A few facts about Jennifer Chiba's action and behavior.
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- A few facts about Jennifer Chiba, Elliott Smith's girlfriend, who was present at the moment of his death. All the information comes from conversations I had with people or official documents (such as court documents).
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Music: 'O So Slow' by Elliott Smith
I'm glad that you made this. I'm really angry that the cause his death was never actually concluded and yet so many people believe that it was DEFINITELY suicide. At some level I feel that I shouldn't pry into Elliott's life but at this point, where it has been so largely assumed, I want the LAPD to reopen this case. Whether it was murder or suicide, this needs to be looked into.
The case is still open but dormant.... But they never closed the case!!
And yet people also seem sure it was a murder.
I mean look at the comments
@@seanmatthewking i'd argue that those who are so sure that it's a suicide haven't read his autopsy report, nor have they read anything about the events leading up to his passing because if they did, they'd surely eat their words.
If Elliott was hanging with a man, does ANYONE believe suicide would be considered a "logical" cause of death?
I genuinely believe she killed him in a fit of rage. Her pulling the knife out of his body never made sense to me.
Well people do that all the time after someone has been stabbed. Thats not uncommon.
But idk obviously if she did it or not.
@@kendall7086 A trained nurse would never do that which apparently she was or at least was training? Or even a normal person lol come on now. Imagine you see your partner with a knife in their heart, your gonna pull that knife out?? Lodged in their heart or call the ambulance. Very very suspicious imo.
She killed in a ritualistic fashion to advance the career of her former lover rivers cuomo…a whole lot of satanists in this world
@@jessica0321
💯 how can we get Justice
Just imagine the incredible music he would've written if this psycho didn't kill him, allegedly.
Everything I learn about the situation makes it more and more suspicious… Absolutely tragic such an atrocity has gone unpunished. Thank you so much for making these facts available to the public-it takes a commendable level of bravery.
The fact that she was a practicing marriage and family therapist before she met him is wild
Unfortunately, it's not wild. It's common and scary. Psychopaths and narcissists love positions of power. We're used to seeing them in high-level positions in corporations (thanks to media and movies). It's been normalized in our toxic culture. But the thought that these people could have access to more vulnerable populations is too dark to address....though we need to. Jonah Hill made a movie about his therapist, praising him and his (not original) techniques. The therapist is a narcissist, and his methods are toxic. No one seemed to notice - so much so that a movie was made about him. We need to start teaching our kids to recognize predatory behavior instead of being preoccupied with politeness and submission around adults.
This makes me crazy.
Also, just watched Heaven Adores You. Nice enough but they totally avoided this topic. Jesus Christ. The guy deserved so much better.
kristicarmen I could not agree more..
I appreciate you still giving this attention. It really is powerful to us Elliott fans
My downstairs neighbour is a girl who I heard several times threaten her boyfriend with stabbing. Obviously i phoned the police, and due to her nature to use kitchen knives as weapons, she got them taken away. She's no longer with the guy either, but she's still a menace and everyone in my area tries to avoid her and her drunk, volatile antics. Maybe that's why i'm so caught up on this at the minute. Cause i'm living next to a Jennifer type of person who could and very much would stab someone if given the chance.
My point is, people generally won't see the woman as the aggressor, even if a man tells people 'she scares me' people laugh it off. It's so easy for toxic relationships with people like Jennifer who are quick to grab a knife to end up in someone being killed. Its disgusting that this case was never handled even close to properly. It is so likely that she stabbed him, even after, taking out the knife? delaying the call? ...Horrific
Thanks for sharing this publicly.
Any update on this case Alyson? As it's been a few years, and I was down an Elliott Smith rabbithole, and found this upload. I remember when he passed away, that the way he died was very disturbing, and wanted to forget but over the years I wondered and seeing this and reading reports make me feel he was murdered. A shame someone so fragile and Beautiful had to go through this. Hope you're well. RIP Elliott Smith
Unfortunately, not much more despite my effort. I wrote a book that gathers all the info I have collected over the years but that’s it! I have talked to their nextdoor neighbor who heard the fight that morning. Other people are very reluctant to talk about it and that’s a shame. I am not giving up though
Where's the book!!!? 😊@@alycamus
@@alejandroaaa here: www.amazon.com/Question-Mark-Investigation-Mysterious-Elliott/dp/1947521683
Keep up the good work, Alyson! Thank you for never giving up on justice for Elliott 💖
Hi Alyson. I'm so glad I found your website, as well as here. Thank you so much for the research, for everything. I'd like to write you a longer message sometime.. it Does matter x thank you. Justice For Elliott 💞
Great job. Thanks for all this information.
Miss Him, Miss Him, Miss Him. . .
Yes. The more years that go by that
I'm a Elliott fan the more I miss him.
The night before all this happened, Elliott, Jennifer and a friend of theirs sat in front of me and I made them sushi. Elliott looked very sad and didnt eat much. I remember Chiba was in good spirits but Elliott Smith looked so sad. He didnt drink any alcohol and barely ate anything. . At the time, I had no idea who he was. A regular , who knew Chiba well, brought the two of them in to my sushi bar in Encino. Next morning, Im watching KTLA morning news and I see a video of the same guy that was in front of me the previous night playing the guitar and singing. Suddenly, headline reads *ELLIOTT SMITH DEAD*. Became a fan of his work after that day after curiosity made me watch Good Will Hunting. Haunts me to this day of how sad he looked sitting in front of me while Chiba and her friend had a great time.
Thank you for posting this. I actually talked to the person who was with them, he mentioned a sushi place and Elliott being in a dark mood. Do you remember more? Was Chiba ignoring Elliott’s sad mood or was she trying to cheer him up ? Just curious
I think depression got him, not murder.
@@kingjoseph5901 you have to consider all the other circumstances and not just his depression. The rare people who stab themselves don’t do it through their clothes, through their sternum, and leave hesitation marks and no cuts on their palm and upper right arm. Plus they don’t do it at noon, in plain daylight in front of their girlfriend. Nothing adds up in this case
People who are assuming Elliott committed suicide because he was depressed need to check themselves. Elliott suffered from depression. He could have even been suicidal. That does NOT mean he wasn't murdered. He was an easy target.
Well, this gives more weight to the possibility of suicide. If he was so unhappy, the poor man might have just snapped after the argument he had with Jennifer the next day.
unless the dude stabbed himself TWICE, the second time cutting through bone and 7 inches deep, he was absolutely murdered
I agree, it seems that would be very hard too do that too yourself, not a lot of suicides are done that way also why did she pull the knife out instead of just leaving it in and waiting for the ambulance to arrive.
@@Gløriøusgøne_9 she freaking showered before calling 911. What innocent person who is trying to save the life takes the knife out, takes a shower and then calls the ambulance?
@@grand5651 no innocent person at all, she definitely killed him, I’ve certainly came to this conclusion over time, but for the past years of thinking it was a suicide because his dark lyrics and troubles with suicide attempts, drug addictions, depression, although after hearing he was clean and doing well when he died and the evidence against her made me think otherwise.
@@grand5651 Is that factually stated, because I hadn't read this about the timeline?
Well, right there is evidence, even if she didn't stab him (but we all know she did!), that she was NEGLIGENT to get him immediate first aid.
She needs to go to jail, but I'd rather see her die a painful death, and soon.🙏
agree
Your blog is extraordinary and well documented. I hope in the coming years you will be able to influence an opening in the case or something like this. Best of luck to you!
Thank you so much! The case is open but dormant... it is such a shame but there’s still hope !
@@alycamus just realised this now, thank you for clarifying. Would you recommend getting torment saint book if you have read it? Having sat with elliot's music for awhile now I am finding myself wanting to dive deeper. The picture book for his Figure 8 photoshoot was amazing 😊
@@maxbrown7471 yes I have read it. I have a problem with it mostly because the author doesn't question the suicide story that Jennifer Chiba told him. the story is told from her perspective, at least the last chapters (and a bit more) But everyone should check it out to make his/her own opinion
@@alycamus ... Yes, of course it’s from China’s perspective. Everywhere you turn, you see her, giving her “perspective”. This is what master manipulators do. They speak and lead a storyline, when the other person is unable to speak or defend themself. Essentially taking advantage of every opportunity.... Remember, this woman isn’t as stupid as she looks. And her expertise is the perfect knowledge needed, to manipulate a person with depression, or to head up a false narrative based on someones “ fragile emotional state”... Did she do it? Was she involved? I don’t know yet, so I won’t accuse her at this point. Does she know more than shes told authorities? I believe she does. But theyre never going to prosecute her at this point. Not unless a HUGE “smoking gun” comes to light.
@@jmflyer55 She most definitely murdered Elliott in a fit of rage.
Anyone's response to seeing a knife in someone's chest would be horror and immediately calling 911, not taking the knife out! Who the fuck would do that?
I'll tell you who: the psycho witch who plunged it in his chest, that's who!
Thank you for what you do!
Thank you!
I sucks how an horrible person can simply murder a beautiful one and get away with it like this
You're a bad person, judging others you dont know at all.
Possible Jezebel... I just broke up with one! They have a plan for you and you can't question them or they get very angry.
Courtney love and Jennifer Chiba should start a band
courtney did not kill kurt but she’s still evil
k She had him killed. Where have you been? Everyone is pretty sure she had something to do with his death.
“Kill Rock Stars”
yup
influence and action. love and drugs
so sad to think he was abused as a kid and then abused as an adult as well. he really suffered a lot it's heartbreaking. and the fact that nobody cared enough to investigate his death/murder is crazy.
Thank you for doing what you do Alyson. Is there any progress on getting the case looked at again? Given all the suspicious behaviour of Chiba, and her disgraceful behaviour since the incident, it's insane that she's never been properly interviewed by police. The case seriously needs to be looked at again. Anyone with half a brain can see that it doesn't add up.
Thank you! Unfortunately, the case is open and the police have kept everything but don't give any update. They welcome any information that anyone can bring but that's it. Chiba lawyered up and was never properly questioned and will probably never be... unless there is a big breakthrough or unless someone (who knows something) decides to talk.
@@alycamus Thanks. It’s insane that the inconsistencies around Chiba’s story and her behaviour since aren’t enough for the police to want to question her properly. There are so many unanswered questions it just doesn’t make sense. I wish there was a way for all of us fans that want answers to apply more pressure on the police to act.
Tox report of Elliot was clean at the time of his death. He was taking prescribed medications in %'s compliant with rX, and no illicit drugs in system.
Oh I know that! Thanks
And? Do you think people have to be high to commit suicide?
@@busterMcShamus right.. go back to Courtney or Chiba...
What prescription drugs?
@@kingjoseph5901 the tox report says he had in his blood an antidepressant, adderall, another adhd med and a opiod substitute since he just finished rehab, they all were prescribed and in regular amounts. it's online if you want to read it.
A FASCINATION WITH KNIVES.
Yes, I heard it first hand from different people, and reliable sources
Why did she remove the knife why?
I do think it's a natural reaction to make, from a purely instinctual point of view. Having a knife in you is bad so..... pull it out. But obviously that's not always the right thing to do.
I'm not trying to defend her, I do think she probably did it. I'm just saying that I can understand why someone would instinctively remove a knife, especially if they were panicking. I'm sure lots of innocent people have found someone with knife stuck in them and removed it.
@@angryhobo212 Well, considering the fact the knife was located in his heart, it should have been painfully obvious that you don’t remove it. Also, if she would’ve just fucking called the ambulance when she needed to(the very second she found him like that) then she would’ve been given proper instructions and definitely told not to remove the knife. But, instead she took everything in her own hands and instead of calling an ambulance she called a friend and even took a shower before looking after Elliott. It’s such a heinous and diabolical fact.
what music/song is that?
Chiba definitely did it. Travesty that she’s gotten off. (thus far) Karma will catch up to her though.
Haha
It pains me to see how utterly incompetent the LAPD was and still is. Justice must be served.
Nice job. I have had the exact same questions about the exact same things. The info about her fascination with knives and her possibly physically abusing him was new to me though. Another couple of sketchy items to throw into the mix. I personally think she stabbed and killed him. But that is just my opinion and gut feeling. Unfortunately only 2 humans know for sure, 1 is dead and the other could have very good reasons to lie. So more than likely we will never know the entire truth about it. The only for sure truth is it really sucks that he's not here anymore, however it happened. Peace.
TheMisterMonkeyman if only some people would talk... according to what I heard, she has threatened other people with knives.
@@alycamus Since seeing this video I have done some more of my own "investigating" and read probably the same things. Personally the fact that he "stabbed himself" twice in the chest is the most bothersome thing. Kinda reminds me of the bad joke about someone killing themselves by shooting themselves twice in the back of the head. The whole thing just doesn't sit right with me. Since the case is still "undetermined" and thus still open with LAPD I do believe that if a few people that have ACTUAL first-hand knowledge of such facts (her alleged knife fascination, etc) and would swear to them in a court of law, then they would have no choice but to re-examine the case. I doubt it will happen though, unfortunately. Keep up the good work. Peace.
they will never do that unfortunately, I talked to the homicide detective still in charge of the case, and he knows every single thing people have told me. But it's impossible to prosecute someone based on hear-say. She will deny everything. The people who told me the knife stories knew her very well though, she was around their band for years...
@@alycamus I have NO doubt that what you were told is true. And it wouldn't surprise me if the case was left as it is...undetermined. If people have personal, first-hand knowledge of certain facts I don't see how that can be considered hearsay. To my understanding hearsay is when a person heard a fact from another person that supposedly saw it, like if I tried to give evidence about the knife thing from just hearing about it from you. I don't know, I'm certainly not a lawyer. Either way I don't believe we will ever have a satisfactory answer. The whole thing just sucks. Peace.
@@alycamus hi,
Were there any crime scene photos taken or any evidence collected?
(Other than the post it note, and black T-shirt noted in the coroner’s report)
Just looking at this from a purely investigative standpoint,
(using the very little I know of the details)
There doesn’t seem to be any reasonable explanation for the total lack of following even the most basic procedures.
what's the song used in this video?
'O so slow', an unreleased demo for his last album
@@alycamus thanks alyson
Where and how did you get this beautiful font?
annika k On sweet adeline message board, a long time ago
Alyson Camus I found it online! Thank u
@@annikak4330 I always thought it was a font I used to use called Mulder's Handwriting. What's the name of the one you found?
Here did you get this interview who is giving it im sorry but i dont buy this video unless theirs a more concrete source
this is a compilation of many conversations and interviews (many off the record) I had with many people. I talked to about 40 people so far, friends, family, forensic experts... I interview Dr.Scheinin who did the autopsy, I can prove it
what do you think? That I am making things up at the risk to get in trouble?
Follow this link, you can read an email from LAPD homicide detective J. King, I've received a little while ago. I have communicated with him quite a bit: justiceforelliottsmithcom.wordpress.com/2019/01/09/an-email-from-detective-king/ and if you think it's fake, I will be happy to give you his contact and you can check by yourself
i have this memory of a jennifer chiba interview...but i can't find it online anymore...i remember seeing a video where she was asked about his death and she gave a really shady suspicious answer..but i don't see it anywhere and now ...is there a video like that?
Yes. It’s in the documentary Searching for Elliott Smith by Gil Reyes. You can buy it on Vimeo or I can send it to you if you want… but don’t tell Reyes, he is very protective of his material
@@alycamus i would love it... i keep trying to post a reply and it keeps not showing up.
@@shellbeach2322 send me an email at alycamus@gmail.com
@@alycamus i just watched the trailer and saw a clip of her...that is what i was remembering...i was starting to think it was a mandella effect. cause i kept doing searches and no videos would pop up ...but i think i'm gonna rent it on vimeo
Even if she didn't put the knife in there to begin with, she's got blood on her hands, since she pulled the knife out.
It’s a crazy thing to do, but you’d be in a panic. A knife is in his chest and it shouldn’t be there ya know? You don’t blame someone for not knowing how to act in a rare crisis.
@@seanmatthewking
I do, because I KNOW she murdered Elliott.
I'd bet MY life on it.
@@NickNicometi No, you don't.
You THINK she murdered Smith because you are a huge fan of his and you want to think that he could not have done this.
LAPD needs to bring this woman to an interrogation room or they're not doing their job right
Be very careful who you " co habitate" with.Damage tends to attract greater damage, and Chiba would certainly make one of MANY recent cases of murderous black widows.She does appear to fit the type.
WTF stabs themselves in the heart?
I agree with you Kurt Sid all got involved with these maenad women
unfortunately victims of child abuse easily seek the same abusive power dinamic in their romantic relationship, he himself sang "i want a violent girl who's not afraid of anything". As a victim of child abuse it really breaks my heart to think of the fear and pain he must have felt in his last moments, he deserved so much better i just can't get over it.
I had no idea that Bobby from the Warlocks was tied in to any of this. Wild.
They dated. I tried to talk to him but he blocked me immediately
@@alycamus thats wild. Its weird how life has these strange interconnections. I was obsessed with elliott in the early 2000's, and in 2010 i became obsessed with the Warlocks, a completely different style of band.
Ive got friends that are connected to The Warlocks, if i ever get any info ill message you.
@@Peapodzilla thank you! It’s very hard to get anything from these people . She was connected to the scene in the ‘90s, she is even in the video “cocaine blues” with Rivers Cuomo, another musician she dated
@@alycamus Why wont he talk?
She did it
Thanks to Spotify I discovered many great artists like Elliot Smith, Jeff Buckley, etc. I thought he committed suicide but this facts are making me ask so many questions like Why did he do it? Omg I just can't imagine him dying. I like his songs so much. Greetings from South America
He was murdered for money. After the Oscar’s I think a lot of vultures descended on him. He was a rather obscure indie artist and his value as a dead legend was much higher that him being alive.
Makes one wonder if there was foul play in Buckley’s drowning death
@@aftrthehangovr8347 Chobi murdered Smith.
@@aftrthehangovr8347 Smith was an incredible musician but he barely sold. There was nowhere near enough money in him to risk something like this - the concept is fantastical. His value has barely moved since he died, he remains an obscure 90's artist. You are seriously stretching.
The most critical parts about Jenn were not attached to any person's name . " Somebody said " is not worth much in a courtroom . Right after the event , dozens of friends were interviewed . Almost all said that she did her best with a difficult guy , and he was a person who wanted to suicide , and talked of little else . His last album is beautiful - and creepy . He was very upset about the details of the album release , and was lashing out at everyone involved in bringing it out . It sounds like the peaceful statement of a chaotic guy . A musical question mark .
I know the names of these people, they are not anonymous to me. I know that, and I am not putting her in trial. Dozens of friends? Of hers? Please name them… see you have the same problem. She had her supporters for sure, but I know plenty of people who knows she is full of shit. Elliott did not want to commit suicide
@@alycamus If you know them , then you know much more about the case than I do . Still , the cops decided her story was possible . I based my comments on the earliest versions from the rock press . If anyone has real evidence with new details , the cops are just a phone call away .
@@jameskennedy721 yes, I have a long correspondence with homicide detective King who is still in charge. He talked to one of these people quite recently. And the case is still open to this day
she used to hit Elliott :( she was his abuser :(
Do you have other sources than mine? I would be very interested. Thank you
She now lives in South Wales as a therapist
I know! Do you have any contact?
Chiba sucks either way.
Do you know her?
@@alycamus Nah. Still just trying to crawl my way out of this rabbit hole. Pretty sure we spoke on Reddit via message.
@@louieo.blevinsmusic4197 ah okay! Thank you
@@alycamus was that you? Haha I’ve already forgotten my Reddit user name. Do Crocodile Tears ring a bell?
Did she receive anything from his estate?
No she didn’t get anything! But she really tried for several years
There is only one form of justice for Elliott Smith:
Chiba needs to suffer EXACTLY as Elliott did. And I pray she will.
Prayers sent. 🙏
Gods justice will prevail. He knows . There are three who know what happen. God knows ! It’ll be ok. I’m sure he’s in heaven. And she shall reap if she sowed
She killed him
Don’t wanna immediately jump to “she definitely murdered him 100%” but it’s a weird situation for sure. Elliot’s alleged defence wounds combined with her trying to flee the country after his death especially raise a brow. Shame half of the quotes about chiba in this aren’t attributed to anyone by name, kinda makes them worthless and totally unusable as evidence.
It’s a shame people are not willing to speak on the record but in the end, I don’t blame them. She sued the estate, then sued her lawyer when she lost the lawsuit. She threatened to sue the new owners of New Monkey and a few other people. What can I say, people do not want to speak against her because she is litigious. The alleged defense wounds are just one thing, there are many other things that make this case very suspicious. It’s impossible to use any of this in court or to be 100% certain but it is surely bizarre
@@alycamus Yeah I agree, I wouldn’t wanna be on her bad side either
@@zoinks7014 on the other hand, she hasn’t tried to sue me and I have written a book about the case!
@@alycamus EXACTLY!
What is the name of your book and where can I procure a copy?
@@NickNicometi thank you for your interest. It’s called: A question mark: an investigation into the mysterious death of Elliott Smith, and you can find it on Amazon or Geniusbooks. Thanks!
Where is her video saying " I didn't kill him" ?
It’s gone.. copyrights reason
@@alycamus Do you know if it's been backed up? It'd be great to analyze her body language.
I found it if you’re interested. I’d be willing to post it to my channel if you’re not willing to risk the copyright stuff. Let me know.
@@StuffnSuch Could you send It to me????
@@StuffnSuch how do iview the video?
this feels like a sloppy murder. they probably got into a fight and she stabbed him with the anger of the moment. then didn't know what to do about her fingerprints on the knife so just said she pulled it. she even took a shower like really? she wanted to blame it on suicide so wrote a note quickly. she even sued his family for money after. so sad. i can't say for sure she did it, i wasn't there. but everything points to it. how did they not investigate it further? makes no sense to me
I dunno. Seems to me if you switched sexes and a dude said him and his girl were fighting and when he got out of the shower there was a knife plunged in his girlfriends chest and he pulled it out, and there was possible defensive wounds on her hands and arms he’d be locked up on the spot.
Oh absolutely, I have said this many times!
Has anyone ever thought he possibly inflicted the first wound then she delivered the second one?
Why would she have done this? People have suggested this before but I don’t understand: why would she help him kill himself?
i think she’s a handler
It sounds like Jennifer took a little inspiration from Courtney Love's playbook.
Murdering devil of a woman
If you're not providing the names of the people you claim said these things, then there is no way to verify any of it. It could be true, or you could just be making it all up.
These people want to stay anonymous, I don’t want to betray them. Believe what you want, but do you really think I would make things like these up? In what purpose? Plus, I am taking some real risks here
So much for patriarchy
funnily it's actually a stone cold fact that there is a gender bias in the judicial system in favour of women.
wtf does the patriarchy gotta do with this
WhT COMES AROUN DO GOES AROUND SHE WILL PAY HER KARMA GOD WILL TAKE CREN OF HER HER KIDS
Scorcho
El Scorcho?
@@alycamus yup...the song is about Chiba, and I never noticed it 😅 Rivers Cuomo dated with her...Maybe he bought her flight to Hong-Kong
@@yedamfernandez2202 This is what I heard! Several songs on Pinkerton are about her
@@alycamus In fact weezer's entire unreleased opera album "Songs from the black hole" talks about a toxic relationship between Maria (Chiba) and Jonas (Cuomo). After Elliot died Rivers wrote the song "the other way" included in 2005 Weezer's album in a way to console her. Wow what a stories man 🤯
@@yedamfernandez2202 I know that too! I wish Cuomo would talk more about Chiba. She seems to be a big part of his life and he only calls her my ‘quasi girlfriend of the ‘90s’?
how would chiba be pregnant with some band members child would have kept eliot "bound" to her?
By making him believe the baby was his child
please explain the woman logic behind..why not do eliot? @@alycamus
@@felixflatterer6646 apparently they were having difficulties, their relationship was falling apart. And Chiba said to the person who spoke to me “I don’t know what I could do to keep him”
What??First aid training 😳???
she is a trained therapist: www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-chiba-ab6a6737/?originalSubdomain=uk
Not good 👎CPR training 😕
His lyrics are far too filled with mentions of suicide, especially from that time period, for me to really believe anything else. In kings crossing he even talks about tools on a tray as if it would be something metallic like a knife. She shouldn’t have pulled the knife out though.
Oh please not this tired argument again. First of all, a lot of the songs from his last album are old songs, which were written a long time ago. Then Elliott said it many times, his songs were not autobiographical, he was not always writing about himself.
@@alycamus Right? And even if Elliott was depressed - let's go so far as to say suicidal (which I'm not going to just assume) - that doesn't mean he wasn't murdered. Being depressed (and or suicidal) and being murdered can co-occur. *insert sarcastic gif of mind being blown*
I don’t believe anyone would stab themselves in the chest. and I don’t believe he was suicidal. And I believe he really did want to write and play and perform the rest of his life.
ES referenced his future death many times throughout his work and how he made a deal. Misspelling his own name in the "suicide note", being happier and sober at the time of his death, having hesitation wounds around his body/arms, and being on a label called Kill Rock Stars seems pretty obvious to me.
You are completely wrong. The wounds on his arm and palm are not hesitation wounds by definition. What does his label name have to do with his death? Sorry but that’s stupid. And his name was not misspelled on the note, it was a mistake done by the coroner/police officer. Stop the misinformation.
I don't know much about Jennifer Chiba, but I can tell you for sure (because I suffer from these too) that Elliott Smith was bipolar and had Borderline Personality Disorder. With BPD you are prone to self-image problems, unstable relationships, self-harm, and of course...impulsive behavior. First I should say that if you see someone a few days before they died and they "seemed happy" doesn't mean anything. Elliott might have just been polite or maybe he was manic. Second, relationships can get to extremes. Angry, frustration, guilt, hopelessness. When you are in that place, impulsive behavior is very literal. With adrenaline pumping and wanting to give up, you most certainly can impulsively stab yourself, even multiple times (I've come close with knife in hand and I've gone through with other terrible impulsive self-harm). Regarding Jennifer Chiba, she could definitely have similar mental health issues but it is very uncommon to harm others, these disorders are rarely homicidal and most always suicidal. What would you do if the person you loves stabbed themselves? With panic mode set it, not many people are going to remember or even know that they shouldn't pull the knife out. Why did it take her so long to call 911? She was probably crying over Elliott's body and terrified. Why did she leave the country and stay out of the spotlight? Because people like you and thousands more accuse her of killing him. How would you like that? She feels responsible for his death and tormented by the fact that removing the knife might have killed him. And everybody is saying "hey, you killed Elliott!". She will be forever traumatized by that day, leave this conspiracy stuff alone.
she never felt responsible for his death, she declared to MTV 'it's not my fault'... she even said in Reyes' documentary that she was told that the wounds were fatal 'whether the knife was removed or not'. And unless you are a doctor who has had Elliott as a patient, you cannot diagnose him, and cannot say 'I can tell you for sure'. Look, I am not pushing Elliott's problems under the rug, but I sent the autopsy report to several highly qualified forensic experts and they all found his death highly suspicious. it's extremely rare to commit suicide by stabbing yourself twice through your clothes, without any hesitation marks while injuring your sternum. And it's not a conspiracy theory, I regularly talk to homicide detective KIng, who is still in charge of this OPEN case. This is one of his emails, and the proof he is taking all this very seriously: justiceforelliottsmithcom.wordpress.com/2019/01/09/an-email-from-detective-king/
I should also add that I talked to a neighbor who was next door when this happened, he had a few interesting things to say: justiceforelliottsmithcom.wordpress.com/2020/01/13/jennifer-chibas-next-door-neighbor-talks/
and the fact she was sleeping with drummer Robin Peringer shortly after Elliott's death can tell you how traumatized she was.
Yeah honestly the bottom line is we dont know and no doubt they had an unstable relationship but it seems unlikely that she would murder him and this video doesnt have reputable proof that the interviews are real or if the people talking have any idea
@@ebbtide4233 if you want all the details, go to my website (justiceforelliottsmithcom.wordpress.com), some people want to stay anonymous (I have to respect this, and believe me I would really prefer to give their names for obvious reasons) but I talked to many people, I am not lying. The last one is the next-door neighbor (not even included in this video) who talked on the record. And detective King's emails give me some serious validity. The case is OPEN.
@Mac Jones she was never an official suspect but the case is open, not cold. She is a therapist in the UK now
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not to mention he cut himself he slit his wrists, i guess people that self harm all their lives never kill themselves, jennifer chiba never wrote a song u liked so shes not a real human being huh? she’s some evil villain in ur pointless fantasy world, they loved each other, he fucked everything up not her
No there was no scar, fresh or old, on his wrists. He did not slit his wrists. Again read the autopsy report, it’s clearly stated, and these are objective facts
This has nothing to do with whom I like or not. I did A LOT of research and you don’t know anything about her
@@alycamus can u even play good to go on guitar ? i feel really sorry for u man, im as obsessed with elliott smith as you are but u are in denial, why people don’t like her is beyond me, its well documented she was doing everything for him and taking care of him, i feel like u dont know how powerful hard drugs are, i just learned how to play the biggest lie, kinda wanna learn no life, i think u just hate women
i guess the guy who had documented suicide attempts, countless songs about suicide, life long obsession with death and suicide, all kinds of addictions and was on all kinds of fucked up antidepressants didn’t kill himself, none of his friends were surprised, he fell out with all his friends, alot of them described him as very selfish towards the end, just on suicide watch, he fell out with jon brion all these people who were there for him, he was 100% inconsolable, its so obvious, plus it was back then like we didn’t know as much about all those fucked up antidepressants he was on, he tried to cold turky quit heroin, i think it was the drugs mixed with the antidepressants that lead to his suicide, he would talk about suicide constantly which is usually what people do before they finally actually do it
i dont know if any of y’all have ever done meth or heroin but i can tell u first hand they fuck up ur brain very bad, he was not thinking clearly, he was deluded, he thought people were spying on him, he literally went fucking insane, paranoid delusions, meth literally will make u fucking kill yourself, he destroyed his brain with drugs
You are wrong on many points: suicide ideation is different from being suicidal. And what suicide attempts? The cliff episode was proven not to be one (he was drunk, upset and it was dark, he didn’t even know there was a cliff there. Plus someone ran with Elliott and fell with him). What are the other presumed suicide attempts? Is taking drugs considered like a suicide attempt? There are no other examples, even Chiba said to the police that there was ONE possible suicide attempt (it’s in the police report, you can check) and she was referring to the cliff episode which I repeat was not a suicide attempt. She didn’t say he tried to kill himself many times…
None of his friends were surprised? Again this is incorrect, I talked to many people who knew him and they are very divided on the subject.
Did you talk to him at the end? I actually met and talked to Elliott a few months before he died. He was clean had many projects and was doing very well. Depression was part of his life, he was taking his meds but was not abusing them (as the toxicology report confirmed)… he did not go cold turkey as it was reported
He had no illegal drugs in his system when he died, he had therapeutic doses of antidepressants and ADHD meds. You can check all the details on the available toxicology report.
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he killed himself, u people should all be ashamed of yourselves, he was the greatest musician to ever live, but the fact is he killed himself
It’s not a fact as long as the investigation is open. Learn a few facts about the case please.
@@alycamus u are sick, its all conjecture and bullshit, “she had a fascination with knives” get the fuck out of here with that made up bullshit, u people are really fucked in the head, why do u want to scapegoat a woman? that poor fucking woman is traumatized for the rest of her life because our hero, our god: elliott smith fucking selfishly killed himself basically in front of her to win a fucking argument, she has to live with that Forever
I wish you and everyone else would let the man rest. It's entirely likely he offed himself. It's entirely likely he didn't. Go find a hobby. Write some songs. Do something besides spin ur wheels, please.
Why does it bother you? It’s always commendable to be looking for the truth, told me someone, and this is what I am doing. Plus, two members of Elliott’s close family approve what I am doing so I really don’t need your approval.
also, I didn't write a song, but I did write a book
@@alycamus .... Don’t listen to the Bu//sh!t, keep doing what you’re doing. The truth is what’s important. And there are way to many unanswered questions and “convenient circumstances” to overlook the high possibility of foul play.
@@jmflyer55 thank you! I don’t listen to the bullshit!
@@RustinChole this one: www.amazon.com/Question-Mark-Investigation-Mysterious-Elliott/dp/1947521683 We may never know but there are a lot of reasons to be suspicious. Even the detectives are since they never closed the case. As for removing the knife, I agree, especially since wound #2 was 5-7 inch-deep. Plus she did it when Elliott was still standing, imagine how gruesome this must have been.
She did it