIL,and I mean EVERY ONE!! They dumped a BOAT Load of that 💩! It's not Built by Seasonic,the usual OEM, but Flextronics,a HIGH END manufacturer. And it shows! NOT a SPEC out of place on this board! ANANDTECH was afraid to take that stuff apart,cause it was so THICK AND MASSIVE! They didn't want ANY WHINE out of THAT! But I LUV IT! Been on 2 Compys now,this one,my Ryzen RiG.
I grabbed a taichi 7900xtx, and planning on blocking it soon but its encouraging to see that this is pretty close to same performance, crazy tho that 2800mhz out of the box on memory
Me too. Just waiting for it to arrive but we’re very limited to water block manufacturers. I only know one but it wasn’t for the Taichi. May have to wait a couple of months.
It took me a second to understand the “MBA” terminology. Back in the day, we used “BBA” when cards were built by ATi, which some carried over after the company was acquired by another “A” company.
25C delta between core & hotspot is crazy to me, especially on a blocked card. My old 3090 Kingpin with an eVGA HydroCopper block didn't have that big of a delta, most I ever saw was 10-15C. The delta isn't even that large on the 4090 I have now, and that's air cooled lol
Just bought this card for my first custom liquid cooled PC. I agree that the coil whine on this card is pretty terrible, at least with my card it sounds louder than on the video. I'm glad that I can't hear it through my headphones, because otherwise the noise would have pivoted me towards returning the card. Temps and performance is still very good after having Strix 1080 Ti.
Just wanted to quickly say: I would love a product like the triple 8-pin power monitor you've been using in some of these videos. I've got a watt meter for the wall, but when doing things like flashing graphics card BIOS or shunt modding, having a clean power reading from just the component you care about would be awesome. Not to mention the 180-degree angle on the device for the cables; with some kind of cover, it might even make my build look better 😅
I came from Red Devil 6900XT on which I put an Alphacool block. The upgrade path competition was between Liquid Devil 7900XTX and iChill Frostbite RTX4090. Went for the latter due to 2x the RT performance, better upscaling and Frame Generation. The price difference in Asia was only 250€ so it made sense. Frostbite has a 450W PL, however it can still be OC'd around 7% by upping the voltage to 1.1mv, and the clocks stay at 3.065ghz consistently at +130mhz core, memory did a solid +800mhz, passing the Port Royal stress test of 30 loops. Temps stay under 63C at worst case scenario, hotspot 75C, most of the time 45-55C core and 55-65C hotspot. No coil whine after the first two weeks of screaming like a pig. Just justifying my choice aloud on the internet! :D
I was on the fence on buying a second hand nVidia or a brand new RX5700XT, a few years back now. I purchased the Powercolor Red Devil and have to say I was impressed even back then. It is still running perfectly in my Misses PC, around 100FPS with Rust at max settings. Powercolor do make nice cards.
1060mV +15%PL GPU-2850 Mem-2800 was the end stable result with a reference with 2pci-e on water. Mine pulls on average 325w during games. I think the 7900xtx just works so well with water cooling.
I have been waiting for someone to do this test and teardown. Thank goodness it was you. I have the air-cooled Red Devil 7900 XTX and similar performance and clocks. Are there any other benefits of this version other than thermals? I guess maybe smaller profile?
Awesome!! Guess I’m going with the nitro + (vs the pulse or reference) wasn’t sure if the extra money would equal any performance improvements. This shows it’s plausible and that’s all the encouragement I need 😂
Think about the extra performance per $. The AIB cards generally all undervolt/overclock well as is, so the gap between say a $1,050 card and a $1,200 card is likely very little (silicon lottery applying, of course). The "guaranteed" overclocks on all these AIBs are all much smaller than a simple undervolt on a reference card.
I am glad JayzTwoCents showed temps and delta on he's card confirming my temps are about normal, @derbauer do not be afraid to show exact temps including room temp water temp etc its still very useful, and i am well aware at 30c room temp temps go up least 9 to 10c on atleast the hotspot
If the trend continues for high power/high heat cards, it will be surprising if air cooled cards (at least at the higher tiers) will continue to be made. It does seem like we are due for a technology change though, or graphics cards will need their own cases and psu's.
The EU wants to ban ICE cars and such but in reality they should create a hard cap on computers power draw to be honest. Like 400-500W maximum for a gaming prebuilt and such. Maybe then the devs will actually learn doing their job properly in optimizing the games, utilizing the available threads and stop with crappy ports.
@@joshtheking1772 that's where UA-camrs blur content vs usage, it confuses ppl because like you said product's like these are niche but makes for great content when comparing
@@puciohenzap891 if that is enforced, the only thing you will get is like with 85% guns in the US, where a manufacturer sells you a mostly complete kit to assemble the gun yourself. Just ship the PC and the GPU separately as different purchases. Also if you think gaming companies that do crappy ports do anything more than crappy ports you are sorely mistaken. The most they will do is not make the port at all so the game becomes console-only. To be fair I'm fine either way, most crappy port games are trash with microtransactions and season passes that I'm happy to leave to the plebs on consoles
Hey Roman, had you considered for your WireView thing having the display press-fit into connectors similar to how the Raspberry Pi CU does attachment to other boards? It would permit use of the same display unit across multiple power boards so that less material could be required overall. If I am wrong about this, I am sure your audience will let me know.
It may be the glue/underfill is there to protect in case someone uses too much liquid metal replacing the standard paste. If it trips, it would more likely drip that direction?
Is it a good card? Yes, thats evident. Now benchmarks are one thing and actual, everyday, use is another. What im looking at, according to the benchmarks, is Consistency. This card has it in spades. Im really impressed. I do think the price tag is a little high though. Its a consideration but I do think there is better value out there, at least at this moment. Power Color has come a real long way. Im just having a hard time justifying the cost, but, all GPU's are just too expensive at the moment. Ill wait.
well, the liquid devil isnt realy a card made for everyone. its more like a card for the red devil fans, who wants to spend the money for a liquid devil...that beeing sayed, its a beauty!
Installed this card yesterday. After tinkering last night I've discovered this liquid devil undervolts a lot more than the 7900xtx red devil it replaces (got tired of waiting for a water block). Which means it OC's higher. 100 shy of 28k in time spy so far and creeping up. Down to 1110mv. Previous card wasn't stable under 1130mv. Don't currently have 5950x fully maxed so I'm sure I'll go over 28k later when I get back to it.
When you go below 3300mhz@1050v, we'll talk. My nitro+ works on these settings in modern warfare 2. But for RT games I have to lower the voltage to around 1085v
I just installed the liquid devil 7900XTX and noticed that power color didn't install pads on the chokes. There's enough room between the block and the chokes to install them. Weird. I'll be adding pads and repasting tomorrow. I'm willing to bet that coil whine goes way down. Also, without touching settings I'm scoring 31200 in timespy. Boost clocks hit 2900MHz default on Unleashed BIOS. Pretty happy with this GPU, I'm waiting for a replacement from AsRock as I received a faulty GPU in the Aqua OC version. That card hits 3300MHz with the extreme vBIOS no OC but, it draws 530-580W when doing so. I'll play with the values on that one too when the replacement arrives
I've thoroughly searched through most 7900xtx's and the strongest one I've witnessed was the sapphire nitro+ as it's over locking sets it often to the 4090 in benchmarks.
Interesting how the EK logo looks very much like the PowerColor logo on its side. Wonder if that played any role in the partnership and should definitely play a role in marketing!
Yes. I thought the "pictograms" from the EK are clear to everyone. But no, it turns out that the great derbauer is so "alternatively talented" that he did not understand them !!! The EK logo is an ARROW. showing "inside", and the "owl" logo is like an "out" arrow
One thing that can also be improved is location for water entry/exit into the water block. Waterblock's slot size or length in most cases isn't issue will it fit insade smaller cases, but problem is width. My question is why not separate those entry/exit points by moving water entrance to top left corner, and exit to bottom right corner, that way even if GPU is vertical mounted or regular, water can have natural flow. + Width of card is reduced.
Also if they added one more power connector, why wouldn't be possible to have them put at end of GPU, instead of traditional way on side ? That way it would even further reduce width of GPU.
errrm it was already in unleashed out of the box at 3915, you put it into oc thats why it dropped to 3015........ you moved the switch left........ watch at 5:12
Exactly what i was thinking. Mine cane in unleashed and i saw someone else stating the same thing on another channel that was overclocking this.
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Great review. I'm not sure it is the best 7900 xtx out there, My own Nitro+ makes 98.43 fps if I use the OC setting (91.77 on std settings) in Adrenalin - on AIR! This was just a quick test - I assume manual OC would be better - and I assume it will become better when I get it on water some day in the future.
Being able to buy a GPU which comes with a pre-installed water block is hugely attractive. As you say, people building their first custom water-loop especially, but most people will be nervous of breaking a hugely expensive graphics card (especially an RTX4090) by being terrified of making a mistake which invalidates the warranty whilst installing one themselves. Buying it pre-installed also saves on the e-waste, as there is no redundant fans & cooling blocks wasted, & so it's better for the environment & your wallet. I'm hoping the Asus Rog Strix will partner with EK again because I would love to buy one of their RTX4090 which is pre-installed with dual active (front & back) water blocks; no matter how much extra cooling the active backplate makes, esthetically it looks MUCH nicer when the GPU is installed in the regular way & so is worth the extra expenseof an active backplate, with RGB.
They should be making GPU + AIO preinstalled, there are so many ways to destroy your hardware that isn't covered by warranty when doing a custom water cooling loop that getting a card with a preinstalled waterblock doesn't make it that much safer
Another amazing video. And, as an American, I always double-clutch when I see a comma used as a decimal. 😂 Some day, I might build a custom watercooled PC.
@@ZAGAN-OZ Yes. But how? AMD I don't think uses a resistor to measure current draw, so can't just solder that? Can the power controller chip be reconfigured, like on the radeon 6 series?
Roman, As an owner of the 6900 XT Liquid devil, my main issue wtih these version of EK blocks are the glued on metal decals covering all the block screws. If you ever need to disassemble the block to clean it. Its a 1 way trip to destroying the metal decals. Not even a heatgun can help as the tempreature you need to melt the glue also melts the acrylic. :( RIP design. But i will say atleast my new Alphacool red devil block fits my liquid devil card perfectly and it performs better than the EK block. ;)
I wonder if this would fit in cases like the Hyte Y60? That is the case I am currently using and with the 7900 XT it gets close to the glass where there might not be room for the water fittings.
It’s not the same look on the block. I understand what he’s saying. I’m just mad that ek hasn’t sent my red devil block it yet after delaying the pre order delayed twice.
Hello Roman. Thank you for the video. I disagree about leak tester being a nice addition. I don't believe it's free. It's always calculated within product's price. I don't have any data to prove it, but I think people buying that kind of products already have some kind of leak tester, or simply do not care. In majority of cases that's just a waste of our planet's resources.
Quick note, in the video when you are showing graphs of frequencies, the Y-axis reads "Power Draw in W", it took me a few blinks to reset my brain and figure out that this doesn't mean I need a 3 kilowatt power supply :')
Takes a bit until all air is gone. There is no measurable impact by this though. 99% of the heat is dissipated over the thin cooling channels and there will be no air.
@@der8auer-en Okay, thanks for the insights. Changing subject but, regarding the card being power limited : The +300MHz on the core implies the GPU used for the card is heavily binned (as it should be, for the price...), so maybe you could squeeze even more performance by undervolting the card : AMD having a tendency to grossly overestimate their GPU stock voltages.
Is it bad to run a block reversed like that? I never even thought about that before lol. I have the asrock phantom gaming 7900xtx that I just put on an alphacool waterblock and I love it!
Where van you buy the 2x8p version of wire view? I love how it looks. I wonder what would have happened with this card if you lowered the target voltage like 50-100mv.since since you are still power limited it would be very interesting to see if you can hit 3000MHz+ with the low temps it might be possible. The clock curve will be steeper. Just like with RDNA2 you would want to stay below the power limit on RDNA3 to keep the clockspeed predictable and constant looking at what the cards I tested could run with the stock MBA cooler and power limits 3GHz should be possible with this card if you tweak it to the limit by also Undervolting it a little.
PowerColor is my absolute favorite brand. Top notch build quality, good prices, good warranty.
PowerColor is from Zotac int it?
I went all out this time and bought a PowerColor 7900XTX LE and to be fair Im over the moon with it and its the quitest card I have ever had. I go into the Amd software and set it to balanced mode and the hot spot never goes over 89c with the fans at around 1700rpm. Solid card, I just wish it was cheaper, although it droped £100 since I bought it but I have no regrets.
Any coil whine?
@@TheTick20001 Not a note of Choil Whine and to be honest, I was expecting it but I got lucky.
@@Nite-Lite-Gamers Good to hear (or not as the case may be!)
I own the "normal" 7900 XTX Red Devil, and at stock bios in COD DMZ, I'm getting peak hot spot of 94 degrees Celcius, in a Lian Li Lancool3 with 6 140mm Corsair Performance Elite fans and 3 120mm fans, same type, installed below the Red Devil. You DO need a lot of case cooling for these power draws. I ended up undervolting 1% in Redeon software, that makes a hot spot difference of about 5 degrees. Coil wine is only audible on some game menus that are not frame capped and run at like 1000 fps. In properly FPS limited menus, you can't notice the coil wine... I'm happy I kept it AMD, from my former 6950XTX Red Devil to this one was just unplug and plug the same the 3 PCIE power cables, done :)
( weird thing was that W10 and the latest 6950 driver, did not like my 7900XTX rightaway, it had to be uninstalled, reboot, install , 2 or 3 reboots, then it was done )
Undervolt it and get better performance with less heat.
'normal' is the hassle free edition honestly, wc has low temp treshold (you have to keep things
gpu only, cpu same temp
I really like PowerColor's Devil logo. It's so simple and clean.
Thanks!
I have a 6900x liquid devil, love it. want to get one of those triple 8-pin 180s with the readout, I like the clean look.
6900 xt x had one problem, locked memory. After overclocking, it did not have such gains as the 7900xtx. That's probably why the 6950xt appeared ;)
@@rENEGADE666JEDI I have an LC bios on mine, lets me clock memory to 2400.
I have the air cooled Powercolor Red Devil and...you get similar improvement over a stock 7900XTX, albeit with higher temps/fans. Except mine was +$50 over reference price, and this is +$XXX over the reference cooler. And people have reported nice undervolts/overclocks on the reference cooler, too.
Generally the GPUs that cost +$200 or more over reference just don't give you enough raw performance to justify that price, though some people might prefer to water cool or whatever.
You have to compare it price wise vs buying an air cooled card + a waterblock really. Most waterblocks for the XTX are around that $200 mark so what are you gonna do
The fact it comes with an ek water block almost makes this a no brainer for watercooled builds. the red devil is 1100+the ek red devil block is another 277. That makes that combo 1377. The liquid devil is 1400. $23 to keep your warranty and not have to instal the block yourself seems like a no brainer. (pricing was in the US, ymmv). If you dont have to pay for shipping on the liquid devil you instantly save money because shipping from ek to the us is around 20-40 bucks.
I guess at the top of the line performance/€ goes out the window and you want performance for *almost* any money. But heck even with that mindset the premium on this one is too much to justify, so much so it starts falling in line with products that are like made with gold for no other reason than "yes why not".
@@ironhelix45 EK blocks make no sense though, when you can get a cheaper bykski, higher quality similar price heatkiller, or spend more for better performance from something like Optimus.
And in the US, disassembling your card cannot void the warranty anyways, just put the old cooler back on if you have to RMA it and you're fine. It's what I did when I rma'd my 3090 out of my loop.
@4fiHysteria byskie needs to have a block available to be able to use them. Right now they don't even have a 7000 category on their own website. They have one for preorder at 194. Ekwb at least has 7900 blocks available to buy and ship out now. Byskie's one block that I saw was for the sapphire nitro +. That card starts at 1200. Add the 200 for the byskie block and you are at 1400, same price as the liquid devil without the hassle of needing to install the block yourself. Also, I didn't mention that it came with the loop leak test kit. 30 bucks right there. Now I know not everyone will use that, but it is added for free. Don't get me wrong, I get that most of the time buying a pre-blocked card costs more than doing it yourself. In this case, purchasing in the US, the liquid devil makes a lot of sense because the cost of the card and block is comparable to buying the base card and base block itself. Most budget blocks that are out for the 7900xtx are for reference only. If you want an aib block your options are limited. I didn't see a heat killer block in my search, same with byskie until recently with their preorder of the sapphire nitro + block. Ekwb is a reliable brand that you can generally always trust the quality of their product. It isn't unreasonable to consider them as a gold standard of the industry. They are the only ones that I have seen with more than one aib block. Availible now, they have the Asus tuf and reference cards with the red devil cards launching at the end of March early, April. They are also the only brand that I've seen that actually has a tab for the 7000 series gpu. Not trying to shill for ekwb but when it's been 3 months since the launch of the card, and you plan on making a waterblock for the card maybe you should have a tab on your website to advertise that you are in fact going to sell blocks for that line.
Edit: never heard of Optimus and just looked at their stuff, they don't even make amd card blocks, so why bring them up?
Sheikh and Makita seemed impressed with it too; high praise indeed.
I'm so looking forward to using this card. Just have to finish my build!!
I can see watercooled cards being the future. With the size of coolers needed now surly its the cheaper option to slap a waterblock on them. Would like to see "pre built" water cooling also. So you buy a unit with rad, block, res, and they come with 4 pipes 2 for the cpu and 2 for the gpu. Just plug and play quick connect/disconnect. I know this already exists but i can see it becoming a standard with every PC.
It's also the present for me, as my reservoir (behind front rad) already prevents me to put a GPU more than 280mm long (and I have a rather big Phanteks P600S case...) 😂
I am not looking at spending extra 50% to get water cooled card
It exists for CPU only (AIO) we need the same solution for GPU. Right now it requires custom water cooling.
@@GewelReal Depends on what base price your 50% came from. You can buy the cheapest "reference card" you can find, and slap a WB on it.
@@SlavaBagmut they exist already for top end cards, but i can totally see a standardization of quick connect watercooling in the near future. thankfully AMD won't be so quick to even need it.
What's most impressive to me is that you have a super clean black table and a white cat, I have cat fur everywhere on my desktop, even cleaning everyday
Impressive its always nice to see what the top end can do by one of the best. Much Appreciated.👌👌😁😁
Your very fortunate to have such good supervisors on scene 🐈😻
It looks awesome! For me though, with that difference in price and the fact it is a strictly water cooled card, there should be a higher power limit than it has or at least the ability to increase it higher than it does without having to mod the bios. Personally the "unleashed" bios should have a bigger difference than it does. Other than that it looks to be a great card!
I received my 7900XTX Liquid Devil about 6 Months ago. I have ZERO coil whine, only time you hear the card is 1000+ FPS on blank screens while loading and even then its the quietest card I have ever had. I very much won the lottery with this card.
Hey, I was wondering if getting a liquid cooled card is safe long term now that it's been a 10 months since you got it.
@@bigai-ul4icthat entirely depends on what you mean by safe? I haven't had any issues with the card at all. It depends on what you yourself are comfortable with. I am fine ripping my PC apart to do whatever needs to be done. Water cooling is very much an enthusiast thing to do. I work on PCs for a living and have 0 issues diagnosing and replacing parts or draining and filling my loop. If you aren't comfortable building a pc and doing your own troubleshooting stick to air cooled or hybrid cards. The Red Devil performs nearly identically to the liquid devil for example, without the need for maintenance.
That's a crazy performance improvement, I'd like to see further tuning.
They always do that
Just use the card as it as and save the money for a future upgrade. This so called tuning to get a few fps here and there is a waste of time and is only good for those with no jobs or those on UA-cam making videos.
@@wantedyou2346 and you should shut up.
Just... let people do what they want! Who cares if it's a waste of time, only people that don't have time would say that
@@wantedyou2346 look at me I'm going to tell people what they should and shouldnt find worthwhile to them
@@wantedyou2346 that''s some fucking stupid advice. Why would you not squeeze free performance out of your card?
As always Der8auer delivering quality review
Wow what timing! I legit just bought myself this
Target audience / perfect, you are the ultimate proof.
Out of interest why choose this card? It costs the same as a 4090, is noticeably slower, uses the same power and has less features.
Genuinely interested.
Hope you enjoy it. This is a gaming moment 😎
@@oxfordsparky I’ve only gone with AMD and I just prefer them and I need the DP 2.1. I also wanted a pre installed gpu water block for convenience and I’m coming from a rx Vega 64 so this card is already 4x more fps im not complaining.
You need dp2.1 for what exactly?
I wonder if you could improve the coil whine using the same trick that CRT manufacturers used in the 80s and 90s: potting them in wax, or adding glue to the sides. Back then the reason for the whine was the horizontal beam deflection transformer being driven with a sawtooth wave at 15.6kHz. Would be interesting to see you add some hot glue to the sides of the inductors on a card with loud coil whine and see if it reduces it significantly. You could also try something more permanent like epoxy or cyanoacylate, although you'll probably want to try those on a cheaper card than this one!
You could improve the coil whine using a better power supply or a neighborhood with cleaner power at the wall socket.
@@sammiller6631 i have a 1300w platinum PSU, and have a brutal coil whine. It's a seasonic model, and the coil whine is terribad. Electricy is clean where i live. it's the card. (I have a liquid devil)
@@TheHighborn You should see the Guts of my Corsair AX1500i Power Supply, it's LOADED with DAM Epoxy on EVERY COIL,and I mean EVERY ONE!! They dumped a BOAT Load of that 💩! It's not Built by Seasonic,the usual OEM, but Flextronics,a HIGH END manufacturer. And it shows! NOT a SPEC out of place on this board! ANANDTECH was afraid to take that stuff apart,cause it was so THICK AND MASSIVE! They didn't want ANY WHINE out of THAT! But I LUV IT! Been on 2 Compys now,this one,my Ryzen RiG.
I grabbed a taichi 7900xtx, and planning on blocking it soon but its encouraging to see that this is pretty close to same performance, crazy tho that 2800mhz out of the box on memory
Me too. Just waiting for it to arrive but we’re very limited to water block manufacturers. I only know one but it wasn’t for the Taichi. May have to wait a couple of months.
Amazing video
Really like to see more memory tuning and benchmarks with this card
Now I want to build a system around this!
Great video,
I would've liked a performance comparison between that and a Sapphire nitro plus AIB version of 7900xtx in that chart as well. Thanx
It took me a second to understand the “MBA” terminology. Back in the day, we used “BBA” when cards were built by ATi, which some carried over after the company was acquired by another “A” company.
Was considering this card when i had my loop. Love power colour and their Red Devil line
Thanks for awesome review sir! Can't wait to buy this card at half price in a year or two lol
Amazing..performance improvement..👍
Just got this card. It’s an absolute beast
25C delta between core & hotspot is crazy to me, especially on a blocked card. My old 3090 Kingpin with an eVGA HydroCopper block didn't have that big of a delta, most I ever saw was 10-15C.
The delta isn't even that large on the 4090 I have now, and that's air cooled lol
Just bought this card for my first custom liquid cooled PC. I agree that the coil whine on this card is pretty terrible, at least with my card it sounds louder than on the video. I'm glad that I can't hear it through my headphones, because otherwise the noise would have pivoted me towards returning the card. Temps and performance is still very good after having Strix 1080 Ti.
Where u getting this card from ? I can not find it any where
@@kyleboi76 From Jimms in Finland. Proshop too has stock. Dont know about US.
@@eliaskauppi7888 Cheers am in the uk been trying to get my hands on a aqua or this but they is nothing they aint even listed
Just wanted to quickly say: I would love a product like the triple 8-pin power monitor you've been using in some of these videos. I've got a watt meter for the wall, but when doing things like flashing graphics card BIOS or shunt modding, having a clean power reading from just the component you care about would be awesome. Not to mention the 180-degree angle on the device for the cables; with some kind of cover, it might even make my build look better 😅
Yep, me too!.
I can't find one, did he make it?
@@sategllib2191 He says in the video that it's still a prototype.
I would say the XFX Merc 7900XTX is the best Air cooled card I have owned. Temps are always below 61c
FOR 1440P maybe, but when I go 4k it gets hot. 78 on the core and 92 on the hotspot.
@@hoseinqadam I will test. But my 3080Ti always ran at 78-80c at 1440p.
@@hoseinqadam 78C is still a very good temp for a GPU under heavy load.
DXR on tends to increase the temps by 30 degrees.
That's the card I've been looking at
Love the video What quick disconnects are you using?? Cheers
That's a nice looking block
Awesome card, love the GPU power display too, have you thought of doing one for CPU power?
I came from Red Devil 6900XT on which I put an Alphacool block. The upgrade path competition was between Liquid Devil 7900XTX and iChill Frostbite RTX4090. Went for the latter due to 2x the RT performance, better upscaling and Frame Generation. The price difference in Asia was only 250€ so it made sense.
Frostbite has a 450W PL, however it can still be OC'd around 7% by upping the voltage to 1.1mv, and the clocks stay at 3.065ghz consistently at +130mhz core, memory did a solid +800mhz, passing the Port Royal stress test of 30 loops. Temps stay under 63C at worst case scenario, hotspot 75C, most of the time 45-55C core and 55-65C hotspot. No coil whine after the first two weeks of screaming like a pig.
Just justifying my choice aloud on the internet! :D
I love my 5700 xt liquid devil. This is gonna be my next upgrade hopefully soon
I don't know why, but the simple touch of having the LED shine through the acrylic plate, via the eyes, made me giddy. 😂
I was on the fence on buying a second hand nVidia or a brand new RX5700XT, a few years back now. I purchased the Powercolor Red Devil and have to say I was impressed even back then. It is still running perfectly in my Misses PC, around 100FPS with Rust at max settings. Powercolor do make nice cards.
1060mV +15%PL GPU-2850 Mem-2800 was the end stable result with a reference with 2pci-e on water. Mine pulls on average 325w during games. I think the 7900xtx just works so well with water cooling.
Roman, will you be able to compare this to the AsRock Aqua 7900xtx?
i didnt knew you could put the word best and the word power color together in a phrase like this
I have been waiting for someone to do this test and teardown. Thank goodness it was you. I have the air-cooled Red Devil 7900 XTX and similar performance and clocks. Are there any other benefits of this version other than thermals? I guess maybe smaller profile?
Awesome!! Guess I’m going with the nitro + (vs the pulse or reference) wasn’t sure if the extra money would equal any performance improvements. This shows it’s plausible and that’s all the encouragement I need 😂
Think about the extra performance per $. The AIB cards generally all undervolt/overclock well as is, so the gap between say a $1,050 card and a $1,200 card is likely very little (silicon lottery applying, of course). The "guaranteed" overclocks on all these AIBs are all much smaller than a simple undervolt on a reference card.
@@HappyHubris yeah, not going go get that much performance improvement over another aib card, but there's something to say for aesthetics
Is it worth that a reference pcb variant + ek waterbllock?
I am glad JayzTwoCents showed temps and delta on he's card confirming my temps are about normal, @derbauer do not be afraid to show exact temps including room temp water temp etc its still very useful, and i am well aware at 30c room temp temps go up least 9 to 10c on atleast the hotspot
If the trend continues for high power/high heat cards, it will be surprising if air cooled cards (at least at the higher tiers) will continue to be made. It does seem like we are due for a technology change though, or graphics cards will need their own cases and psu's.
The EU wants to ban ICE cars and such but in reality they should create a hard cap on computers power draw to be honest. Like 400-500W maximum for a gaming prebuilt and such.
Maybe then the devs will actually learn doing their job properly in optimizing the games, utilizing the available threads and stop with crappy ports.
@@puciohenzap891 its the wild west when it comes to all of this stuff , I feel devs gave up and hope for brute force on theyre games now
Its not built or designed to be compared to air cooled cards though.
@@joshtheking1772 that's where UA-camrs blur content vs usage, it confuses ppl because like you said product's like these are niche but makes for great content when comparing
@@puciohenzap891 if that is enforced, the only thing you will get is like with 85% guns in the US, where a manufacturer sells you a mostly complete kit to assemble the gun yourself. Just ship the PC and the GPU separately as different purchases.
Also if you think gaming companies that do crappy ports do anything more than crappy ports you are sorely mistaken. The most they will do is not make the port at all so the game becomes console-only.
To be fair I'm fine either way, most crappy port games are trash with microtransactions and season passes that I'm happy to leave to the plebs on consoles
Quite a sweet looking card, especially since it is a true single slot even with the tall pice -> fittings distance.
Great video - whats the difference between the Powercolor red devil air cooled bios and the water cooled bios?
Hey Roman, had you considered for your WireView thing having the display press-fit into connectors similar to how the Raspberry Pi CU does attachment to other boards? It would permit use of the same display unit across multiple power boards so that less material could be required overall. If I am wrong about this, I am sure your audience will let me know.
This card looks beautiful
Mine arrives tomorrow, I was one of the first to leak this when it went on sale
It may be the glue/underfill is there to protect in case someone uses too much liquid metal replacing the standard paste. If it trips, it would more likely drip that direction?
Is it a good card? Yes, thats evident. Now benchmarks are one thing and actual, everyday, use is another. What im looking at, according to the benchmarks, is Consistency. This card has it in spades. Im really impressed. I do think the price tag is a little high though. Its a consideration but I do think there is better value out there, at least at this moment. Power Color has come a real long way. Im just having a hard time justifying the cost, but, all GPU's are just too expensive at the moment. Ill wait.
well, the liquid devil isnt realy a card made for everyone. its more like a card for the red devil fans, who wants to spend the money for a liquid devil...that beeing sayed, its a beauty!
This is a really well designed card, now the challenge is to design a power stage that would not have coilwhine!
Installed this card yesterday. After tinkering last night I've discovered this liquid devil undervolts a lot more than the 7900xtx red devil it replaces (got tired of waiting for a water block). Which means it OC's higher. 100 shy of 28k in time spy so far and creeping up. Down to 1110mv. Previous card wasn't stable under 1130mv. Don't currently have 5950x fully maxed so I'm sure I'll go over 28k later when I get back to it.
When you go below 3300mhz@1050v, we'll talk. My nitro+ works on these settings in modern warfare 2. But for RT games I have to lower the voltage to around 1085v
I just installed the liquid devil 7900XTX and noticed that power color didn't install pads on the chokes. There's enough room between the block and the chokes to install them. Weird. I'll be adding pads and repasting tomorrow. I'm willing to bet that coil whine goes way down. Also, without touching settings I'm scoring 31200 in timespy. Boost clocks hit 2900MHz default on Unleashed BIOS. Pretty happy with this GPU, I'm waiting for a replacement from AsRock as I received a faulty GPU in the Aqua OC version. That card hits 3300MHz with the extreme vBIOS no OC but, it draws 530-580W when doing so. I'll play with the values on that one too when the replacement arrives
I'm having similar results with an Asus Reference card and a Alphacool block. So far I'm quite happy with the card on water
temperatures under serious load? Derauer: no, I won’t show you!
Liquid devil cards have always been cool. Badumtss.
These cards are like the hyper-car posters you'd have as a kid. Maybe when I grow up to 75 I might be able to afford one.
I would like to see a custom waterblock on the ASRock phantom to compare this to.
I've thoroughly searched through most 7900xtx's and the strongest one I've witnessed was the sapphire nitro+ as it's over locking sets it often to the 4090 in benchmarks.
Sapphire still leading for AMD card since ATI brand name till now. The quality are top and cooling at the same, board and finish very best.
@@TieuBachBach true about the ATI brand.
Interesting how the EK logo looks very much like the PowerColor logo on its side. Wonder if that played any role in the partnership and should definitely play a role in marketing!
might be
Haha I never realized the logo thing until you mentioned it. There should be a miniature devil logo next to the EK logo on the bottom right
Yes. I thought the "pictograms" from the EK are clear to everyone. But no, it turns out that the great derbauer is so "alternatively talented" that he did not understand them !!! The EK logo is an ARROW. showing "inside", and the "owl" logo is like an "out" arrow
One thing that can also be improved is location for water entry/exit into the water block. Waterblock's slot size or length in most cases isn't issue will it fit insade smaller cases, but problem is width. My question is why not separate those entry/exit points by moving water entrance to top left corner, and exit to bottom right corner, that way even if GPU is vertical mounted or regular, water can have natural flow. + Width of card is reduced.
Also if they added one more power connector, why wouldn't be possible to have them put at end of GPU, instead of traditional way on side ? That way it would even further reduce width of GPU.
as long as the coil whine doesn't affect performance or durability I don't mind it, I think the card sounds great
errrm it was already in unleashed out of the box at 3915, you put it into oc thats why it dropped to 3015........ you moved the switch left........ watch at 5:12
Exactly what i was thinking. Mine cane in unleashed and i saw someone else stating the same thing on another channel that was overclocking this.
Great review.
I'm not sure it is the best 7900 xtx out there, My own Nitro+ makes 98.43 fps if I use the OC setting (91.77 on std settings) in Adrenalin - on AIR!
This was just a quick test - I assume manual OC would be better - and I assume it will become better when I get it on water some day in the future.
My 7900xtx from ASrock Taichi do 97,01 fps with normal settings and 107,32 fps with OC :)
3:30 how can he tell about the flow direction from what we’re seeing here? How can he tell it’s wrong? Would appreciate a reply. Ty.
Being able to buy a GPU which comes with a pre-installed water block is hugely attractive. As you say, people building their first custom water-loop especially, but most people will be nervous of breaking a hugely expensive graphics card (especially an RTX4090) by being terrified of making a mistake which invalidates the warranty whilst installing one themselves. Buying it pre-installed also saves on the e-waste, as there is no redundant fans & cooling blocks wasted, & so it's better for the environment & your wallet.
I'm hoping the Asus Rog Strix will partner with EK again because I would love to buy one of their RTX4090 which is pre-installed with dual active (front & back) water blocks; no matter how much extra cooling the active backplate makes, esthetically it looks MUCH nicer when the GPU is installed in the regular way & so is worth the extra expenseof an active backplate, with RGB.
They should be making GPU + AIO preinstalled, there are so many ways to destroy your hardware that isn't covered by warranty when doing a custom water cooling loop that getting a card with a preinstalled waterblock doesn't make it that much safer
Another amazing video. And, as an American, I always double-clutch when I see a comma used as a decimal. 😂 Some day, I might build a custom watercooled PC.
Look forward to liquid cooled Nitro+
Great video as always. Not that it matters but your clock speed comparison graph has wrong Y axis label.
Thinking this will be my first water cooling card 😎
Thumbnail 10/10
This is a card I want, and the next GPU will be powercolor liquid devil for sure!
I definitely would like that wire view for my 3 8-pin GPU. So the wattage over the PCIe slot is minimal typically, yes?
Hey man, what do you think about the Nitro + with a water block on it? I think that would hit 3.0Ghz on the core
What is coilwhine? What creates it and is that due to bad quality or? Can you explain in detail?
Good video!
Next question though is... how can we modify the xtx cards to remove or increase the power limit? MPT doesn't work any more :/
You have to mod the card. No more software hacks.
@@ZAGAN-OZ Yes. But how? AMD I don't think uses a resistor to measure current draw, so can't just solder that?
Can the power controller chip be reconfigured, like on the radeon 6 series?
If you do some undervolting with OC, you get even better results
Roman, As an owner of the 6900 XT Liquid devil, my main issue wtih these version of EK blocks are the glued on metal decals covering all the block screws. If you ever need to disassemble the block to clean it. Its a 1 way trip to destroying the metal decals. Not even a heatgun can help as the tempreature you need to melt the glue also melts the acrylic. :( RIP design. But i will say atleast my new Alphacool red devil block fits my liquid devil card perfectly and it performs better than the EK block. ;)
Cant wait for a video on this card with a shunt mod C:
I wonder if this would fit in cases like the Hyte Y60? That is the case I am currently using and with the 7900 XT it gets close to the glass where there might not be room for the water fittings.
It should fit fine and also you could fit the water cooling connectors to the back of the liquid devil card.
Great review as always 😊 any chance you could download and share the bios for us to try on other non reference cards please
I wish they sold this as a block for the red devil, it looks so much nicer than the normal waterblock
I’m confused; this is a Red Devil but with a water block preinstalled and thus it’s sold as the Liquid Devil.
It’s not the same look on the block. I understand what he’s saying. I’m just mad that ek hasn’t sent my red devil block it yet after delaying the pre order delayed twice.
Hello Roman. Thank you for the video. I disagree about leak tester being a nice addition. I don't believe it's free. It's always calculated within product's price. I don't have any data to prove it, but I think people buying that kind of products already have some kind of leak tester, or simply do not care. In majority of cases that's just a waste of our planet's resources.
Btw power draw in W was writen at the 11:37 chart instead of the mhz
Quick note, in the video when you are showing graphs of frequencies, the Y-axis reads "Power Draw in W", it took me a few blinks to reset my brain and figure out that this doesn't mean I need a 3 kilowatt power supply :')
Hey Roman, kind of a noob question but, is it normal to see a bunch of air trapped inside the plate, like around 3:35 ?
Pretty sure that was a result of the reversed flow direction.
Ideally you want to "fully" bleed the system.
Takes a bit until all air is gone. There is no measurable impact by this though. 99% of the heat is dissipated over the thin cooling channels and there will be no air.
@@der8auer-en Okay, thanks for the insights. Changing subject but, regarding the card being power limited : The +300MHz on the core implies the GPU used for the card is heavily binned (as it should be, for the price...), so maybe you could squeeze even more performance by undervolting the card : AMD having a tendency to grossly overestimate their GPU stock voltages.
Nice water flow through the block.
Hi when can buy the PCIE power meter? it look really cool
😑 Card prise . nice review 👍
Is it bad to run a block reversed like that? I never even thought about that before lol. I have the asrock phantom gaming 7900xtx that I just put on an alphacool waterblock and I love it!
thank you for mentioning coil whine
Any thoughts on the ASRock aqua 7900xtx vs this? I am running the aqua myself and it's wonderful so far.
Where van you buy the 2x8p version of wire view? I love how it looks.
I wonder what would have happened with this card if you lowered the target voltage like 50-100mv.since since you are still power limited it would be very interesting to see if you can hit 3000MHz+ with the low temps it might be possible. The clock curve will be steeper.
Just like with RDNA2 you would want to stay below the power limit on RDNA3 to keep the clockspeed predictable and constant looking at what the cards I tested could run with the stock MBA cooler and power limits 3GHz should be possible with this card if you tweak it to the limit by also Undervolting it a little.
I was hoping you'd undervolt overclock the card. I get similar maybe better performance with the red devil xtx
The difference between the two BIOS profiles is the fan curves ;)
Please Man, what qdc conections you use?? Tks for the videos.