What Happened After Gandalf and Balrog Fell? The Lord of the Rings | Middle Earth
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- The most important battle of the Lord of the Rings was perhaps neither the Battle of Helm's Deep nor the Battle of the Pelennor Fields. The most crucial confrontation took place on the Bridge of Khazad-dûm in Moria between Gandalf and the Balrog. Although the Fellowship did not witness what happened after Gandalf fell, the battle between these two Maiar lasted a long time. So, what happened when they fell from the bridge into the abyss?
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00:00 Intro
00:41 Before the fall
02:47 What Gandalf meant
06:00 After the fall
08:48 Zirak-zigil
09:57 The death and return of Gandalf - Розваги
If I'm remembering this right, Tolkien wrote Gandalf's confrontation with the balrog before he decided to give Gandalf the ring of fire. By announcing to the balrog that he wields the flames of the very sun itself, something that Morgoth and his servants feared and hated, Gandalf is revealing to the balrog that he, too, is a Maia, but he remained true to his purpose, that he is a force of good and will not let a servant of evil roam free.
Anor is the Sindarin word for the sun. Gandalf wields the flame of Anor, the sun that struck fear into all evil.
Great video!! Thank you ❤
That was a great explanation. Thank you.
What a intriguing video :)
10:47 "Then Gandalf was sent back... naked... until his mission was complete..."
Gandalf's return:
"Gandalf!!"
"Yes... that's what they used to call me... Gandalf the Grey... I am..."
"Gandalf, where is your robe?!?"
"My mission is not yet complete."
After he fell he activated his life alert necklace.
Lol
ROTFL !!!
Lmao
The Balrog was probably sick of dealing with all the trash from Morial
Nice video tnx
excellent video!
Very interesting video to watch
that was good, did subscribe
I'm reading the Silmarillion again. Galadriel is an interesting Noldorin. "Wisest of the Maiar was Olorin. He too dwelt in Lorien, but his ways took him often to the house of Nienna, and of her he learned pity and patience." So Gandalf learned from one of the Valar who sang the songs of creation. Her halls are west of West. I think she may have been the instrument his resurrection.
I love how George RR Martin, as a much younger man, was disappointed that Gandalf "came back." He felt that both lessened the effect of Gandalf's death (and death in general), but also cheated the reader who felt that loss.
It really illustrates the difference between these two writers. Tolkien had created a story between gods playing chess. Gandalf was the pawn who made it to the other side and resurrected as a more powerful piece.
Martin plays checkers. You die, you stay dead. If you're lucky, you can live long enough to be crowned, but even then you might be sacrificed to win the game (or lost because your player did something stupid; a meaningless death.)
Gandalf says he was sent back naked. Yet subsequent events show that he retained both his Elvin ring and the sword Glamdring... At some point he recovers those, presumably on the peak before Gwahir finds him, although we're not told that explicitly.
Maybe he was nekid because all the fire burned away the cloth. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
he came back and looted his corpse ofc
Gandalf was ressurected by the "gods" to finish his tasks,he was given the white robes and glamdring before being sent back....the ring never left him,then Gwahir was sent to help Gandalf
Great explanation!
When Gandalf says dark fire will not avail you flame of udon… the balrog who at first put on a huge display of fire… changed to a dark shadow… Essentially acknowledging Gandalfs claim that fire wasnt going to cut it against the flame of Anor.
It's been a while since I read the books, but in the movie, when Frodo chose to go through Moria, Gandalf reacted with dread, which foreshadowed the Balrog.
I understand that from Frodo's perspective, it appears Gandalf was pulled into the Abyss by the Balrog. However, Gandalf had the time to say, "Fly you fools", and then seems to slip from the edge. However, being a Maiar, he most surely had the strength to pull himself up? Perhaps I'm stating the obvious, but it seems more likely that he let go at the bridge to pursue the Balrog and prevent him from joining forces with Sauron. Knowing this was a task that had to be done. I'm sure somebody probably said this already but it's fun to speculate.
The Balrog was essentially a deserter from Morgoth's forces AWOL from the battles of a previous age, it had been hiding there since before Sauron rose to be the power he became, it joining Sauron wasn't on the cards, it likely won't have left where it was of it's own volition and Sauron likely won't have sought it ought if he knew it was there because it will have been a lieutenant of Morgoth much as he was in the past with power rivaling (if not as great as) his own and might not have accepted his authority.
I never understood that Gandalf wasn't allowed to use his powers, even against the Balrog. WTH was the point of having them. Hey we have a powerful wizard with us. Why's he using a sword?
Because he and the other wizards had been "decreased in power level" so they could not command or be great leaders of the people. They were only allowed to encourage or lift the spirits of
He summoned a lightning bolt to smite it with his sword that's pretty magic.
We know Saruman became corrupted without his full power and there is suspicion that the two Blue Wizards came under Sauron's influence when they travelled East. Good thing the Maia sent to Middle Earth without all their powers or there would have been at least one to possible three more Sauron's running around trying to gain dominion over the entire world. The Free Peoples of Middle Earth would have truly been effed at that point.
Throughout Tolkien's works there are some stories with the god-types battling in Middle Earth with their full powers, mostly with tragic and catastrophic results to Middle Earth itself. Not sure if all are canon because he did make changes in the histories but they are out there.
The Valar knew what happened when they last waged war in their full power in Middle Earth. While they were victorious in the war of wrath and expelled Morgoth from the world it came at great cost. The utter distraction of Beleriand being the most obvious. They decided that while the free people of middle earth did need aid in defeating Sauron, it should not be via waging open war against him and risking once more breaking so much of the world they had long strived to create and defend.
I think he was using his powers against the Balrog. His old man form could not have survived the heat, fall, etc.
As always, tolkien wants to say much more than it seems only at literally reading.so clever analyssis is great,great welcomed and greeted. An incredibly deeper comprehension of the whole situation, and circumstances involved. Till the minimum detail is not left appart. For that it is so great state of art, and so great and admirable is the effort and work of his creator. A really engineering masterpiece .
Please ,😊 you are late at uploading another video with such clever and deep analyssis.
Great work of yours, a complete 360° twist on comprehension of facts and its idiosincrasies.
Perhaps next video couldvtell about Beornings, its origins and the mistery of shapesifting [since only ainur and Beren shapeshifted.(beren supposed by teachings of Luthien, in my opinion).
So...from where comes the shapeshifting of beornings?
They had it yet when were at numenor before the evolution to nowadays beornings, or was a gift from his vala Orome, or they count on his bloodlinevwith a maia who liked yake shape of a bear, or even a maia of Orome hounds took cate of that race and "transmitted" his shapeshifting teachings to the first of them, and now only the most pure blooded can shapeshift ?
Discounting that theories,
What would the most "tolkien like" plausible theory? And...why are them so tall and stout?
Bilbo who was 1,15metres could crosd under Beorn skirt (supposed to knees) without touching it, so, beorn was at 4,15/4,50metres.... 13feet 8inches tall.stout bodymass, ¿Like a bodybuilder?they has a Bodymass index of 25
Bodymass Index (BMI) =weight on kilograms/height measured on metres2
So
BMI 25=kilograms/(4,5)^2
BEORN heights 4,50 metres and weights 506,25 kilograms
14feet 9,33inches and 1.125 pounds....imaging his size at bear shape,
The tallest bear ever was megatherium, at 6metres (19feet 8,45inches) and 5tons(11.111,111pounds)
But Beorn sizes 2,647times more than media person(450cm/170cm media height person=2,647 times extra size.
So 6metres bearx 2,647times extra size=
15,88metres = 52 feet 4,84 inches...
Weight? Black bears heights 1,80metres and 180 kg. Bodymass index of 55,555
That is, a black bear of 15,88 metres would weight 14.009,6889 kilograms
In other words,
52feet 1,8inches and 31.132 lb 0,0126oz.
That is 2,64 times a megatherium biggest prehistoric bear (at size)
And 2,8019 times megatherium weight.
...simply astonishing, and a mincer meat machine once at battle, counting his enormous stout mass plus skin fat most probably let him receive lances and axes,swords arrows etc, without them entered to real within body, only surfacial injures, like a scratch.
Add the terrible damage by his giant teeth and claws,plus his enormous strenght of giant bear, and his impact at charging with all that mass and legs strenght.
A black bear can run at 30 miles per hour. 48,28 kilometres per hour. With legs of 64,24cm (2feet 0,27inches), 2,802times lessser his height.
15,88metres bear Beorn==
Legs of 5,667metres (18feet 7,11inches)
64,24 cm legs==48,28km/h
566,7cm legs==27.360km/h MINUS %of extra body mass relation
14.009,6889kg/180kg=77,831
27.360kmh /77,831= 351,528km/h= 218,429 mph would run Beorn on bear shapeAT FULL SPEED counting body mass innerce and giant lenght of legs.
More than that
Strenght=mass X speed
14.009,6889kgX97,64 metres per second=
1.367.999,42 (kgXm)/s
Strenght=massXSpeed
Strenght= 14009,6889kgX
He got back up again, you're never gunna keep him down!
I never read the novels. The movies are mostly what I know as LotR. Instead of them eventually coming back up, and the mountain that we see being a mountain on the surface of Middle Earth, I had thought for a long time that the mountain peak was really in some bizarre plane of existence that you eventually get to if you keep falling. Like, after hitting the surface of the water they keep falling, and then somehow (???) they fall through the water into something else, and then something else, etc. .. and then somehow one of the levels below the lake bed is terrestrial with an atmosphere and mountains.
What we see if it in the movies, if I remember, is they hit the water, then we see the end of the fight at the mountain top, and then we see Gandalf awaken in the afterlife.
That was interesting.
Thank you for saying undoubtedly instead of undoubtably
He gained allot of experience, levelled up, learned new spells, rolled lots of 20's
New subcriber
Answer: He couldn't get up.
By now it has become canon that Gandalf yelled out "I've fallen and I can't get up." Followed by a quick visit to a non-Wendys fast food restaurant where Gandalf tried a burger and exclaimed "Where's the beef?!"
Let us not forget that the Balrog was an endangered species as of the Third Age of Middle Earth.
PETA
If you are brave and following your concept - well Gandlaf was behind 3 of the destruction of this kind of endangered spieces - in order: Smaug, The Balrog and Sauron him-/itself. We can clearly say Gandlaf at least was an instigator of 3 planned murders or even worse: having serial killer vibes - but tricking his surroundings to perform those kills. 🥸 Damn man, what a beast villain he was....
Even both are Maia, Olorin (Gandalf's Ainu name) has the direct mandate of Eru Iluvatar to help those who opposed Sauron. That is the reason why he could never fail. He is backed-up by the Sacred Fire.
Out of all of the UA-cam channels on Tolkien, I like you the best for you seem more indepth.
To be fair to the other Istari, I have seen videos discussing how Palandu and Alatar contributed from afar in their own ways. And some (like Peter Jackson) have portrayed Radagast as having been helpful once or twice as well. That would mean is was only Saruman who truly failed, and that was, sadly, quite deliberate. What *I* want to know is why (in Jackson's tale) Gandalf couldn't remember the names of those first two colleagues. I submit that he should have.
pictures stolen content, written by chat gpt, voiced by AI...
Seems like there's more channels like this every time I come on here. It's gotten to the point when I hear an AI voice, I quit watching.
Oh yeah there’s tons of these channels now especially in the murder/crime category.
Wait this is AI? I almost can't tell.
He got up!
So they break into the Balrocs house and kill him. Now if he would have had a fire arm,…
He got up again. Nobody's going to keep him down.
I think one clue to the "dark fire could be the description of the balrog itself, being described as a creature of shadows and flames
Legendary weapons on history of middle earth...that of Eonwe, aule,melkor,sauron, first fathers of races of men,elves,dwarves, and notable descendants of them (as Azhagal or Telchar the blacksmith both dwarves). Too weapons of uruk hai and orcs and trolls ,balrogs etc
Usually,Manwe is the guy who summons great eagles..
What happened to Gandalf snd crew in Valar?
I think someone should point out that any ordinary person or other such being would die instantly on hitting the water at the bottom of the abyss, having at some stage early in the fall attained terminal velocity at which the air resistance around them nullified their acceleration due to gravity. This would be very fast indeed and would ensure that hitting the water woudl be no different in its effect than being splattered on concrete at high speed. Clearly that both are Maia prevented this from happening somehow - an interesting example of the 'deus ex machina' plot device, though not mentioned at all. Similarly, neither drowns in the water and they both have the energy to ascend the stairs to the very peak. Both are immortal spirits, but it was obviously very hard on the bodies they wrapped themselves in!
When I watch the film, and then later Gandalf tells his tale, he says "he smote his ruin", for some reason I always add "and I smote him gooood"
Beautifully made they could have truly done something with this PIECE of that side story I know it would have been a masterpiece and it was only like what 10 to 15 minutes of the movie showing yeah they were fighting for a thousand years it's all must have been superficially amazing but you know the movie budget is like under 2 hours or was it 3 whatever maybe a director out there could come up with a movie spin with with something really good for people's I would see it.
Why was Gimli surprised to find Moria desecrated, if it had been a thousand years? Surely the other dwarves knew..
Because one of his uncles, Balin, had led a company to reoccupy Moria some years back.
@@Darkstar-se6wc right, Balin had re-colonized it and things were seemingly going well. The other Dwarf enclaves hadn't heard from them in a while, but perhaps that's not unusual, Dwarves tended to stick to themselves underground, and after the battle of the Lonely Mountain they were largely in a rebuilding phase, it was probably difficult in general to send communications between the realms and they probably thought Khazad-Dum was just busy rebuilding itself and mining, doing Dwarf stuff.
They used the United States postal service to communicate.
How did he get his ring back?
I noticed that white suit was a finer texture than the old bloody unwashed grey. Kinda like vader's threads.😂😂
Keep your forked tongue behind your teeth we shall not speak of such evil here..
To think that Gandalf's full power was diminished when he became a wizard even when supported by Narya.
Theoden asked where was Gondor?
This will be under 100 minutes to watch if it was a movie on its own just some characters gandalf to start,Big bad balrog, Gwhyhere giant falcon, elven gods and the mighty green screen with CGI
Skip to 10:12 to get what the title promise
Gandalf the Grey is my favorite character in Tolkeins universe. Idk, I personally prefer Grey over White. Gandalf the Grey is more of a jokster, more "human"
Eru Ilúvatar recreated Gandalf as Gandalf the White and sent back to Middle Earth, why did he recreate the ring of fire Narya?
Did Gandal ever use that ring? if yes, then when and how?
But how did he get his ring back after he was resurrected?
This geezer sounds like Jason Bright
He fought, died, got resurrected and got up again. Maybe people should learn to read.
You should use AI to make your picture of the dragon speaks your words. I don't know why but whenever I watch your videos I think its going to speak every time.
Not Moria, t'is Khazad-Dum
Are you just making this stuff up or is there a source for all this “lore”?
He has to have the months ...to explain the years of middle earth...I'm thinking it's because a different name for them would throw us off topic ...
In 2:40 it says that Gandalf didn’t know it was a balrog…. I think you are a bit mistaken…. It was known to be a balrog named Durins Bane
Only Gandalf, Aragorn, and Legolas knew what a Balrog was. Before they saw what Durin’s Bane was, they only speculated what it could be. Which is what I think the narrator was trying to say.
Gandalf, of course, knew what the Balrog was. But he did not know that the being in Moria called Durin's Bane was a balrog. That's why he is surprised when he sees it and he says, "A Balrog, Now I understand." So at that moment he realizes that the being that was said to be in Moria was a Balrog.
What was known was that a creature named Durins Bane was deep in the caves. They didn't realize it was a Balrog and when Gandolf saw it everything made sense to him.
The secret fire isn’t a primordial force, nor is it a power of Eru, it is Eru, he is the secret fire of creation and life, and only he had the power to create ex nihilo.
You're asserting this as a fact rather than a hypothesis. So, where is it written... what's your source?
@tsuchan, it's an inference, and an inference that is undoubtedly accurate as the Secret Fire aligns wholly with the Holy Spirit. Tolkien was a devout Catholic, and used that, as well as mythology, to create the story. It would be a neck-bearded thing to do to deny this, much akin to asking for a source. Eff alllllll the way off back to reddit.
@@theherbologer you're sounding very much like an imbecile. I hate beards, I don't use reddit, and just because Tolkien was a Catholic and it influenced his worldview, it does not mean every let thing he did or wrote and every let thought he ever had was fixated by it. You are making some connection between a fire and the concept of a holy spirit. I happen to know the concept of the Holy Trinity in Christian mythology, but only an imbecile would assume that knowledge. But the Holy spirit has no particular association with fire, save only what you choose to make by yourself. You could say "oh, Abraham and the burning bush, that was a manifestation of the Holy spirit." Was it bollocks, the Christian concept of the Trinity formed no part of the old Testament of the Bible. So all you have is a fuckwit's theory, or a swallowed theory from some other fuckwit. But anyway, see how talented I am to match your crass level of speech, imbecile. You have a hypothesis, no more, and not a convincing one.
January? February? Really? Were the months named January and February in the Third Age of Middle Earth?
We saw what happened... In the movie... Later on.
Arnor
I hope this isn't new rings of power lore I used to enjoy the old lore before 2005
If it was god whom was supposed to be neutral alawing the event unfold as they do it’s unfair that Gandalf and not the belrog as well as suramon
ERU was asleep 😴
@@himerosTheGod "Hey! Would you two keep it down! How's a God supposed to get any sleep with all these epic battles going on?" --ERU
Plot hole: When Gandalf died, how did the Elven Ring, his most prized possession, make it to the new body? Wouldn't it be stuck on his old deceased body?
'sent back naked' = no ring attached. This is a bridge too far! I demand to know how such a thing could happen, or it's all Bullshit!@
I'd say Gandalf knew where the ring fell when he died. His inventory would have been in a tidy pile near the Balrogs dead body 😅
@@chrisbanburywas he brought back at the top of the tower where he died?
I am a servant of the secret fire 🔥🙋
Who stands with me?
Thank you Dragon 🧙
Read a book. If you can understand words, I promise it'll be worth it.
The part where the narrator says the balrog fled into the tunnels doesn’t seem to be accurate… When recounting this story to his friends. Gandalf explicitly stated that he “smoted the Balrogs ruin on the mountainside “ he is saying he killed it.
The video says Gandalf followed the Balrog into the tunnels because he didn't know where else to go. And when he found the Balrog, he chased it up the endless stairs to the top of the mountain, where he eventually "smoted the Balrog's ruin on the mountainside".
READ THE BOOKS!!! You don’t need these idiots explaining it to you!
So true thank you
It would help if you read more. G did know what was there.
MET::sorry to burst your bubble of enthusiasm..but I did see the original battle again before I saw your video, and it would be wise for you to AGAIN check out this battle? you had better ALSO check the original information gleamed from the video.. What you have said up to 14:37 aint exactly how it really came about. 3:14 where in hades did you get this newly fomred graphics??IT is not as the original showed it was. you have enhanced everything..ahhh laters so sorry am going to not give a positive click
I shall leave it this way.. not claiming you werent true but your graphics are quite diff, and your info is also oddly placed. laters
No it wan't "the most important", it was in fact irrelevant to the war with Sauron.
That balrog wasn't a servant of Sauron and would not have been involved in any of his later schemes, it was hiding there keeping it's head down and wasn't going to join or help Sauron, if they'd taken a different route or just run through the place fast enough to avoid it nothing that happened later would have changed 👎
Have you even read the books?
Gandalf getting an upgrade is the important part. Duh.
@@seananderson5334 He got a promotion, he became Gandalf the White replacing Saruman as the titular leader of the Wizards, did he get a "power up" with that? doesn't matter if he did, who or what (that was vital to the victory over Sauron) did he then kill or do personally that needed power he didn't have before he became Gandalf the white? no one and nothing he wasn't capable of before, so if he got a power up or not doesn't matter does it and his defeat of the Balrog is still irrelevant to the outcome of the war with Sauron isn't it .. it was a set piece battle, it was written in because narratively it allowed the other characters to take centre stage and shine without big powerful Gandalf there to always be solving everything, it had no importance to the outcome .. It was just narrative ploy/diversion to allow his actual protagonists (the Hobbits) to protag on their own for a bit.
That's a bold assumption.
@@Sick66-qu4uh Assumption? where? there are no assumptions there, and certainly not any bold ones, you've only ever watched the films haven't you, not that there's anything in the films either to contradict anything I said, maybe you should just go away and keep quite until you've actually read the books.
@pelinoregeryon6593 Another bold and incorrect assumption. Keep going lol
On the movies he became about 200% more gay
But why did the iluvatar have to make him gay with a fetish for hobbit love?
He did like Hobbits "because they give me courage", but with the exception of a few, Hobbits didn't love him. He was a troublesome wizard and the bringer of bad tidings. As far as being gay, I never saw anything in the books that suggested that. If anything, he had a crush on Galadriel. (Who wouldn't.)
I suspect you only watched the films (which means you don't truly understand LOTR), but even then, it doesn't pay to conflate actors and their lifestyles with the roles they play.