Could honestly be the single best educational dota channel, a lot of really insightful stuff you would usually only hear from paid coaches Keep up the good work, Pain!
Sum up: 1) make a plan for each game 2)richt timings for items Rules: 1) dont take free damage on lane. ( dont follow every call of your team mates) 2) dont play aggressive after 6 minute, expect gangs. 3) dont risk before getting level 6 4) avoid bullshit movements, to get your timings right.
Bro, your videos are a fucking hidden gem! I got from 1900 to 3100 in 4 months playing like only 3 games a day at maximum(and it was before the crownfall with double-downs). Thank you so much for all of your educational videos - nothing I've seen on dota-youtube community explains the essentials so clearly and easy as you do
min 9:10 Thats the classic situation were your team thinks you can one shot the enemy from min 4, they want you to fight early, if you feed they blame you and grief, if you dont and they feed they grief you all the same.
Thanks man for the great guide again. After you get your 2 items then what's the plan you have to chose between many things after getting your 2 items plzz make a guide about that too.
I HAVE SOME ISSUES CAN YOU MAKE A VIDEO OR SUGGEST A VIDEO. 1. HOW TO FARM PROPER LIKE 20 MIN 200 LAST HITS WHILE U ARE HELPING YOUR TEAMMATES IN FIGHT. 2. HOW YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH ITEMS TO FIGHT WITH THEM.
In rule no.1 what if your playing a squishy carry like slark against strong laners like slardar and snap,but your sup just plain pulls and auto hits the small camp(so lane is super pushed and im solo in lane and they know that)with no harass or even show up
sounds like every other game im in support is either auto attacking creep wave making it 10x harder to lh or pulling and farming camp all lane making it feel solo with zero harassing so you cant get lhs without taking insane damage both ways feel like they are trolling you way cant support understand they are supposed to ward/deward and harass and only pull if lane is being pushed out
The timing thing has been something I’ve been trying to work on. I’ve only played 800 games total and am Herald 5. Is it possible that I just need more experience to get to the point of better consistency and mechanics?
im mid legend and play pos3 and i can't stress enough how hard supports grief in this bracket. not pulling or blocking pull camp can have a pos3 a level and a half down by 10 minutes
theyre in the enemy team too, if you claim to be better than your team, then your team has 4 players that may or may not be bad, compared to enemy team with 5 players that may or may not be griefing. smurfing isn't as common as simply being bad so in the end it's just an excuse. just don't tilt and try to improve yourself
This video is great! When I start climping from 5k to 7k. I did same think focus farm. Farm and again farm. But I think biggest mistake in lower mmr is ending the game. I saw a lot of times ppl lost game because throw on hg with 20k lead
Those timings at the beginning of the video are quite optimistic. A 14+min bf timing definitely isn't 'bad', it's normal timing with treads and a small item (wand or wb). 15 minutes is normal with both wand and wb. 12min means the enemy didn't contest your lane at all. 10min means you destroyed your lane and are rushing it with brown boots, not realistic.
-You have 600 gold at the start -You will get 900 passive gold b4 minute 10 just from existing in a lobby -you will probably lasthit at least 75 % percent of lane creeps on average, so 60melee×36.5+20range×47.5+1catapult=3205.5×75%=2404.125 gold from lane creeps -your team will get half of the bounties from the map on average so (80+90+108+126)/2=202 gold from bounty You will probably spend 300 gold on consumables on average, so -300 gold From this we get the number without kills and assists is 3806 networth at min 10 if you lasthit 75 percent of lane creeps, BUT you say skilled players have much more gold, like 4.5k or 5k+, thats because they lasthit better than 75 percent or get more kills on lane but the main difference is that they start farming neutral camps after around min 5 on average, they push lane and farm small and medium camp on average, so if you kill 5small*59+5medium×90=745 gold So this is how they get 3806+745=4551 networth at min 10, this is easy to get almost every game cos most meta carries can farm side camps after min 5 cos its their power threads timing, with pt you can farm side camps with most heroes, with someone like dk luna alc and etc you can stack medium camp behund you every minute and farm it at lvl 6 or even earlier, thats how you can get 7k net on alch every game by stacking meduim at 55 sec of every min and farming 4-5 stack of creeps with one acid, with dk you can stack with fire and take 4-5 stack easy with your ult, thats very repeatable every game cos its always awailable and its pve moment that you can practice in bots lobby
Oh, the BF timing for PA is that much lower? Guess I oughta figure out how to shave off at least a minute for me, it's 14:30 on my average PA game, 12:30-ish if the enemy feeds. Regarding Radiance timings, is 14:30 ok for non-Alche heroes? That's my usual average when playing Abaddon.
are you buying stuff like wraith band or orb or corrosion? these items delay your timings. skill build also matters, you don't need to take blur anymore early game especially if you go metho facet, if you go veiled, take it if you see yourself needing to go nc a lot. uncontrollable factor would be your support, whether they harass properly, or feed you regens will drastically change your timers. another thing would be to flash farm nc when you do not have access to wave creeps. i.e. clear wave under your tower, kill as many nc creeps (don't have to clear/manage your hp), rinse and repeat. 12mins~ should be the timing without enemy feeding at all.
tbh, these tips is good for all roles, just that the timings and items are different. If my core asks to do some bullshit I don't agree with then I won't.
Take a smaller time period you can control. Let's say don't die till minute 6 or 8 and control the runes. Or get level 6. It's the same concept, but you start to interact with more factors sooner.
Got another 99% for you… 99% of the carry players play same, as when the map was small… get over it, map is big.. things have chanced… there is no more pos 5 like 3years ago.. its payed on the price of pos1 that also doesnt exist anymore
I dont know if this is me getting better over the years or your advice, I never disagreed more with your video. Neither level 6 of Alch in this game makes him able to lane into timber, nor sacrificing your teams tempo for timings a good idea most games. Enemy commited huge amount of resources and got extremely lucky to boot with Drow surviving the twin gate gank. That gamble was correct play pretty much any day, promiximity of battlefury is greatest cause why. PA rotates to better lane to be present in with her bf, and would kill drow 9/10. Ditto for "random bullshit slander". Random bullshit is the gameplay and it will decide the game more than jerking over 2 minute diff in bf timing. Be dyracho, not watson. Its not only more efficient, its also more fun.
No, you are getting worse. Alchemist can get 6 vs a level 5 timber and stay in that lane till Timber gets 6, he will not die. PA instead of going on Brood on that kill where she fed, shouldve instead gated bot to kill drow. Why? Drow was level 4, Rubick and Brood were level 4 and Sniper didn't have a tp. She would not die and would ruin Drow's game instead. These are things I didn't mention because the video isn't about that. I am an advocate of early fighting as a carry but not at the cost of you risking your timings. There are windows of opportunities where you can do that, not all the time.
Just got on on UA-cam and saw this ❤. Before seeing this I was playing dota for 6hrs. All games i played well yet there is this 1 teammate that grief or just plays like a fking idiot(hate to say). I am convinced that all videos regarding boosting mmr would help you but match making will get the best of you. I started playing dota2 years ago even having the BETA KEY to play it first, but now I've decided to quit. I have played on and off, everytime match making gets worst specifically on SEA. It has been YEARS that the community request valve or whrvt for a better match making but after having win streaks or even 2 wins you will face x2-5 lose. For those still playing good luck, I suggest u play 5man party otherwise the game will just take hours of your life. I am truly disappointed on what the community/game has become. Regardless I tried until now. Good bye dota 2 2015-2025
I play good, but this rank just about who gets the less horrible teammates. I get flamed nearly every game from playing different from what they expect. Tired of explaining my reasoning or trying to coach my teammates WHILE playing every single game.
But if youre dying as the carry, its the supports job to stack creeps top jungle and bottom jungle for u. You have 2 supports for this particular reason.
Bro, again ...any amount of thanks ismt enough man. Thanks for helping this community with your work!
Damn man is uploading a lot lately. Great video as always
NEW YEAR NEW ME!!!
jk, just got a lot of video ideas this month, if it stays the same, expect more videos :3
bro i gained 500mmr by watching ur videos for one monsth
it really helped me
Could honestly be the single best educational dota channel, a lot of really insightful stuff you would usually only hear from paid coaches
Keep up the good work, Pain!
Sum up:
1) make a plan for each game
2)richt timings for items
Rules:
1) dont take free damage on lane. ( dont follow every call of your team mates)
2) dont play aggressive after 6 minute, expect gangs.
3) dont risk before getting level 6
4) avoid bullshit movements, to get your timings right.
Thanks a lottt!!! Finally broke through the 2200 bracket after like three years
2 simple rules for carry:
1. play aggresive if u winning early (lane)
2. farm till get item if losing early (lane)
thank you . pain. I learn a lot from ur videos and manage to get to 6k mmr .) not a carry player but offlane n midlaner also use those rules.
Bro, your videos are a fucking hidden gem! I got from 1900 to 3100 in 4 months playing like only 3 games a day at maximum(and it was before the crownfall with double-downs). Thank you so much for all of your educational videos - nothing I've seen on dota-youtube community explains the essentials so clearly and easy as you do
min 9:10 Thats the classic situation were your team thinks you can one shot the enemy from min 4, they want you to fight early, if you feed they blame you and grief, if you dont and they feed they grief you all the same.
T H I S. like there are 4-5 heroes in my lane, and when we get snowballed ALL blamed carry.
@@DeezBaeNaeNae Thats a classic. It can easily turn the best efforts and mindset into pure rage.
greetings from Brazil, thank you very much for your videos, we don't find such good quality content here in brazil, please never stop recording
Great video! Thx for it!!!
underrated bro thank you!
/not worth it . SKIP .
You should make a video about the same topic but for position 3 or Offlane
Really good video, thanks for sharing
Thanks man for the great guide again.
After you get your 2 items then what's the plan you have to chose between many things after getting your 2 items plzz make a guide about that too.
I HAVE SOME ISSUES CAN YOU MAKE A VIDEO OR SUGGEST A VIDEO.
1. HOW TO FARM PROPER LIKE 20 MIN 200 LAST HITS WHILE U ARE HELPING YOUR TEAMMATES IN FIGHT.
2. HOW YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH ITEMS TO FIGHT WITH THEM.
Why did you say that after 25 mins things will be chaotic and random?
In rule no.1 what if your playing a squishy carry like slark against strong laners like slardar and snap,but your sup just plain pulls and auto hits the small camp(so lane is super pushed and im solo in lane and they know that)with no harass or even show up
sounds like every other game im in
support is either auto attacking creep wave making it 10x harder to lh or pulling and farming camp all lane making it feel solo with zero harassing so you cant get lhs without taking insane damage
both ways feel like they are trolling you
way cant support understand they are supposed to ward/deward and harass and only pull if lane is being pushed out
The timing thing has been something I’ve been trying to work on. I’ve only played 800 games total and am Herald 5. Is it possible that I just need more experience to get to the point of better consistency and mechanics?
im mid legend and play pos3 and i can't stress enough how hard supports grief in this bracket. not pulling or blocking pull camp can have a pos3 a level and a half down by 10 minutes
theyre in the enemy team too, if you claim to be better than your team, then your team has 4 players that may or may not be bad, compared to enemy team with 5 players that may or may not be griefing.
smurfing isn't as common as simply being bad so in the end it's just an excuse. just don't tilt and try to improve yourself
@@shbmd451 yea 100% just gotta play countless games to float yourself out of it, very frustrating
i heard that someone said : Your last mistake is your Greatest teacher
TIL i need to shave ~90 seconds off my dk armlet->mom timing 😭
What are morphling timings? Vlad manta khanda
This video is great! When I start climping from 5k to 7k. I did same think focus farm. Farm and again farm. But I think biggest mistake in lower mmr is ending the game. I saw a lot of times ppl lost game because throw on hg with 20k lead
Lower mmr is 4-6k mmr
Those timings at the beginning of the video are quite optimistic.
A 14+min bf timing definitely isn't 'bad', it's normal timing with treads and a small item (wand or wb). 15 minutes is normal with both wand and wb.
12min means the enemy didn't contest your lane at all. 10min means you destroyed your lane and are rushing it with brown boots, not realistic.
Just an additional info.
If you are being pressured to get the creepwave. Just dont. You can have the free jungle than taking a pressured creepwave
I don't understand how some people get so much gold from laning
-You have 600 gold at the start
-You will get 900 passive gold b4 minute 10 just from existing in a lobby
-you will probably lasthit at least 75 % percent of lane creeps on average, so 60melee×36.5+20range×47.5+1catapult=3205.5×75%=2404.125 gold from lane creeps
-your team will get half of the bounties from the map on average so (80+90+108+126)/2=202 gold from bounty
You will probably spend 300 gold on consumables on average, so -300 gold
From this we get the number without kills and assists is 3806 networth at min 10 if you lasthit 75 percent of lane creeps, BUT you say skilled players have much more gold, like 4.5k or 5k+, thats because they lasthit better than 75 percent or get more kills on lane but the main difference is that they start farming neutral camps after around min 5 on average, they push lane and farm small and medium camp on average, so if you kill 5small*59+5medium×90=745 gold
So this is how they get 3806+745=4551 networth at min 10, this is easy to get almost every game cos most meta carries can farm side camps after min 5 cos its their power threads timing, with pt you can farm side camps with most heroes, with someone like dk luna alc and etc you can stack medium camp behund you every minute and farm it at lvl 6 or even earlier, thats how you can get 7k net on alch every game by stacking meduim at 55 sec of every min and farming 4-5 stack of creeps with one acid, with dk you can stack with fire and take 4-5 stack easy with your ult, thats very repeatable every game cos its always awailable and its pve moment that you can practice in bots lobby
Making me want to play dota again. Wonder if it is a good idea... :D
Oh, the BF timing for PA is that much lower? Guess I oughta figure out how to shave off at least a minute for me, it's 14:30 on my average PA game, 12:30-ish if the enemy feeds. Regarding Radiance timings, is 14:30 ok for non-Alche heroes? That's my usual average when playing Abaddon.
are you buying stuff like wraith band or orb or corrosion? these items delay your timings. skill build also matters, you don't need to take blur anymore early game especially if you go metho facet, if you go veiled, take it if you see yourself needing to go nc a lot.
uncontrollable factor would be your support, whether they harass properly, or feed you regens will drastically change your timers.
another thing would be to flash farm nc when you do not have access to wave creeps. i.e. clear wave under your tower, kill as many nc creeps (don't have to clear/manage your hp), rinse and repeat.
12mins~ should be the timing without enemy feeding at all.
I need this channel but for an offlaner mannn
Im going to implement this.
Me: Did everything but team are feeding.
tbh, these tips is good for all roles, just that the timings and items are different. If my core asks to do some bullshit I don't agree with then I won't.
Are you from india
How can I implement this as main pos2?
Gameplan for sure, but the dying seems harder as I usually need to make space for my 1.
this is a carry guide, not mid guide. you can't implement the same things
Take a smaller time period you can control. Let's say don't die till minute 6 or 8 and control the runes. Or get level 6. It's the same concept, but you start to interact with more factors sooner.
now maybe my pos 1 players will stop feeding unecessarily
This video applied to any MOBA with an item system ( LoL, Smite, HoN).
Nobody can cure toxic teammate
Got another 99% for you…
99% of the carry players play same, as when the map was small… get over it, map is big.. things have chanced… there is no more pos 5 like 3years ago.. its payed on the price of pos1 that also doesnt exist anymore
I dont know if this is me getting better over the years or your advice, I never disagreed more with your video. Neither level 6 of Alch in this game makes him able to lane into timber, nor sacrificing your teams tempo for timings a good idea most games. Enemy commited huge amount of resources and got extremely lucky to boot with Drow surviving the twin gate gank. That gamble was correct play pretty much any day, promiximity of battlefury is greatest cause why. PA rotates to better lane to be present in with her bf, and would kill drow 9/10.
Ditto for "random bullshit slander". Random bullshit is the gameplay and it will decide the game more than jerking over 2 minute diff in bf timing. Be dyracho, not watson. Its not only more efficient, its also more fun.
No, you are getting worse. Alchemist can get 6 vs a level 5 timber and stay in that lane till Timber gets 6, he will not die.
PA instead of going on Brood on that kill where she fed, shouldve instead gated bot to kill drow. Why? Drow was level 4, Rubick and Brood were level 4 and Sniper didn't have a tp. She would not die and would ruin Drow's game instead. These are things I didn't mention because the video isn't about that.
I am an advocate of early fighting as a carry but not at the cost of you risking your timings. There are windows of opportunities where you can do that, not all the time.
cool video, can you do this for the support perspective? :D nice tips for carry bois but what about supports simps
go to zquixotic or something his content about supps are really good
your dota degen names are top tier bro. 1 pls me try best
Thats a very good counsel... Better than all this passive-aggressive BSJ bullshit.
Just got on on UA-cam and saw this ❤. Before seeing this I was playing dota for 6hrs. All games i played well yet there is this 1 teammate that grief or just plays like a fking idiot(hate to say).
I am convinced that all videos regarding boosting mmr would help you but match making will get the best of you.
I started playing dota2 years ago even having the BETA KEY to play it first, but now I've decided to quit. I have played on and off, everytime match making gets worst specifically on SEA.
It has been YEARS that the community request valve or whrvt for a better match making but after having win streaks or even 2 wins you will face x2-5 lose.
For those still playing good luck, I suggest u play 5man party otherwise the game will just take hours of your life.
I am truly disappointed on what the community/game has become. Regardless I tried until now. Good bye dota 2
2015-2025
1pos please, 80% winrate ? i dont think so my bro
:| -cries in guardian-
I play good, but this rank just about who gets the less horrible teammates. I get flamed nearly every game from playing different from what they expect. Tired of explaining my reasoning or trying to coach my teammates WHILE playing every single game.
Spectre is a weak laner? Jeez dude
fairly weak to farm in early game bro
bro you recycled every video clips as you can
ur example is to low for your rank bro of course they will lose
gold!
you are right really you are right man xd (:
Does every dota guide focus on what carry does or doesn't? when will peasants understand that pos 1 is irrelevant.
But if youre dying as the carry, its the supports job to stack creeps top jungle and bottom jungle for u. You have 2 supports for this particular reason.
First
1st
3rd
Fight with your team early. If you’re an afk farmer then you will not win a lot of games
nahhh the right answer is get your timings whether if its on a lvl power spike or item power spike
no. you fight when you're ready, not when its early. dont force random bullshit like he said 😂
well if you have the skills to fight and not mess your item timings then sure. Every body is not born with yatoro and ana skill lvl.