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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2020
- Chief Road Tester Michael Neeves explains how he gets the best from each and every bend in this latest video. This is a promoted film from Bikertek and MCN.
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Loving Neevesy doing these videos! So useful we need more if this sort of thing for bikers, theres so much rubbish out there
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How beautifully you explained the cornerings wow i amazed. Thanks a lot for MCN Always
Really glad this series is being done and being done well! Having Neevesy do these hopefully gives it a bit more credence to those that don't think they need training....
I was pretty amazed at how well the body position you explained worked for me.
I'm a beginner, and that small thing made a very noticeable difference.
Thank you for that.
Michael Neeves thnx very much for these video! Like your professional yet non macho approach to biking, which keeps you on the road -alive- for year.
Thnx
Just the small change to being off the throttle on turn-in made a huge difference in my street riding.
Thanks for the advices, just practiced them on the road, they work wonders !
Thanks for sharing your valuable guidance with us 👍
The California Superbike School are all about perfecting your cornering skills, well worth paying for. This is a superb overview!
Beautiful slow-mo. Thanks.
Not sure why you don’t have 1 mil subs? Love this channel!
Thanks Neevesy! Smooth handling of the power
Great tips! Thank you!
After 4 years of riding I met and x police rider in Peterborough and he suggested that he train me (for free, nice chap).... after only 3 sessions I was a completely different rider, it's amazing the small simple techniques that can change a novice to a medium rider.... of throttle turning was a massive game changer as well as riding to the apex and looking straight through...
Great info indeed. This is info to riders well through the newbie stage, so apparently they are alive and kickin and thus using counter steering all along. I'm confident that ppl after years of good riding still can pick up good tips here - I am one. Why fuss about the holes in Swiss cheese, you don't pay for them.
Good advice always well received,thk you.JHB-SA.
This is a really useful series of videos Michael, thank you for taking the time to do them. Are there any books or courses you recommend to help learn these skills? I have done the IAM which is good, and very much about improving safety through vision and positioning (using the IPSGA system), but it is less about these technical skills on how to physically ride the bike well and I would like to improve my skills in this area. Cheers, Adam
Danke!
As always useful, practical and sane advice for effective and safe road riding. Many subtle points I can use to refine my techniques.
Thanks mate
You've also got to consider idiots coming round the corner over the white line. Particularly on blind corners and blind summits... Great video, clear and good advise
Good point...Your apex on a track is very different from what you should do on the street.
Many people fail to grasp this concept.
definitely, I never stay near the middle line on a blind right turn ... and I got a couple of riders, out of all things, coming in hot on the other lane, cutting half a meter or so in my lane. One of them was even trying to wave to me while his bike was clearly unstable under him. Surprisingly, cars seem to behave nicely where I am riding.
Only one secret to being an mcn road tester. Don't upset the manufacturers every bike is great.
Ooh salty
@@R0BL0W find me a bad mcn review
@@declanargue4571 lol find one yourself, do I look like your secretary
thanks neeves for the real world advice
Cheers MIke from Melbourne
You are the Master Man.
Love this video's!! So informative!!!
Great Video Neevesy.. Love those gloves.. which Alpinestars are those? They look Amazing
Awesome
Your a legend brother and these videos help millions and possibly save lives
At about 2.00 he is taking a left hand bend and is quite close to the mid white line. as such if you look its quite possible that his head and upper body with lean is now over that white mid line and in danger of being taken off by any vehicle coming the other way. Not recommended.
The safer position would be position number 1 or 2 in Roadcraft, they being either position number 1 closer to the kerb or verge, some 2/3 ft away from it or position number 2 being anywhere in the sump line of vehicles, between positions 1 and 3 and middle of the carriageway.
Then always being parallel with the outside of the bend and keeping the same distance or visibility ahead to the limit or vanishing point. That is where both sides of the road kerbs or verges meet at a point ahead.
Then your cornering will be safer, even a little faster as you are riding a wider circumference which is or can be a little faster than being on an inside line with less of a lean angle which is beneficial. .
That said excessive speed is not what we particularly want on any bend, steady round is the way to go with a steady throttle meaning little to no acceleration actually on the bend but a constant speed throughout, Too may riders use to much acceleration and come to grief as a result. Its got to be a safe speed that one can stop in, in the distance that you can see to be clear, to that limit or vanishing point of the road ahead and to always stop on your side of the road.
Happy and safe riding.
Any experience if the pillion seat on the streetfighter is manageable (comfortable for the bike class, not expecting goldwing plush here) for a passenger or is it mostly for show and borderline ar*e-breaking at anything over 20min?
if the corner tightens unexpectedly i need to lean much more. how to train this? in my head is always that i am on tire limit and bike will slide or drop.
All good advice. Great stuff 👌🏼
@Matt Forge
I like this channel, and this is a good clip, but I agree, I was pondering
saying something myself, but I'm guessing he didn't want to overwhelm
any brand new riders.
Counter Steering imv can surely save your life in a
panic , on the road, and greatly improve cornering in general,
it should be taught to even new riders and is in my top 3 or 5 things to know
about riding well, and surviving.
Two basic types of steering;
1 Parking lot speeds (approx 3 to 12mph ), bar steering
2 Road , Counter Steering. (above approx 15 mph / 24 kph)
The two methods are not even similar to each other and both essential
imv.
@@badgerman23 of course it needs to be taught, otherwise this happens:
ua-cam.com/video/VVE79XT8-Mg/v-deo.html
i'm a slow rider of 30 yrs experience.... im not sure if i was taught or picked up a bad habit... as i pick the line of the corner and i go off throttle into the corner , i tend to clutch in (especially on tight low gear corners).. and then clutch out throttle on as i leave the corner... is this silly? or wrong?? (talking sub 40kmh corners - not long sweeping bends)
Great video, thanks.. Do you trail brake into corners?
He says in the previous video that he does but not as much as he would on the track. However the video wasn’t just about braking.
@@Bikeadelic thanks for the info
Entering bend, off the throttle, down a gear giving some engine braking along with some gentle trail braking, follow your line through the bend and accelerate out!
MCN, Appreciate this clip , also want to mention that the self adds that you
add in the middle, are fine with me, volume is matched and the adds are
relevant to riding. What is super annoying is the UA-cam adds , that come out
of nowhere , with huge volume changes grrr, and topics that I usually have no
interest in, and when you're walking around not glued to the screen you can't
catch them in time to save your speakers etc...
Also , running actual youtube adds in the start and end , really aren't that
bad , I think you might consider adding some,
they don't ruin the flow of a clip, and the viewer usually knows where they are going
to show up and can be somewhat prepared.
Hmmm. How about 00.28 if an HGV is coming the other way? He's right on the line and has a loose strap flapping about on his trailer at head height.
Number one rule surely is position for safety, then for view? So on a blindish left hander, rather than go wide towards the centre line, take a more conservative position towards the middle of the lane.
@@badgerman23 Agreed. But I wouldn't be happy taking that line on that bend at that speed. Only have to get it wrong once!
@@badgerman23 and I've still got my own head!
All the comments regarding countersteering should try centrifugal cornering first.
That is, at any given speed the bike has a natural lean angle. The slower the speed the nearer to perpendicular the bike is to the road surface. Therefore the bars must be manipulated to change direction by turning in the same direction as the corner.
However at higher speeds the bike will corner itself in proportion to the speed if you just lean (with your knees *only* no bars) due to the centrifugal forces on the front wheel.
Countersteering is an opposing turn applied to the bar which changes the lean angle in addition to the natural (centrifugal) angle only.
In my experience (every day, all year, all weather) intentionally applying countersteer on the street is mostly unnecessary unless you're avoiding something.
Drill:
Choose a long, safe, open corner that you've done before and know the safe speed.
Before the corner, press your legs into your foot pegs until your hands become light on the bar.
Approach the corner and squeeze your outside knee into the tank and progressively lean, with your shoulders, into the corner.
Get this right and you'll truly feel connected and in control through any corner. Meaning you can stop over thinking it.
*The true right speed for the corner will need no additional countersteer, just lean and throttle control.*
Ride safe (and within your limits, the road is not a race track) ✌️☮️
I'm not going to argue with the physics of what you just explained, it may be true. But I do take issue with your suggestion that countersteering is only for evasive manoeuvres. I’ve been riding for over 30 years, so I’m speaking from experience, not from the sofa. Countersteering provides valuable control input in any cornering situation, at any speed. I’ve applied it to make fractional adjustments to my line when taking long corners at over 100mph on racetracks. If you learn to apply it with subtlety and finesse (and those are key) then it is a hugely empowering skill. I cannot understand why so many seek to dispute its significance or value.
@@Titaniumparts
Firstly which bit of "riding all day, every day, all weather" indicated that my experience is from the sofa. Until I had children I didn't need a car, and only use one when they need me too. I am far from a tourist rider who only takes their bike out on sunny days for an hour.
What you've explained is an advanced "finesse" not something a new rider needs to spend too long focusing on. I have taken corners at 115 with undulation and without losing the front. That wasn't from knee only turning, it did include countersteering to maintain control and angle but my main connection to the control of the bike is *not* through my steering input.
If a new rider practices the drill I mentioned above, they will be a safer rider in any weather. If they try to apply countersteer first they will not hold the same control over their bike.
@@ixifutureproof9286 I suppose I should apologise for my ambiguity (which I now see) but you have misunderstood me. My sofa remark was vouching for *my* experience, not questioning yours. Other than that I stand by my original response - I'm baffled why so many are keen to downplay the value of counter steering as a control technique ('only for evasive manouevres'). To be honest I think, as a new-rider skill, counter steering is probably easier to understand - and deploy - than the complex physics your explanation gets into; which I'll admit I still don't fully understand, despite repeated readings.
@@Titaniumparts We each have our own experience and use that to determine what works best for us. I'm guessing we're also here trying to impart some of our experience in order to help others possibly learn quicker than we did.
I don't mean for the physics to sound complex. In practice it works very simply.
I usually see comments from new or inexperienced riders who are trying to improve and seem to me to be overthinking. ””I need to countersteer here, add back brake there”” too much of this on a bike can cause trouble, and in our game not everyone is lucky. My explanation was to help the drill make sense.
My basic opinions for new/inexperienced riders are; Control the bike with your lower body. Forget the rear brake for a long while. Light and loose with your hands (and therefore arms). Numb/tingly hands come from taking your weight in your arms too much. Brace yourself with your torso. Slow in, fast out and make sure you get home every night in one piece. ☮️
@@ixifutureproof9286 I'd have to take issue with your understanding of the physics at play. The idea that one can impart the necessary torque about the two contacts of a motorcycle with their lower body position is demonstrably untrue. This area of study has been well documented and there is sufficient data to support that fact that significant torque about the steer axis is required to roll a motorcycle at for example reasonable highway speeds.
Can you wheelie? I have not seen any wheelie corner out.
the most important thing with cornering is to drop aggressive speed.
And the rear brake, what is it's purpose in a turn on the road if any? Love the series BTW
Do you mean cornering? He mentions what he does with the rear on this and a previous video.
Or, do you mean a turn in the road?
The rear brake allows full control when turning in the road. I'm not sure of the science (which is definitely a factor) but I believe holding the rear creates a pseudo pivot point for front to ride around, preventing the bike from either running away or tipping in.
If you ever run wide, use the rear brake a little, it will correct your line ... try it. Thats why he covers it or uses it.
I saw a guy crash, spun round cuz he locked the rear brake on his rr8 blade in a bend. Im concious of not using my rear round corners.
@@ayookusanya5437 if you use your front brake around corners the bike will stand up and you'll run wide, the rear brake is for slight adjustments to your line through corners not to scrub off a lot of speed
at 2:40 - have you snapped the clutch lever mate?
Well spotted
Keen eye! Looks like it's been down.
@@Unfunny_Username_389 I've actually cut some of mine shorter
on my dirt bike, it can be an advantage , depending .
@@bikersoncall That's a good idea - I should do that on my KLX (although I do have some fairly sturdy ally Acerbic handguards. Also iirc it has some cuts cast into the levers as sacrificial points, so only the anti-stab blobs break off. But even so, it's an interesting point.
I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination. But I do ride a lot on the street and when riding my sports bikes I do like to find and ride windy roads as fast as I can within reason. I don't really care to go fast on the straights but like to practice entering and exiting the corners as quickly and smoothly as I possibly can. That's what I live for. Most of the time I prefer to move to the inside as I enter the corner and accelerate as soon as possible before the apex. That not always possible or the best strategy for every corner but the minority of them. On the roads I believe it's a good idea to stay on the inside and move to the middle or 3/4 to the outside of the lane. I know you have better view and can see farther into the corner if your on the outside and in some cases I do that. But in my experience cars tend to cut to the inside before and during a turn and if look sometimes you can see where the majority of of the traffic has either be very near or on and sometimes over the center line. So it's a lot safer to stay away from the outside of lane as much as possible. It's easier to widen your line in the middle or exit of a turn than it is to tighten it. It has been working well for me for a long time and I have confidence to enter comers on roads I have never ridden, faster than 99% of the riders I have ridden with. I have encountered hazards in and after corners several times and always had the ability to avoid them, so far anyway. But I respect and believe Michael Neeves he is one of the best reviewers, editor, commentator and advisers that have ever heard. He knows what he is talking about and gets right to the point doesn't waste your time with a bunch of unnecessary information or opinions and explains things in a way that's easy to understand.
interesting that you also corner with a closed throttle. often trainer teach so slightly apply throttle when rolling through the corner to keep the chain tensioned, but I always found that inefficient, plus if the corner tightens unexpectetly and I need to brake that makes the bike totally unstable
On the contrary, if the throttle is slightly open and one is keeping a constant speed throughout the bend then the bike is in balance from the front wheel to the back wheel and as such its in good shape to do almost anything required of it. If one was throttling aggressively then one may have a problem changing from acceleration to braking, that could destabilise the bike and one could lose the front end. If on the other hand one was braking throughout the bend then one is continually slowing and as a result too much weight can be placed down the front suspension units and through the tyres to the tarmac. That would make the front loaded or front heavy and by any slight change could once again mean the loss of grip to the front wheel and an off. A balanced throttle means a balanced bike and that is safest and preferable all round.
@@rcraven1013 in theory this works well but in corners that the rider doesn’t know well, it is not easy to have the right speed so most often you need to adjust. In that case I am rather too slow than too fast so that I either release the break (when I am still braking) or increase throttle.
Have a look at the concept of trailbraking which follows a different approach. There’s also some benefits in having more weight in the front which is why in gravel roads you should stand up and put your weight forward. Plus if you break far into the corners (not a lot just gently so that the bike goes likely into the front forks!) the trail is shortened which makes the bike more nimble - something that i found particularly handy with my old KTM Adventure which i could lean into the corners much more quicker that way
@@TheGhola83 Trail braking is not a new phenomena its just that its not being practised here for road use in the UK but is taught more so on racing track learning days both here and particularly in the USA.
Its all well and good you and some others deriding our standard way of taking bends in order to then come along with your view of a better way of doing it and to actually then promote trail braking. Yes it works well in a controlled environment such as an open track with bikes continually running the same lines round a a known track. ,. But its not safer and does not take into account the vision or the many variables needed on our country roads. The limit point the road, positioning etc. as its a performance way of taking bends on an open track.
I would rather stick with the tested ways of taking corners and go in slower rather than faster. So that with a well balanced bike which one has one can take on most difficulties if and when they become apparent.
@@TheGhola83 If trail braking you are slowing by some 70% of the required slowing speed in which to take the bend, reducing the speed prior to the bend and then taking off the last 30% of your corner speed right up to the apex.
Unfortunately on our country roads one basically rarely knows where that apex is. Early, middle or late. As trail, braking is designed a for and taught for the open track where one goes round many many times and therefore one knows exactly where to start braking at a certain point and what degree of pressure to be used to obtain that lesser speed to do after that.
One should have little problems with the proper way we should all have been trained as to how to take bends . Braking to our cornering speed metres before we start to turn into the bend and taking the vanishing point as our distance and our guide at to our speed. Then simply following the curvature of that bend at a constant throttle and speed and always being able to stop in the distance one can see to be clear etc.
None of that safety happen with trail braking at all. As said with trail braking one gets to know the bend well on a track having spent a lot of time learning and riding it.
Then when or if you come off a track you hit nothing but can easily be killed on our country roads, No thank you.
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"as soon as you touch the throttle all bikes want to do is run wide". I thought a gentle acceleration through corner and apex kept the bike on line, kept suspension mid stroke and put slight weight bias on rear which has more grip. I think Keith code taught this, but is that considered outdated now?
I was wondering the same thing.. I don´t really want that weight change in the middle of the corner. I am sticking with the Keith code way.
I don't think it's outdated, I think he is targeting a some key points,
keeping it pretty simple, it's a good aspect to know, that part where
he says that the bike wants to run wide under acceleration , or actually straiten
back up and head in a strait line is what is actually happening , that's
why it will want to go wide.
I think gentle to moderate acceleration is still used out of a corner,
or gradual acceleration like in the last bit of that corner on exit,
depending on circumstances, but you'd have to bear in mind the
counter steering you might need in order to keep the bike standing
back up too quick or going wide while still in that corner.
Then of course too much acceleration anywhere in this corner
could upset the rear wheel traction resulting in a 'high side' crash,
which is super dangerous.
@@bikersoncall Yes good points. So my general thoughts are after the gentle trail braking is finished i will quite quickly but gently get on to the throttle, such that the bike is gently accelerating through the apex. I would be counter steering as appropriate to keep on line. This would be for road where the safe (slower) corner entry allows for the gentle acceleration and faster exit (faster than entry). On track with higher entry speed and you are near maximum grip and lean angle at apex I can understand coasting before throttle on corner exit. This video comments on coasting through corner: ua-cam.com/video/-LXyNRRscc0/v-deo.html
@@krazyryan10 Sorry Ryan but you don't want to be coasting through the bend.
Enter bend, off the throttle, down a gear giving some engine braking along with a little trail braking and accelerate out. Remember that this is one continuous movement through the bend while following your line but you have to be ready for it so nice and smooth.
No point in hitting it at 70, jumping on the brakes and trying to scrub your speed off round the bend when your still going too fast. That final grab on front brake just makes the bike sit straight up and right off the bend, painfully. Been there, seen the film and bought the T shirt!
Be careful out there.
I don’t understand why do racers trail brake into the corner? If they came of the throttle before the corner there beaten?
Excellent, more of this, please! For example, would be nice to understand when it makes sense to push the bike into the corner, on public roads, not talking about supermoto tracks.
Hopefully he addresses this for you, but meanwhile, typically ,
you can start to accelerate when in the last bit of the corner, or
getting close to the exit of that corner,
but most people will not tell you to accelerate into that corner.
Also look up counter steering , if you don't have that mastered,
it can save your life, and also applies to this question.
I'd recommend motovudu , simon crafar , for counter steering tips,
there are some other experts out there as well , x racers etc.
Counter Steering on the road, and parking lot steering are complete
opposite techniques , parking lot speeds are obvious , but
on the hwy, it's not at all obvious until you've been taught.
Turning in late on the street has almost killed me a number of times, cars cutting corners is a scary thing not to mention busses and trucks.
Good work chaps, don't take this the wrong way BikerTek, but I hope to never need any of your products.
Loved the discussion on cornering - but Bikertek that’s a f*#cking weird ad!! 🤨 actually stopped me from sharing the video...
what's wrong with bikertek?
I found it funny, almost vintage and I am glad there’s a sponsor allowing me to enjoy those gorgeous video
So could body position be more pronounced on the street with a less capable bike?
Always listening, and leering at the bike. Minds made up , the wings are coming OFF .........once I have sold a kidney :-))
trail-braking with the front (and rear) when cornering?
well, he sort of does light trail breaking by letting off the throttle/using the rear brake. And if you want to go a bit more spirited, you can always add some front brake to the mix
4:44 ''normally in lazy gears....cornering''
I agree, for instance turning right , off the highway (us) or left off the highway
(uk) onto a residential / or business street, I'll usually be in 3rd gear, yep, it's
lazy and won't blaze me out of that corner, but also won't torque me into
a low side crash. I learned from dirt bikes , when you are in the higher gears,
or lazy gears, when you're not maxing them out, your suspension is
quite soft and agile, so in some instances that soft agility can really be helpful,
when your in 2nd gear cranking the throttle, that suspension tightens right up,
so depending on what you're looking for, gear selection is relevant.
I remember asking a fellow rider once what gear he chooses for that typical
corner entry off the highway, he didn't have any idea really, I thought that was
interesting cause he'd had a lot more road time than me , that got me
to make a little mini study of it for my own education, so of course it's not
the same in all situations, but if I'm going 55 or 60mph , and I need to take
a right (us) into a , say, 25 or 35 mph zone, I'll have shifted from 5th , down
to 3rd as I'm slowing down, and this transition might happen very rapidly
so I won't actually let my clutch out for 3rd right away , I'm just there ready , then in
the last 40 feet or so, I'll go ahead and engage 3rd at a nice easy rpm,
and slide around that corner stress free.
Bear in mind , I don't recommend any of this until you've got some seat time,
and this is not something you want to try to get accustomed to in traffic, empty
parking lots are a good place to get familiar with your bike.
Yeah cheers for all that shite,ive just fallen asleep reading it
Hi
How long has Rich from Bikertek been under lockdown?!
No trail braking? Good video. I find the BikerTek as offensive....
At this point they'll use any excuse to flash that new street fighter.
Alan Wang #36 I’d flash that beauty too
Get a Grom and u can ride like you are on a race track around town
What about counter steering? When I counter steer, my body automatically goes into the wrong direction. It doesn't look as elegant as Neevesy.
Lean forward with your shoulder in the direction you want to go and keep your elbow bent instead of straightening with your arm and pushing the bike away from you.
He never mentioned counter steering at all.
Just think back to when you first learned to ride a bicycle. Nobody tries to explain counter steering to a five year old as it just comes naturally. I rode motorbikes for 50 years and first noticed the cornering technique being analysed to death a few years ago with counter steering being the latest idea to hit newbies with, when they have enough trouble just getting from one set of lights to the next.
How on earth did I ever manage to get around without falling off..........
Am I the only one that watched this purely to admire that Ducati? That thing is motorcycle porn 😂
yes
ua-cam.com/video/0nCjszTLbVs/v-deo.html
The BikerTek ads are really a buz kill when watching the vid.
We all know the dangers of riding.
Double tap the right side of your screen. *You're welcome*
@@ixifutureproof9286 Double tap just changes the screen size.
I'm watching from my computer...not an iPhone.
Agreed. Super Weird. Do we have a choice in hospital?
but way use the back brake when turn, that have to be werry danger to slide ?have to be werry werry carfuly
"off the throttle turning"??? "low revs in corner"??? ummm.... Should we say early positioning, correct speed entrance, positive steering, positive throttle and matching the limit point of vision. Each of them to be trained. I agree, it's a subtle art. Ride safe
Slow in, fast out doesn't mean low revs.
Enter bend, drop a gear giving some engine braking and some gentle trail braking, then accelerate out.
@@fabianmckenna8197 sure agreed. Drop the gear before entering the bend and keep positive throttle will give the rear tyre the right grip and responsiveness during the exit
You really need to define your aim in cornering (and for the vid). From your opening comments on positioning for vision through the corner I take it you are talking about been the fastest guy out there rather than been the safest guy out there. To be the safest guy out there the first consideration is to position for safety through the corner - meaning if the corner is blind you buffer away from oncoming cars (i.e. approach and go through the corner holding left hand wheel track (in GB)). Or if it is blind'ish (limited vision), you might approach wide but you must be mentally prepared and physically able to regain the left hand wheel track before the oncoming vehicle (it could be a WRX or an R1 at warp speed and overcommitted, or wide load, or a dozzy farmer).
How dare you question Neevesy! :-)
The penalties for coming off a road bike "in my opinion" are more dangerous than falling off on the track
Without a doubt its more dangerous.
First comment to everyone is
*Stop overthinking the corner*
Lean here.
Off throttle there.
Rear brake here, but not there.
Just relax and take your time.
Fusing broken vertebrae... WTF?!?!
MattVasylevsky it’s a road safety thing to raise awareness of the injuries you could sustain in an accident
I agree it is weird and I didn’t get it at first. If they are trying to raise awareness they really should be a little clearer.
Wtf.. it's neither. The message is maintain your bike, a maintained bike is a safer bike and injuries are more costly. Oh yeah, and BTW we sell bike parts to aid your plight. How was that hard to decipher? Bloody hell.
Cainus 83 it actually is a road safety campaign, ‘looking like’ a company selling stuff, with a logo that is supposed to look familiar (Park Tool?). They’re not selling anything.
Cainus 83 adage.com/creativity/work/highways-england-bikertek/2198081 seeing how you couldn’t decipher it yourself. Bloody hell.
Are you really giving out advice about cornering without even mentioning counter steering? I appreciate you taking the time to do these videos, but this is a rather huge oversight...
I like this channel, and this is a good clip, but I agree, I was pondering
saying something myself, but I'm guessing he didn't want to overwhelm
a brand new rider.
Counter Steering imv can surely save your life in a
panic , on the road, and greatly improve cornering in general,
it should be taught to even new riders and is in my top 3 or 5 things to know
about riding well and surviving.
Two basic types of steering; 1 Parking lot speeds, bar steering
2 Road , Counter Steering.
The two methods are not even similar to each other and both essential
imv.
Countersteering is just something that happens. As soon as you throw your bicycle around a corner as a kid you're doing it.
Does anybody really need to be taught this?
Of course! It's the most efficient way to adjust the radius of your corner. Every rider should know about this.
@@kwak1k Agreed, never try teaching a five year old to counter steer his bicycle as it's a natural occurrence. All counter steering does is confuse the newbies who have enough problems just keeping it between the hedges! I hate hearing them tell how "counter steering saved me when I was heading straight for a car" WHAT.....
I was riding for about 48 years before I ever heard of it.
I can't believe that someone as experienced as Michael Neeves just talked about cornering for over 5 minutes without once mentioning COUNTERSTEERING! Before you start worrying about weighting pegs, body position and the rest you have to understand the primary role of countersteering to making the bike turn. Sorry MIchael, but you've just perpetuated a load of dangerous misconceptions. The most important things to understand are road position, vision and *countersteering*.
I didn’t hear anything about Trailbraking as well, I find that utilizing that technique is also instrumental along with countersteering to be really effective in turning.
@@frankmirandosr875 Agreed, trail braking has a valuable role, but more of an advanced technique. Counter steering is something any rider should learn as a basic skill from the outset.
I cant believe that this video is supported by M.C.N. It has none of the safety practises or procedures of taking bends with the use of I.P.S.G.A. It appears to be only one mans way of taking bends similar to the American way of taking bends faster with some slowing up to the Apex and then acceleration out. Nothing like the slow in, steady round on a constant throttle and then on straightening up of gradual acceleration onto the straight. . All with due regards to our forward vision and the ability to stop in the distance one can see to be clear and on ones own side of the road. None of that. It completely fails to mention vanishing points.,
Shame on MCN by even considering having this video its totally contrary to basically our historic way of riding with safety and of taking bends. On a few occasions the rider was far too close to the centre line on left hands and as pointed out in he places himself in danger of being hit by oncoming traffic coming the other way and cutting the bend.
One video to disregards I hope.