Eve was decieved, Adam sinned...the fall occurred when Adam bit the fruit!! He failed to cover his wife...Period..now we all dealing with the fall out...in this fallen world Edited to add: Yes they both sinned, but that fall tho...it didn't happen until Adam bit so there was opportunity for a God honoring choice to be made by him and repentance by Eve..but he chose to watch her sin and followed suit thus the fall and here we are, can't negate the facts nor the context..and the conversation with God afterwards showed a remorseful Eve and a less than accountable Adam who blamed her and even God for her even being there before acknowledging the choice he made...The Word says what it says
1 Timothy 2:14 "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." Eve sinned, but coming to think of it both their eyes are open after Adam ate it🤔
@xtelfolaj that was my point in saying Adam sinned as he wasn't deceived (as the scripture you listed affirms) in the same way Eve was, and the fall didn't occur, their eyes weren't opened until after he also ate...so there was possibly space and opportunity there for him to cover them by not also eating, them eyes may have stayed shut???...ijs...we'll never know all that but the text does suggests a final accountability there to Adam...🤔
Before we say no to submit to a man that isn't submitted to God, we may need to read 1 Peter 3: 1-2. God wants us to submit to the husband whether he is submissive to God or not unless he is trying to lead us to sin.
@hometowngirlncurls5669 God wants all of us to e committed to Him. His way is that the husband is submissive to God and also the be the covering for his wife. There is an order, which is why it is very important to be selective about who you agree to marry.
@@nenajay3174 I agree with you! However that scripture is written because God knew this would take place too. Like a couple who weren't believers when they got married but one becomes a follower of Christ while the other isn't. Also, this isn't applied to those who are married to unbelievers. This is also applied to women who are married to Christian men but they are not seeking God to make a particular decision. We can be selective but that doesn't mean that Christian man will always make the best decision or will always seek God even when they're supposed to. God knows that our husbands won't always do the right things but we are to extend grace just He gives us when we mess up.
@@hometowngirlncurls5669 Being obedient to god is going to be based on one's interpretation . At one time being obedient to god was to enslave folks. Man has been speaking for god to make women and others submit to him for a long time now.
Ephesians 6:12 “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.”
I know I'm late to this video but Adam was NOT there at the conversation with the serpent. In Genesis 3:3, Eve tells the serpent they are not to eat of the tree in the middle of the garden. Why would she say where the tree was if she was already at the tree? It was LATER when she was at the tree, saw it looked good, and ate that Adam was with her (Genesis 3:6). We must RIGHTLY divide The Word! (2 Timothy 2:15)
Gen 3:6 in NIV and KJV literally says "she gave some to her husband, who was with her" KJV: " and also gave unto her husband with her; and he did eat..."
Still doesn't overcome the fact that Adam wasn't deceived, even if he wasn't present for the conversation with the serpent. Which means he knew what the fruit was before he ate it. And the scripture is clear that their eyes were opened after Adam ate, not after Eve ate.
@@chrisbradford5893 If Adam was not deceived then he was PRESUMPTOUSLY disobedient which is WAY WORSE. So while Eve can say GENUINELY that she was deceived into eating the fruit, Adam had NO SUCH EXCUSE but rather DELIBERATELY chose to disobey God. I don't know about you but PRESUMPTOUSLY and DELIBERATELY choosing to disobey God is akin to REBELLION and that according to 1 Sam. 15 :23 is as the sin of WITCHCRAFT. It is why Adam like Saul, lost his place with God.
That’s a question from the unmarried or young minded lol not exactly funny but a testament that you don’t actually understand - men operating with attributes actually want to know what you bring to the table other than yourself - now flip it on a man’s head and ask what does he bring to the union’s table - and if just himself there’d be an issue!
@@SWISSMUSICFC I phrased my comment the way I did bc I didn’t want to seem rude or on the attack towards the young lady who made the statement. But yes, asking that question (what you bring to the table) is a very sober way to see where their mind is, and gauge if there is compatibility/suitability between the two ppl. Wanting “not” to be asked that question is quite telling, and would be a red flag for me. But good luck to her and all others who find offense in that inquiry. May the odds be with them. Lol. And yes, if we (men) said that…you’re correct; there’d be a big issue. Lol. And we know why.
@@AGo-fs2khIt's a weird question for a MAN to ask that question because God told MAN to seek a good wife. You don't go around asking 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅. You need to know what you need & then seek that in her. Does she submit to God, does she pray rather than get crazy mad, is she loyal, is she maternal, is she fearful of God, a team player etc. If these are the qualities that you need, why you asking her rather than seeking a woman with those qualities once she has revealed those attributes that you're looking for. Red flag yes
Eve was deceived and fell into sin first, then Eve deceived Adam into eating the fruit after her. She sinned first. 1 Timothy 2:14 “And it was not Adam who was deceived by Satan. The woman was deceived, and sin was the result.”
The scripture, which you quoted, literally says Adam was not deceived (and that is why a woman should not rule over him), yet you added to it. Are you a woman? 😂
Adam was not deceived. He willfully ate. Which is why God came directly to Adam. Because Adam was given DOMINION. He had the responsibility to be the leader. Stop blaming Eve for being deceived, ADAM was never deceived Adam knew better.
What Bible you reading from. The command was given to Adam. Adam walked with God. Eve was created second. Adam was created for God. Eve for Adam. Eve did not deceive Adam. The word doesn't say that. Eve was deceived. Full stop, Adam was not deceived he was an accomplice. You are repeating the very words spoke by Adam, it was the women. When he had full knowledge that what he was doing was wrong. Eve was deceived, what was Adam's excuse?
I love how y’all stress and reiterate the covenant made with/under God and how women are told to submit to men submitting/submitted to God. Not just that’s yo husband. Love it.
I think you all got off track by not fully understanding the text. The book is about the fall & redemption. Eve was deceived, Adam was not. God said, "The day you eat, you shall surely die." Adam loved his wife and knew they were about to be separated. He made the choice to take the punishment in order to be with her because of his love for her, just as Christ took on our sin to redeem His bride the church.
@@mytraveltohealthya, never heard that opinion. Definitely not what happened. God gave a command to Adam he didnt follow it. End of discussion. When God asked Adam why he did it, Adams response wasnt " I knew you were going to throw Eve out and I loved her soo much and I cant live without her that Im going to sacrifice this perfect life you gave me to live in an Evil and Sinful world." Instead he blamed God and Eve. Tells you exactly where his head and heart was.
As we all know, sin is deceptive. That is likely not the first interaction the serpent had with them. They were familiar and let their guards down. How many of us wouldn’t have (currently) done the same and disobeyed God?
@@heather7119 It began with them convincing black women to raise kid without their fathers according to my mother and aunts who fortunately didn't fall for it. It is now a Western problem that affects all Americans sadly.
Matthew 10:37-39 talks about this. Leading your family well comes down to having correct priorities and putting God first. If we find ourselves outside of God's will because of our spouse, that's something that needs to be addressed immediately. You are being pushed further and further away from God and you don't even realize it.
Abraham laying with Rachel’s handmaiden isn’t the same as King David committing adultery with Uriah the Hittite’s “WIFE” because not only did David commit adultery he he tried to deceive Uriah and ultimately got him killed. In Abraham’s case Hagar was given to him by Sarah so it wasn’t adultery
This is an interesting topic, you guys went deep. A couple of scriptures that speak to it are 1 Corinthians 11, and 1 Timothy 2. to Sean's point, yes we see the results of Abraham's action, with Israel and Islam today. Plus, to Plain's point, friction in the home is a punishment. Finally, yes the proper interpretation of the genesis passage is a battle of the sexes. Tony Evans gave a nice sermon about it. Nice discussion everyone.
To understand the curse God placed on Eve, we see a similar phrase God used when he spoke to her son Cain. Sins desire is to control Cain same as Eve’s desire will be to control Adam. Genesis 4:7 (NKJV) 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.”
God is not in politics. It’s a human decision to pick and choose to be in any office. Mayor, House or Reps, Prez, districts, councilwomen and men etc. this was really good however, so much more to unpack.
This Snake and Apple translation is the PG version, what took place in the Garden on that day was much more serious and wicked than the present day watered down version
They had no conscience prior to eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So they were literally without knowledge of good or evil. They discovered what was evil by transgressing the word of God.
Scripture, 1 Tim 2:14 "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." Adam is a type of Christ he who knew no sin became sin. Adam partook of the fruit of Eve's sin bearing the consequences of her transgression. As Jesus has done for His Bride.
@@junowho42 that doesn't answer my question. If Adam had no consciousness, why doesn't the scripture say he was also deceived? Are you trying to say he had know conscience?
The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
12:40 The Book of Jubilees or Little Genesis will explain to you that Adam was deceived by Eve AFTER she had already taken the bite. She came to Adam later to bring him the fruit to eat and he did. Immediately after eating, he knew what had happened and was mad because he knew what that meant for him within God!
Actually eve did reference what Hod told her not to do , when she spoke to the serpent in the garden . Now to understand why Adam didn’t hear the serpent speak to eve is because you have to go to the Great War in heaven to understand that .
Idk i personally feel like you all are saying Adam was just chilling and that Eve eating the fruit was her taking the dominant position because Adam failed ? That's so incorrect. Genesis 3:2-4 KJVAAE [2] And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: [3] but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. [4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: Its CLEAR as day that Eve knew that she was not to eat from that tree bc God has said not to through Adam telling her what God told him. It seems like you all are forgetting that it was DISOBEDIENCE that got them casted out of the garden ! DISOBEDIENCE. Because if we blame it on adam, then we are saying Eve has to take no accountability. She knew what not to do. Also, later in the new testament. Someone makes a reference to Eve. Which im paraphrasing, "didn't the woman get tricked by the serpent?" I think yall gotta go back and have Bibles open on the table to read it.
The way they’re explaining Adam’s presence is WILD. Secondly yes Adam sinned because he walked with God being trained by Yahweh, and Adam clocked his hours tending to the garden. That was his expertise. He did NOT KNOW Eve, he had NOT walked with her and YET the serpent knew her enough to speak 🗣️ to her true nature.
I believe men got tired of going to jail for doing the right thing like protecting their daughter. They now teach the daughters how to protect themselves. As a woman, once you learn to protect yourself, you feel empowered and it's a position to seek. No longer powerless!!!!
Could it be that Adam wanted the fruit as well. Maybe he wanted to see what would happen to Eve first before he ate the fruit. Upon seeing that she didn’t die immediately he ate as well.
God said DON’T EAT OF THAT TREE, PERIOD TO ADAM! He was with her‼️ No excuse‼️Eve knew better too. Even if the serpent hadn’t been there, God still said, “DON’T!”
What about the man being submitted to God but the woman’s excuse is saying she still feel like she have to lead. Not so much because he isn’t following God and leading to best of his ability but that it’s her way of being in control anyhow.
We had a Bible study about this at church. The moment Eve ate, her eyes were open, she knew good and evil. Adam did not. He had not known evil. And he trusted Eve. So Eve tricked Adam. But at the end of the day, God gave him a command and he should have said no to Eve. I believe next to meant he was around. Might not have been exactly next to her. Like right next to. I feel like the story of Job and Adam and Eve are similar. Satan wanted to proved God wrong but God already knew we (Adam and Eve) would failed and had a back up plan ready.
Speaking on women that wanted to “dominate,” besides Eve, Rebekah when she favored Jacob over Esau and asked him to put on goat skin; Job’s wife when she asked him to curse God after all that they lost; Sarah when she went ahead of God and didn’t want to wait on God to give her a child; Lot’s wife when she looked back even after being told not to. She stepped over God’s command and lost her life; Lot’s daughters when they got their dad drunk and slept with him for the sake of keeping the bloodline going. I don’t think they consulted God on lying with their father, outta line!! So there are more but these are the ones I can think of for right now.
Great discussion. Adam dropped the ball and didn't stand his ground. He should have had a discussion with Eve and told her that God already gave instructions for us to not eat of this tree. Just think what would have happened if they had went back to God before eating from the tree. They should have got God involved to take care of that snake 🤦🏾♀️
I think the issue with that is Eve already ate the fruit. Think of it as an adult talking to an innocent child. It is easy to get a child to believe something when you know more than them. Eve had more tools to convince Adam to eat the fruit. He trusted and loved his wife.
@@immortal846 I see that as well. They both had no prior knowledge of sin. But Eve gained knowledge after eating the fruit. I'm like girl, why are you talking with the snake in the first place?And Adam was right there beside her and just went along with the idea. She didn't consult with Adam or God. Adam let his desire for his wife cloud his judgement as well. And just went along with the Idea. Neither consulted God. God left them to their own devices and they chose to ignore God all together. Then they ran and hid trying to cover up what was done. God asked them why are you covering yourselves? And why are you hiding? Knowing that they chose to ignore his original command. They went along with the snake and chose to ignore God altogether. So the consequence was the fall. And human kind has been falling further and further away from God ever since. We have been given free will. And we are given a choice to follow God commandments or ignore him and choose our own agendas. Satan knows our weakness and will capitalize on it time and time again. He convinced them to ignore God and that they will be just like God once they eat of the tree. They chose the latter and went against God. Didn't consult him or even apologize for what was done. Instead they started playing the blame game like children do. No one took responsibility and I just wonder if they would have went back to God in the first place and asked if it was really ok? Informed God about the snake and what was said. Or after they consumed the fruit. If they would have just apologized and asked for forgiveness. Maybe things would have taken a different course altogether. As I was writing this. This scripture came to mind: Jesus says: “If you love Me, keep My commandments … He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me … If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.” John 14:15-24.🤷🏾♀️
@@StromLxrd6 Check out Genesis 3:6. It gives an account that he was right there beside her. I went back and read Genesis. I never saw this before. I was like why didn't you say something Adam? 🤦🏾♀️
@@angelajohnsonmusic3731Adam was NOT there at the conversation with the serpent. In Genesis 3:3, Eve tells the serpent they are not to eat of the tree in the middle of the garden. Why would she say where the tree was if she was already at the tree? It was LATER when she was at the tree, saw it looked good, and ate that Adam was with her (Genesis 3:6). We must RIGHTLY divide The Word! (2 Timothy 2:15)
The Ethiopian Bible predates the KJV (a version universally accepted because of control)…in it it has 22 scriptures more than the KJV. I’ve briefly read it since getting it and in that short time with it, I know the sabbath is Saturday and you’re not even supposed to cook on that day. I found out that Adam passed like 70 years before 1000 years and the Bible spoke about how much time that is in heaven. I found out that we probably should pray to Yahweh instead of the broad term God (you could be praying to the “god” on the dollar). Pray to The Most High! I’m gonna tap more into this Bible but I heavily suggest it
Something I wish I could do is understand the stories or messages of the Bible. I just understand or extract individual Bible verses, but not really see the narrative of each story like they were able to describe in this episode. Like how one of them said I think Sarah was nagging someone? I don't think I could have picked up on something like that when I do my daily Bible reading. They make the Bible more tangible and relatable to everyday life...which is why I just subscribed.
@A_J___ You will have to actually read the bible like you would a regular book. Starting at the beginning, going verse by verse, chapter by chapter, book by book for the purpose of context and narrative. Pray before reading, asking God for understanding and wisdom to hear what is being said. Pace yourself, if your mind begins to wander reread from the last thing you remember reading, or take a break and pick up once refreshed mentally. At night, mediate on what you read, replay the story in your head, ask questions about it, ponder the meaning, implications, and so on. The Word is living and active. If you dont know a word look it up. Every word is valuable in the word of God try not to glance over any of it, value every word. And again ask, seek, knock concerning what you are reading (go to God asking Him about His word). God say if you draw close to Him, He will draw close to you. Scripture say to study to show thyself approved. Therefore you have to do the leg work. I pray that the Lord give you the desire of your heart in your quest to understand the scriptures. 🙏🏿 Be Blessed! AMEN
Many married couples in Scripture, weren't submitted to YAH'S leadership fully, or at all, but you actually don't see YAH discarding or discrediting their marriage union either. He let even their individual choices give a separate judgement.. Even to judge them separately though married.
Let me preface this comment with I have not listened to the entire video yet, but I had to comment that "Eve did not step up in the garden" as one of the panel commented that she did. Satan approached her in the garden, and while she had more conversation with the devil than Adam did with her, I don't think we should portray Eve as having stepped up in the garden.
This video came up in my feed and so I decided to watch it. I have to agree with the young man in the blue T-shirt. As a follower of Christ, who has been married for 25 years, the translation that your desire will be for your husband, but instead, you will be ruled over Resonates. I look at it this way your desire will be always to please your husband to spend time with your husband, but instead he might want to watch football. Your desire might be to go out with your husband to do things with your husband, but instead he might want to go play basketball. You may want to cuddle a lot with him, but he has work to do. In my experience and in watching many other relationships it is the woman who desires the attention of her husband more so, (excluding s*x), while he will be focused on work or other entertainment of his choice. I believe that is why scripture tells a man to love his wife because love makes a man put his desires aside to please the needs of his wife. Women need that attention from their man. It is something that motivates them to be the best wife. Women need to be loved.
@@jree333 exactly. They're tip toeing the topic matter rather than just confirming the obvious of what's been going on today with the emasculation of men
Wrong context. Remember, he wouldn't be suspecting the snake because up to this point, conversation with the animals weren't foreign. It was the 1st time any conversations went against what God said. And he was by the tree... it still need maintenance; just not eat the fruit, not don't care for the tree at all
I've never seen one Scripture that says it was an apple, that's conjecture. We don't know if the serpent had already tempted Adam, in the verse the serpent is speaking with the woman. Verse 16 .... and thy desire shall be to thy husband, .... It is apparent that women's desire is to usurp the position of the man. The wife desires her husband and the husband desires his wife naturally. The (world - unbelievers) is out of order and that's not to mention that us believers are as well, especially those of us that do not read God's Word and are basically biblically illiterate.
I love this conversation though I think I have a thought to offer that hasnt been mentioned to the point I have listened 14:39. In Genesis 1:26 God gave man dominion over the earth meaning he should have told the snake to shut up and pipe down. Adam allowing Eve to be beguilded by the snake was him forfeiting his dominion over earth (and ri the devil) by listening to an animal that he had authority over.
Another example is Abraham and Sarah…Sarah decided to take control and Hagar had Ishmael, which caused problems. God created order and authority and culture does and can’t change that. God, Man, wife, dominion. That is the order God created. The Bible also states when women are in leadership positions that is a judge on the nation. As Christians, we have to hold our sword- look to the word of God for understanding and clarification. Nothing is uncommon/new under the sun.
Read your Bible, read God Word for the joy that It brings, the wisdom that It teaches, the Love of God towards us, the blessings that It gives, to draw closer to our Father, God and our Saviour, Friend, Comforter and Teacher. The food that nourishes our soul. 27:25
I’m only 16 min in so idk if this gets addressed or not, but whether Adam was there or not when the snake deceived Eve, Adam knew what Tree the fruit came from because of the fruit that tree beared. I’m pretty sure if God deemed 1 particular plant in an entire garden ‘unsafe’, that plant beared fruit that was distinct to that tree. God/Jesus uses parables of fruit all the through the Bible, and he tells us you can tell what kind of person someone is by their fruit!!! We like to say “apple” but we don’t really know what kind of fruit it was. All we know is it was off limits, Adam knew better and ate the fruit anyway. He sinned and Eve was deceived. Period. Adam should have corrected Eve and slapped that fruit out of her hand lol!
Esther's Husband and King of Persia wasn't fearing YAH, and she dominated him with her looks and favor to get him to get Haman outta there for his malicious plot. He wasn't submitted to YAH... AT ALL! She laid with him, then was married to him and he never became a servant of the Most High..just a pawn in the game to save lives.
I don’t think either of them had dominion over each other in the beginning, it wasn’t until after they sinned that God said the man would have dominion over the woman, he gave the woman as a helpmate which means they were a team and did things together for the good of the earth
The Septuagint is the Greek translation of the entire Bible. The Jews translated the Torah into Greek during the time it was the primary trade language because the Jews were exiled and the younger generation were growing up without reading the Torah since they did not know Hebrew. If you ever see LXX in the margins or notes of the Bible, it’s short for Septuagint.
27:34 Sarah wanted to be God just as Eve wanted to be God…that is the desire. Hedonism. That is why often times in pagan religions the women are the “priest” and nature is glorified above its creator.
The young lady appears to have been taught correctly concerning the interpretation of the text. You are really discussing one of the main passages of Scripture known as the "Fall of Mankind" which brought "the curse" which really is five curses, Creation (earth) itself became cursed, the animals became cursed, the serpent became cursed, the woman became cursed, and the man became cursed. I don't have the time or space to elaborate, but Eve was deceived into taking from the tree because of what was in her. Genesis 3:6 reveals the lust of the eyes (she saw it), the lust of the flesh (it looked delicious, good for food), and the pride of life (she desired to have the wisdom), which is all of us. But even though Eve was deceived, Adam made a choice to eat from the tree. This is why nothing happened until Adam ate. His choice was willful disobedience. But God did not leave mankind hopeless because He promised the Savior in 3:15. The curse on the woman does include both her desire for intimacy and to rule over her husband, regardless of whether he is submitted to God. We do not see that qualification in the text, which is why women must be sure the man she marries is submitted to God before they get married because the curse says he will rule over her. As it relates to women stepping up in the place of the man, we have another account in the book of Judges where the Prophetess Deborah was forced into that position because the man God called to lead, would not do and she was thrust into the position. So we see in Scripture that women will do what is necessary for the family or for the nation, as in the case of Deborah and Israel. There is so much more to be said about this subject, but I must leave it there for now, but happy to answer any questions about it. By the way, Ryan, I believe it was you who mentioned what happened with the fall of Satan was the start of it all, you are on the right track.
Adam and Eve were to rule together before the fall. Genesis 1:28, God blessed them and said to them, "be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth."
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As an older woman listening to young people, it's refreshing and enlightening, too. I pray your channel grows in leaps and bounds.
That young lady that spoke in the video clip gives me hope in our sisters in the Lord.
Free will! Obedience is better than sacrifice
You hit the nail on the head, these things happen to us when we ran out of patience
Eve was decieved, Adam sinned...the fall occurred when Adam bit the fruit!! He failed to cover his wife...Period..now we all dealing with the fall out...in this fallen world
Edited to add: Yes they both sinned, but that fall tho...it didn't happen until Adam bit so there was opportunity for a God honoring choice to be made by him and repentance by Eve..but he chose to watch her sin and followed suit thus the fall and here we are, can't negate the facts nor the context..and the conversation with God afterwards showed a remorseful Eve and a less than accountable Adam who blamed her and even God for her even being there before acknowledging the choice he made...The Word says what it says
At the end of the day, both of them sin against God. Because she ate it first, then give it to her husband….
Lmbo what???
@@aaleyahforbes5420 agreed, both sinned
1 Timothy 2:14 "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." Eve sinned, but coming to think of it both their eyes are open after Adam ate it🤔
@xtelfolaj that was my point in saying Adam sinned as he wasn't deceived (as the scripture you listed affirms) in the same way Eve was, and the fall didn't occur, their eyes weren't opened until after he also ate...so there was possibly space and opportunity there for him to cover them by not also eating, them eyes may have stayed shut???...ijs...we'll never know all that but the text does suggests a final accountability there to Adam...🤔
Thanks!
Before we say no to submit to a man that isn't submitted to God, we may need to read 1 Peter 3: 1-2. God wants us to submit to the husband whether he is submissive to God or not unless he is trying to lead us to sin.
“Your own husband.” Not just men.
@@gardenofozrecords7649 yes you're right. I forgot to mention to submit to your husband even if he's not obedient to God.
@hometowngirlncurls5669 God wants all of us to e committed to Him. His way is that the husband is submissive to God and also the be the covering for his wife. There is an order, which is why it is very important to be selective about who you agree to marry.
@@nenajay3174 I agree with you! However that scripture is written because God knew this would take place too. Like a couple who weren't believers when they got married but one becomes a follower of Christ while the other isn't. Also, this isn't applied to those who are married to unbelievers. This is also applied to women who are married to Christian men but they are not seeking God to make a particular decision. We can be selective but that doesn't mean that Christian man will always make the best decision or will always seek God even when they're supposed to. God knows that our husbands won't always do the right things but we are to extend grace just He gives us when we mess up.
@@hometowngirlncurls5669 Being obedient to god is going to be based on one's interpretation . At one time being obedient to god was to enslave folks. Man has been speaking for god to make women and others submit to him for a long time now.
One of my favourite “unserious” yet informative, still teaching and just a great talk full of wisdom and a little bit of laughter 😅❤
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Ephesians 6:12
“For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.”
Great conversation, really blessed me... Keep em coming family
I know I'm late to this video but Adam was NOT there at the conversation with the serpent. In Genesis 3:3, Eve tells the serpent they are not to eat of the tree in the middle of the garden. Why would she say where the tree was if she was already at the tree? It was LATER when she was at the tree, saw it looked good, and ate that Adam was with her (Genesis 3:6). We must RIGHTLY divide The Word! (2 Timothy 2:15)
Right!! These guys are missing the key details
Gen 3:6 in NIV and KJV literally says "she gave some to her husband, who was with her"
KJV: " and also gave unto her husband with her; and he did eat..."
@sasschay2621 Yes, that is later than Gen 3:3 as I indicated.
Still doesn't overcome the fact that Adam wasn't deceived, even if he wasn't present for the conversation with the serpent. Which means he knew what the fruit was before he ate it. And the scripture is clear that their eyes were opened after Adam ate, not after Eve ate.
@@chrisbradford5893 If Adam was not deceived then he was PRESUMPTOUSLY disobedient which is WAY WORSE. So while Eve can say GENUINELY that she was deceived into eating the fruit, Adam had NO SUCH EXCUSE but rather DELIBERATELY chose to disobey God. I don't know about you but PRESUMPTOUSLY and DELIBERATELY choosing to disobey God is akin to REBELLION and that according to 1 Sam. 15 :23 is as the sin of WITCHCRAFT. It is why Adam like Saul, lost his place with God.
“And stop asking us what we bring to the table…” is elaborately wild.
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That’s a question from the unmarried or young minded lol not exactly funny but a testament that you don’t actually understand - men operating with attributes actually want to know what you bring to the table other than yourself - now flip it on a man’s head and ask what does he bring to the union’s table - and if just himself there’d be an issue!
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I phrased my comment the way I did bc I didn’t want to seem rude or on the attack towards the young lady who made the statement.
But yes, asking that question (what you bring to the table) is a very sober way to see where their mind is, and gauge if there is compatibility/suitability between the two ppl. Wanting “not” to be asked that question is quite telling, and would be a red flag for me.
But good luck to her and all others who find offense in that inquiry.
May the odds be with them. Lol.
And yes, if we (men) said that…you’re correct; there’d be a big issue. Lol.
And we know why.
@@AGo-fs2khIt's a weird question for a MAN to ask that question because God told MAN to seek a good wife. You don't go around asking 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅. You need to know what you need & then seek that in her. Does she submit to God, does she pray rather than get crazy mad, is she loyal, is she maternal, is she fearful of God, a team player etc. If these are the qualities that you need, why you asking her rather than seeking a woman with those qualities once she has revealed those attributes that you're looking for. Red flag yes
Eve was deceived and fell into sin first, then Eve deceived Adam into eating the fruit after her. She sinned first.
1 Timothy 2:14
“And it was not Adam who was deceived by Satan. The woman was deceived, and sin was the result.”
The scripture, which you quoted, literally says Adam was not deceived (and that is why a woman should not rule over him), yet you added to it. Are you a woman? 😂
Thank you dude!!
It's almost like all these people are talking from memory and not just having the bible open
Adam was not deceived. He willfully ate. Which is why God came directly to Adam. Because Adam was given DOMINION. He had the responsibility to be the leader. Stop blaming Eve for being deceived, ADAM was never deceived Adam knew better.
Your Bible is open but your comprehension is closed!!! Read to understand & not to soothe your emasculation
What Bible you reading from. The command was given to Adam. Adam walked with God. Eve was created second. Adam was created for God. Eve for Adam. Eve did not deceive Adam. The word doesn't say that. Eve was deceived. Full stop, Adam was not deceived he was an accomplice. You are repeating the very words spoke by Adam, it was the women. When he had full knowledge that what he was doing was wrong. Eve was deceived, what was Adam's excuse?
I love how y’all stress and reiterate the covenant made with/under God and how women are told to submit to men submitting/submitted to God. Not just that’s yo husband. Love it.
" we gotta have more men outings in trackstarz" I screamed 🤣🤣
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The guy in the blue shirt 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I think you all got off track by not fully understanding the text. The book is about the fall & redemption.
Eve was deceived, Adam was not. God said, "The day you eat, you shall surely die." Adam loved his wife and knew they were about to be separated. He made the choice to take the punishment in order to be with her because of his love for her, just as Christ took on our sin to redeem His bride the church.
This is good. This could preach. I see the parallel.
That's a beautiful way to show just how God created man's ability to love.
I didn’t get this from the text
@@mytraveltohealthya, never heard that opinion. Definitely not what happened. God gave a command to Adam he didnt follow it. End of discussion. When God asked Adam why he did it, Adams response wasnt " I knew you were going to throw Eve out and I loved her soo much and I cant live without her that Im going to sacrifice this perfect life you gave me to live in an Evil and Sinful world." Instead he blamed God and Eve. Tells you exactly where his head and heart was.
@@RippedDad6 Nah this is a huge reach
As we all know, sin is deceptive. That is likely not the first interaction the serpent had with them. They were familiar and let their guards down. How many of us wouldn’t have (currently) done the same and disobeyed God?
Feminism is the apple.
This has so much depth. Underrated comment.
100% correct. I say all the time feminism is one of the major reasons for this unbalance between men and women.
@@heather7119 It began with them convincing black women to raise kid without their fathers according to my mother and aunts who fortunately didn't fall for it. It is now a Western problem that affects all Americans sadly.
I really like this platform!
This was a great clip!
Great show! 😊😊😊
I like that😂😂 Adam and Abraham were sucker's, 😂😂.
Matthew 10:37-39 talks about this. Leading your family well comes down to having correct priorities and putting God first. If we find ourselves outside of God's will because of our spouse, that's something that needs to be addressed immediately. You are being pushed further and further away from God and you don't even realize it.
this is a great discussion.
Thanks!
Abraham laying with Rachel’s handmaiden isn’t the same as King David committing adultery with Uriah the Hittite’s “WIFE” because not only did David commit adultery he he tried to deceive Uriah and ultimately got him killed. In Abraham’s case Hagar was given to him by Sarah so it wasn’t adultery
Adam was just as interested in being all knowing as Eve. That is why he allowed it.
This is an interesting topic, you guys went deep. A couple of scriptures that speak to it are 1 Corinthians 11, and 1 Timothy 2. to Sean's point, yes we see the results of Abraham's action, with Israel and Islam today. Plus, to Plain's point, friction in the home is a punishment. Finally, yes the proper interpretation of the genesis passage is a battle of the sexes. Tony Evans gave a nice sermon about it. Nice discussion everyone.
Yes! Stay BLESSED ❤❤❤
I thought the same, I thought Adam was working in the garden.
To understand the curse God placed on Eve, we see a similar phrase God used when he spoke to her son Cain. Sins desire is to control Cain same as Eve’s desire will be to control Adam.
Genesis 4:7 (NKJV)
7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.”
This was really good
Thank you!!
Great conversation!!!!
This was a banger!
This was a good conversation
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Whoaaaaa, can you share the link for the original video?
1 peter 3:1 circumstances dnt dictate our obedience 2 God
That word, desire, is the same word used to refer to sin’s desire for us, in Genesis 4:7.
Meaning of life.
. Fear God and keep his commandments...ecc
God is not in politics. It’s a human decision to pick and choose to be in any office. Mayor, House or Reps, Prez, districts, councilwomen and men etc. this was really good however, so much more to unpack.
This Snake and Apple translation is the PG version, what took place in the Garden on that day was much more serious and wicked than the present day watered down version
"Okay, what's the serious and wicked version?"
Free will, ain't free.
They had no conscience prior to eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So they were literally without knowledge of good or evil. They discovered what was evil by transgressing the word of God.
How do you explain Adam not being deceived then?
Scripture, 1 Tim 2:14 "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."
Adam is a type of Christ he who knew no sin became sin. Adam partook of the fruit of Eve's sin bearing the consequences of her transgression. As Jesus has done for His Bride.
@@junowho42 that doesn't answer my question. If Adam had no consciousness, why doesn't the scripture say he was also deceived? Are you trying to say he had know conscience?
@chrisbradford5893 lol somewhat he had "no conscience". That's funny. 😄
@@junowho42 yup 😂
The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
The wages of sin is death, regardless who you are.
12:40 The Book of Jubilees or Little Genesis will explain to you that Adam was deceived by Eve AFTER she had already taken the bite. She came to Adam later to bring him the fruit to eat and he did. Immediately after eating, he knew what had happened and was mad because he knew what that meant for him within God!
Actually eve did reference what Hod told her not to do , when she spoke to the serpent in the garden . Now to understand why Adam didn’t hear the serpent speak to eve is because you have to go to the Great War in heaven to understand that .
Idk i personally feel like you all are saying Adam was just chilling and that Eve eating the fruit was her taking the dominant position because Adam failed ?
That's so incorrect.
Genesis 3:2-4 KJVAAE
[2] And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: [3] but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. [4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Its CLEAR as day that Eve knew that she was not to eat from that tree bc God has said not to through Adam telling her what God told him.
It seems like you all are forgetting that it was DISOBEDIENCE that got them casted out of the garden !
DISOBEDIENCE.
Because if we blame it on adam, then we are saying Eve has to take no accountability.
She knew what not to do.
Also, later in the new testament. Someone makes a reference to Eve. Which im paraphrasing, "didn't the woman get tricked by the serpent?"
I think yall gotta go back and have Bibles open on the table to read it.
The way they’re explaining Adam’s presence is WILD. Secondly yes Adam sinned because he walked with God being trained by Yahweh, and Adam clocked his hours tending to the garden. That was his expertise. He did NOT KNOW Eve, he had NOT walked with her and YET the serpent knew her enough to speak 🗣️ to her true nature.
Yes to collaboration in marriage and yes anything other than what God has instructed would be considered evil
I think Choosing comfort over obedience would be entering disobedient territory
I believe men got tired of going to jail for doing the right thing like protecting their daughter. They now teach the daughters how to protect themselves. As a woman, once you learn to protect yourself, you feel empowered and it's a position to seek. No longer powerless!!!!
1 minute in and so much was said. We Must remain in 🙏🏾 every day. GOD has the True answers. 9:20YES!! 10:10-11:00🙌🏾.
I agree, Adam was a sucker.
Nabel in the Bible 1 Samuel was called a fool. His name meant fool. His wife Abagail was called a wise woman.
Jamaica didn't have to be a poor country, but I have to admit for the majority of the population it is. The biggest reason is corrupt governments.
It’s simple, if it’s a curse then it’s not she will want her husband in that way, but rule over him.
Lol at the end of it...God said what he said 😂
A very interesting discussion, but all things need to find a balance between femininity and masculinity.
Could it be that Adam wanted the fruit as well. Maybe he wanted to see what would happen to Eve first before he ate the fruit. Upon seeing that she didn’t die immediately he ate as well.
God said DON’T EAT OF THAT TREE, PERIOD TO ADAM! He was with her‼️ No excuse‼️Eve knew better too. Even if the serpent hadn’t been there, God still said, “DON’T!”
Why did U think Adam heard the snake. Or saw the snake?
Jezzebel spirit
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4:53 he is not there !
What about the man being submitted to God but the woman’s excuse is saying she still feel like she have to lead. Not so much because he isn’t following God and leading to best of his ability but that it’s her way of being in control anyhow.
We had a Bible study about this at church. The moment Eve ate, her eyes were open, she knew good and evil.
Adam did not. He had not known evil. And he trusted Eve. So Eve tricked Adam. But at the end of the day, God gave him a command and he should have said no to Eve.
I believe next to meant he was around. Might not have been exactly next to her. Like right next to.
I feel like the story of Job and Adam and Eve are similar. Satan wanted to proved God wrong but God already knew we (Adam and Eve) would failed and had a back up plan ready.
This is dicey teaching around 4:35 minute mark. That is not biblical teaching. It is the man's erroneous thoughts being express publicly.
Only the serpent and the ground were cursed.
A woman was not the first person Jesus spread the message to or with. A woman was the first person to speak to and see him after his resurrection 😂
Speaking on women that wanted to “dominate,” besides Eve, Rebekah when she favored Jacob over Esau and asked him to put on goat skin; Job’s wife when she asked him to curse God after all that they lost; Sarah when she went ahead of God and didn’t want to wait on God to give her a child; Lot’s wife when she looked back even after being told not to. She stepped over God’s command and lost her life; Lot’s daughters when they got their dad drunk and slept with him for the sake of keeping the bloodline going. I don’t think they consulted God on lying with their father, outta line!! So there are more but these are the ones I can think of for right now.
The fruit wasn't an actual food it was sex, that's how they got to know they were naked the whole time after the deed.
Is Grneis 3 about humans wanting to be like God?
Where's the original video from?
Great discussion. Adam dropped the ball and didn't stand his ground. He should have had a discussion with Eve and told her that God already gave instructions for us to not eat of this tree. Just think what would have happened if they had went back to God before eating from the tree. They should have got God involved to take care of that snake 🤦🏾♀️
I think the issue with that is Eve already ate the fruit. Think of it as an adult talking to an innocent child. It is easy to get a child to believe something when you know more than them. Eve had more tools to convince Adam to eat the fruit. He trusted and loved his wife.
@@immortal846 I see that as well. They both had no prior knowledge of sin. But Eve gained knowledge after eating the fruit. I'm like girl, why are you talking with the snake in the first place?And Adam was right there beside her and just went along with the idea. She didn't consult with Adam or God. Adam let his desire for his wife cloud his judgement as well. And just went along with the Idea. Neither consulted God. God left them to their own devices and they chose to ignore God all together. Then they ran and hid trying to cover up what was done. God asked them why are you covering yourselves? And why are you hiding? Knowing that they chose to ignore his original command. They went along with the snake and chose to ignore God altogether. So the consequence was the fall. And human kind has been falling further and further away from God ever since. We have been given free will. And we are given a choice to follow God commandments or ignore him and choose our own agendas. Satan knows our weakness and will capitalize on it time and time again. He convinced them to ignore God and that they will be just like God once they eat of the tree. They chose the latter and went against God. Didn't consult him or even apologize for what was done. Instead they started playing the blame game like children do. No one took responsibility and I just wonder if they would have went back to God in the first place and asked if it was really ok? Informed God about the snake and what was said. Or after they consumed the fruit. If they would have just apologized and asked for forgiveness. Maybe things would have taken a different course altogether. As I was writing this. This scripture came to mind: Jesus says: “If you love Me, keep My commandments … He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me … If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.” John 14:15-24.🤷🏾♀️
was Adam even around Eve at the time that she took of the fruit, if he was i believe he would of stopped her
@@StromLxrd6 Check out Genesis 3:6. It gives an account that he was right there beside her. I went back and read Genesis. I never saw this before. I was like why didn't you say something Adam? 🤦🏾♀️
@@angelajohnsonmusic3731Adam was NOT there at the conversation with the serpent. In Genesis 3:3, Eve tells the serpent they are not to eat of the tree in the middle of the garden. Why would she say where the tree was if she was already at the tree? It was LATER when she was at the tree, saw it looked good, and ate that Adam was with her (Genesis 3:6). We must RIGHTLY divide The Word! (2 Timothy 2:15)
Women negating accountability even with Eve lol😅
Stop. Your generalizing.
@@danilaroche1156 Generalizations are fine. If the shoe doesn't fit don't wear it.
Brethren-in-Christ,
Adam was not in the picture when the serpent beguiled the woman.
Please read in context.
The Ethiopian Bible predates the KJV (a version universally accepted because of control)…in it it has 22 scriptures more than the KJV. I’ve briefly read it since getting it and in that short time with it, I know the sabbath is Saturday and you’re not even supposed to cook on that day. I found out that Adam passed like 70 years before 1000 years and the Bible spoke about how much time that is in heaven. I found out that we probably should pray to Yahweh instead of the broad term God (you could be praying to the “god” on the dollar). Pray to The Most High! I’m gonna tap more into this Bible but I heavily suggest it
Something I wish I could do is understand the stories or messages of the Bible. I just understand or extract individual Bible verses, but not really see the narrative of each story like they were able to describe in this episode. Like how one of them said I think Sarah was nagging someone? I don't think I could have picked up on something like that when I do my daily Bible reading. They make the Bible more tangible and relatable to everyday life...which is why I just subscribed.
@A_J___ You will have to actually read the bible like you would a regular book. Starting at the beginning, going verse by verse, chapter by chapter, book by book for the purpose of context and narrative.
Pray before reading, asking God for understanding and wisdom to hear what is being said. Pace yourself, if your mind begins to wander reread from the last thing you remember reading, or take a break and pick up once refreshed mentally. At night, mediate on what you read, replay the story in your head, ask questions about it, ponder the meaning, implications, and so on. The Word is living and active. If you dont know a word look it up. Every word is valuable in the word of God try not to glance over any of it, value every word. And again ask, seek, knock concerning what you are reading (go to God asking Him about His word). God say if you draw close to Him, He will draw close to you. Scripture say to study to show thyself approved. Therefore you have to do the leg work.
I pray that the Lord give you the desire of your heart in your quest to understand the scriptures. 🙏🏿 Be Blessed! AMEN
7:33 😂🤣
Many married couples in Scripture, weren't submitted to YAH'S leadership fully, or at all, but you actually don't see YAH discarding or discrediting their marriage union either. He let even their individual choices give a separate judgement.. Even to judge them separately though married.
Adam was beguiled by Eve.
Let me preface this comment with I have not listened to the entire video yet, but I had to comment that "Eve did not step up in the garden" as one of the panel commented that she did. Satan approached her in the garden, and while she had more conversation with the devil than Adam did with her, I don't think we should portray Eve as having stepped up in the garden.
This video came up in my feed and so I decided to watch it. I have to agree with the young man in the blue T-shirt. As a follower of Christ, who has been married for 25 years, the translation that your desire will be for your husband, but instead, you will be ruled over Resonates. I look at it this way your desire will be always to please your husband to spend time with your husband, but instead he might want to watch football. Your desire might be to go out with your husband to do things with your husband, but instead he might want to go play basketball. You may want to cuddle a lot with him, but he has work to do. In my experience and in watching many other relationships it is the woman who desires the attention of her husband more so, (excluding s*x), while he will be focused on work or other entertainment of his choice. I believe that is why scripture tells a man to love his wife because love makes a man put his desires aside to please the needs of his wife. Women need that attention from their man. It is something that motivates them to be the best wife. Women need to be loved.
I really don’t believe woman want to rule over their husband. Most woman want a man to lead their house..and we want to love and desire them.
To answer your question Abraham’s punishment was that God didn’t speak to him for 13 years
I agree, Adam was a sucker. And today, "IF" the Husband sins. The "entire" house does suffer. 21:00 HALLELUJAH!!!
Fun how these men are exactly what the lady described in the video
@@jree333 exactly. They're tip toeing the topic matter rather than just confirming the obvious of what's been going on today with the emasculation of men
Right lmboo
Wrong context. Remember, he wouldn't be suspecting the snake because up to this point, conversation with the animals weren't foreign. It was the 1st time any conversations went against what God said. And he was by the tree... it still need maintenance; just not eat the fruit, not don't care for the tree at all
I've never seen one Scripture that says it was an apple, that's conjecture. We don't know if the serpent had already tempted Adam, in the verse the serpent is speaking with the woman. Verse 16 .... and thy desire shall be to thy husband, .... It is apparent that women's desire is to usurp the position of the man. The wife desires her husband and the husband desires his wife naturally.
The (world - unbelievers) is out of order and that's not to mention that us believers are as well, especially those of us that do not read God's Word and are basically biblically illiterate.
The instruction was given to Eve by Adam she disregarded what he said.
12:26 they gon label you jealous and controlling haha
Sarah definitely dominated over Abram by stepping out of the will of God to take it upon herself to solve their problem of barrenness
I love this conversation though I think I have a thought to offer that hasnt been mentioned to the point I have listened 14:39.
In Genesis 1:26 God gave man dominion over the earth meaning he should have told the snake to shut up and pipe down. Adam allowing Eve to be beguilded by the snake was him forfeiting his dominion over earth (and ri the devil) by listening to an animal that he had authority over.
Another example is Abraham and Sarah…Sarah decided to take control and Hagar had Ishmael, which caused problems. God created order and authority and culture does and can’t change that. God, Man, wife, dominion. That is the order God created. The Bible also states when women are in leadership positions that is a judge on the nation. As Christians, we have to hold our sword- look to the word of God for understanding and clarification. Nothing is uncommon/new under the sun.
Read your Bible, read God Word for the joy that It brings, the wisdom that It teaches, the Love of God towards us, the blessings that It gives, to draw closer to our Father, God and our Saviour, Friend, Comforter and Teacher. The food that nourishes our soul. 27:25
I’m only 16 min in so idk if this gets addressed or not, but whether Adam was there or not when the snake deceived Eve, Adam knew what Tree the fruit came from because of the fruit that tree beared. I’m pretty sure if God deemed 1 particular plant in an entire garden ‘unsafe’, that plant beared fruit that was distinct to that tree. God/Jesus uses parables of fruit all the through the Bible, and he tells us you can tell what kind of person someone is by their fruit!!! We like to say “apple” but we don’t really know what kind of fruit it was. All we know is it was off limits, Adam knew better and ate the fruit anyway. He sinned and Eve was deceived. Period. Adam should have corrected Eve and slapped that fruit out of her hand lol!
Esther's Husband and King of Persia wasn't fearing YAH, and she dominated him with her looks and favor to get him to get Haman outta there for his malicious plot. He wasn't submitted to YAH... AT ALL! She laid with him, then was married to him and he never became a servant of the Most High..just a pawn in the game to save lives.
I don’t think either of them had dominion over each other in the beginning, it wasn’t until after they sinned that God said the man would have dominion over the woman, he gave the woman as a helpmate which means they were a team and did things together for the good of the earth
Why would you look into the greek when that line of a woman ruling over a man was in Hebrew
The Septuagint is the Greek translation of the entire Bible. The Jews translated the Torah into Greek during the time it was the primary trade language because the Jews were exiled and the younger generation were growing up without reading the Torah since they did not know Hebrew. If you ever see LXX in the margins or notes of the Bible, it’s short for Septuagint.
Greek Septuagint is the oldest non fragmented old testament that we have. There is no non fragmented Hebrew old text that predates the Greek.
27:34 Sarah wanted to be God just as Eve wanted to be God…that is the desire. Hedonism. That is why often times in pagan religions the women are the “priest” and nature is glorified above its creator.
The young lady appears to have been taught correctly concerning the interpretation of the text. You are really discussing one of the main passages of Scripture known as the "Fall of Mankind" which brought "the curse" which really is five curses, Creation (earth) itself became cursed, the animals became cursed, the serpent became cursed, the woman became cursed, and the man became cursed. I don't have the time or space to elaborate, but Eve was deceived into taking from the tree because of what was in her. Genesis 3:6 reveals the lust of the eyes (she saw it), the lust of the flesh (it looked delicious, good for food), and the pride of life (she desired to have the wisdom), which is all of us. But even though Eve was deceived, Adam made a choice to eat from the tree. This is why nothing happened until Adam ate. His choice was willful disobedience. But God did not leave mankind hopeless because He promised the Savior in 3:15.
The curse on the woman does include both her desire for intimacy and to rule over her husband, regardless of whether he is submitted to God. We do not see that qualification in the text, which is why women must be sure the man she marries is submitted to God before they get married because the curse says he will rule over her.
As it relates to women stepping up in the place of the man, we have another account in the book of Judges where the Prophetess Deborah was forced into that position because the man God called to lead, would not do and she was thrust into the position. So we see in Scripture that women will do what is necessary for the family or for the nation, as in the case of Deborah and Israel. There is so much more to be said about this subject, but I must leave it there for now, but happy to answer any questions about it. By the way, Ryan, I believe it was you who mentioned what happened with the fall of Satan was the start of it all, you are on the right track.
Adam and Eve were to rule together before the fall. Genesis 1:28, God blessed them and said to them, "be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth."