Evolution of Ventriloquist and Scarface in Cartoons, Movies & TV in 7 Minutes (2019)
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- Опубліковано 3 бер 2019
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A look at how much animated and live-action Ventriloquist and Scarface have changed since 1993.
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1. Batman: The Animated Series (1993) - George Dzundza
2. The New Batman Adventures (1997) - George Dzundza
3. Batman Beyond (1999) - Non-speaking cameo
4. Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker (2000) - Non-speaking cameo
5. Justice League (2003) - Non-speaking part Alternate dimension
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7. The Batman (2004) - Dan Castellaneta
8. Justice League Unlimited (2005) - Non-speaking cameo
9. The Batman vs. Dracula (2005) - Non-speaking part
10. Scooby-Doo! & Batman: The Brave and the Bold (2018) - Non-speaking part
11. Titans (2018) - Non-speaking part
12. Gotham (2019) - Andrew Sellon
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Scarface is one of the most underrated batman villains
One of the more fascinating ones too. His two sides are even more distinguished than two-face. Of all the Arkham baddies, this is the one I feel most sorry for. Many of the others embrace their insanity, revel in it. This guy really struggles with his problem.
Hands down
@@travisfields157 at first when I heard of the villain I thought it was a joke... now seeing this he actually seems like a pretty good one
how the hell DC comics bad guys all end up following orders from nut jobs, like Joker or this
@@whoelsebutmeofcoursei I literally just had the same thought. It is ridiculous. They seriously need to unionize or something. Especially since their nutjob bosses kill them off willie-nillie.
An underrated Batman Rouge.
Agreed he would be perfect for the movies a perfect psychological yet sympathetic villain
Created by Judge Dredd creator John Wagner.
Rogue.*
So true
Underrated but interesting Batman villain
This villain cracks me up the idea of someone being bossed around by his own hand is just hilarious
Robert Hosford I've been bossed around by my own hand on more than one occasion in my life! HaHahahaha!
The doll is actually cursed.
andy pete what? Like a Chucky kinda thing?
@@demoneon9527 in one of the storys he curved from a tree where they hung a gangster or gangsters I can't remember
The entire plot of the second south park game lol
I think on the last Scarface's appearance instead of being a cursed dummy, the ventriloquist is just crazy.
We can see that on the cartoons Scarface can shoot weapons, talk by, move without the ventriloquist and even teleport to him.
while on gotham you can see the ventriloquist shooting the guns, controlling Scarface and talk for him.
Scarface always has needed the vetriloquist, he can't move or talk without him
I’m pretty sure the ventriloquist has a multi personality disorder
LOL What? In ALL of the cartoons Scarface needs someone to move him around, he can't "shoot weapons, talk by, move without the ventriloquist and even teleport to him" AT ALL in anyway, that was just someone else TRICKING the Ventriloquist that the dummy is alive but he's not. It's all just a trick. The doll isn't magic at all in ANY of the animations at all, he NEEDS a person to do everything because the doll is just that, just a doll, it's ALL been the Ventriloquist. It's NEVER been a "cursed" dummy at all, The ventriloquist IS just crazy from the start as that's how it's ALWAYS have been. Don't know how you can even say that or how your comment got so many likes because it's so wrong in every way. Just stop.
Scarface was never a cursed dummy. In season/ episode 4: Double Talk, the gang deceives Arnold because they want Scarface back.
The Ventriloquist is one of the most under used batman villains. Awesome hes in Gotham.
Only apparently dead -- again.
@@MFPhoto1 I admit I'm not caught up on Gotham. That sucks.
Scarface is the villain but ok
Its Penn the guy that worked for penguin
What u talkin about the one in Gotham is garbage. Does a terrible job.
I love how the 2004 series not only has an absurdly high pedigree for voice actors, but also had the voice actors of his goons be the same as Sandman and Rhino in Spectacular Spider-Man.
yeah, i noticed that (and why didn't everybody?)
the 2004 always cracks me up because all I can here from scarface is Krusty the Clown
I knew gotham would have him eventually he's the perfect villain for the show
Too bad he didn’t last.
BlackCover95 Exactly, I love Gotham but they keep killing off their villains before Batman even exists
@@mikeoxmall3357 that's why it is thrash because certain villains existed because of batman (The joker only exists for batman) or they became villains after batman started his crusades.
Joker That’s why they didn’t make Joker yet.
@@Pancombine18 I mean technically they never called him joker. Plus Bruce kinda made Jeremiah into hik
Wow talk about a serious case of double personality. I wonder who is worse Scarface or Two Face?
Scarface... at the least, he can stay hidden within Arthur Wesker's psyche until the puppet comes into play. Two Face doesn't have that luxury... the conflict between Harvey Dent and Big Bad Harv is more primal, considering it's in one unsevered body (and that's before you take his Judge persona into account.)
Diavolo/Doppio's maybe
Radical left/ Right wing
Fausto Olivares not really considering both diavolo and doppio work together as a team, and show each other respect rather than being enemies
Scarface because he's actually tried to kill Arnold despite the fact that it would kill him too. Two-Face seems to at least acknowledge that fact.
*when the villian that sounds more like a concept for childrens shows is more creepy and serius that others villians* xd
Batman has the best villains tbh.
God ! His live action appearance is more creepy than Slappy and Chucky.
I think is uglier than animated version
*creepier
All of the *Gotham* villains we're amazing!
What about Annabelle?
Anabelle sucks
3:10 i always thought it was hilarious how they lobotomized scarface and not arnold.
I think the doctors probably watched Child's Play, Annabelle, and read a couple Slappy Goosebumps books before the lobotomy and forgot that Scarface wasn't actually alive.
@@hfhxgdytfyguyghfyfhrbt6gxc749 the burn marks on the heads of the villains imply that Superman lobotomized all the villains like he did with doomsday earlier that episode. Which means that _Superman_ seriously thought Scarface was alive.
@@tomsmurf4225 Not at all. You miss the point. The point is that as long as Arnold THINKS that Scarface is lobotomized, than he will be rendered harmless. Like, how do you not get it? Superman did that because as long as the Ventriloquist perceives Scarface to be dead, he is dead. And isn't that just really dark? It really shows the depth of his sickness that it's all it takes. You can smash Scarface into a million peices, but Arnold will be compelled to make or find another. You can take it away from him and he'll do the same. But let him KEEP it, and make him believe his brain no longer works, and he'll believe it. Moreover, as long as he perceives it, he'll also be partially lobotomized by proxy. He's just going to be stuck holding what he thinks is a living corpse.
@@tomsmurf4225 Scarface is alive in some versions. The Doll is cursed because it was carved out of a tree a Gangster was hung from.
I like to think that, because Arnold thinks Scarface is alive, lobotomizing Scarface, a literal puppet, convinces him that that’s exactly what happened and he plays it off that way.
Batman logic, throws batarang, cuts clean through wood, but just smacks a guy in the face
Batman has different kinds of batarangs. The razor sharp ones are for cutting things like cable or chains, and the duller ones are used mainly to knock guns and weapons out of criminals hands.
Those were smackarangs
@@juniorzablosky9608 So basically, he has the basic batarang, and then a batarang he taped razorblades to?
Oh, oh maybe because it's a kids show and they needed to reframe from the bloodshed.
@@pickleproductions5736 Not quite. He sharpens some, and intentionally dulls others.
"non-speaking part". Those words have never been funnier.
Took me a second.
It’s interesting how in the first few clips, when scarface was on his hand controlling him, his glasses were opaque, you couldn’t see through em to see his eyes, he wasn’t really there. But as soon as scarface was gone and in the ventriloquist’s words, he was “cured” his glasses became clear so you could see his eyes. I just found that interesting
Dude, this is the kind of thing the movies should do. I love Batman's big baddies as much as the next person, but we've seen them all before. Putting some focus on less known rogues, who have compelling stories, is a good way to gain new interest.
Scarecrow, Falcone, Ra's Al Ghul. Batman Begins did a pretty good job.
I could easily see an interesting way to introduce the duo, when some local mobsters come to make a business proposition with Gotham's newest druglord.
Like, they first meet Wesker, and (seeming rather unimpressed by his meek apperence) ask if he's the one running this opperation, only for him to reply with something like; "Oh, n-no, no. I'm just the messenger. You want Mr Scareface. I'll just let him know you're here."
Then, as he goes into the office where Scarface supposedly works, the mobsters hear what sounds like a conversation between two people, before Wesker calls out to say they can come in.
Then, as the mobsters enter the office, the camera slowly pans to Wesker holding the dummy, with one of the mobsters basically being all flabagasted, probably asking if this was a joke, or something, with Scarface basically showcasing what happens when you get on his bad side.
As for if he ends up having whatever arc finished in that movie, or even a subsequent movie, I could see at one point, Wesker and the dummy get seperated, and as Batman approaches Wesker, the dummy (without moving his mouth, therefore kind of hinting that only Wesker can hear the dummy talk at that point) orders him to raise his gun against Batman.
Then, with obvious back-n-forth bit with Batman trying to negotiate with Wesker to come quietly, with the dummy constantly barking orders at him, all the while, he's basically in such a state where he looks like he's about to break down, and then after a moment's pause, he lets out a sheepish "Forgive me.", before pointing the gun at the dummy and blasting him away with it.
And afterwards, I can imagine Wesker being at shock at what he did and drops the gun, with Batman basically offering him a shoulder to cry on, and basically let it all out.
Literally same
I really like the truly insane characters. They're much more interesting and more unpredictable. You'd never expect a ventriloquist to be such a challenging adversary
I love how the Ventriloquist is so harmless the Justice Lords lobotomized the Dummy😂👌
For all of the "out of the box" costuming decisions on Gotham, Ventriloquist and Scarface looked spot-on!
I love it when Scarface argues with the ventriloquist.
That's almost a step beyond acting as an actor and a ventriloquist.
who are you calling dummy?, dummy
what if scarface battled slappy
Eric Alvarado Slappy would win considering he has supernatural powers
True
F▪▪▪ that, Scarface vs Chucky! That's the real S▪▪t!
Slappy killing scarface in the first 2 seconds
Why not Scarface vs Walter? Or Scarface vs Achmed The Dead Terrorist?
That one TAS episode was really disturbing to me as a kid. The way the ventriloquist would see him everywhere and how Scarface always seemed to have control over him gave me chills.
So does Scarface KNOW he's a puppet, or does he think he's a real person?
James Bevan No, the ventriloquist thinks Scarface is real, he is mentally ill.
He's convinced he's real.
Arnold Wesker has a split personality. The Scarface dummy is a mouthpiece for the more aggressive side of him.
A real person wit a hand up his butt
as everyone said yes its a split personality of the ventriloquist, but also the scarface persona is aware that he is a puppet. i.e. that part of the ventriloquist's personality knows (well, thinks) he is a puppet/dummy and depends on the other personality to exist
I like that in Justice Lords, Scarface has been lobotomized too 😂
MOOFAMDEEZ You mean Justice League, not Justice Lords.
and that the Ventriloquist himself has not been.
@@adamcunningham9947 they were in justice lords dimension
Joker Bean Which is an episode of Justice League
@@adamcunningham9947 I don't remember just Google it
2004 Scarface does have a more modern look.
He is voiced by Dan Castallena from The Simpsons, you can definately listen to Krusty's voice when he's grouchy.
Mainstreamer Channel 99 yeah he does
He was based on the Al Pacino version, as opposed to the James Cagney version
rayblack2004 I thought he was supposed to be Al Capone?
Scarface's classic look is the look from a typical "cosa nostra" mafioso look, directly from Al Capone (actually, Capone also had that nickname). For "The Batman" animated series, they redisegned most of the villains' look, so they gave Scarface a new kind of mobster look, and creators took the Al Pacino's look for Tony Montana, from 80s "Scarface" movie.
0:34 "shut up you blockhead!"WHAT DID YOU SAY?!?" " it wasn't me i didn't say that my lips didn't move!" "SO WHAT YOUR'E A VENTRILOQUIST?!?"
It really tells a lot about Ventriloquist’s mental state when he fully believes that a puppet manifesting an alternate personality is holding him against his will and he still cries when the puppet dies, never questioning why Scarface suddenly shows up again when he gets a new puppet. It is nowhere near accurate to real-life psychology but that makes it so much more interesting in my book
I see a man who's in an abusive relationship with his own mind. I do feel bad for him and wonder what caused this.
@@WillieManga trauma repressing emotions and more trauma
1:12 : *look how they massacred my boy*
No one:
Absolutely no one:
Scarface intro: DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Involuntary asmr
The Batman animated Series will always be the perfect example of Batman’s rogue gallery and their personalities, but The Batman show did a great job as well no doubt.
3:10 Wait, is the puppet puppeteering the Ventriloquist? Oh my god... it kinda makes sense now!
Reversycology.
I wish Robin Williams was still here... he would've been perfect for this character!😥
Personally I want Jim Broadbent to play him in live action
I feel like most of the actors playing Arnie Wesker aren't trained ventriloquists. I say if they ever did another live-action Ventriloquist, get a trained puppeteer or ventriloquist to perform Scarface, while the Ventriloquist actor does the voice.
Maybe get Jeff Dunham, it would probably be a dream come true
@@seanbernard4212 That would be a fun cameo if nothing else.
Brandon Prater I thought he was supposed to be the Riddler in Tim Burton’s Batman Forever
Just saw these guys on Gotham last week. I really feel bad for Ventriloquist.
I always felt bad for Arnold
Likewise. He's probably the only major Batman villain who isn't happy with his psychosis or at least neutral about it. You can tell he's terrified of Scarface and would do anything to be free of him.
This show has to many characters
We all did, partly because of how he came to be at blackgate and how he met scarface.
@@Adamguy2003 Yup. Hes gone through almost literal hell to do so, to no avail.
So do I
Watchmojo explained Scarface is a medium that forces people to act out their darkest side
6:44
Only the Joker would have no affect
3:53
Dude: ITS A DUMMY!
Slappy and Scarface: WHO ARE U CALLING DUMMY?!?
Fun fact: that thug was voiced by John DiMaggio, who voiced Jake the dog, Bender, and the Joker in Batman Under the Red Hood.
@@adamseward3567don't forget Snitzel from chowder
The Batman Scarface having the same voice as Krusty the Clown makes him a lot funnier.
One of the outright scariest villains in Batmans gallery, simply because he is capable of some pretty wicked things even though he has no superpowers, only a very commanding presence that can scare thugs into helping him.
Ladies and gentlemen! Here's the first live appearence of the legendary Batman villain! The Ventriloquist and Scarface. fantastic!
It's amazing how Andrew Sellon creates this bipolar personality disordered character with his face, speach and those little movements with his eyes!
... and look, carefully:
-that bullet wasn't a correct headshot, just scratching
- Mr. Penn is still breathing after the shot
Personally, I can't wait to see Kite-Man in live action.
Scarface and toymaker is so underrated.
gothams scarface is great
The Ventriloquist is an awesome character just based on how bat-shit crazy he is. It's why Batman has the best villains hands down. They're not evil because the plot demands them to be. They have some serious loose screws that make them unpredictable, dangerous, and believable when they dream up ridiculous schemes and are compelled to see them through.
Scarface and ventriloquist appearance in gotham was creepy and hilarious at the same time , golden moment and live action nevertheless
Bingo.
Out of all of Batman's villains.
This is the only one that will give you the Nightmares.
If Chucky, Scarface, and Slappy all got together it probably would unleash Gozer lol
Yikes! I'll just stay in my local church till they go away.
4:20
This version of Scarface is dressed like an old Yakuza Boss
Actually he's supposed to be dressed in the same way Al Pacino's Tony Montana dressed fancy suits on the Scarface movie.
1:25 I saw Lois and clark
3:09 They lobotomized Mr.ScarFace instead of the Ventriloquist
I love it xD
A live action movie with Scarface as a main villain would be awesome.
Hell yeah i wasnt expecting this!! Nice vid thanks
"3:31 this one's my favorite episode of the Batman"
such a cool concept for a villain. they should utilise him more
tamagotchi92 yup
Such an awesome villain, a split personality that uses a puppet to convey it, but as time goes by, the personality becomes the puppet.
5:00 : they're quite lucky he chose not to use violence... or Killer Croc would have ended as a Hand bag...
Do the Dollmaker next!!
Doll maker was never in the movies, he was a creepier Batman villain remaining in the comics.
@@juniorzablosky9608 Yes, but hes been in other mediums, including two different live action portrayals in television, and Batman v Robin the movie.
@@SuperSilver316 I don't watch a lot of DC media, so thanks for explaining.
@@juniorzablosky9608 he was in the Gotham
I love the Batman TAS version because he got to be one of the few villains who was cured and able to have a normal life outside Arkham.
Evolution of Nightcrawler in all media. Evolution of Green Hornet in all media.
Evolution of Mirror Master
Yes!
@@therealsupersam6800
Evolution of Mad Hatter and as well as Clock King.
RW:Damn I feel so sorry for the Ventriloquist.😔
I like how in justice league, they lobotomised a puppet and left the ventriloquist the same. How did that even work under the operating table
So was it the Vintriliquist doing the crimes, or was he Scarface's hostage?
In the twisted mind of Arnold Wesker, Mr. Scarface it's suppose to have an mind of it's own and a soul. That's why his second appearence in the animated series it's interesting, because Scarface it's the dark half of Arnold at a point he can't really be without him.
He was hired help like scarface said is his first appearance in 93 if you don't believe watch the episode 'read my lips' and that's his first time appearing on the show and his last appearance is on the episode 'double talk'
2:02 - Thats was creepy
I do love me a classic well-written Batman villain. Insane, deserving of sympathy, and absolutely entertaining.
Scarface's classic look is the look from a typical "cosa nostra" mafioso look, directly from Al Capone (actually, Capone also had that nickname). For "The Batman" animated series, they redisegned most of the villains' look, so they gave Scarface a new kind of mobster look, and creators took the Al Pacino's look for Tony Montana, from 80s "Scarface" movie.
4:54 SCOOBY-DOOBY-DOO!!!!!!
I always knew ventriloquist dolls were evil, this just proves it.
He's an underrated rogue. Hope to see him as a side mission in WB Montreals new batman game they're working on.
OH THAT WAS BRUTAL AT 0:57
Wow, I had no idea that he was in other animated material outside of the classic Animated series. Thanks for posting this.
The Batman is what introduced me to the character, so that take is my personal favorite
1:08 i feel so bad for ventriloquist
I think Jim Broadbent would make a perfect movie version of Ventriloquist
I got chills with the phone booth gag
The most underrated Scarface scene is when you see the justice walking through the lobby, Scarface has the dots on his head and not the ventriloquist. Proving that even Lord Superman thought it was in his head so he only did it to the doll.
3:10 they lobotomized the puppet and not the man
freaky
Kind of makes sense though
The ventriloquist has multiple personality disorder so he only thinks that Scarface is alive but if he thinks that Scarface was lobotomized the Scarface personality should in theory act as though it was lobotomized
@@markusallen102 Exactly. That's what I was saying in another comment to someone who thought Superman was stupid or something. No, you're right, it's the idea that as long as he PERCEIVES Scarface as dead, he will be. You can smash Scarface into a million pieces but he can just be compelled to make or find another, or you can take it away from him and that won't work either. But let him KEEP it, drill two holes in it's head and TELL him that Scarface is now a living corpse, he'll follow suit and be stuck walking around with this doll that ironically now he thinks is just that, but he's still psychologically stuck with it. That's almost just as cruel. The Ventroloquist is literally an innocent man, and Superman is making a guy that has an illness forever be trapped in a sad delusion just to keep him docile.
“Here’s 7 minutes of the evolution of Ventriloquist & Scarface in movies, cartoons and TV shows. For all of March 2019.”
0:34 "SHUT UP YOU BLOCK HEAD!" 😂
I'd love to see the Ventriloquist and Scarface of course, in a next Batman video game or movie. This villain and his dummy fellow are so underrated.
Scarface is so underrated
6:27 wow, IDubbz is in a bat man show?
The Goddamn intro scared the living shit out of me. Still a great video!
I want to see a team up between Two-Face, Clayface, and Scarface. Let's throw in Apeface for good mechanical measure
"You're too stupid to be the traitor."
'Aww, thanks boss.'
6:34 yeah the ventriloquist is the one who mimics the dummy..
Anyone else feel like Scarface would be perfect for the Pattinson trilogy?
3:10 Thats a VERY nice detail. Only Scarface got the lobotomy👍
Evolution of general grievous in all media please
1:24 clark and lois
now that is totally awesome video about all season of my favorite scarface
That moment when Scarface is the one who got the laser lobotomy in the Justice Lord universe instead of Arnold.
Lol exactly. You'd think that with how extreme they were, they'd atleast try to free him of his psychosis, but nah. Lobotomise the dummy
Evolution of Mad Hatter
3:32 the best
You know, from what I recall from my history class a few years ago, the actual Scarface was helpful in the Great Depression
I've been waiting for this!
@@izukikatzuki6890 lol
Say hello to his little friend
JkMenttonet been looking for this
1:13
That's just sad
Holy crap! You actually got my comment in your video. Thanks for acknowledging my request.
I was so glad he showed up on Gotham, especially cause I'd heard he was cut from that season
2:58 woah woah woah an arkham that does its job
He also made a cameo in Batman: The Telltale Series Episode 4 at Arkham Asylum. Though, that’s a video game.
@@KimiHayashi lol
I love how the tip of the hat and the Monobrow are holding the date
I love the detail of when the JL is in Arkham, the only person without the dots on his head, is the Ventriloquist, but Scarface himself has them.