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As someone who has only been a patient I agree, if everyone who has a doctorate introduced themselves as doctor it would be very confusing. It’s much easier to remember they’re your PA, CRNA, physical therapist, etc without having the doctor in there to confuse someone. People have selective hearing especially during stressful times, they may hear “doctor Rihanna and I’ll be your CRNA” but completely ignore the CRNA part and assume you’re their physician.
Even as an ICU nurse I would be confused if I was a patient and I had PT, pharmacy, CRNA, etc introducing themselves as “doctor”. I think you have found a happy medium here. Thanks for sharing.
You are such an inspiration! I'm binge watching your channel. I'm 46 and starting school to be an LVN in October. I'm researching my future path and found your channel searching for information on travel nursing. Your smile and heart are infectious.
You are so well-spoken and you addressed this so clearly, calmly, and professionally. I just got my RN license and start my job next month. Your videos have motivated me so much. Thank you for all that you do!
Personally, I will be following a similar strategy. I am pursuing a Doctorate of Occupational Therapy, and when I achieve that, I will be “Elizabeth, your Occupational Therapist” to my patients, and Dr. Lambdin to anyone else I am speaking to. I feel like it emphasizes the special connection between practitioner and patient, recognizing it as different than other relationships. Very interesting video!
@@TheSchoellerFamily This really gave me perspective. I am a doctor of physical therapy and was just discussing what to call myself with patients vs. anyone else! To this point I always have said, "Hello my name is Suzanne and I will be your physical therapist today," but I am Dr. Kritz to everyone else.
this is such a good explaination! thank you so much for sharing your thoughts- I think this is such a good balance of honoring yourself and your accomplishments as well as meeting patients where they're at and providing the most effective approach to care :)
Regardless of the title, you should just secretly call yourself a badass. 🙌 I just survived the first year of nursing school with 2 kids at home, during a pandemic and a social revolution... maybe someday I'll make it as far as you but for now I'm just glad I made it past the first year 🤯🤯🤯
Best explanation!! As healthcare providers we want to do the best for the patient, that includes limiting confusion in an already overwhelming situation.
Thanks for posting the video! I've been watching your content for several years and plan on becoming a CRNA (just got accepted into the ICU as a new grad!). Don't let those negative comments get you down, I know you've inspired many people including me :)
Absolutely love this video and this explanation!!! Thank you so much. Truly appreciate it and has answered not only some of my questions, but others questions that I know are confused
Great explanation. I’ve spent a career worrying about words. You did very well. Great, warm, caring, and competent CRNAs, like you, have handled several surgeries for me. Oh, I have a doctorate, a JD. But I’ve always gone by “Dan, I’m your lawyer.” For attorneys, JD means “just a doctorate”. You have a great channel and really help health consumers. Thanks
This makes a lot of sense to me. For the sake of the patient's well being and by that I mean avoiding unnecessary confusion and stress on their part, I would simply address myself as a nurse anesthetist if I was one. Moreover, as Rhiana said, there's not much time to do the explaining to patients before the treatment. I also liked how Rhiana is still extremely proud to be a doctor of nurse anesthesia despite not addressing herself as one to her patients. After all, I would assume that people who want to pursue CRNA would do so more to help their patients rather than garner respect from the patients by having them address you as doctor for mere puffed up, ecogentric pride. Great post!
Great video! I appreciate how you explained that. When I get to this point in my career, academically, I will be a doctor. But at my core, I’m a nurse and I’m extremely proud of that. 🤷🏾♀️❤️
I love my physiology professor’s choice to refuse to use the title “Dr.” unless he absolutely has to. He hates being called Dr. because of the way he has seen other people with a doctorate degree treat “common folk” if you will. He is supremely qualified and well respected in his field and he just goes by his first name whenever possible. I think it’s important to remember that you aren’t better than anybody just because you went to school for 10 years to get a degree. Not that most people are like that, but I think we’ve all seen somebody at one point or another snobbishly correct somebody who calls them Mr. or Miss or something and they say, “Actually, it’s DOCTOR.” Like I understand being proud of your accomplishment, but just be kind to people. Holding a doctorate degree doesn’t make you more of a person than somebody who got an associates at a community college. We’re all humans!
Can I go a little off topic here for 2 seconds? I completely agree with everything you're saying btw. Have you seen criminal minds? A very late episode in the later seasons a judge is trying to play down Spencer because of him being young. The judge told him sir you need to calm down. Spencer replied its doctor and I am calm. 😍 I want to do that one day lol
Great video. I went to RN school, then went on to earn my MD. I think most doctors don't understand nursing just as most nurses don't understand medicine, regardless of the fact that they often work so closely. The exception would be those that have done both. "Tons of people with doctorates in the medical field." I disagree. Perhaps it would be better to say there are many in the "health care fields" and biomedical fields" with doctorates. There is only one profession in medicine, the physician, some of whom also have a PhD. As you say, and as some comments below reflect, it can be confusing to patients. As an example, I have trained a number of NPs and PAs that became physicians. They had to go to medical school and were not given any advanced standing. I know only one CRNA that went to med school. Again, he was given no advanced standing. Though they all had great experience and were more comfortable in the clinical setting, they had to work as hard as anybody else to get through med school and residency. All of them have admitted that they had previously thought they were already somehow partly educated and/or qualified in medicine and learned otherwise. As for academic versus professional titles, I feel you are quite right. In academia, the PhD and other academic doctorates are correctly addressed as doctor, just as are those with professional doctorates. When I send young doctors on residency interviews and fellowship interviews, I tell them to introduce themselves by their first name, not "Dr. So-and-so". Most physicians don't go around saying they are a doctor or insist on being addressed that way. But when the patients need to differentiate the roles of those on their team, they should know who the doctors are IMHO. By the way, my father was an anesthesiologist. I had considered CRNA after nursing school but went to med school instead because I did want to do anesthesia, I wanted to do surgery. One of my best mentors when I was young was a CRNA that worked under my father.
I will continue to introduce myself as Leo, your nurse today. It allows for a more intimate connection from the start. People that work in the medical field would understand, when you meet a physician for the first time and they introduce themselves by their first name. It makes them more approachable and feel apart of the healthcare team. So, imagine how a patient might feel if you introduce yourself as a person first and then give the appropriate education about what is your medical training consist of and the years of study has made you a competent clinician. Don't feel the need to let everyone know that you have DNP, MD, PhD, or PharmD behind your name. If that is the reason why you went to school. Honey, honey.......please, just don't.
@Leonardo Fajardo Probably the most thoughtful answer I’ve heard. I wish everyone could think like you. People get so caught up in titles that they forget what they’re really there for. Well said my brotha. Well said.
Your bedside manner is worth a thousand titles. I speak from an absolutely heartbreaking experience w my brother. Keep doing what you are doing ❤️. I would have loved to have someone like you at that time.
you shouldn't worry about other people understanding unless it's a child. You're a doctor so you can choose to be addressed as such. No need to be insecure about it
In my opinion with the amount of time and money that yourself and others have spent on their education has earned the title of "doctor". Dr. *insert last name* is likely perceived as more professional title than using your first name and credentials. Informing people of all the educational changes that many healthcare professions have undergone in recent years through the use of the title "doctor" in practice is the only way to start to break the misconception that doctor is exclusively synonymous with physician. Many people by default have a higher degree of trust for those with the doctor title because they know it is associated with educational prestige and excellence and this would not be a misconception on the part of the patient as all healthcare professionals with a doctoral degree have undergone extensive training physician or not. I understand the desire to be pragmatic and avoid the potential confusion that healthcare professionals may cause when using the title of doctor when they are not physicians, but I feel that the public should begin to understand these misconceptions because doctoral degrees for healthcare professionals is becoming more and more commonplace and even required for many moving forward in the future.
Totally agree Adam! I also wished Dr. Schoeller talked about the word anesthesiologist. Physicians literally think they "own" these words, IT"S CRAZY!!
Very well said. I totally agree that we need to start these conversations and educate people who may not know that other types of doctorate degrees exist. It’s only confusing when you don’t know.
Also as far as the "it'll be confusing because everyone is 'doctor' argument" I think if you were to say something along the lines of "Dr. so-and-so from pharmacy, or Dr. you-get-the-point from PT" would be clear and precise and also provide the professional respect, precision, clarity, and courtesy that these professionals deserve.
Wow, I can't believe that people would have such a problem with all of this! The fact that you present yourself as nurse to your patients and doctor to your colleagues is a no-brainer. You are so nice that I'm sure anyone who gets to have you as a nurse or hear you speak feels lucky!
Hello, I am an IEN but soon will apply for my ABSN, then do a CCRN experience. I have a passion in CRNA. Can someone study and work at the same time? just to get some extra cash.? Kindly advice
An older thread I know, but I don’t get why people think the title of Dr. is only for physicians. If you know the history, then you’ll know physicians actually “stole” the title of “Doctor” from PhD’s. It was exclusive to PhD’s to be called Dr. The medical community wanted a more revered title. They thought being called just a physician was too lowly and usurped the title of Doctor from the PhD’s who were the original Doctors. A physician has a medical doctorate degree. Rihanna has a doctorate degree in nurse anesthesia and someone else may have a doctorate in pharmacy. They all work in a hospital for example. Anyone who worked hard to get through their schooling and earn a doctorate shouldn’t be stopped from being called Doctor in the hospital setting. I get why. The physicians have essentially blocked all other doctorates in the hospital from using the title in a hospital setting except for them. They usurped the title from PhD’s who were historically the original “real” Doctors. One day physicians may have to share back that title of “Dr.” , albeit it will be reluctantly. I just think in the future it will change. No reason one group should have the monopoly on being called a Dr. in the clinical setting. And patients aren’t stupid. With all of the media exposure, they’re becoming hip to education and titles. Also, I think it’s so great NPs have filled in the shortages for rural family medicine. Many MD’s don’t want to go into family medicine and prefer to specialize.
Thank you Dr. Rhianna Ferial for this Beautiful explanation 👌🏽...Now I can Clearly understand, I m a new RN from India & In India there is no position like NP or CPRNA, So I really wants to come in abroad for extent my higher study & gain more knowledge about our Nursing. I would really very interested to become a CPRNA in future. Bless me😊❤
I 100% agree with this video -I think in an academic setting it appropriate for all Doctors to be called Dr.... but in practical settings like hospitals leave it to Physicians to be referred to as Dr. XYZ 🙏🏾❤️🙏🏾
@@pinkyellowstone I won't say anything else beyond this because I want to respect Rhianna's wishes to keep it friendly here, but you're the one who came to this video and responded to my comment. You certainly were looking. That's all.
@@pinkyellowstone ew why the condescending tone? relax. it's arrogance like this that makes MDs and med students look bad. CRNA salaries dwarf some MDs on top of being able to start practicing earlier, with less debt and clearly less of an ego. keep living out your grey's anatomy fantasy while simultaneously drowning in student loans and nurses will continue advancing and taking your jobs. bye
If I’m not mistaken, when taking medical terminology and my experience in the health field; anesthesiologists are physicians who study anesthesia. Why are nurses calling themselves nurse anesthesiologists when they’re not physicians just nurses with a doctorate degree in nursing?
cee w you are correct a anesthesiologists is a physician .. I’ll try and give you a little run down,lately (the last few years) there has been CRNAs along with several nursing groups that are trying to push the term “nurse anesthesiologists” as a acceptable term for CRNAs to describe themselves to a patient . One well known case is the New Hampshire Association of Nurse Anesthetists which has sued and gone to court for the “right” to call themselves “nurse anesthesiologist” in turn the board of medicine has taken it to the state Supreme Court . The brief asks the State of New Hampshire Supreme Court to uphold a New Hampshire Board of Medicine decision that stops individuals from identifying themselves as anesthesiologists if they aren’t licensed as such. There is a long history of territorial “rivalry” between CRNAs and anesthesiologists and this is just another example. But just like you were confused just imagine how the patient would feel ..
If I were a DNP prepared CRNA I would call myself “Dr.” but I totally understand your reasoning here! There was a CRNA at my hospital that introduced herself “hi I’m Dr. (xyz) and I’m a Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist, I’ll be handling your anesthesia and pain control today.” Personally I think that’s perfect, but everyone is different ☺️
Well you just proved the point because you can’t be a nurse and a doctor at the same time in people who are not in healthcare. Actually even people in healthcare who are not well versed would be confused too
What does a crna do at the hospital while not in surgery? Are they helping other nurses on the floor. I would love to be a crna one day and help the other nurses on the floor while not performing.
Thank you, Rihanna!! For being a voice for ALL nursing staff, from nursing assistants, to RNs, up to higher level nursing practice. Never let anyone dim your shine! You’re amazing and you have worked so incredibly hard for this, you deserve it!! ♥️ All the best!
As a patient it clarifys things when a nurse anesthist introduces her/ him self as that & a Anesthiologist introduces themselves as such. After a terrible motorcycle accident my spleen was ruptured & the pain was like fire in my perineum. I screamed out someone get over here & put me under! Title or that title just someone that was quaified to get me under for my laprascopy. Sorry for the spelling. Both do wonderful work & Anesthesiologist can't be every where all the time.
I think it’s important to educate patients. I’ve never had a patient be confused by my professional doctoral title-why: because I always let them know I am the nurse anesthesiologist. The same way the general public have had dentist, chiropractors, and professors which they call doctor; they will learn that their are clinical nurse whom are also doctors.
I think that whatever you want to do is your business and, like you said, you have the same privileges and treat patients the same no matter the title. However, i also support someone that wants to show what they worked so hard to get (and all the $ spent). Education can be done fast as well: hello, Im Dr Blank and I will be with you throughout the entire procedure being in charge of anesthesia (or whatever line you would say). A patient is then not confused since you mentioned you are the Dr in charge of anesthesia. One can assume the surgeon also said that he/she is the dr in charge of the surgical part. But whatever you wanna do shouldnt be a problem with anyone, you are still fully respected regardless of what you call yourself. Thank you for this video ❤️❤️❤️
Hi Rihanna firstly I want to start off by saying your videos are really good and I love them. My question was that in the us does a doctor make more than crna? I don’t mind I’m just curious too know because both jobs are amazing
I completely agree with you about trying not to confuse the patient. My end goal is to be a nurse anesthetist but right now I work in the hospital delivering patients their meals and people think that I’m their nurse when they’re loaded up on meds or when they’re older. And it should be all about patient care and making the patient feel comfortable. Maybe once the mass public understands the differences in how many Different types of Doctors there is maybe then you can show off that Doctor tittle! 💞
No doubt you should be proud of your doctorate degree. I think you are right in the way you introduce yourself, for the same reasons you explained. I understand the other views as well.
You are so humble and compassionate !!! Shame on those people who are talking bad about you without even knowing your stance about this. If I ever become your patient or a CRNAs patient I will definitely call them Dr. so and so :) hopefully I don’t though 🤣😭
I never knew the actual definition! Really cool video! People really need to quit with the bad comments!! Didn’t y’all families teach you all that if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all!! Much love to you Rhianna!! Kristin, Oklahoma. 🙃🙃🙃
Thankyou so much for the clear explanation! I have a question about ICU experience for CRNA school. Is PICU or pediatric cardiac ICU experience acceptable for CRNA school? Love your positive attitude!
Hi, I’ve been thinking about going into CRNA. What do you think the hardest class is once you’re in crna school? Also, is the physics really hard? Love your videos btw
I mean hey I may not make that much now but $60,000 a year after taxes is not bad at all for my certificate and certification I earned in 10 months! So time's that by what 8 years to become a CRNA along with student loan debt bc I wouldn't have 100% of the funds to cover all of that schooling. Not bad for a Tech position until I become a SFA/SA! Great video 👍!!!
I feel as if those who have a huge issue with this are the CRNAs with ego problems. Why not just be happy you make great money and have a kick ass job? What does title matter that does nothing more than inflate ego and confuse patients? I like your explanation that you went to school to be a nurse anesthetist and that you take pride as introducing yourself as such. I will be applying to crna school within the next year and I believe that I’ll adopt that mindset as well assuming everything goes as planned. Good video!
You had me in the first half, but ultimately great video! Thank you for not introducing yourself as doctor. It is absolutely unacceptable for any non-physician care provider to intentionally mislead a patient about the nature of their educational history and level of training by referring to themselves as doctor within a healthcare setting; as you explained, regardless of what the dictionary says, patients have their own widely-held and well-known definition of the word “doctor,” which puts the onus on the care provider to communicate with full honesty and transparency. A PhD archaeologist would be laughed (or escorted..) out of the hospital if they walked into an exam room and introduced themselves as doctor, yet somehow some think these same rules shouldn’t apply to nurses! You clearly have a very thoughtful perspective, and a well-deserved pride in the important title that you have earned. You’ve done a great service to healthcare teams and patients alike by taking this stance.
I want to add that I don't disagree with doctorate prepared providers who introduce themselves as such but I chose not to for the patient's sake and confusion associated with the title.
I totally relate to everything in this video..not on a medical side but on an academic side..After I finish my bachelors and then my masters..I look to get my doctoral degree for Doctor of Education..When speaking to colleagues and such I would use the Dr but when talking to children I wont..I would still use Mr just because I dont want elementary schoolers to associate me with thier doctor and what happens when you go to the doctor
Love the channel, I also wished you addressed the word anesthesiologist. Nurse anesthesiologist is a common term that is being used and like 'doctor,' physicians think they own these words. Some physician anesthesiologists get extremely triggered when a nurse anesthetist introduces him/herself at the nurse anesthesiologist. I personally like introducing myself as a CRNA, but anesthetist is a difficult word to pronounce so I feel like the term nurse anesthesiologist is the best of both worlds (easy to pronounce and doesn't necessarily confuse the patient).
I'm glad you brought that up. I'll talk about it at some point and so many people can't say anesthetist! What I find interesting is in other countries they don't use the term anesthesiologist for MDAs, they use anesthetist. I need to read more about the history of the term here.
I’m going towards my doctorate in nursing and agree that it is too confusing to call yourself doctor in a medical setting and not worth the hassle of constantly explaining it.
I think our priority in the clinical setting should be the patients and medicine is very complicated for the lay person. Not using the doctor title takes nothing away from your achievements as an NP, CRNA, pharmacist, or OT. You wouldn't want a phD recipient parading around a hospital as a 'doctor' and being mistaking as a physician. I view DNPs the same way, you have a academic achievement but you are not licensed as a medical doctor.
Ehh. Educational wise it’s very different a nurse practitioner gets a bachelor in nursing then maybe an additional 3 years to learn to more medicine aspect similar in my opinion to a physician assistant. A physician spends their 4 years extensively learning medicine not the nursing aspect and then another 4-8 years in residency mastering their specific field of medicine. I don’t think a np should be viewed as an unlicensed physician lol
REDD-IVEEE NP are licensed as NPs, they are not unlicensed. And while many have masters degrees, some NPs have a doctorate in nursing practice and their title is technically doctor. It would not be wrong for them to call themselves "Dr. Smith, DNP" they still have a doctorate. My point is that in the clinical setting this confuses patients, they should definitely use their title in academia.
Livia Martin I was repeating what you said in your last sentence you view them as having an academic achievement just not licensed as a medical doctor. It seemed as if you were saying you see them the same as a physician just not licensed.
Another great video. You and so many others have inspired me to make my own YT channel. I am a 3rd year nursing student and my first video drops next week. I hope I can help people with my experiences just as you do. Future BSN, RN Future CRNA
Well said. However, I don't believe all physicians are doctors. For example, outside of the US, physicians earn a Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery (MBBS) and maybe called Sir, Dr., or Mr. [Last name.] But yes, in the US, physicians are doctors of medicine (MD/DO).
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Rhianna you are great at everything you do.explain it well.
This is the best explanation for all the confused masses. "All Physicians are Doctors, not all Doctors are Physicians"
Yes!
I finished 3 classes at a community college and I sign everything as Sir Dr. Schoeller. Don't @ me.
Well you did get A's so I don't blame you.
You make/pay enough money and I’m sure you could be legitimately knighted. Food for thought. 😂 #goals
😂 😂 😂 😂! Love it 😍!!! Dr. Jon Schoeller
Not bad
ur a dr. ??..
As someone who has only been a patient I agree, if everyone who has a doctorate introduced themselves as doctor it would be very confusing. It’s much easier to remember they’re your PA, CRNA, physical therapist, etc without having the doctor in there to confuse someone. People have selective hearing especially during stressful times, they may hear “doctor Rihanna and I’ll be your CRNA” but completely ignore the CRNA part and assume you’re their physician.
Thanks for sharing your outlook!
Even as an ICU nurse I would be confused if I was a patient and I had PT, pharmacy, CRNA, etc introducing themselves as “doctor”. I think you have found a happy medium here. Thanks for sharing.
Same! It's all about the patients!
You seem like an extremely practical person who really values her patients’ understanding and wellbeing over anything else. You’re awesome! ❤️
Thanks Hannah ❤
Greatly appreciated in the explaining. Dr. Rhianna, you’re so modest, classy and humble. I love learning from you. ❤
You are such an inspiration! I'm binge watching your channel. I'm 46 and starting school to be an LVN in October. I'm researching my future path and found your channel searching for information on travel nursing.
Your smile and heart are infectious.
I completely agree with you. As a fellow doctorally trained CRNA I introduce myself in the clinical setting and academic setting similar to you.
Glad we're on the same page Bolt!
Paging doctor nurse doctor nurse
It's amazing to see Bolt here....I'm learning a lot from both of you
You are so well-spoken and you addressed this so clearly, calmly, and professionally. I just got my RN license and start my job next month. Your videos have motivated me so much. Thank you for all that you do!
Thank you so much Kellie! CONGRATS TO YOU!!!
Very well explained Rhianna. I struggle explaining this topic to people as well.
Glad I explained it well! I hope you're loving your new job!
Personally, I will be following a similar strategy. I am pursuing a Doctorate of Occupational Therapy, and when I achieve that, I will be “Elizabeth, your Occupational Therapist” to my patients, and Dr. Lambdin to anyone else I am speaking to. I feel like it emphasizes the special connection between practitioner and patient, recognizing it as different than other relationships. Very interesting video!
I agree with you! There is a special connection ❤
@@TheSchoellerFamily This really gave me perspective. I am a doctor of physical therapy and was just discussing what to call myself with patients vs. anyone else! To this point I always have said, "Hello my name is Suzanne and I will be your physical therapist today," but I am Dr. Kritz to everyone else.
this is such a good explaination! thank you so much for sharing your thoughts- I think this is such a good balance of honoring yourself and your accomplishments as well as meeting patients where they're at and providing the most effective approach to care :)
You gave the best and most humble explanation about this topic. Thank you for being you.
Regardless of the title, you should just secretly call yourself a badass. 🙌
I just survived the first year of nursing school with 2 kids at home, during a pandemic and a social revolution... maybe someday I'll make it as far as you but for now I'm just glad I made it past the first year 🤯🤯🤯
Wow 🤯 you're pretty bad ass yourself! Congrats on surviving superdad!
We are in the same boat ⛵️!
@@majjesty456 I wish is both luck and success!!
@@TheSchoellerFamily I had a lot of help. My other half deserves as much credit or more 😁
I love that your mission is to treat your patients without an expectation of recognition during their vulnerability.
I absolutely love how proud you are of being a nurse 😇 it’s easily one of the best fields to be in!
Best explanation!! As healthcare providers we want to do the best for the patient, that includes limiting confusion in an already overwhelming situation.
Exactly!
Thanks for posting the video! I've been watching your content for several years and plan on becoming a CRNA (just got accepted into the ICU as a new grad!). Don't let those negative comments get you down, I know you've inspired many people including me :)
I get so many more positive comments than negative ones so thank you ♡ AND CONGRATULATIONS ON GETTING AN ICU JOB!!! 🥳🥳🥳
Absolutely love this video and this explanation!!! Thank you so much. Truly appreciate it and has answered not only some of my questions, but others questions that I know are confused
Sorry to hear you’ve been receiving negative comments! You’ve inspired me so much to explore being a CRNA ❤️
Thanks Melissa! It's okay, I just wanted to share! ❤
Great explanation. I’ve spent a career worrying about words. You did very well. Great, warm, caring, and competent CRNAs, like you, have handled several surgeries for me. Oh, I have a doctorate, a JD. But I’ve always gone by “Dan, I’m your lawyer.” For attorneys, JD means “just a doctorate”. You have a great channel and really help health consumers. Thanks
I love this, Rhianna! 👍🏾 This should be common practice, not to diminish anyone’s accomplishments, but to keep the patients better informed 😊
This makes a lot of sense to me. For the sake of the patient's well being and by that I mean avoiding unnecessary confusion and stress on their part, I would simply address myself as a nurse anesthetist if I was one. Moreover, as Rhiana said, there's not much time to do the explaining to patients before the treatment. I also liked how Rhiana is still extremely proud to be a doctor of nurse anesthesia despite not addressing herself as one to her patients. After all, I would assume that people who want to pursue CRNA would do so more to help their patients rather than garner respect from the patients by having them address you as doctor for mere puffed up, ecogentric pride. Great post!
Great video! I appreciate how you explained that. When I get to this point in my career, academically, I will be a doctor. But at my core, I’m a nurse and I’m extremely proud of that. 🤷🏾♀️❤️
I understan. I understand why you do what you do and thank you.
I love my physiology professor’s choice to refuse to use the title “Dr.” unless he absolutely has to. He hates being called Dr. because of the way he has seen other people with a doctorate degree treat “common folk” if you will. He is supremely qualified and well respected in his field and he just goes by his first name whenever possible. I think it’s important to remember that you aren’t better than anybody just because you went to school for 10 years to get a degree. Not that most people are like that, but I think we’ve all seen somebody at one point or another snobbishly correct somebody who calls them Mr. or Miss or something and they say, “Actually, it’s DOCTOR.” Like I understand being proud of your accomplishment, but just be kind to people. Holding a doctorate degree doesn’t make you more of a person than somebody who got an associates at a community college. We’re all humans!
Can I go a little off topic here for 2 seconds? I completely agree with everything you're saying btw. Have you seen criminal minds? A very late episode in the later seasons a judge is trying to play down Spencer because of him being young. The judge told him sir you need to calm down. Spencer replied its doctor and I am calm. 😍 I want to do that one day lol
Great video.
I went to RN school, then went on to earn my MD. I think most doctors don't understand nursing just as most nurses don't understand medicine, regardless of the fact that they often work so closely. The exception would be those that have done both.
"Tons of people with doctorates in the medical field." I disagree. Perhaps it would be better to say there are many in the "health care fields" and biomedical fields" with doctorates. There is only one profession in medicine, the physician, some of whom also have a PhD. As you say, and as some comments below reflect, it can be confusing to patients.
As an example, I have trained a number of NPs and PAs that became physicians. They had to go to medical school and were not given any advanced standing. I know only one CRNA that went to med school. Again, he was given no advanced standing. Though they all had great experience and were more comfortable in the clinical setting, they had to work as hard as anybody else to get through med school and residency. All of them have admitted that they had previously thought they were already somehow partly educated and/or qualified in medicine and learned otherwise.
As for academic versus professional titles, I feel you are quite right. In academia, the PhD and other academic doctorates are correctly addressed as doctor, just as are those with professional doctorates.
When I send young doctors on residency interviews and fellowship interviews, I tell them to introduce themselves by their first name, not "Dr. So-and-so". Most physicians don't go around saying they are a doctor or insist on being addressed that way. But when the patients need to differentiate the roles of those on their team, they should know who the doctors are IMHO.
By the way, my father was an anesthesiologist. I had considered CRNA after nursing school but went to med school instead because I did want to do anesthesia, I wanted to do surgery. One of my best mentors when I was young was a CRNA that worked under my father.
Thank you so much for sharing your perspective having been on both sides! I appreciate you explaining your point of view!
I completely agree! Yes in the academic setting, no in the clinical setting
Kenyans should read this. Obsession with titles here are on another level. Thank you for your clarification. Listening to you is so calming!
Loved your explanations of the patient perspective!
The number 1 priority 💜
I will continue to introduce myself as Leo, your nurse today. It allows for a more intimate connection from the start. People that work in the medical field would understand, when you meet a physician for the first time and they introduce themselves by their first name. It makes them more approachable and feel apart of the healthcare team. So, imagine how a patient might feel if you introduce yourself as a person first and then give the appropriate education about what is your medical training consist of and the years of study has made you a competent clinician.
Don't feel the need to let everyone know that you have DNP, MD, PhD, or PharmD behind your name. If that is the reason why you went to school. Honey, honey.......please, just don't.
@Leonardo Fajardo Probably the most thoughtful answer I’ve heard. I wish everyone could think like you. People get so caught up in titles that they forget what they’re really there for. Well said my brotha. Well said.
Your bedside manner is worth a thousand titles. I speak from an absolutely heartbreaking experience w my brother. Keep doing what you are doing ❤️. I would have loved to have someone like you at that time.
I'm so sorry for what you went through. Thank you ♡
you shouldn't worry about other people understanding unless it's a child. You're a doctor so you can choose to be addressed as such. No need to be insecure about it
In my opinion with the amount of time and money that yourself and others have spent on their education has earned the title of "doctor". Dr. *insert last name* is likely perceived as more professional title than using your first name and credentials. Informing people of all the educational changes that many healthcare professions have undergone in recent years through the use of the title "doctor" in practice is the only way to start to break the misconception that doctor is exclusively synonymous with physician. Many people by default have a higher degree of trust for those with the doctor title because they know it is associated with educational prestige and excellence and this would not be a misconception on the part of the patient as all healthcare professionals with a doctoral degree have undergone extensive training physician or not. I understand the desire to be pragmatic and avoid the potential confusion that healthcare professionals may cause when using the title of doctor when they are not physicians, but I feel that the public should begin to understand these misconceptions because doctoral degrees for healthcare professionals is becoming more and more commonplace and even required for many moving forward in the future.
Totally agree Adam! I also wished Dr. Schoeller talked about the word anesthesiologist. Physicians literally think they "own" these words, IT"S CRAZY!!
Very well said. I totally agree that we need to start these conversations and educate people who may not know that other types of doctorate degrees exist. It’s only confusing when you don’t know.
I agree Adam, great points. Education is much needed!
Also as far as the "it'll be confusing because everyone is 'doctor' argument" I think if you were to say something along the lines of "Dr. so-and-so from pharmacy, or Dr. you-get-the-point from PT" would be clear and precise and also provide the professional respect, precision, clarity, and courtesy that these professionals deserve.
Renee Austin: Exactly! “It’s only confusing when you don’t know!”
In the British Commonwealth if you are the holder of a doctorate then your title is Doctor. But I definitely understand what you are saying
For me after 8 years of school, no matter what I am if I get a Doctorate I'll make it known I'm a Doctor of (Insert future profession)
Is there an income difference between a CRNA and DNP.
Wow, I can't believe that people would have such a problem with all of this! The fact that you present yourself as nurse to your patients and doctor to your colleagues is a no-brainer. You are so nice that I'm sure anyone who gets to have you as a nurse or hear you speak feels lucky!
Aw thanks Lisa, that's so sweet!
Thank you for sharing. I appreciate your perspective. Good job.
Hello,
I am an IEN but soon will apply for my ABSN, then do a CCRN experience. I have a passion in CRNA. Can someone study and work at the same time? just to get some extra cash.? Kindly advice
I'm currently in school for nursing, but getting to CRNA is my end goal. I've always wondered this, thanks for the explanation!
I think you made a great point! I dont understand why people would even be mad at using doctor but i can understand why other ppl would be confused
People get upset about it because they think it is only for physicians.
An older thread I know, but I don’t get why people think the title of Dr. is only for physicians. If you know the history, then you’ll know physicians actually “stole” the title of “Doctor” from PhD’s. It was exclusive to PhD’s to be called Dr. The medical community wanted a more revered title. They thought being called just a physician was too lowly and usurped the title of Doctor from the PhD’s who were the original Doctors.
A physician has a medical doctorate degree. Rihanna has a doctorate degree in nurse anesthesia and someone else may have a doctorate in pharmacy. They all work in a hospital for example. Anyone who worked hard to get through their schooling and earn a doctorate shouldn’t be stopped from being called Doctor in the hospital setting. I get why. The physicians have essentially blocked all other doctorates in the hospital from using the title in a hospital setting except for them. They usurped the title from PhD’s who were historically the original “real” Doctors.
One day physicians may have to share back that title of “Dr.” , albeit it will be reluctantly. I just think in the future it will change. No reason one group should have the monopoly on being called a Dr. in the clinical setting. And patients aren’t stupid. With all of the media exposure, they’re becoming hip to education and titles.
Also, I think it’s so great NPs have filled in the shortages for rural family medicine. Many MD’s don’t want to go into family medicine and prefer to specialize.
The term Doctor is derived from the Latin term docco which mean “to teach”.
WOW VERY VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE
So glad I found your channel! I want to become an CRNA. Your channel is so informative, thank you!
Hii how can I join dnap program I completed my RN currently I'm working in Dubai clinic
The most thing I like is your English . It is very nice and clear thank you very very much
Thank you Dr. Rhianna Ferial for this Beautiful explanation 👌🏽...Now I can Clearly understand, I m a new RN from India & In India there is no position like NP or CPRNA, So I really wants to come in abroad for extent my higher study & gain more knowledge about our Nursing. I would really very interested to become a CPRNA in future. Bless me😊❤
You are wise beyond your years!
I 100% agree with this video -I think in an academic setting it appropriate for all Doctors to be called Dr.... but in practical settings like hospitals leave it to Physicians to be referred to as Dr. XYZ 🙏🏾❤️🙏🏾
The medical residents are flocking in as we speak
The insecurity can be smelled from here.
I hope it helps them understand if they don't already!
@@pinkyellowstone ^^ Found him!!!
@@pinkyellowstone I won't say anything else beyond this because I want to respect Rhianna's wishes to keep it friendly here, but you're the one who came to this video and responded to my comment. You certainly were looking. That's all.
@@pinkyellowstone ew why the condescending tone? relax. it's arrogance like this that makes MDs and med students look bad. CRNA salaries dwarf some MDs on top of being able to start practicing earlier, with less debt and clearly less of an ego. keep living out your grey's anatomy fantasy while simultaneously drowning in student loans and nurses will continue advancing and taking your jobs. bye
i was just having this conversation with my girlfriend yesterday! thank you for clarifying the subject
Glad it helped!
YOU'RE SO BOLD
Very well said I 100% agree!!
Totally understand your assessment. Thank you for addressing this.
How do you feel about some CRNAs trying to push the term “nurse anesthesiologists “?
I'll make a video about that 😉
If I’m not mistaken, when taking medical terminology and my experience in the health field; anesthesiologists are physicians who study anesthesia. Why are nurses calling themselves nurse anesthesiologists when they’re not physicians just nurses with a doctorate degree in nursing?
cee w you are correct a anesthesiologists is a physician .. I’ll try and give you a little run down,lately (the last few years) there has been CRNAs along with several nursing groups that are trying to push the term “nurse anesthesiologists” as a acceptable term for CRNAs to describe themselves to a patient . One well known case is the New Hampshire Association of Nurse Anesthetists which has sued and gone to court for the “right” to call themselves “nurse anesthesiologist” in turn the board of medicine has taken it to the state Supreme Court . The brief asks the State of New Hampshire Supreme Court to uphold a New Hampshire Board of Medicine decision that stops individuals from identifying themselves as anesthesiologists if they aren’t licensed as such. There is a long history of territorial “rivalry” between CRNAs and anesthesiologists and this is just another example. But just like you were confused just imagine how the patient would feel ..
LOVE YOU AND THE CHANNEL- brush the Haters off and keep it moving Doc!
If I were a DNP prepared CRNA I would call myself “Dr.” but I totally understand your reasoning here! There was a CRNA at my hospital that introduced herself “hi I’m Dr. (xyz) and I’m a Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist, I’ll be handling your anesthesia and pain control today.” Personally I think that’s perfect, but everyone is different ☺️
That is a great way to do it!
Well you just proved the point because you can’t be a nurse and a doctor at the same time in people who are not in healthcare. Actually even people in healthcare who are not well versed would be confused too
What does a crna do at the hospital while not in surgery? Are they helping other nurses on the floor. I would love to be a crna one day and help the other nurses on the floor while not performing.
Thank you, Rihanna!! For being a voice for ALL nursing staff, from nursing assistants, to RNs, up to higher level nursing practice. Never let anyone dim your shine! You’re amazing and you have worked so incredibly hard for this, you deserve it!! ♥️ All the best!
Thank you Veronica 💜
As a patient it clarifys things when a nurse anesthist introduces her/ him self as that & a Anesthiologist introduces themselves as such. After a terrible motorcycle accident my spleen was ruptured & the pain was like fire in my perineum. I screamed out someone get over here & put me under! Title or that title just someone that was quaified to get me under for my laprascopy. Sorry for the spelling. Both do wonderful work & Anesthesiologist can't be every where all the time.
I think it’s important to educate patients. I’ve never had a patient be confused by my professional doctoral title-why: because I always let them know I am the nurse anesthesiologist. The same way the general public have had dentist, chiropractors, and professors which they call doctor; they will learn that their are clinical nurse whom are also doctors.
I think that whatever you want to do is your business and, like you said, you have the same privileges and treat patients the same no matter the title. However, i also support someone that wants to show what they worked so hard to get (and all the $ spent). Education can be done fast as well: hello, Im Dr Blank and I will be with you throughout the entire procedure being in charge of anesthesia (or whatever line you would say). A patient is then not confused since you mentioned you are the Dr in charge of anesthesia. One can assume the surgeon also said that he/she is the dr in charge of the surgical part. But whatever you wanna do shouldnt be a problem with anyone, you are still fully respected regardless of what you call yourself. Thank you for this video ❤️❤️❤️
I totally agree! Some people might introduce themselves differently than me and I support them as well!
Hi Rihanna firstly I want to start off by saying your videos are really good and I love them.
My question was that in the us does a doctor make more than crna?
I don’t mind I’m just curious too know because both jobs are amazing
I completely agree with you about trying not to confuse the patient. My end goal is to be a nurse anesthetist but right now I work in the hospital delivering patients their meals and people think that I’m their nurse when they’re loaded up on meds or when they’re older. And it should be all about patient care and making the patient feel comfortable. Maybe once the mass public understands the differences in how many Different types of Doctors there is maybe then you can show off that Doctor tittle! 💞
So proud of you!!! :) inspiring!
Thanks!
Very well explained..🥰
Glad you thought so!
Exactly how I feel!
No doubt you should be proud of your doctorate degree. I think you are right in the way you introduce yourself, for the same reasons you explained. I understand the other views as well.
You are so humble and compassionate !!! Shame on those people who are talking bad about you without even knowing your stance about this. If I ever become your patient or a CRNAs patient I will definitely call them Dr. so and so :) hopefully I don’t though 🤣😭
I hope you don't either 😂 but thank you so much!
How long would it take to work in the CRNA . Also what’s the best school or program to become a CRNA
Do CRNAs need to keep up with their RN license?
Yes and their APRN license.
I never knew the actual definition! Really cool video! People really need to quit with the bad comments!! Didn’t y’all families teach you all that if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all!! Much love to you Rhianna!! Kristin, Oklahoma. 🙃🙃🙃
Thanks Kristin! ❤
Thankyou so much for the clear explanation! I have a question about ICU experience for CRNA school. Is PICU or pediatric cardiac ICU experience acceptable for CRNA school? Love your positive attitude!
9 yrs after your BSN in nursing???
no, including BSN
What CRNA school did u attend?
Marshall
Hi, I’ve been thinking about going into CRNA. What do you think the hardest class is once you’re in crna school? Also, is the physics really hard? Love your videos btw
Rhianna do you think 37 is to old to go back to school for nursing degree?
definitely not!
No!
You did the work and eared the degree embrace it ! When I get my doctorate address me as such ..who cares about confusion that’s why you ask questions
I mean hey I may not make that much now but $60,000 a year after taxes is not bad at all for my certificate and certification I earned in 10 months! So time's that by what 8 years to become a CRNA along with student loan debt bc I wouldn't have 100% of the funds to cover all of that schooling. Not bad for a Tech position until I become a SFA/SA! Great video 👍!!!
What position is it?
Sterile Processing Tech and as a traveler you can make an easy $100,000 if you work the year without a break
I agree with you like always. You're great!
Thanks ♡
I feel as if those who have a huge issue with this are the CRNAs with ego problems. Why not just be happy you make great money and have a kick ass job? What does title matter that does nothing more than inflate ego and confuse patients? I like your explanation that you went to school to be a nurse anesthetist and that you take pride as introducing yourself as such. I will be applying to crna school within the next year and I believe that I’ll adopt that mindset as well assuming everything goes as planned. Good video!
Good luck applying!
You had me in the first half, but ultimately great video! Thank you for not introducing yourself as doctor. It is absolutely unacceptable for any non-physician care provider to intentionally mislead a patient about the nature of their educational history and level of training by referring to themselves as doctor within a healthcare setting; as you explained, regardless of what the dictionary says, patients have their own widely-held and well-known definition of the word “doctor,” which puts the onus on the care provider to communicate with full honesty and transparency. A PhD archaeologist would be laughed (or escorted..) out of the hospital if they walked into an exam room and introduced themselves as doctor, yet somehow some think these same rules shouldn’t apply to nurses! You clearly have a very thoughtful perspective, and a well-deserved pride in the important title that you have earned. You’ve done a great service to healthcare teams and patients alike by taking this stance.
I want to add that I don't disagree with doctorate prepared providers who introduce themselves as such but I chose not to for the patient's sake and confusion associated with the title.
I totally relate to everything in this video..not on a medical side but on an academic side..After I finish my bachelors and then my masters..I look to get my doctoral degree for Doctor of Education..When speaking to colleagues and such I would use the Dr but when talking to children I wont..I would still use Mr just because I dont want elementary schoolers to associate me with thier doctor and what happens when you go to the doctor
I agree and would do the same!
update on B!!
She's the best little baby in the whole wide world!
She is perfect! I'll do a vlog soon 💜
@@TheSchoellerFamily i miss her
@@JonSchoeller a bundle of joy
Wow someone who is sane in all this madness
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I APPRECIATE THAT YOU CARE FOR THE PATIENTS MIND SET
My bf is graduating from CRNA school next year, what do you think would be a great gift to get him that he can use at work? TIA!
heyzelj a vein finder those 14 gauge needles yikes.
Love the channel, I also wished you addressed the word anesthesiologist. Nurse anesthesiologist is a common term that is being used and like 'doctor,' physicians think they own these words. Some physician anesthesiologists get extremely triggered when a nurse anesthetist introduces him/herself at the nurse anesthesiologist. I personally like introducing myself as a CRNA, but anesthetist is a difficult word to pronounce so I feel like the term nurse anesthesiologist is the best of both worlds (easy to pronounce and doesn't necessarily confuse the patient).
I'm glad you brought that up. I'll talk about it at some point and so many people can't say anesthetist! What I find interesting is in other countries they don't use the term anesthesiologist for MDAs, they use anesthetist. I need to read more about the history of the term here.
I’m going towards my doctorate in nursing and agree that it is too confusing to call yourself doctor in a medical setting and not worth the hassle of constantly explaining it.
Good luck!
I can’t wait to be a CRNA in the future like you
Keep making videos 🙌🏻🙌🏻
I think our priority in the clinical setting should be the patients and medicine is very complicated for the lay person. Not using the doctor title takes nothing away from your achievements as an NP, CRNA, pharmacist, or OT. You wouldn't want a phD recipient parading around a hospital as a 'doctor' and being mistaking as a physician. I view DNPs the same way, you have a academic achievement but you are not licensed as a medical doctor.
Ehh. Educational wise it’s very different a nurse practitioner gets a bachelor in nursing then maybe an additional 3 years to learn to more medicine aspect similar in my opinion to a physician assistant. A physician spends their 4 years extensively learning medicine not the nursing aspect and then another 4-8 years in residency mastering their specific field of medicine. I don’t think a np should be viewed as an unlicensed physician lol
REDD-IVEEE NP are licensed as NPs, they are not unlicensed. And while many have masters degrees, some NPs have a doctorate in nursing practice and their title is technically doctor. It would not be wrong for them to call themselves "Dr. Smith, DNP" they still have a doctorate. My point is that in the clinical setting this confuses patients, they should definitely use their title in academia.
Livia Martin I was repeating what you said in your last sentence you view them as having an academic achievement just not licensed as a medical doctor. It seemed as if you were saying you see them the same as a physician just not licensed.
Patients are always #1!
Another great video. You and so many others have inspired me to make my own YT channel. I am a 3rd year nursing student and my first video drops next week. I hope I can help people with my experiences just as you do.
Future BSN, RN
Future CRNA
David Torres Jr you should link your video to this comment when you drop it. I will definitely support. That’s of course only if you want to
Aaliyah Cavitt I will make sure to do that, thank you so much!
That's awesome! Definitely share!
Well said 👏
Amen!
I think it’s your choice! If you introduced as either I would be good because you worked for that title
I agree!
Rhianna have you launched this channel as a business?
I think her cheek bones are moving
What does that mean? 😂
Well said. However, I don't believe all physicians are doctors. For example, outside of the US, physicians earn a Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery (MBBS) and maybe called Sir, Dr., or Mr. [Last name.] But yes, in the US, physicians are doctors of medicine (MD/DO).
I'm not familiar with the paths outside the US.