The Big Picture - SC/ST Quota in Promotion
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2024
- The Supreme Court on Tuesday allowed the Centre to provide reservation in promotions for Scheduled Caste or Scheduled Tribe employees. The order is effective until the constitution bench disposes of the matter. On this edition of ‘The Big Picture’ we analyse if there should be reservation in promotion.
Guests - B.K. Chaturvedi, Former Cabinet Secretary,
Prof. S. S. Jodhka, Department of Sociology, JNU,
Piyush Singh, Advocate, Supreme Court,
Ashok Kumar Bharti, Chairman, National Confederation of Dalit Organisations
Anchor: Frank Rausan Pereira
Frank is also laughing from inside but not showing it....hats off Frank is the best anchor.
Frank is a good and balanced anchor. Doing good job 👍
Frank is a great anchor. Hats off to him.
This comment is for Mr. Frank who happens to be an absolutely great anchor. Thank you so much Sir for your patience and presence of mind. You deserve to be appreciated for conducting this show the way that you did today.
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Thank you Mr Frank Peireira. You are my favourite anchor. You are polite and patient.
special thanx to Piyush singh for explaining it so perfectly
thank you
JNU Professor Jodhka's one argument is significant that is to make policy through empirical data. Scientific method is important in policy making.
Regular surveys and maintenance of proper data should be mandated by law.
Thank you RSTv
I think Mr. Bharti should talk factual for it is not Republic channel but RS TV.
Many like me visit here to grasp some knowledge. This not a platform to show your evident grudge against bureaucracy by giving wron facts.
Vibhuti Kumar Lloyd
It was the first time I had to lower the volume for this programme. Not only does Mr. Bharti has no cogent remarks, he is also unnecessarily loud. :/
Aditi Bhatnagar ,it's also warm the air of my vicinity( himachal pradesh )..
Mr bharti nothing said wrong if u ignore the the the words taj mahal or minar.plz don't guess i am sc/st.
I have never commented on any video but this program and the one with section 377 in big picture shows how well Frank is able to guide the discussion. Hats off to RSTV.
I'm not from SC/ST category. But from a very remote village. I know from close distance, situation of the people of this category. It's still worst even after 70 years.
Guys, tell me one thing, if proper implementation of laws had been done by so called bureaucracy and politicians, things would have been different today.
And one more thing, if someone knows there is better place, better salary and better world altogether then why would anyone resist to go and grab it. If SC/ST people are properly educated and if our system has treated them equally and provided equal representation, definitely their condition been different today.
I agree with one point tat, reservation must be abolished altogether. But on one condition 'STARTING POINT MUST BE SAME for everyone.
Those communities crushed by ur(our) father, his father, his grand father, and his grand father from centuries. So, once the starting point is same, it's ok to remove reservations. Untill that fight for rights continues....
Anil Babu M J very well understood and said by someone from upper caste.people like you is required to take forward India
what you said was so right..i totally agree with you !!! And caste system was in fact created by none other than the Brahmins only. I guess karma is now doing its work.
Does Tina Dabi required reservation ?
Piyush Gour I can't answer exactly for this. If she has not gone through SC/ST quota, then definitely tat seat shud have been filled by another SC/ST quota student. It has no impact on general category.
I agree there exists 1% ppl who really wonderful and talented and not required any reservation, but just cuz of those 1% ppl, we can't punish 99% of SC/ST students.
Krishna Yadav krishna. Pls dnt use bad words. Try to be decent.
Thanks
I completely agree with dr. Ashok Bharti, and jodhka sir,
Prof.Jodha sir is outstanding.
A good discussion, thanks to anchor frank!
bharti is sick... he doesn't deserve to be a part of this panel
and You are Chutiya!!
rishabh chaubey damn right
GREAT WORK FRANK, LOT TO LEARN FROM
YOU. I WISH BHARTI COULD SEE THAT, POOR ASHOK BHARTI.
It's a polite debate..Superb
Prof.S.Jodhka and anchor were amazing in their words
In Manmohan Singh government, scholars had convinced the commerce chamber to get the point of affirmative action policy in private sector but what is going on right now no one knows.
Mr. ANCHOR u r wonderful sir💐💐
Politeness and gentleman behaviour is not expected from Dalits.
Hv grt respect to Jodhka Sir...very valid points are put forward by him...👍👍👍
If efficiency is so high that you built tajmahal, qutub minar etc. then why need reservation Mr Bharti? You are talking complete nonsense in this debate!
oh u are also doubting their ability(They work there or not). then also u won't give credit to Dr. Ambedkar and his contribution. Then u would say ..no! no!no!he was not belong to SC...he was a buddhist
Dharmender D he gave an instance because of some "चूतिया" like you, who do not understand the meaning of equality and just keep claming their superiority in development of the Nation.
App L History..... Keep living on crumbs you inefficient idiot ! No more response to you. You lost right to debate the moment you used abusive language in the first place. You are not worth responding to. END OF CONVERSATION.
Dharmender D आरक्षण केवल "संवैधानिक अधिकार" ही नही अपितु यह सवर्णों के हजारों सालों के पापों का प्रयश्चित भी है । और धर्मेंद्र बेटा मैं तुम्हारे बाप की उम्र का हूं और तुम मुझे मूर्ख बोल रहे ? ठीक है मैं तो नीच जाती का हूँ इसलिए तुमको बुरा बोला मगर तुम तो तथाकथित श्रेष्ठ जाती के विद्वान व्यक्ति हो न ।
Dharmender D मूर्ख तो तुम्हारे जन्मदाता होगें जो ऐसी स्वार्थी, निरर्थक और कायर संतान पैदा की है ।
भारती सर आपने जोरदार टक्कर दिया है बाकी दोनों शोषक व्यक्तियो को । तथाकथित सवर्ण ( ब्राह्मण धर्म के अनुसार ) आपके वक्त्यव्य से आग बबूला हो गए है । इससे साफ पता चलता है की इनको इस बार मिर्ची कहा लगी है.
जय मोदीजी । जय भारत माता । जय हिंद । जय आरएसएस ।
ashok kumar bharti ruined the whole debate...rstv should not call such persons on the show
Mera Bharat Mahan. Thanks now I will stop preparing for Govt jobs and prepare for some better alternative.
Ashok kumar bharathi.. U r simply super sir... Everyone should understand u r argument.
hehe, read the comments. everyone understood him perfectly. one side there is reserved ashok kumar bharti and on the other that meritorious secretory. people saw both and saw the difference.
Frank sir you are our favourite..
Kavindra sir in hindi
Frank sir in English
Two gem of Rajyasabha t.v
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Frank Sir is very gd anchor without biasness...👍👍👍
You give them job and then eventually they'll be promoted why do they need reservations in promotion. SC has become an agent of NDA and all this is due to elections.
prejudice in office is also a problem in getting equal promotion as pointed out by professor.
SURYA PRATAP I believe merit should be the first criterion and then anything shall come . Secondly as Sharad Pandey pointed out this is just propaganda to wine 2019 elections
SURYA PRATAP i also discriminated because m an ugly man ...so my boss never promotes me......i also want reservation for ugly man.....we r also suffering from discrimination........now what u will say surya pratap
Vish Singh I'm dying 😂😂😂😂😂
shaarad pandey जनरल हटाओ क्यूंकि उन्होंने 15000 सालों में देश को बर्बाद कर दिया। मूर्ख लड़की इस देश मे योग्यता को नही केवल बाप-भैया को नौकरी और प्रमोशन में प्राथमिकता मिलती है, अतः प्रमोशन में sc, st आरक्षण जरूरी ही नही अति-आवश्यक भी है।
The word *category* is the real cause of discrimination in 21st century in India.
Knowledgeable discourse
When things are sensitive, should be touched and maintained carefully. Reservation is one of them.must try to strike a balance between sensitiveness and suggestions . Since chain is as strong as it's weakest point, I do respect rstv for continuously maintaining professionalism.
Mr.S.S.Jodhka was very articulate with his thoughts and put some valid points , any decision must be taken based on empirical data and due diligence not with any emotional subtext.
Very healthy discussion
#thanks RSTV
It will lead towards students and workers movement.
This promotion would again forced the talented SC & ST candidate to live under the stigma of promotion.
I think Mr Ashok Bharti just proved the point that why we should not disregard merit and promote people solely on reservation along caste lines.
I really liked hearing to Piyush Singh though, He puts across his point in a lucid manner.
Ashok Kumar Bharti is very biased .
Such people only want to pit higher caste and dalit people .
I'm also come from so called scheduledd class.
Very nice Questions made by Bharati
Great job Mr. Frank !!!
Prof Jodhka has valid points...
I HAVE A BRAHMIN VILLAGE NEARBY THEY DO NOT REMIND WHO WAS LAST GOVT SERVANT THERE.WHAT IS THEIR FAULT??????
DOES ANY DALIT GOVT SERVANT READY TO ANSWER ?????
No lag between mic, wow, nice.
Himself being an adviser Mr.Bharti don't know even the desk etiquettes and simply personal attacking his co-panelist...very shameful and condemnable !! Rajya Sabha TV should take the note of this while calling guest on future debates.
most people r misinterpreting the statement of A.K BHARTI.....by which he mean that, if govt is dividing people on cast line ... religious lines only for vote bank ...how people will develop and it's nonsense to talk of efficiency. .....
..... what ever we will say, but plzz see the ground level. . .. ... SC,s st,s .... have suffered and r still suffering ....
Great said by Mr jodhka
SC+ST+OBC = 85% OF POPULATION.
I am from Tripura, serving under Department of Agriculture, Tripura since 2007. In Tripura, reservation categories are UR:52%, SC:17%, ST:33%. As a part of reservation system & 100 point roster, Govt of Tripura may converts General category seats to UN-RESERVED. This results in my Dept. STs jumped 2 steped promotion to Additional and Joint Director depriving a lot of General & SC category candidates. There is no quality / efficiency judgement and experience counting system in Govt. of Tripura. Govt. stick on 1 point - 100 point roster.
If u see in my Dept. Director(1 post) - 1 SC; Additional Director(9 post) - 9 ST, Joint Director (17 post) - 10+ ST; Deputy Director (43 post) - 20+ ST and ......
PRESENTLY ROOMMATES / CLASSMATES (join in service in SAME DATE & considering merit as constant) ARE CONVERTED TO DOUBLED / TRIPLED HIERARCHY DIFFERENCE.
Now my questions:-
1. Is this not violation of right to equality?
2. In the name of uplifting SC/ST, are they not grabbing the allotted seats of General?
3. What should be the proper way of judging the quality / efficiency of Govt employees?
4. In the name of reservation how a SENIOR General Govt. Officer got less salary than his JUNIOR ST category Officer?
5. Is reservation give proper socialism to India?
6. Why off-springs of SC/ST Govt. employees got both financial, marks and categorical benefit of SC/ST? Are they not occupying the benefits of their own category candidates?
7. If 85% people are under reservation, then what is the utility of this term?
Frank awesome anchor, the way he handles the mellow debates of RSTV :P
Mr. Piyush made the most sound and logical arguments, Mr. Bharti, on the other hand, was just puking all over the show with his illogical and rude comments
Professor jodhka. Is PERFECT man
Dear RS tv please increase the duration of the big picture at least 10min... Thank you...
Rare scene of personal attack on panelist in RSTV.
Really a productive debate...
I belong to bramin family, My concerns to eliminate caste discrimination more effective points than reservation ...
(1) Intercaste marriage . . like government could implement policy like whoever will marry with SC/ST then the other person will be provided with all the benifits of reservation.
(2) Municipality shall design residential and commercial areas like random allocation of occupancy . . Like we go to colony where we can see bramins, dalit, rajput are living in neighbouring.👍
(3) Representation of SC/ST in religious places like in temple committee, Pujaris and other religious activities etc
These are factory, which will completely eliminate sections in society and unite all castes together.
Reservation it self has not benifitd poor among the sc/st till now. They are facing most form of discrimination rather than upper level of SC/ST like government employees and educated people.
There must be reservation in promotion for OBC as well.
Piyush Sigh put a very relevant point that merit cant be considered as obscure.
Decreasing cut offs eg: 45 for general and 35 for SC/ST was never intended. It is political game.
Same merit is necessary for efficiency.
There should be reservations to be continued.But the merit should be respected.🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
The argument of merit , efficiency etc has vanished suddenly with the advent of EWS Quota .
An episode which left me completely baffled. I request the makers to invite erudite guests who hold respect for other panelists.
Should 85% reservation 😵😵 seriously !!! 🤔🤔 ... R u joking Mr Bharti...
Mr. Bharti made silly mistake while he talking about 85 % reservation, but he had pointed out well. It was just a mistake during conversation which no one corrected I think
people were smiling but as the time was not enough so no one spoke but their smiles were enough to defy his ignorance
Frank: the flag bearer of RSTV. Wish to meet you someday.
Mr. Ashok Kumar One question for u . Who is the President of the Country?
I think Mr Bharti wants any no. Of sc st fill civil service form they should be made IAS....hahaha
20:40 this can happen only on RS TV. .HATS off to Sir
Unearned promotions will only result in increased prejudice, how is that ignored.
Reservation at the time of selection put the sc st candidates on equal level of general candidates, then after they are equal it depends on their work who will get promotion. If the promotion is given on basis of quota then system will not work with its higher efficiency.
The most responsible one should get promoted either he is general or other categories. There should be no prejudice.
Why did you not call dr. Sukhdeo thorat in the debate??
Ashok bharti you are great
may god make you like him, that you dont even know how to speak and behave, come up with wrong facts and try to bully people just because you are a dalit.. get a life bro..
If you have any doubt over productivity of Dalits in workforce, then please read Ashwini Deshpande's "does affirmative action policy affect productivity?" On the contrary sc and St employees are more efficient than UR candidates because they have stigma that you came through the reservation.
Thank you Frank for for apology
My father's rank in the department seniority list for promotion is 1009 despite being 24 Years in the service. There are 720 employees ahead of him with less than half of the experience what my father has. How is this even equality? & its not only the case with my father. Beyond rank 1009 till 2112 people have more experience than every sc/st employees placed at rank 200-900. Rank 214 has 10 years 8 months.
I have the seniority list with me.I have analyzed it very well.
Prof. Jodhka Sir...👍👍👍
Though I m from general category ,I support mr bharati and mr jodhka ....We don't talk about cast discrimination but talk about reservation.. my uncle used say that there r many sc st candidate in burecracy which brilliant , always feel guilty how cast system destroyed country
I think general category should also need reservation, cut off marks for government exams are too high for general category.
Ashoka Kumar Bharati may have his point or experience, but his temper or the way he expresses would make his points unworthy. Very respectable of Frank to strike a balance.
Piyush Singh emerged as the champion in this debate
tanmay maithani
He emerged as fool.
Inequality will always remain either socially or economically but one must need to move forward with sustainable approach so that the citizens from the marginalized section's should also have the representation in the government of the day...
Mr. bharti ,mr. piyush and the prof. made valuable contribution to the debate.If prejudice remains at every level then why not reservations at every level ?
yeah hunt the meritorious students and people as much as you can. and say they must not be biased against the hunters. its going to bring up a civil war some day if the politics keep happening like this. yes education, free food etc should be provided to all, ban private schools if you like, but there should be no reservation in jobs and promotion.
Promotion of SC/ST is okay, but exelerating seniority and protecting it in the higher cadre is ridiculous.
Biggest mockery in the world is in Indian Constitution article 14,15,&16. It's time to chng this Constitution. From this programme I came to know one funny facts that tajmahl, qutub minar was built by by SC
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We want representation at all levels. As mr Mohan das karam Chand Gandhi thrust upon us this reservation on us. We want seperate electorate in India. We means SC and St.
BK Chaturvedi is right
Mr. Bharti, sorry but you didn't put forward even a single logical and acceptable argument. RSTV should invite only well mannered and expert panelist for tge discussion. This is not Republic TV or Aaj Tak for debates for the sake of propaganda and TRP, most of us are here for learning purpose!
Ashok bharti sir...👍👍👍
Mr Jodhka is right in this context.
Mr. Bharti saas-bahu ki ladhai type argument de rahe hain. I am no one to question sc/st merit but the arguments given by mr. Bharti surely showcase his merit :D :D
Ashok Bharti, don't make RSTV debate an AAJ TAK or INDIA TV debate.
Read the constiution,
As the panelists rightly said, "It's not a right to redressal but a right to access"
If a SC ST person is worthy enough to get into services (that too with reservation), then he is already on the equal platform with other bureaucracy. Then why give reservation again ??
Ashok kumar bharti next comedian....kuch bhi bolega matlab......khan se ye aagya is debate me
As chaturvedi sir told there are schedule caste officers who excell in their career. more over today also in our society there is caste system which suppress political and economic growth of dalits. Dalits deserve reservation until India has caste system. At present in rural area no dalit has lands, our major portion of land and political power is in the hands of touchables. Supreme court verdict has encouraged caste system in bureaucracy. why there is no demand for swacchata karmachari works? why dont these savarniya ask give representation in drainage work?
Do u want all sc ,st candidates should be appointed in higher post..
Reservation never eliminate social and economic disparities due to their very motion to spread further discrimination based on economic and social condition. Equal opportunity instead is a very noble notion which create a better society free from inequality. When both rich and poor students go school and college together then society can be free from discrimination and the other social evils.
This is the shit of the reservation how much reservation they need
They need reservations for getting study
They need reservations for getting job
And now for promotion....why only about sc /St quota not on the basis of talent and efficiency of work abilities
Basically ashok kumar bharti saying is, fuck meritocracy , we'll show you what efficiency is all about !
I believe that logic behind reservation was that those who do not have the capacity to compete should be given reservation so that they can reach equal footing. After getting reservation in employment they have reached that footing. Both the reserved and non-reserved have equal opportunities after getting selected. What is the point of further reservation in promotion, this will rather create an unfair benefit for the one getting reservation and injustice to one who is not getting reservation.
Tina Dabi, I respect her for her 1st rank. But, her parents were well paid govt. employees. Should she not suffer the pain of missing the pre qualification marks, no doubt she scored top marks in UPSC mains.
Ashok kumar bharti... well done sir
Frank himself is diverting the topic from reservation in promotion to reservation itself ....
Anyways this debate needs more clarification but one point i can make here is weather it is parliament or SC ... they must take consideration n representation of all stakeholders while deciding policy and while hearing in courts as well