Personally, no. Not yet before some balance patches. Lobbies at least allow you to kick meta slaves (double zimmers/needles) so the 3v3's are actually fun and other builds can shine through, rather than being oppressed.
That is my only complaint about AC6, if it had matchmaking from launch I would have no complaints at all about the game. I love everything about it otherwise and have been waiting since AC:FA for this game!!
dual zimmermans really are nuts, i went through basically the entire campaign with 2 zimmermans and 2 miniguns, crack em open with the shotguns and then rip into em with the miniguns, works like a charm every time (i called it the can opener lol). seeing how they are in pvp really makes me feel like they're gonna get nerfed if from ever does balance changes for this game
tbf stuff really doesnt need much tweaking. nerf zimmer impact, the stun needle direct hit and the minigun direct hit, or even buff other machineguns. The real issue is the lack of missile counterplay, but i think its too late for that
@@pota7opotato573 missle counterplay is pretty easy, just stay close to the enemy, and be fast. I got chased down and chase down missle user all the time.
@@Darklinkftw12it is , bought a new PC and Last week i had time to asamble it.Yesterday i had my First Session and this Game Just Made me Smile again. I truly can say this is the armored core all veteran ravens wanted.
The grenade launchers and hover tank legs you unlock after chapter 4 are hilarious. Just Tanky as hell, flying around lobbing little tsar bombas on people. So much fun
Plus depending on what generator you pair them with you can just run out of energy ascending over and over to fly infinitely without ever having to land. Tfw tanks fly better than tetrapods lmao.
@@LordDragox412tanks are real vulnerable to homing weapons though, especially you stay out of their effective range. they arent quite fast enough to dodge them and at that point its a keepaway game
I don't think that's ever gonna happen. I'm surprised how well the game runsneven in 3v3, but with 10 people both the rendering and the netcode are going to be a nightmare.
By the way, the plasma rifles are just as insane in pvp as they are in pve. I made a “frog mech” build that uses reverse joints to jump in the air and shoot charged shots down at people. When they’re staggered I hit ‘em with songbirds. Very effective and makes people mad lol
Plasma rifles are even more insane with wheelchair legs since you don't have to stop to shoot and you're fast enough to outrun shotgun builds trying to chase you down.
@@Ouium I mean thats the whole point isn't it? To use builds that aren't what everyone else says is "meta" to force people to think outside the box even a little? Keep countering people that rely on in your face damage like shotguns and eventually they will get mad
are you playing with a controller or mouse and keyboard? I'm on m&k and struggle to keep my reticle on target as well as you do. Glad to see you're still rocking pvp in anything fromsoft will give you! seeing you play ac6 was a pleasant surprise.
Carla's OST kicks ass Pro tip for pvpers, don't sleep on the flamethrowers! They deal direct damage only and in pvp you crisp up people faster than with the zimmermans
Dunno if its mouse movement but the way Oro very quickly tracks his opponents, I still haven't figured it out, to quickly face the opponent after they get off screen and track them.(even hardlocked)
I haven’t used them in pvp yet (haven’t touched pvp yet, i will once i have unlocked all of the buyable stuff and completed ng++) but at least in the campaign, the laser handguns (don’t remember their name) are pretty good against most of the ACs i have fought, I literally just spam them (i don’t like their charged shot), before I found out how stupid the stun cannon was I usually used the aoe shoulder weapons (not the charge up ones), or the laser cannons if i absolutely needed it for the boss fights.
awesome build and awesome video man!! But for anybody out there, whats the anti zimmerman shotgun stagger build??? preferably earlier game tech too, but not a must. since shotguns are king right now
Anything that can create distance that outranges the zimms maximum works. Laser cannons, linear rifles, missile launchers, etc. To create that distance boost speed of around 360 is ideal, the higher the better. If your build is slower than that try reverse joints to make the jump boost make up for it.
I wish they had army mode where you had to make 5 unique mechs to register as a team and no parts could be used twice and when you fight your opponent each time you lost that mech would be gone and you have to defeat all of the opponents mechs also the mech don’t heal so if his mech is at 1 life when you start wi th your next mech they are still at 1 life
How does the matchmaking in this game work? I’ve sat for hours, multiple days in a row, and I’ve never found a single match in solos or team Q. Did I screw myself by playing the game to new game +5 before attempting PVP? The only thing I can think of is that it matches you with people in the same Newgame + as you, but even then I should still get at least one match. I’m just really bummed out. I don’t have Wi-Fi at my house and I was visiting someone who had Wi-Fi and I thought this would be my chance to play multiplayer, but multiplayer just doesn’t work. Does anyone have any ideas what’s going on? I’m connected to Wi-Fi and I’m connected to the games online servers 😖
Never seen this game, heard of it or played it before, but this looks SUPER dope. Makes me wish i knew what was going on or what people are talking about in the comments/video
this is like the optimal build for pvp (dual wield zimmermans and the laser shotguns) in my opinion if u get like jump legs fast booster and these weapons u charge the laser shotguns when ur close up to one shot like a melee weapon OP
The big build that I found that farms everything (including double shotguns) is wheelchair legs with dual nebula rifles, dual vertical plasma launchers, the VE-20B generator with max firearm specialization, and the Ayre chest that maxes Generator adjustment. You can just spam out high damage aoe that's extremely difficult to dodge and move at about 370 boost speed, fast enough that you can easily outrun any shotgun build anyone's running and stagger them by the time they get close. The only rough thing is it gets shit on by air camp missile builds, but you can just read their build in the lobby and swap for siege missiles + coral missiles to counter.
Terminal armor is clutch in pvp. I can only see it being clutch in pve if you just finished a hard area by the skin of your teeth right before a supply drop or a boss when you are out of repair kits but you know you have enough dps and impact damage to stagger the boss and go all out, finishing the job.
Dual Zimmerman beats everything both Boss and PvP I'd say if u really wanna embrace that meta slave go dual zim and needle cannons on ur back to decimate Bosses or anyone who gets staggered
I love to bully people who run dual Zimmerman. And yeah, the meta is running towards Zimmermann. Just run a tetra with all the missiles and laugh at them
Nah, it's more like shottys like the zimmerman that rule pvp, since most other kinetic weapons, except the gatlings and pistols for stagger, are a little underwhelming. And since shottys are easy to use while also being powerful, they are the natural choice for many (including me lol)
@@AEspiralShotguns are kinda mid. The real menaces are the handheld siege missiles and the nebula plasma rifles with the VE-20B generator. Make one wheelchair loadout with the nebulas, one with the siege missiles, and between the two you can dumpster every single other build in the meta.
They only counter if the Zim user is bad, otherwise anything that isnt a super floaty fast aerial range build that's never near em. Hard loses. I can say Galting Tank is a coinflip but Dual Zim has the better chance
@@SoulNinjaKenI've been farming zimmerman users with a dual nebula rifle dual vertical plasma launcher wheelchair build where I run the Ayre chest and VE-20B generator for max firearm specialization. They're extremely difficult to dodge even at mid range and you end up with about 370 boost speed, more than enough to outrun shotgun builds and stagger them by the time they get close.
@@Huuuuuuue Zimmermans are not as oppressive as everyone thinks. Yeah, naturally you're going to get dunked by a guy using zimzams if you're playing with machine guns or any assortment of bad missile weapons. But they are far from the top build. The lack of matchmaking or ranked has everyone peddling bad information about zimmermans being "so good". Meanwhile sleeping on the fact that a even a simple pulse shield parrying makes them worthless.
@@Usersunited Tbh I think the real menace are the missile builds. A basic reverse-jointed or bipedal missile build can just be rushed down by a bunch of different builds, but air tank and tetrapod missile builds are just about the only thing I've run into that can win a matchup against wheelchair builds, and the only direct counter I've figured out is reverse joint to dodge the missiles and missiles yourself to abuse the poor maneuverability.
They better, cause the only way to beat em is to play super faat n floaty with range or as my friend calls it "bitch-like" Especially if they dont hard lock, itll be even easier Or dual Gatling Tank and hope they arnt very good at the game. Obviously few exceptions with skill level but that's basically the gist, 1 counter and it's a single playstyle/build
I really wish this game had matchmaking instead of having to find rooms for PVP
Me too man...here's hoping they'll patch it in
Personally, no. Not yet before some balance patches. Lobbies at least allow you to kick meta slaves (double zimmers/needles) so the 3v3's are actually fun and other builds can shine through, rather than being oppressed.
I wouldn’t mind if they had both. The rooms at least give you full customization.
That is my only complaint about AC6, if it had matchmaking from launch I would have no complaints at all about the game. I love everything about it otherwise and have been waiting since AC:FA for this game!!
The game also should implement game chat for teams when playing 3v3. It would help a lot with team work and really raise the competitive bar further.
dual zimmermans really are nuts, i went through basically the entire campaign with 2 zimmermans and 2 miniguns, crack em open with the shotguns and then rip into em with the miniguns, works like a charm every time (i called it the can opener lol). seeing how they are in pvp really makes me feel like they're gonna get nerfed if from ever does balance changes for this game
It's cool how I got recommended this video right after using double Zimmermans on the Cleaner. Loving them.
From will definitely do updates to balance pvp. There hasnt been one game of theirs where they didnt patch and balance the pvp.
I noticed the miniguns being so strong as well. I've been abusing them on arenas. I think those guns and the shotty getting nerfed.
tbf stuff really doesnt need much tweaking. nerf zimmer impact, the stun needle direct hit and the minigun direct hit, or even buff other machineguns. The real issue is the lack of missile counterplay, but i think its too late for that
@@pota7opotato573 missle counterplay is pretty easy, just stay close to the enemy, and be fast. I got chased down and chase down missle user all the time.
almost finished with chapter 4, I haven’t been this addicted to a game since elden ring 😭
Have you done any pvp yet? I feel like I'm not ready haha
@@remingtonpenaranda7762oh god no, i’m gonna wait till after my 2nd playthrough probably lmao
@witchkid66 yeah heard that 😆 I'm barely into chapter 2
It's such a fucking good game
@@Darklinkftw12it is , bought a new PC and Last week i had time to asamble it.Yesterday i had my First Session and this Game Just Made me Smile again. I truly can say this is the armored core all veteran ravens wanted.
The grenade launchers and hover tank legs you unlock after chapter 4 are hilarious. Just Tanky as hell, flying around lobbing little tsar bombas on people. So much fun
Plus depending on what generator you pair them with you can just run out of energy ascending over and over to fly infinitely without ever having to land. Tfw tanks fly better than tetrapods lmao.
@@Huuuuuuue Tanks are the best fliers when you include kick spam.
@@LordDragox412tanks are real vulnerable to homing weapons though, especially you stay out of their effective range. they arent quite fast enough to dodge them and at that point its a keepaway game
@@yimpyoi9808 By "best fliers" I meant they're able to fly for the longest time by utilizing the kick spam.
that was sooo good man, specially the 3v3, and your ac design is cool too.
Thanks a lot! 😁
You can count the number of builds you find in pvp on one hand, and even then you'd have fingers to spare.
If most most hand weapons didnt suck ass there would be more builds
Me with my Gatling Gun, Coral Meele Blade and double Songbirds: I'm sorry 😢
Team battles have good variety. Its the 1v1s that are bad
Dual "Zimmermans" don't let 4chan find out what those are called
Double trayvon busters
I think this game would do good with bigger maps and bigger teams, like a 10v10
U would need a nasa pc to handle the amount of effects 20 acs would produce lmao
Armored Fortress 2
Or 5v5 with objectives like KoH
I don't think that's ever gonna happen. I'm surprised how well the game runsneven in 3v3, but with 10 people both the rendering and the netcode are going to be a nightmare.
Why stop at 10v10.. go for 32v32😂
Lorewise, imagine how terrific has to be watching this match as a regular soldier in the AC world
By the way, the plasma rifles are just as insane in pvp as they are in pve. I made a “frog mech” build that uses reverse joints to jump in the air and shoot charged shots down at people. When they’re staggered I hit ‘em with songbirds. Very effective and makes people mad lol
I'm running with plasma ultra-loght build with rockets, just to be annoying in pvp vs meta-shotguns and gatling tanks tbqh.
Plasma rifles are even more insane with wheelchair legs since you don't have to stop to shoot and you're fast enough to outrun shotgun builds trying to chase you down.
@@Ouium I mean thats the whole point isn't it? To use builds that aren't what everyone else says is "meta" to force people to think outside the box even a little? Keep countering people that rely on in your face damage like shotguns and eventually they will get mad
This was fun as hell to watch, I just unlocked MP a bit ago definitely jumping in soon
Wdym Dual Zimmer is pretty boring to watch, unless it's someone stomping em so u can point n laugh
I’m not going to hold. As soon I seen double shotty I was already sad
Hope to see non meta builds in the future.
Probably will, he used a bunch on stream
Lmao when you said, oh he’s got the Zimmermans too, I thought… you seem so surprised lol 😂
Great content as always oro! Also im curious if you use controller or mouse and keyboard for this game?
Mouse and keyboard! 🤓
@@Oroboro gotcha! I'll have to give that a shot for comparison. Thanks!
lmao you broke the first guy's ankle so hard
I love the electric lance so fucking much
Oh I remeber you from back ACV and ACVD
Stil sparkling after all those years I see.
Cheers from Roh - Anima Proxy Commander.
First Match literally: "Task Failed Succesfully!" xD
damn that white glint looking quad was dripped
I won't lie. That is one good looking piece of tin.
are you playing with a controller or mouse and keyboard? I'm on m&k and struggle to keep my reticle on target as well as you do. Glad to see you're still rocking pvp in anything fromsoft will give you! seeing you play ac6 was a pleasant surprise.
So uh turns out lock on is a thing and I forgot about it...
Glad ur liking armored core 6
those an shen class destroyers i tell ya, raining missiles like no tomorrow
This is a sick video bro
And thus the meta was born
controller vs keyboard for AC6, what you think is best?
Please make more ACVI PVP videos, this was great!
I hope there will be an AC tournament in the future.
I like team battles because I always nuke the enemy team at least 1 time with assault armor and a coral generator
I might have clicked just to see if you put the dingus player in! 😅 That fight was next level with the fake out strats.
Carla's OST kicks ass
Pro tip for pvpers, don't sleep on the flamethrowers! They deal direct damage only and in pvp you crisp up people faster than with the zimmermans
Some guy I fought was running the hover legs, dual flame throwers. Bad time lemme tell yah
I legit couldn't see the AC Doser boss that had the flamer thrower cuz it just lit up my screen when it came close lol
@@soulofcinder2007 yeah lmao I got destroyed by someone using this and the 100% firearm specialization arms - got absolutely melted
I've been using the lightweight tank with dual flamethrowers since day one. My friends have yet to figure out how to fight it
@@sladevalen2120what's the effective/ideal range on the flamethrowers?
Dunno if its mouse movement but the way Oro very quickly tracks his opponents, I still haven't figured it out, to quickly face the opponent after they get off screen and track them.(even hardlocked)
It might be a bit quicker with a mouse but on console it's the Quick Turn unlock from the OS Tuning.
do you do pvp i with mouse and keyboard or control ?
7:38 dual zimmys behind his helmet 😂 Jesus
I haven’t used them in pvp yet (haven’t touched pvp yet, i will once i have unlocked all of the buyable stuff and completed ng++) but at least in the campaign, the laser handguns (don’t remember their name) are pretty good against most of the ACs i have fought, I literally just spam them (i don’t like their charged shot), before I found out how stupid the stun cannon was I usually used the aoe shoulder weapons (not the charge up ones), or the laser cannons if i absolutely needed it for the boss fights.
I think a rematch with FightinCowboy would be super hype.
Tbh if Oro stays lightweight with dual Zim it's kinda a coinflip if Cowboy uses Galting Tank
Thats a good shotgun setup.
awesome build and awesome video man!! But for anybody out there, whats the anti zimmerman shotgun stagger build??? preferably earlier game tech too, but not a must. since shotguns are king right now
Missiles and lots of distance works
Anything that can create distance that outranges the zimms maximum works. Laser cannons, linear rifles, missile launchers, etc. To create that distance boost speed of around 360 is ideal, the higher the better. If your build is slower than that try reverse joints to make the jump boost make up for it.
If you stay out of range so most of the spread misses you you'll be ok.
skierdude here. ggs! Would love to run into ya and fight again sometime.
GG dude!!! 😁
drip king lmao
Gotta look fresh even on the battlefield
I wish they had army mode where you had to make 5 unique mechs to register as a team and no parts could be used twice and when you fight your opponent each time you lost that mech would be gone and you have to defeat all of the opponents mechs also the mech don’t heal so if his mech is at 1 life when you start wi th your next mech they are still at 1 life
Your drip is fire🔥🐍
this game is so cool bro
How does the matchmaking in this game work? I’ve sat for hours, multiple days in a row, and I’ve never found a single match in solos or team Q. Did I screw myself by playing the game to new game +5 before attempting PVP? The only thing I can think of is that it matches you with people in the same Newgame + as you, but even then I should still get at least one match. I’m just really bummed out. I don’t have Wi-Fi at my house and I was visiting someone who had Wi-Fi and I thought this would be my chance to play multiplayer, but multiplayer just doesn’t work. Does anyone have any ideas what’s going on? I’m connected to Wi-Fi and I’m connected to the games online servers 😖
I almost had a seziure watching that 🤣
I really wish the results screen would show damage delt/taken/assists/ mvp. Kills. Deaths.
Is the PvP only 1v1 in this game? The gameplay seems perfect for pvp, hopefully they expand upon it.
There is also a 3v3 mode that functions like team death match with respawns and other such things
Whats that red weapon smthing in 2nd enemy
Never seen this game, heard of it or played it before, but this looks SUPER dope. Makes me wish i knew what was going on or what people are talking about in the comments/video
Earlier today I was testing Zimmerman and Lance, thought I was a genius, first dude I see on this video was using it.
this is like the optimal build for pvp (dual wield zimmermans and the laser shotguns) in my opinion if u get like jump legs fast booster and these weapons u charge the laser shotguns when ur close up to one shot like a melee weapon OP
The big build that I found that farms everything (including double shotguns) is wheelchair legs with dual nebula rifles, dual vertical plasma launchers, the VE-20B generator with max firearm specialization, and the Ayre chest that maxes Generator adjustment. You can just spam out high damage aoe that's extremely difficult to dodge and move at about 370 boost speed, fast enough that you can easily outrun any shotgun build anyone's running and stagger them by the time they get close.
The only rough thing is it gets shit on by air camp missile builds, but you can just read their build in the lobby and swap for siege missiles + coral missiles to counter.
@@HuuuuuuueI think I fought you once in the arena, it was the exact same build, lol
@@Hustler2_ If you fought Hue then yeah that was me.
As a huge Armored core fan. The only issue I'm having is Auto lock on.
I Hope Rank System like Arena Mode come in the Game
It'll definitely be nice when the zimms and the needles get nerfed. They hit sooo hard lol.
A little tip Sweet Sixteen hits as hard as the Zimmerman and isnt affected by energy resistance
Zimmerman isn't affected by energy resistance either. Or are you suggesting he switch out the energy shotty?
Old Vet Oro showin em who boss
Terminal armor is clutch in pvp. I can only see it being clutch in pve if you just finished a hard area by the skin of your teeth right before a supply drop or a boss when you are out of repair kits but you know you have enough dps and impact damage to stagger the boss and go all out, finishing the job.
Is this build good for pve too? Love the design of your AC btw
Dual Zimmerman beats everything both Boss and PvP
I'd say if u really wanna embrace that meta slave go dual zim and needle cannons on ur back to decimate Bosses or anyone who gets staggered
Shotguns are OP
For many series
Precicion nice
wouldn't be oroboro pvp without an easy meta build
Have you seen G9's wheelchair build? That's probably getting nerfed before the shotguns.
I doubt anything will get nerfed before those shotguns
ahhh the fortnite quad pump build
Zimmerman shotguna and... what are those guns?
Dual Zimmerman is literally how I killed all the ai arena bots
I feel this A.C needs some ranking and extra modes maybe something similar lile Exteel had
I have not had the time to play any pvp yet as i just finished the 3rd ending. pvp is going to be interesting but fun.
I mean its interesting when the dual zim users arnt there
zimmers, and shotguns in general are cheese level of broken imo, i'd argue they are actually the best weapons in the game unironically
Nebula rifles and siege missiles are the real menaces.
Sheldon cooper voice😂
Training arc?!
I love to bully people who run dual Zimmerman. And yeah, the meta is running towards Zimmermann. Just run a tetra with all the missiles and laugh at them
The first match 1hp left god dam
Terminal armor I believe
@@nunull6427gawd damn tears of denial is back??
I fought you before in s 1V1 match. Good game
is it weird that im more attached to my AC than i was my horse in RDR2?
They need to add game modes like capture the flag or free for all. Like the game Exsteel
This man has 1 build & 1 build only💀
Im nervous trying pvp. I was never really good compared to other players in other games. Street Fighter 5 I was decent at, but thats really it
Why does everyone have LOADER 4?
I love this game so much that I'm upgrading my 7400k with a 12400 just so I can get good performance without disabling EAC.
This game needs good hardware ? With my Amd Ryzen and 6700 non xt i was never under 120 fps with all high
I wish this becomes an eSport
Moonlight sword build when
So lightweight frames are the meta? Personally I only enjoy the heavier frames that have 18000hp minimum lol. Then again I only play pve for now.
I've seen a lot of heavy tank builds too
Actually in the mech side there is variety, the lack of variety are in the weapons with shotguns rulling the show.
@@AEspiral good to know!
Nah, it's more like shottys like the zimmerman that rule pvp, since most other kinetic weapons, except the gatlings and pistols for stagger, are a little underwhelming. And since shottys are easy to use while also being powerful, they are the natural choice for many (including me lol)
@@AEspiralShotguns are kinda mid. The real menaces are the handheld siege missiles and the nebula plasma rifles with the VE-20B generator. Make one wheelchair loadout with the nebulas, one with the siege missiles, and between the two you can dumpster every single other build in the meta.
imagine ac invasions 😭😂
Zims n needles
what is this build brother god damn
Quad leg high alpha are good anti zimerman counters. But knowing how top play it is another sort.
They counter zimmer by tank dual gatling
They only counter if the Zim user is bad, otherwise anything that isnt a super floaty fast aerial range build that's never near em. Hard loses.
I can say Galting Tank is a coinflip but Dual Zim has the better chance
@@SoulNinjaKenI've been farming zimmerman users with a dual nebula rifle dual vertical plasma launcher wheelchair build where I run the Ayre chest and VE-20B generator for max firearm specialization. They're extremely difficult to dodge even at mid range and you end up with about 370 boost speed, more than enough to outrun shotgun builds and stagger them by the time they get close.
@@Huuuuuuue Zimmermans are not as oppressive as everyone thinks. Yeah, naturally you're going to get dunked by a guy using zimzams if you're playing with machine guns or any assortment of bad missile weapons.
But they are far from the top build. The lack of matchmaking or ranked has everyone peddling bad information about zimmermans being "so good". Meanwhile sleeping on the fact that a even a simple pulse shield parrying makes them worthless.
@@Usersunited Tbh I think the real menace are the missile builds. A basic reverse-jointed or bipedal missile build can just be rushed down by a bunch of different builds, but air tank and tetrapod missile builds are just about the only thing I've run into that can win a matchup against wheelchair builds, and the only direct counter I've figured out is reverse joint to dodge the missiles and missiles yourself to abuse the poor maneuverability.
damn oro, leave some fun for me
4 shotguns is so corny. But at least you're having fun
I wish there were emotes in this game
I'm glad there isn't
Tournaments is a should for it hhhh
Feel like the Zimmies are getting a nerf soon
They better, cause the only way to beat em is to play super faat n floaty with range or as my friend calls it "bitch-like" Especially if they dont hard lock, itll be even easier
Or dual Gatling Tank and hope they arnt very good at the game.
Obviously few exceptions with skill level but that's basically the gist, 1 counter and it's a single playstyle/build
Mouse and keyboard the real op op.
i see pvp then see dual zimmerman........
Laser shot guns are terrible? I can’t use them. 🤷♂️
Quad shotgun harassment build😭right out the gate
8:54 - I enjoyed that. Get f'd, cheeser.
man I hope i lobbys dont get filled with quad shotguns.
Let's go where?
here's hoping there's a balance patch soon... getting real boring seeing the same setups 90% of the time
there are superior set ups out there, this is just a very noob friendly build