Fun fact: The version of the Sverdlov in Sea Power is a special modified version called the Project 68A. It was meant to be a command ship and received an enlarged bridge and the AK-230s. 4 ships were modified to this standard in the late 70s. There were also 2 unique versions of the Sverdlov earlier on, where one received an Osa SAM and only 4 AK-230s in place of one turret (called Project 68U1) and the other had the Osa + 8 AK-230s and a helipad in place of 2 turrets (Project 68U2).
Belfast had a really long career from helping sink Scharnhorst to supporting the Normandy landings and taking part in the Korean War. She was a solid choice of museum ship for her history, but the unfortunate reason she was preserved is just that she was fairly cheap. America could afford to preserve a ton of our ships, yet even the we cut up some truly legendary ships like the Enterprise. The UK, with FAR less money to spare, saved almost none of their WW2 ships. This, unfortunately, included the absolute gorgeous HMS Vanguard, your last battleship and the last battleship EVER built. Belfast was barely saved from being scrapped, but it’s the exception. In total the UK only saved Belfast, a sub, and a C-class Destroyer. Egypt does currently have the HMS Whimbrel, a WW2 Sloop that was actually present for the surrender of Japan.
That'd be a battle to see, though I think Des Moines would handily win that match - her 8" guns outrange the Soviet 155mm, and have a similar rate of fire, and greatly superior armor.
@@logansorenssen Yeah, the Des Moines were heavier too, 4000 tons heavier. From what I can find the Des Moines would be throwing 10 salvos down range in the same time it would take a Sverdlov to fire 6-7 times. Not even a competition, espectially once you account for the fire control advantage a US ship would have.
The Tiger Class Cruiser will probably be added for the Royal Navy in both her original Gun AA Cruiser configuration and then in her 1970's ASW configuration. 2x2 6 inch guns with High Rate of fire and 3x2 76mm Guns later reduced to 1 x 2 6 Inch and 1 x 2 76mm and ASW Helicopters for the ASW build
Yeah, That kitbash is a US Cleveland class cruiser from WW2. The amount of shells both ships carry for the 6 inch guns is really low. At least the Belfast anyway.
The fact the British commissioned the Blackburn Buccaneer to attack the Sverdlov instead of seeking a surface engagement probably shows how confident the Royal Navy had in going up against the far newer Russian cruiser in a straight up gunfight with the m̶a̶i̶d̶ old girl Belfast. Supposedly the Royal Navy had planned for a newer cruiser plan that had 5x2 auto-loading 152mm guns planned in 1944 (envisioned as the Minotaur in WoWs) but wartime constraints & budget reasons plans were scrapped and instead the 1950s Tiger class using the same twin 152mm auto-loading guns was built instead, but they had nowhere near the firepower as the 4x3 Sverdlovs even with significantly faster reloading guns.
I wish they buffed shell damage. I know the game is all about missles but shells in this game barely do any damage. 3:27 that ship looks closer to a Cleveland with the 6inch gun models
Hello CAP!!!! Just watched the video, and it was quite entertaining to watch!!! PLEASE, PLEASE, Do not ever start scripting your videos!!! If you did, they would become quite boring, because you know who was going to win every time. Haters, who say, we want scripted videos, tell them to eat SHIT. Keep doing what you are doing always!!!!
In the second half, with Sverdlov out of 6" ammo (all spent at very long range), Belfast only fired with her 2 forward turrets. Her 2 aft turrets had swung forward as far as they could, and I thought as you seemed to, that they would open up if Belfast went just a bit more broadside. But they never did. You eventually declared that Belfast was out of ammo, but was it really? The forward turrets certainly weren't using up the contents of the aft magazines... so were the aft magazines so damaged that they couldn't feed their turrets? Could you have directed damage control to concentrate on them? It seems to me that Belfast must still have had half her 6" ammo remaining when you gave up and closed to let the issue be decided by 4" secondaries. Granted this wasn't a very realistic encounter for either side. Still, I was keeping fingers crossed that you wouldn't close to CWIS range. With Sverdlov's insane number of CWIS and the other type of 30-mm-or-so guns that it has, a "galleon battle" against her would be over pretty quickly for anything except possibly an Iowa. At longer range of course an Iowa would swat down a Sverdlov without having to call in any nuclear-armed Buccaneers.
You should do a podcast or video with the NewJersey battleship guy museum Ryan I think his name is I always keep updated on the big stick wave just in case we in the US need to keep the world in check lol 🙏 please do a video talk would be awesome
*012319SFEB25* In a gun v. gun engagement, each ship would "chase splashes" from the other ship's shells. The idea was that incoming shells wouldn't strike the same area twice. Second, how does this simulator model the gunnery ID of salvoes? When the radar goes offline, each turret has to fall back onto visual range-finding and direction. Someone(s) have to ID their shells' splashes about the target and correct firing solutions. "Spray-and-Pray" may have been an effective tactic in Vietnam, much less so with naval rifles. Third, if there was ever a ship deserving of a battle cruiser's attention, it was this Soviet light cruiser.
Shore bombardment for a marine landing would be what a cruiser would mainly be used for during that time period.
Fun fact: The version of the Sverdlov in Sea Power is a special modified version called the Project 68A. It was meant to be a command ship and received an enlarged bridge and the AK-230s. 4 ships were modified to this standard in the late 70s.
There were also 2 unique versions of the Sverdlov earlier on, where one received an Osa SAM and only 4 AK-230s in place of one turret (called Project 68U1) and the other had the Osa + 8 AK-230s and a helipad in place of 2 turrets (Project 68U2).
Belfast had a really long career from helping sink Scharnhorst to supporting the Normandy landings and taking part in the Korean War. She was a solid choice of museum ship for her history, but the unfortunate reason she was preserved is just that she was fairly cheap. America could afford to preserve a ton of our ships, yet even the we cut up some truly legendary ships like the Enterprise.
The UK, with FAR less money to spare, saved almost none of their WW2 ships. This, unfortunately, included the absolute gorgeous HMS Vanguard, your last battleship and the last battleship EVER built. Belfast was barely saved from being scrapped, but it’s the exception. In total the UK only saved Belfast, a sub, and a C-class Destroyer. Egypt does currently have the HMS Whimbrel, a WW2 Sloop that was actually present for the surrender of Japan.
Belfast was built with six twin 4-inch gun mounts, but two of these mounts were removed during her refit..
Yeah the Des Moines-class cruiser would be another example.
That'd be a battle to see, though I think Des Moines would handily win that match - her 8" guns outrange the Soviet 155mm, and have a similar rate of fire, and greatly superior armor.
@@logansorenssen Yeah, the Des Moines were heavier too, 4000 tons heavier. From what I can find the Des Moines would be throwing 10 salvos down range in the same time it would take a Sverdlov to fire 6-7 times. Not even a competition, espectially once you account for the fire control advantage a US ship would have.
@Grim Reapers, a warship under shell fire would ALWAYS zigzag...
The Tiger Class Cruiser will probably be added for the Royal Navy in both her original Gun AA Cruiser configuration and then in her 1970's ASW configuration. 2x2 6 inch guns with High Rate of fire and 3x2 76mm Guns later reduced to 1 x 2 6 Inch and 1 x 2 76mm and ASW Helicopters for the ASW build
Need more of these battles
Was surprised neither ship had any Torpedo assets.
But that may be less popular post WWII... Thx Csp and Crew.
Yeah, That kitbash is a US Cleveland class cruiser from WW2. The amount of shells both ships carry for the 6 inch guns is really low. At least the Belfast anyway.
The fact the British commissioned the Blackburn Buccaneer to attack the Sverdlov instead of seeking a surface engagement probably shows how confident the Royal Navy had in going up against the far newer Russian cruiser in a straight up gunfight with the m̶a̶i̶d̶ old girl Belfast.
Supposedly the Royal Navy had planned for a newer cruiser plan that had 5x2 auto-loading 152mm guns planned in 1944 (envisioned as the Minotaur in WoWs) but wartime constraints & budget reasons plans were scrapped and instead the 1950s Tiger class using the same twin 152mm auto-loading guns was built instead, but they had nowhere near the firepower as the 4x3 Sverdlovs even with significantly faster reloading guns.
I find it abksolutely insane that the british were so scared of these cruisers they planned to use tactical nukes against them(on Buccaneers).
why keep a light cruiser instead of one of our larger ships?
Ah well you see it's all very simple. We're poor.
I wish they buffed shell damage. I know the game is all about missles but shells in this game barely do any damage. 3:27 that ship looks closer to a Cleveland with the 6inch gun models
Maybe the real winner was the friends we made along the way...
Sverdlov sported longer barreled main guns than the Belfast, hence why she outranged the Belfast
Maybe flood damage has speed reduction modeled? Added weight and drag?
You gotta get a mod to do the Battle of jutland
Awesome
I'm sure Belfast's 6 inch guns have a range of 14.5 miles 4:00
No zig zag, when under fire?
The Belfast would have manivered some to make aiming at it harder at long range, not charge in completely strange
Mid ship hit....fire room or engine room?
Hello CAP!!!!
Just watched the video, and it was quite entertaining to watch!!!
PLEASE, PLEASE,
Do not ever start scripting your videos!!!
If you did, they would become quite boring, because you know who was going to win every time.
Haters, who say, we want scripted videos, tell them to eat SHIT.
Keep doing what you are doing always!!!!
Are you guys not doing naval battles in DCS anymore?
DCS is rlly bad at naval.
In the second half, with Sverdlov out of 6" ammo (all spent at very long range), Belfast only fired with her 2 forward turrets. Her 2 aft turrets had swung forward as far as they could, and I thought as you seemed to, that they would open up if Belfast went just a bit more broadside. But they never did. You eventually declared that Belfast was out of ammo, but was it really? The forward turrets certainly weren't using up the contents of the aft magazines... so were the aft magazines so damaged that they couldn't feed their turrets? Could you have directed damage control to concentrate on them? It seems to me that Belfast must still have had half her 6" ammo remaining when you gave up and closed to let the issue be decided by 4" secondaries.
Granted this wasn't a very realistic encounter for either side. Still, I was keeping fingers crossed that you wouldn't close to CWIS range. With Sverdlov's insane number of CWIS and the other type of 30-mm-or-so guns that it has, a "galleon battle" against her would be over pretty quickly for anything except possibly an Iowa. At longer range of course an Iowa would swat down a Sverdlov without having to call in any nuclear-armed Buccaneers.
You should do a podcast or video with the NewJersey battleship guy museum Ryan I think his name is I always keep updated on the big stick wave just in case we in the US need to keep the world in check lol 🙏 please do a video talk would be awesome
Are there no torpedos on HMS Belfast?
Originally there were, on Sverdlov too, but IIRC their guns significantly outrange the torpedoes.
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Is the Russian ship closing or evading?
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In a gun v. gun engagement, each ship would "chase splashes" from the other ship's shells. The idea was that incoming shells wouldn't strike the same area twice. Second, how does this simulator model the gunnery ID of salvoes? When the radar goes offline, each turret has to fall back onto visual range-finding and direction. Someone(s) have to ID their shells' splashes about the target and correct firing solutions. "Spray-and-Pray" may have been an effective tactic in Vietnam, much less so with naval rifles. Third, if there was ever a ship deserving of a battle cruiser's attention, it was this Soviet light cruiser.
Sverdlov vs Belfast? Well I know which one I’m rooting for, and it ain’t the Russian.
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