Why I DON'T LIKE The Serato Phase Collab
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- WIth the recent release of Serato DJ Pro 2.5 Beta, Serato DJ Pro Adds Phase Integration for the first time ever. Here are my thoughts on everything!
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Are you excited for this?!?!?
i am interested to know why u oppose HID vs ur tone signal, coz thats the only difference. but technically u should not lose the ability to use it in analog mode if u want to.
If it’s going towards HD audio wireless then it just means that the analog game has to be even or if not better. It’s vinyl or nothing. 😎🔥🔥🔥
Yeah, you buggin. HID mode for phase is the best innovation since Serato itself!
You'll be able to use it in Relative mode and Wireless. I downloaded the beta. You're definitely over thinking this... lol
Based on some quick testing the REL mode does not seem to drift anymore which is also a good thing!
LOVE THIS
@@sirforce
This is the comment I was looking for. 👍🏽 thanx and salute!
@@djkeysroxxx6858 Calibration with the platter spinning at 0% pitch is what really dials it in. How has it been working for you when using the beta?
Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video. I just watched the video introducing the beta and I had my concerns. But you and the comments here have made it more clear. Since having no gigs, I’ll give this a try and report back. Thanks again.
I haven’t tried using the RCAs since the update, but I’m pretty sure you can still use it, just select REL instead of WIR. But this integration is so TIGHT now, I’m ready to throw my RCAs in the fire. Feels like how it used to, but without the crazy drifting. My big test is always chirps (for latency) and drags (for signal accuracy). It’s spot on, will definitely be worth the update after the beta.
Having issues myself with using REL mode and RCAs now, hoping Serato gets back to me on this snag soon. Basically my relative mode doesn’t work Even with my RCAs hooked up? Do you have any issues with it?
It still works with rca's HID is just an added feature
Will have to try that, still using the original firmware PHASE 😬, with a Pioneer DJM 909. Time to update the firmware 👍
You can still use it that way! You don’t have to go to HD mode
I prefer the Analog feeling using Stylus. Yes, it is sometime a main in the butt sometimes coz u have clean the stylus every now and then. I have Phase but it is sitting in the closet somewhere. I guess I am just hooked up with Ortofon and Turntables. Phase is a definitely a revolution to our industry but just give it a couple of years, it will PHASE out. Yes, I use MIDI Controllers, CDJs, Phase, Touchpads, etc. But, I still spin Vinyls and just addicted to Analog. My views differ from others and I respect that.
This is an interesting take and I can't wait to see what happens
I been using the the new beta and I love it. the fact that you get rid of the rcas and then plug in the regular rcas of the turntable and switch back and forth from vinyl to Serato. thwats dope, before you had to unplug shit just to plug other shit in. its dope.
Had the PHASE from day one and absolutely love it. Crystal clear sound, unlimited scratching can go on .......😁
Couldn't agree more!
so are the Serato Control Vinyl are going to be a thing of the past?
i think if plug your RCAs into your mixer you can of course still use control vinyl by switching back tor relative mode. Serato wouldn't shoot them selves in the foot, they sell a lot of control vinyl.
i think you're right
You could try the beta and see how you like it. They have other versions available on serato dj so you could easily switch back. For example, im been messing with the beta at home but had a live gig to go to so the morning of the live gig, i just installed the previous version back. Took 2 mins max. But to comment on your complaint, its completely understandable but waaaaaaaay less drift with HID mode
We need to give this more time. It's still not confirmed it'll work better.. maybe in 2022
The new Rane has the RCA so I got them and they are perfect for me. You should try it. I can see u with the Rane 12 in the future. But HID mode is the most accurate you can get. I downloaded the phase and serato beta. And it really nice. I prefer the Rane 12 myself. It does "to me" feel better. But I still use Phase when I am on Rekordbox
I downloaded it also. Its way more accurate. I like the tap feature to calibate it also on the go.
@@Dj_rueboi yes that tapping thing is sooo dope. you notice that the drift issue is all but gone? it is a beautiful thing
@@hot4futureyears2come it's was not accurate for me until I calibrated at 0% pitch then it seemed to be spot on using WIR mode.
I totally agree I like the needle drop to
I’m new to Phase. What is HID mode? What are you referring to when you say “Phase was once like using a needle, and now it’s like using a controller? I’ve been doing some research on this new Phase technology and I’m contemplating if I should get it or not. Also, for something that cost $400, I don’t think it should be taking away or changing the experience of using vinyl.
If this is gonna take away the feel of vinyl, which is the era I come from, that’s already a huge negative for me. I’ve already experienced that disappointment when I purchased my Numark Mixtrack Platinum FX last year. Great piece of technology , but definitely took some getting used to. It does not have the feel or functionality of a record at all, but I decided to keep it because I wanted to stay up on new and current DJ gear.
It’s awesome Nick! You need to try it and I think you will be sold
Good content Nick 👍
I like the "oh shttt" features, but i think HID mode may have a flaw with motor driven platters. I have the Rane 12s & old Technics-(but need to be serviced) DJs that have mixed by ear on real records may agree.
It's just the same, but better...
Thanks for the vids Spin! Cheers Sir!
You bet!
You're bugging. I'm a fan of phase... like you said don't work about the skip. And your right we've turned turntables into controlers... I don't mind it... I love my techs and hate the needle maintenance... I still have them as back up... but phase hasn't failed me... out the box I had some issues but it's been solid now
well said
true true
I’ve been waiting for you to talk me into phase! 😂 Looks really cool and I am down to my last M44-7’s. I like the idea of not having a chance of the music skipping during a wedding. It hasn’t happened but just peace of mind.
I like needles, I use ortofon dj qberts, bought the phase like that too cause I wad going through alot of needles and vinyl control, but I will use them both....
I'm about to make the jump! Been on needles for 20 years and will always have as back up on deck
they work man, i bought them in the beginning, they were ok but now they are solid.
you'll love them.
The mixer doesn’t have enough amps to really charge both units
RANE mixers don't but my S11 does - in any case MWM recommends connecting the Phase base directly to your laptop!
Using a 2020 MacBook Pro 16 w/ S11 and I get USB power warnings in OSX when charging two phase controllers - I tried connecting phase to the S11 as well as directly to the macbook using the USB-C to USB-A dongle from Apple. Still get warnings when two units are charging. I contacted MWM to see what they say. 🤷
forreal the S7 or S11 won't??
It should still work with RCA's otherwise there wouldn't be an option to operate via usb. But listen I invested in phase because I didn't want to have to keep investing in cartridges and needles, for me hid mode with a turnable feel is the best of both worlds for half the price of Rane 12's. But if you wanna keep investing in cartridges and needles be my guest 😊
thank god
Pretty sure it Will work with the old time code way.
I prefer it that way my self.
Old guy /old ways.
I have been a day one supporter and happy that they finally got this feature released. Typically, I do not use betas but since not playing out I did the update. So far it is working really good. You can still use the control tone but miss out on the other features. Also, you should get the VNL. They are dope. Actually like them more than the 447.
I don’t like HID mode, the new rane 12s MK2 added RCA’s and then phase takes them away ? I had the original rane 12s and sold them because it wasn’t as accurate in my opinion. I always wait awhile to update stuff. I’ll see how it plays out.
You'll still have the rca option available. So that will work better than it does right now. And then HID mode has been added. So im excited for the options. But im still getting the new ortofon needles for home use!
Good tip!
+NickSpinelli you know you can put a Phase remote on top of a control vinyl right? in this case simply connect your turntables as you would any other gigs. You're really taking the RCAs away from the Phase base in theory!
How do you control the tempo now ? Would it still work with turntable tempo fader ?
Yeah, I think you're putting too much thought into it. Just in enjoy. Turning my turntable into a controller is all I ever wanted. Now I can bring them back out because before the phase, my tables were in retirement .
It’s 1-21-22 and I’m still getting drift. Anyone have a fix for this?
Have you tried the Phase in HID? I have seen videos from guys like Blaze where he shows the hid mode mad his cuts a lot sharper and eliminated the slight drift he was getting.
Definitely talk to him about it.
As far as Serato beta you can have 2 versions of Serato on your laptop. If you change the name of your current Serato to let’s say Serato 2.4 and then install the beta. You be able to test the beta at home while using your stable version at gigs.
I was never a fan of phase. I feel like needles were much more accurate
I tried it at NAMM mad long ago when they first announced it. Gonna try it again.
Are you suggesting changing the app name to Serato xx to be able to hold two versions of Serato (original and beta)? Really interested in this.
So wait, I can't use control tone AND the phase at the same time? If I owned Phase I'd want to be able to have one deck in timecode and the other in wireless mode in case one dies or starts acting up. I wouldn't want all or nothing. I went with the Rane Twelves and so far I'm really happy I did.
I think you can do this but I'm not sure
Hello Nick ! Excuse my english i'm a french ^^ Ok i use serato dj pro and ortofon needles i can't imagine do dj in another way, i mean without needles. Back in days when i see the news about the phase system, i said ok but it's not for me ;)
Same here for the most part!
Who cares when it's all digital at the end of the day when it hits your computer. The only time you should ever worry about needles really is if you spin real vinyl and actually read music off a record and not a time code signal. Phase is also a digital component and the fact it runs over RCA and then being converted back to digital in the computer makes not much sense to me, you don't have to read anything off a record. It's not efficient and when you can skip the whole conversion and just run straight USB, that's the way to go. It's just a method of tracking how the platter spins. Needles do it in one way, and this does it in another way.
🙌 I’ve always thought this
true!
I've had Phase since launch but I'm going to wait until the real version comes out!
Nope you are right I upgraded and I wanna go back
You can still use rca. Using needles with serato, is still a controller. Embrace it. It’s better.
Still on needles because cueing with needles keep me business during sets.
It's still exactly the same feeling... But much more accurate... I'd say it feels closer to vinyl than DVS does... Reserve judgement for after you try it.
Rane 12 mk2s come with RCAs so you can choose your mixer to go with it.No tone arm issues no feedback issues. no having to buy new needles unless you still have vinyl in your house.So you can choose H.I.D or RCA.On phase i dont knowThe Rane Mk2s also control VDJ Serato Traktor and Recorbox ...sort of.Im not a fan of phase but i want 2 rane 12s mk 2s as soon as i can manage it.
ok true true
My new phase only works in WIR mode, trying to get back to RCAs and REL mode, but not working on REL mode with RCAs hooked up ?
Never mind, figured it out, I just change my deck set up to CDJS
Whenever you use Serato in general you are turning your equipment into controllers.
What needles do you use ?
Hi. I 2 prefer the turntable feel over any controler or cdj. But I don't think it's the controle tone or the messing around with cables that can break... I think it's the platter, the pitch, the power on/off (slow motor) function that gives a turntable that feel that I love and those essentials are not lost with Phase! The only thing I do miss is the needle dropping to your cue points :) ...But then I'll just use my needles if I wanna play like that ;)
needle dropping is SO HARD UGH
I'm your fan, wooww
To be honest, I barely touched my phase since I got a pair of 12’s, but if I was super committed to the feel of 1200’s, I’d still be on the phase program. It eliminated all the occasional timecode issues with Serato and I didn’t really see a difference in my dj’ing. Phase could be your style if you’re committed to 1200’s. If not, I got a stack of m44-7’s I’ll sell you. (Premium pricing though)
message me your pricing for m447s weddingdjtips@gmail.com
Hey Nick,
I don't work for Phase, but I am one of the admins for the Phase DJ community on Facebook. They've actually IMPROVED the RCA/tone performance with the new Firmware 6. They've tightened up the response and added a few features for the non-Serato folks like double-tapping the remote to calibrate on the fly.
The HID-mode is entirely optional, and you can still use the Phase in relative mode if you prefer it that way. So, respectfully, I dig your channel, but you got some bad info here man.
This is great news man I said in the video to "correct me if I'm wrong". I never said any of this as fact. I'm glad and excited to update
@@NickSpinelli I'm always happy to answer questions in the Facebook group, or you can email me anytime (DJSwitchPDX@gmail). Anything I don't have an answer for, I can ask the Phase team in Paris and usually get an answer pretty quickly. I'm more than happy to help if I can 🙂
Bro you has Great point, Phase helps if u has Function and some bumps your table, Open your mind and he Extra Excited....lol, i feels you and i am oldschool too, In life we have Options???? 🤷🏿♂️🙄😂, So There it is....Right Nick?...
Uhhhh... It's more accurate but you don't like it? :D WTH. CT did a review on it and a demo. The drift has been reduced to be almost perfect. Sounds good to me.
Fair enough!
I see this guy is using PLX CRSS12 with clamps 😂
The PhaseDJ stuff seems pretty cool, and the obvious advantages seem to be attractive enough to get them noticed and get a lot of dj's to switch to it as part of their normal system (no bumps/skips/vibration drift, etc). I feel that whether using the tone via needles or HID mode, it is still interfacing with the Software (Serato, RecordBox, or Trakktor ) which is digital. I think when it comes to playing your music as far as preference of weapon of choice it comes down to feel. If you like the feel of Turntables and perform better on them, I think Phasedj gives people another option to do so. I think products like PhaseDJ will prolong the life of Turntable use. manufacturers are not making big money making needles and turntables any more, back in the 70's and 80's it was common to see a turntable in a large number of households. Now a days, is a select few that either do it as a hobby to collect vinyl, or DJ's. I think that at some point they're just going to "phase" away turntables(hehe get it? meh forget about it) and we'll be stuck with whatever becomes the new standard. I don't think it's going to be any time soon but I definitely think at some point they will be gone. that said, I've used controllers, I still use Turntables at home and some events, and I've used CDJ's at bars/clubs. I love the flexibility of the HID mode of the CDJ's, however, it's been flaky...now, I blame that on the clubs equipment because they don't seem to maintain it and it gets beat up quite often. On a friend's CDJs which were in very good condition and with updated firmware, HID perform flawlessly, but it definitely is like converting the CDJ's into a very expensive controller hehe, in which case maybe a controller would be enough for most. In the case of PHaseDJ, I think it doesn't make a difference. it replaces the needles and RCA's, however the feel of the turntable motors, spin and feel hasn't been replicated to perfection by any other controller. They might get it one of these days, but don't think is there yet. If you think about it, that's what the Serato SL1/2/3 interface really was, a controller in disguise. now is part of the mixer, but is technically there, minus the controller platters. i think is just a matter of your point of view, but I don't think HID mode for PhaseDJ will make a difference on how the feel of the turntable is.
I gotta say... you can’t knock it till you try it. It’s not going to be like a rane twelve because you’re still using the 1200 motor. It’s not “rel” or “int” mode, it has its own wireless mode. So you know they’re taking it seriously. I’m not positive but I thought they said months ago when they announced it that it can still be used with the rca wires. I just had an hour long convo with my buddy B Nice who upgraded to the beta and he swears by it and says it feels even better than before. I’m never one to try a beta when it comes to what we do for a living, but when the stable version comes out I’ll be jumping on it. Don’t freak out. Everything is gonna be all right. Can’t wait!
very true very true. will deff try it
Also.. the Ortofon VNL are fantastic.
i can't wait to try em
The Rane 12 is serious af tho. My cousin has them, and they're so so sick. Legit exactly like vinyl, and even hadls the control tone built in.
I'm a turntable user (Stanton 150 m2's), but I'd get the 12s for sure.
I think they're solid but I deff like turntables better
@@NickSpinelli I agree. I like being able to play with the scratch vinyl I've spent years accumulating. I still want a pair though, lol.
You’re definitely bugging! Lol All I’ll say is try to BETA. You can download both by renaming your current SDJ in the application folder (MAC) that way hit can keep both. I’ll be honest this 100% makes setup way faster and is taking out a possible item that can fail and cause you to have to troubleshoot. I did it on my backup laptop just to make sure first because I can always wipe that one clean and copy it again but man it’s flawless. All the issues with the calibration are fixed. Drift is fixed. The fact that it tells you the battery life on your screen you never have to worry about if they are low because it tells you. HID mode has always been a cleaner flow the only thing I always hated was if you used instant doubles the deck automatically took on the BPM from the other side (CDJs) with this it doesn’t do that and I love it! Just try it. If you need help with being able to rename the old Serato hit me up I can help.
true true
I’d like to know how to keep both versions of Serato! Please let me know. djkwah@gmail.com.
Reviews those roof on needles asap
will do
something is wrong with u , phase is great mr nerd man
Yea .. you cappin
Def buggin
I think you lost me. Same outcome. No more needles right?
true
Stop Being A Lil Girl Over Thinking It and Hating On It At The Same Time !!! Soon HID Will Be The New Stander Saying You Like Tone Over HID Means You Leave More Room For Error & Come On Needles Have Always Gotten In The Way But Hey Im Just Saying.
You would have a million subs with your personality if Djing wasn't so niche.
Yea man you're right, go back to rotary phones. 😂
Real talk
always.
If ain’t broke why fix it?! 😆
It was broke lol
It was very broke, cue drift and false BPM readings. Now it's on the way to being fixed.
@@bboymac84 😆
I can’t trust wireless until another year... just me
I'm on the fence
Embrace technology bro
you right
Phase is a great invention but I don't understand why analog dj's that don't have the vinyl to match a digital library keep using them they just need to go over to the RANE set up, is it just for the look? If you're going to go backwards then that's all good but the industry is pushing all digital... Good luck with your decision!
You like the control tone?! Lol, What, why?! That makes no sense, at all. There's no difference in the way it feels except for the drift is 95% less. No not 100%, but now, tolerable. Did you just feel some burning desire to make a UA-cam video and this is whatyou came up with? Your reason is that you don't like HID mode?! Well, you got me, i guess, because I watched the whole thing waiting for valuable information that never came. Hey, thanks for the laugh 😂😂
listen Mr. Cook. I have 100 videos on this channel filled with nuggets. I'm perfectly entitled to make a very short video highlighting some news and giving my opinion on it. Not everyone can be the CEO of Apple!
@@NickSpinelli LOL. Yeah, not everyone can be! Good comeback
I... Don't get your complaint. You don't like that instead of it using only one digital signal (control tone), you complain that now you can make it use a different signal (Serato packets)? I don't get how this makes a difference, AT ALL.
It's literally taking the product they promised, and enhancing it to further meet more expectations of said product.
The benefit of Phase was never to replace controllers like Rane or Denon (although, it does affect the digital TT market after this update), but rather, the portability of not having to lug around your own TT's to gigs, and to get rid of needles and the problems that come with them.
Additionally, they're going to encode the same bits of information that end up being processed by the Serato engine in HID packets as the control tone signal does, if not moreso to be more accurate and realistic to non DVS vinyl.
You really just sound like an old grandpa going, "DEM DARN KIDS AND DEM NEW FANGLED TECHNOLOGY!"
fair enough