Sadly I’m almost 100% sure that the middle earth shadow series is not getting revived with a third title, and both games were some of my favourite games of all time
Interesting how they bill this as "Alpha Gameplay" while it has features that they certainly never actually intended to put in the full release, like the incredible specificity of the dialogue and the very large amount of cinematic animation during gameplay.
@FatSkeleton No. No, that is not what happened at all. I'm sorry, but that kind of naivete cannot go uncorrected. They never intended to put this in the game. It was purely edited content meant to to get you to buy the game. Just like how they never intended to remove microtransactions and only did so once they were no longer profitable to squeeze out the last available sales.
I mean, there isn’t that much missing. Most of the trailer-only parts are just cinematics meant to better highlight Nemesis mechanics, like cheating death and saviors. A lot of it is still there, just not as emphasized in actual gameplay. Except for the Overlord stuff, that got axed I guess.
@@LucifronzI feel like that last bit is purely speculation and rumors. Whether or not they intended to put it into the game, I wish people realized that or wasn't going to be like this 100%. That's hilarious. Unless you haven't played the game, you should know how sophisticated the Nemesis System is. Game Maker's Toolkit did a good video covering this and why there isn't a system like this going around anymore; and it covers more than what can be filled into a comment or reply. Just imagine being the developer or one of the actors in this game, coding and modeling and animating sections of the game or going over lines and lines and lines of dialogue for months on end, just to get it as close to the trailer as it could be. With my experience in coding, I have a high respect for devs for what they do. As for the lootboxes: Don't forget the backlash. I'd say that could've been a contributing factor. Weren't games like Star War BF2 EA boycotted and constantly on sale (last I heard) because of such practices? Weren't games that had lootboxes also banned in countries like Belgium? Didn't EA go to court and argued that lootboxes weren't bad? I'm pretty sure that all happened. I'm also sure that no one would buy one of these lootboxes in Shadow of War because of the *numerous* amount of Captains, War-chiefs, and Overlords, don't forget the Vendetta missions and Online Raids. With this in mind, would the devs keep the lootboxes?
@@Lucifronz lmao I would do that too if I was them, who doesn't like microtransactions that could get me money? What? You think I would just give you the game for your money and then not give you the option to give me more money and then I give you more ingame assets? Obviously I would give you that, and if nobody no longer buys it, im obviously gonna remove it so the people who complains for no absolute reason when they can just avoid the microtransaction, and then get more money from them too, its just so ridiculous how this yall outrage over this stuff, its a company that needs money, not a goddamn lemonade stand that sells for cheap, want more games? contribute, you don't want to contribute? Ignore the goddamn microtransactions.
Yeah, you can clearly see the edited and scripted parts. Game's still great, though, but I refused to pay for it until they finally removed those fucking microtransactions. I was incredibly excited for it, too. Shadow of Mordor was a sleeper hit I wasn't expecting to fall in love with so hard. Speaking of Middle-earth games and bullshit, they need to patch Shadow of Mordor on PC. The Bright Lord DLC doesn't work for a ton of people and hasn't since 2017. That's unacceptable.
Personally I think I would like it if all of the spies for the fort stood on the speech balcony with each of them kinda of chiming in with Talion finishing the speech off. (If there are no spies then it could any Orc Captains that participated in the Assault and lived). I know that the speech would be long but yet again people can always skip it if they want. But I do agree with you that If I had the pick between Talion (and/or Celebrimbor) giving the speech or an Orc captain doing it, I think that having the promoted Orc give the speech would be better because it would add some variety to the game. Like for example if the Orc is an Assassin or part of the Dark Tribe he can say that we won the siege due to the deceit and deception of the spies planted within the fort or if the Orc is a Commander, Tank, Berserker, or part of the Warmonger Tribe they can say that they won due to their strength, ferocity, (and/or tactics) and more given the other tribes and classes of Orc. Maybe even Talion/Celebrimbor can chime in at the end to wrap everything up because at the same time it doesn't feel entirely right for the person who leads the army to not give/be a part of the empowering victory speech
i love how chaotic this game can be you kill a orc and then literally minutes later there back ready to fight you and they can just keep forcing them self back to life just out of hatred for the ranger its insane how many combinations there are i had this 1 guy who refused to die and constantly kept killing me but before he killed me he just humiliated me and walked off
7:28 of all the little things to add, this is one thing I would’ve enjoyed - him showing actual hints of gratitude towards his orcish lackeys, even if fake or small. Helps him feel more human.
Yeah, it's the main thing I was looking forward to doing back when this first aired. Forging bonds with my army. Hopefully the Wonder Woman game, if it ever comes out, actually leans into that. She's all compassion, so she's not going to hate an enemy as much as Talion hates his Orcs. Hopefully we can actually forge positive relationships as her with out followers in that game. Assuming we even have followers anyway.
Fun facts: Necromancer is never really a class just a trait Armored Caragor is never in the game, caragors with armor have the exact same amount of health as wild caragors. Battering Ram is also never in the game, each orc does the same amount of damage to walls except if they have great strength. Also Overlords stand out on a balcony.
Yeah that angered me when i bought the game because of this trailer (i was 12 at the time and got it on special) and when i found out mostly all of the stuff in the trailer was not in the game i was so disappointed i badly wanted an olog that had the battering traite also one other thing you did not mention uruks/ologs armour does not change when they become overlord or warchief like in the trailer other then bruz something that was in shadow of mordor if you made an orc warchief they would get extra armour
Funny thing I noticed there are four warchiefs but only three appear in the trailer Thrak (who explains how followers can turn) Tugog (who helps understand the fear you spread to the uruks or something) and Mozu (who explains how you can make followers your spys) then there’s Nazu the knife who never appears in the whole trailer unless I’m missing something
Tugog appeared to show us that even allied uruks can die, he also showed us how it is to have the ,,terrified'' status and also showed us how it is to recruit uruks into your army
Honestly, the thing that disapplinted was the fact that picking an Overlord is basically *windowdressing* , contrary to what they imply here. Outside of changing the look of the Fortress and providing *tiny* advantages during sieges based on which clan the Orc belongs to, it really has no effect on the game. No special upgrades, no unique missions cause by the Overlord's style of rule, no rebellions, there isn't even any betrayal or dialogue cause by pickong one Orc over another for the job. Hell, after you die defending a fortress, you instantly lose and the Overlord is captured regardless of how powerfull he is or how succesfully you were defending up until that point. And at no point during a defense does the Overlord actually come out and fight. So picking a strong Overlord is literally *less than useless* when you could just have them be your bodyguard or defend a point as a Warchief or Captain.
the only reason to have a powerful overlord is to make players have a hard time to conquer your fortress (as the hardest part of a siege is the overlord, IF done right)
Wrong Completely and utterly wrong There are many things that change depending on the overlord's personality and even tribes Understandably, Outlaw tribes will rebel the most and Warmongers the least
@@TheMessiahOfThe99PercentWrong. Personality does not matter at all for the Overlord. All that matters is tribe. You listed two examples, that is NOT many. There isn't too much of a difference between overlords except for atmosphere, banners, special "buildings" at forts and outposts, sometimes a difference in grunts (more Slaves for Machine, Treasure for Marauder, Banners for Outlaw), and then MAYBE some captain attitude differences.
It's a scripted gameplay trailer. To put it bluntly, they lied. The "Alpha" never existed. Welcome to the modern gaming industry. Sorry, it's a lesson we all have to learn.
@@idontknow164 you cant tell me that this game is surely one of the best games still. Who cared they lied. They promised a good game, they delivered jt
Good morning, 47. Your destination is Mordor, a blighted landscape of mythical creatures and hostile inhabitants, all led by a mysterious Sauron, their Dark Lord. Initially thought to be a fictional creation of the late author Tolkien, the region was suddenly seen resurfacing near the Middle East and North Africa, as in a modern-day Atlantis. After a series of coastal raids and high-profile attacks in the surrounding continents and the Mediterranean, a naval blockade has been formed to reduce further strikes. Our client, a defense contractor in the EU, has authorized the complete destruction of Mordor and its hostile inhabitants, and to do that, the client wants to start at the heart of the lands itself: the fortresses, the overlords and their war chiefs. To that end, you're to eliminate *Thrak Storm-Bringer.* A sadistic warmonger and torturer, who delights in cursing the lands with his dark gifts. This man doesn't care about spilling the blood of his enemies, the innocents or his own, all he cares about is spilling blood. In fact, there was a time when he raged against Mordor itself, before his desire for power caused him to betray his blood brothers. He's currently holding inside the Seregost fortress, enjoying his station of power, while his opposition outside his fortress schemes night and day to remove the despotic overlord, all led by a mysterious _Tark._ Tension is high, and so is security - on the streets and in the fortress, guards and lookouts are on high alert, looking for any sign of resistance to squash it with extreme prejudice. This is a powder keg of a situation, 47. Mordor itself was never known to be a bastion of stability and we are looking at yet another military coup waiting to happen, blowing this keg exponentially and potentially spreading outside Mordor. I trust you'll handle this discretely, but still, be careful. I will leave you to prepare.
They REALLY need a new entry to this series. Modern Hardware would make Shadow Of War seem small and pathetic. I don't mean graphically either, new Uruks, more voices, events, etc. I REALLY hope they're quietly working on one.
@@cinnamonflavord If it were poorly optimised. Which most devs these days do on purpose. (Forces sales for better GPU and Storage space. Gaming is now rarely about passion and love but money. Prime example being comparing Titanfall 2 to Apex Legends.)
@@sircatsmeow2886 why would game devs care about making people buy better hardware? If anything they would want their games to be less demanding on systems so more people can buy and play it. They don't optimize their games because that takes more time and money than just shipping a technically feature complete game to meet deadlines
because it’s a gameplay trailer so it means there not actually gonna have this all in the game they make it look really cool so more people would play it
I was VERY disappointed when you can only read the lore of certain landmarks. I thought those would be open regions as well along with the fort regions. Playing the first game, the map feels more expansive and wide, you can really enjoy riding a caragor onthe first game. Those same maps from the first game are their in Shadow of War, but you can only read about them. Bummer.
@@polishperson0104 the shadow wars last decades before Talion finally succumbs. A third entry could easily be made between those years, or hell, they could make a game about Talions years as a Nazgul. The Shadow games already break much of the lore, some more of it won't make people mad
They make the preset builds first and design the rest of the game around that after. The preset builds are usually very small areas that show what that part of the game could look like But in reality it may be too intensive to actually put into a full game. So they downgrade and optimize
It's an early prototype that shows what they want the game to be, polished up to a standard that is ready to show, but which might not be practical to make a full game like it.
For those taking my question seriously, lemme clarify. I know why they make the trailers so awesome - to sell the game. I just feel incredibly mislead or even lied to when trailers way over-hype the game to make sales, when the actual game doesn't even come close to living up to the greatness trailers displayed. Conversations with orcs have way less flair to them, curse is very different from the final game, the choice of who to make overlord is purely cosmetic and serves no gameplay purpose, and it was a missed opportunity to show more personality of the orcs by making YOU give the speech at the end as opposed to them. You may argue that it's supposed to be cinematic exclusively for the trailer, but it's called a GAMEPLAY trailer, I wanna see some gameplay that's actually true to what we experience in the final game, not some glorified version of it we'll never get to play, it's just a total tease.
@@Bshmjdsdyk yup, the trailer heavily implies the curse was supposed to be a permanent effect tied to a specific orc, instead of a timed elemental effect
You know, when I first clicked on this, I saw the top comment and thought “no way, Shadow of War is one of my favourite games, no shot this’ll make it look like a downgrade”, but I’ve been proven wrong. This was the most awesome trailer I’ve ever seen, I hope the threequel, should it ever come out, is even half as good as this.
My nemesis was Gubu Death-Bone. I cut his arm off at least 3 times and after I killed him the first time, he came back another 7 times after that. What a legend
Despite the game being my favorite game of all time I have to agree. They skimped out on a lot of unique content last minute. They even got rid of the spare an orc’s life thing😭
@@Bolaway I don’t think they’re gonna make updates anymore. Hopefully if or when they make another game with the modern consoles and pc hardware they can push the limits of the combat and mechanics
Looking at this now, it's blatantly obvious which parts, of many, are scripted and seemingly highly edited moments that you cannot get in your game. I would love to look past that, as the game we got, after the many updates and removal of microtransactions and other bullshit design decisions (mainly the Shadow Wars segment being unreasonably long and tiresome), is fucking fantastic... ...but I'm not going to look past it, because lying is lying, Warner.
I mean, it's only the little cinematic cutscenes that are pure script. Like, you can actually see the Stormbringer guy have a laggy animation when he sheaths his sword to do some attack, but cancels the animation immediately and teleports his weapon back
Shadow of War is a great game. But this trailer fucking sucks. I realize that if they were to actually try to make the final game like this, with the extremely cinematic gameplay and highly specific dialogue from the captains, then they'd probably be spending a whole decade on just the dialogue alone. But for Sauron's sake, don't taunt us with awesome gameplay potential that will never be realized.
Yk what, forget about most mechanics mentioned in this. The 3 things I wish that was in the final cut are the war chiefs getting their own badass intro’s, the chosen overlord giving the victory speech, and the necromancer being an actual class
1. We all know Az Laar would have been the perfect choice for Overlord had he survived. 2. Would love another Middle-Earth game with the Nemesis System.
its unused in the actaul game is scrapped it would have been pretty cool and like that most of things in this trailer are unused but it may just be me but i would perfer the alpha over actual game
Makes the current game look less cool, that stormbringer kill the first time is crazy, that hammer being bashed against his skull is just so cool, then Spartan kicking him off the thing? Awesome
Osgiliath had a red outline, which makes me believe at one point it could have been thought as a playable region, I have no basis for this but since Ered Glamhoth appears in the map too, we visited it at the end of SoM and Minas Morgul has a semi functional commander system it feels like at least three regions were cut from the final version. It also makes sense when you think on how much each tribe was marketed as unique but in the actual game we don't have enough fortresses to have each tribe at least once as warchiefs
I mean... only if you're fine with certain snippets of dialogue being edited and re-used. Though with AI voicework it's more possible than ever to create new dialogue, but it'd be so much freaking work. It's not just making the dialogue, which won't sound right because there's no personality in AI-generated voices, it's making the situations themselves, and then programming the game to work with those... ...no, not with Denuvo still in the game. Though I think there's a GOG release without it. It complicates things, though, and wouldn't be possible with Steam versions without at least a crack. Yeah, sorry, no one would touch this with a ten foot pole.
@@crispycream6503 Eh, so long as it wasn't EVERY single time you got cursed. Interruptions during combat can get on ones nerves, kinda like how a captain dies they HAVE to zoom in and be all cinematic... which can lead to a death.
I seriously don’t understand why people shit on this game, do you have any idea what work went into making it? the game offers a completely unique and incredible experience so quit being over critical and be grateful
Honestly I’m kinda glad it isn’t as cutsceney and edited. Would have gotten old fast. Although if it did this in the first raid on a fortress you do then it would make more sense.
maybe they just replaced it with the name tremor good tip any olog you have that has tremor make sure they allways attack the gates and walls they do more dammage
i played this game countless of times, from Xbox to my new Gaming PC, but dammnn this game looked and feel much better in this trailer than the actual game, the orcs looked so much better aswell, i wonder why they removed so much content its a dammn shame, my guess its the consoles were too weak, because the consoles had very weak cpu at this point.
they didnt remove it. its just edited cinematic and build they only made for trailer. it was never added to any build they planned to release. just to sell more copies. I played it too the game was a shadow of this. not war
Dont get me wrong i dont understand a thing about coding and game designs but i dont think this wouodve been hard to make in game, if this was every siege i would constantly lose my fortresses just for the excitement, this all looks awesome. Its kinda sad how much of this looks cool but isnt the same in-game.
1 third game set in the Fourth age in Mordor after sauron defeat or in Rhûn beyond the map of middle earth fighting the remaining orcs easterlings that followed Sauron As celebrimbor trying to get your ring back from Eltariel Allying with the elves men dwarves of the East against the worshippers Servants of Sauron morgoth 2 remake shadow of Mordor
No they took stuff out that woulf of gotten in the way of gameplay like cheating death after 2 minutes and the very specific voice lunes that would take too long to voice act for
@@bingus1895it is definitely an upgrade to shadow of Mordor undoubtedly. But even looking back on this trailer there is a lot of promises here that just never got made or were just flat out lies, unique follower and warlord missions? Pffft I wish, it is a good AAA game which can’t be said for most nowadays but can’t take away from the lies they told
Legend has it im still legit dying for a threequel which will be a miracle at this point
Hopefully, after the Wonder woman game.
@@mr.mushroom4917 cheers 🥂 to that
So you want to play as that elf bi!$# named eltariel who betrayed talion?
Still waiting as well
Sadly I’m almost 100% sure that the middle earth shadow series is not getting revived with a third title, and both games were some of my favourite games of all time
Fun Fact: Ragdug isn't a name that can appear in either the first game or the second. It only exists in this trailer.
bro the trailer has 6 years why do you comment it after so much time lol
@@PwLe Fun Fact: There's only one comment on this video from 6 years ago.
I thought I was the one reviewing this
cool
I have ragdug
Interesting how they bill this as "Alpha Gameplay" while it has features that they certainly never actually intended to put in the full release, like the incredible specificity of the dialogue and the very large amount of cinematic animation during gameplay.
@FatSkeleton No. No, that is not what happened at all. I'm sorry, but that kind of naivete cannot go uncorrected.
They never intended to put this in the game. It was purely edited content meant to to get you to buy the game. Just like how they never intended to remove microtransactions and only did so once they were no longer profitable to squeeze out the last available sales.
I mean, there isn’t that much missing. Most of the trailer-only parts are just cinematics meant to better highlight Nemesis mechanics, like cheating death and saviors. A lot of it is still there, just not as emphasized in actual gameplay. Except for the Overlord stuff, that got axed I guess.
@@LucifronzI feel like that last bit is purely speculation and rumors.
Whether or not they intended to put it into the game, I wish people realized that or wasn't going to be like this 100%. That's hilarious. Unless you haven't played the game, you should know how sophisticated the Nemesis System is. Game Maker's Toolkit did a good video covering this and why there isn't a system like this going around anymore; and it covers more than what can be filled into a comment or reply.
Just imagine being the developer or one of the actors in this game, coding and modeling and animating sections of the game or going over lines and lines and lines of dialogue for months on end, just to get it as close to the trailer as it could be. With my experience in coding, I have a high respect for devs for what they do.
As for the lootboxes: Don't forget the backlash. I'd say that could've been a contributing factor. Weren't games like Star War BF2 EA boycotted and constantly on sale (last I heard) because of such practices? Weren't games that had lootboxes also banned in countries like Belgium? Didn't EA go to court and argued that lootboxes weren't bad? I'm pretty sure that all happened. I'm also sure that no one would buy one of these lootboxes in Shadow of War because of the *numerous* amount of Captains, War-chiefs, and Overlords, don't forget the Vendetta missions and Online Raids. With this in mind, would the devs keep the lootboxes?
@@theallsight7076 YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS THANK YOU. FINALLY SOME FUCKING SENSE.
@@Lucifronz lmao I would do that too if I was them, who doesn't like microtransactions that could get me money? What? You think I would just give you the game for your money and then not give you the option to give me more money and then I give you more ingame assets? Obviously I would give you that, and if nobody no longer buys it, im obviously gonna remove it so the people who complains for no absolute reason when they can just avoid the microtransaction, and then get more money from them too, its just so ridiculous how this yall outrage over this stuff, its a company that needs money, not a goddamn lemonade stand that sells for cheap, want more games? contribute, you don't want to contribute? Ignore the goddamn microtransactions.
Rewatching this now right after playing through the game saying over and over, "This shit can't happen in the game."
If only bro, the game woulda been a masterpiece
Yeah, you can clearly see the edited and scripted parts. Game's still great, though, but I refused to pay for it until they finally removed those fucking microtransactions.
I was incredibly excited for it, too. Shadow of Mordor was a sleeper hit I wasn't expecting to fall in love with so hard.
Speaking of Middle-earth games and bullshit, they need to patch Shadow of Mordor on PC. The Bright Lord DLC doesn't work for a ton of people and hasn't since 2017. That's unacceptable.
@@Lucifronz Pretty sure they already removed the microtransactions for the game tho
@@flimmyflams1019”refused” is past tense.
@@Lucifronz i'm pretty sure those microtransactions did absolutely nothing to your gameplay 💀
Anyone else feel sad for the Olog 😢 he seems like he was such a loyal follower
R.I.P Az-Laar
I feel bad for the orc he killed in the beginning of the raid
@@Bhajaa2004the orc knew what he was getting into by not siding with the bright lord
@@Bhajaa2004😂
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I would love to have orcs to do the speeches instead of the angry Celebrimbor, or the depressed Dark Talion.
Personally I think I would like it if all of the spies for the fort stood on the speech balcony with each of them kinda of chiming in with Talion finishing the speech off. (If there are no spies then it could any Orc Captains that participated in the Assault and lived). I know that the speech would be long but yet again people can always skip it if they want.
But I do agree with you that If I had the pick between Talion (and/or Celebrimbor) giving the speech or an Orc captain doing it, I think that having the promoted Orc give the speech would be better because it would add some variety to the game. Like for example if the Orc is an Assassin or part of the Dark Tribe he can say that we won the siege due to the deceit and deception of the spies planted within the fort or if the Orc is a Commander, Tank, Berserker, or part of the Warmonger Tribe they can say that they won due to their strength, ferocity, (and/or tactics) and more given the other tribes and classes of Orc. Maybe even Talion/Celebrimbor can chime in at the end to wrap everything up because at the same time it doesn't feel entirely right for the person who leads the army to not give/be a part of the empowering victory speech
i love how chaotic this game can be you kill a orc and then literally minutes later there back ready to fight you and they can just keep forcing them self back to life just out of hatred for the ranger its insane how many combinations there are i had this 1 guy who refused to die and constantly kept killing me but before he killed me he just humiliated me and walked off
7:28 of all the little things to add, this is one thing I would’ve enjoyed - him showing actual hints of gratitude towards his orcish lackeys, even if fake or small. Helps him feel more human.
Yeah, it's the main thing I was looking forward to doing back when this first aired. Forging bonds with my army. Hopefully the Wonder Woman game, if it ever comes out, actually leans into that. She's all compassion, so she's not going to hate an enemy as much as Talion hates his Orcs. Hopefully we can actually forge positive relationships as her with out followers in that game. Assuming we even have followers anyway.
A necromancer is never truly dead
he simply returns precisely when he means to.
He's just waiting for someone to answer his call
Fire
Fun facts:
Necromancer is never really a class just a trait
Armored Caragor is never in the game, caragors with armor have the exact same amount of health as wild caragors.
Battering Ram is also never in the game, each orc does the same amount of damage to walls except if they have great strength.
Also Overlords stand out on a balcony.
what about great tremor?
Actually, battering ram IS in the game. Its just called Tremor and it has uses outside of sieges. Or at least, it does NOW from what I can tell.
Yeah that angered me when i bought the game because of this trailer (i was 12 at the time and got it on special) and when i found out mostly all of the stuff in the trailer was not in the game i was so disappointed i badly wanted an olog that had the battering traite also one other thing you did not mention uruks/ologs armour does not change when they become overlord or warchief like in the trailer other then bruz something that was in shadow of mordor if you made an orc warchief they would get extra armour
I love how there are still recent comments 6 years later
Err um actually 7 years
@johnathanderosa7769 haha... what a funny joke.
Funny thing I noticed there are four warchiefs but only three appear in the trailer Thrak (who explains how followers can turn) Tugog (who helps understand the fear you spread to the uruks or something) and Mozu (who explains how you can make followers your spys) then there’s Nazu the knife who never appears in the whole trailer unless I’m missing something
Tugog appeared to show us that even allied uruks can die, he also showed us how it is to have the ,,terrified'' status and also showed us how it is to recruit uruks into your army
@@ColderPls yeah that makes sense
Honestly, the thing that disapplinted was the fact that picking an Overlord is basically *windowdressing* , contrary to what they imply here.
Outside of changing the look of the Fortress and providing *tiny* advantages during sieges based on which clan the Orc belongs to, it really has no effect on the game. No special upgrades, no unique missions cause by the Overlord's style of rule, no rebellions, there isn't even any betrayal or dialogue cause by pickong one Orc over another for the job.
Hell, after you die defending a fortress, you instantly lose and the Overlord is captured regardless of how powerfull he is or how succesfully you were defending up until that point.
And at no point during a defense does the Overlord actually come out and fight.
So picking a strong Overlord is literally *less than useless* when you could just have them be your bodyguard or defend a point as a Warchief or Captain.
He only comes out and fights if you lose every point right up until the last one. Besides that you're right.
I once had an unfair death by a graug, threw a rock at me while I was distracted fighting one of my followers who betrayed me.
the only reason to have a powerful overlord is to make players have a hard time to conquer your fortress (as the hardest part of a siege is the overlord, IF done right)
Wrong
Completely and utterly wrong
There are many things that change depending on the overlord's personality and even tribes
Understandably, Outlaw tribes will rebel the most and Warmongers the least
@@TheMessiahOfThe99PercentWrong.
Personality does not matter at all for the Overlord. All that matters is tribe.
You listed two examples, that is NOT many.
There isn't too much of a difference between overlords except for atmosphere, banners, special "buildings" at forts and outposts, sometimes a difference in grunts (more Slaves for Machine, Treasure for Marauder, Banners for Outlaw), and then MAYBE some captain attitude differences.
This looks and feels better than the final game. Way more immersive and natural.
Yes, but its heavily edited and animated
It would've taken far too long and cost far too much if they made the whole game like this
@@humanbean9370 nah, they have tons of money. Its just lazy company
i would pay for this game again if it meant i get to play the alpha version
Imagine if it was Pc ps5 and series x only :O
It's a scripted gameplay trailer. To put it bluntly, they lied. The "Alpha" never existed. Welcome to the modern gaming industry. Sorry, it's a lesson we all have to learn.
@@idontknow164 but never learn...😂
@@idontknow164 you sound so dumb. The alpha is where you try broader gameplay systems and see what works and doesn’t
@@idontknow164 you cant tell me that this game is surely one of the best games still. Who cared they lied. They promised a good game, they delivered jt
Good morning, 47.
Your destination is Mordor, a blighted landscape of mythical creatures and hostile inhabitants, all led by a mysterious Sauron, their Dark Lord. Initially thought to be a fictional creation of the late author Tolkien, the region was suddenly seen resurfacing near the Middle East and North Africa, as in a modern-day Atlantis. After a series of coastal raids and high-profile attacks in the surrounding continents and the Mediterranean, a naval blockade has been formed to reduce further strikes.
Our client, a defense contractor in the EU, has authorized the complete destruction of Mordor and its hostile inhabitants, and to do that, the client wants to start at the heart of the lands itself: the fortresses, the overlords and their war chiefs.
To that end, you're to eliminate *Thrak Storm-Bringer.* A sadistic warmonger and torturer, who delights in cursing the lands with his dark gifts. This man doesn't care about spilling the blood of his enemies, the innocents or his own, all he cares about is spilling blood. In fact, there was a time when he raged against Mordor itself, before his desire for power caused him to betray his blood brothers.
He's currently holding inside the Seregost fortress, enjoying his station of power, while his opposition outside his fortress schemes night and day to remove the despotic overlord, all led by a mysterious _Tark._ Tension is high, and so is security - on the streets and in the fortress, guards and lookouts are on high alert, looking for any sign of resistance to squash it with extreme prejudice.
This is a powder keg of a situation, 47. Mordor itself was never known to be a bastion of stability and we are looking at yet another military coup waiting to happen, blowing this keg exponentially and potentially spreading outside Mordor. I trust you'll handle this discretely, but still, be careful.
I will leave you to prepare.
They REALLY need a new entry to this series. Modern Hardware would make Shadow Of War seem small and pathetic.
I don't mean graphically either, new Uruks, more voices, events, etc.
I REALLY hope they're quietly working on one.
They're working on a wonder woman game with the same concept more or less
If it were any bigger than this it would be 300 GB lmao
@@cinnamonflavord If it were poorly optimised.
Which most devs these days do on purpose. (Forces sales for better GPU and Storage space. Gaming is now rarely about passion and love but money.
Prime example being comparing Titanfall 2 to Apex Legends.)
@@sircatsmeow2886 why would game devs care about making people buy better hardware? If anything they would want their games to be less demanding on systems so more people can buy and play it. They don't optimize their games because that takes more time and money than just shipping a technically feature complete game to meet deadlines
@@sircatsmeow2886 dumbest comment ive read in a while
😢 why does this look so much better than the final version of the game
Yeah it much better
because it’s a gameplay trailer so it means there not actually gonna have this all in the game they make it look really cool so more people would play it
@@morefire5gum604final is still better though
@@Rayyan410bttrue
Its heavily edited and animated to look good
Up till today .. this game is still unmatchable
Part 1 is better
@@VITAS874 Both are amazing
@@MahmoudNader SoW is boring, even open world in SoM more alive and you allies walking around unlike in part 2.
@@VITAS874 That's your respectful opinion .. I think thousands will agree but also millions will disagree that SOW is boring 😉
@@MahmoudNader millions of flies can be wrong.
I wish ‘The Demolisher’ was a real type of olog
it is
This was a lot cooler than I thought
I was VERY disappointed when you can only read the lore of certain landmarks. I thought those would be open regions as well along with the fort regions. Playing the first game, the map feels more expansive and wide, you can really enjoy riding a caragor onthe first game. Those same maps from the first game are their in Shadow of War, but you can only read about them. Bummer.
That would've been awesome
I think the next game will be more freely
@@edkircbj643 thats if there is
@@edkircbj643 well if they are making a next game and idk if they could considering how shadow of war ends
@@polishperson0104 the shadow wars last decades before Talion finally succumbs. A third entry could easily be made between those years, or hell, they could make a game about Talions years as a Nazgul. The Shadow games already break much of the lore, some more of it won't make people mad
Replaying these games on PC. These games were so unique and addicting. I wish they would make a third one.
Why are the presentation builds always so much cooler than the final game?
Because it gets people to buy it
They make the preset builds first and design the rest of the game around that after. The preset builds are usually very small areas that show what that part of the game could look like
But in reality it may be too intensive to actually put into a full game. So they downgrade and optimize
It's an early prototype that shows what they want the game to be, polished up to a standard that is ready to show, but which might not be practical to make a full game like it.
Scale
For those taking my question seriously, lemme clarify. I know why they make the trailers so awesome - to sell the game. I just feel incredibly mislead or even lied to when trailers way over-hype the game to make sales, when the actual game doesn't even come close to living up to the greatness trailers displayed. Conversations with orcs have way less flair to them, curse is very different from the final game, the choice of who to make overlord is purely cosmetic and serves no gameplay purpose, and it was a missed opportunity to show more personality of the orcs by making YOU give the speech at the end as opposed to them. You may argue that it's supposed to be cinematic exclusively for the trailer, but it's called a GAMEPLAY trailer, I wanna see some gameplay that's actually true to what we experience in the final game, not some glorified version of it we'll never get to play, it's just a total tease.
*Middle Earth: Shadow of Wardor*
Bruh
This is apparently the only comment that is 6 years ago this man is truly a legend
Az-laar "O BURNNN I BURRNNN"
That made mw cry a little beih i feel so terrible when my prcs die bro the expression he have made me feel sad dude
2:07 i swear is this feature in the game I swear no orc gets Sauron's hand and the curse ability like that.
Stormbringers get that hand, but it isn't cursed
Cursed orcs can drain your health, wrath and I think focus. But they don’t work like in this trailer
@@Bshmjdsdyk yup, the trailer heavily implies the curse was supposed to be a permanent effect tied to a specific orc, instead of a timed elemental effect
You know, when I first clicked on this, I saw the top comment and thought “no way, Shadow of War is one of my favourite games, no shot this’ll make it look like a downgrade”, but I’ve been proven wrong. This was the most awesome trailer I’ve ever seen, I hope the threequel, should it ever come out, is even half as good as this.
out of everything, i wish they kept the orcs giving the speech instead of tallion.
After watching this again. I swear the announcers voice is Diana from the Hitman series.
Haha Good catch
Pour one out for the Demolisher. Not even an ulog should go out like that
My nemesis was Gubu Death-Bone. I cut his arm off at least 3 times and after I killed him the first time, he came back another 7 times after that. What a legend
My not come back because i run like flash and not let them spam
This makes the final game look like a downgrade
Despite the game being my favorite game of all time I have to agree. They skimped out on a lot of unique content last minute. They even got rid of the spare an orc’s life thing😭
Yeah I agree but I guess that is the point of this demo to be more scenic to attract people
Let's ask for an update. Many people are playing the game again
@@Bolaway I don’t think they’re gonna make updates anymore. Hopefully if or when they make another game with the modern consoles and pc hardware they can push the limits of the combat and mechanics
@@reggie9010 you can spare by humillaiting
Why the alpha version looks better than the actual game ._.
Scam
Looking at this now, it's blatantly obvious which parts, of many, are scripted and seemingly highly edited moments that you cannot get in your game.
I would love to look past that, as the game we got, after the many updates and removal of microtransactions and other bullshit design decisions (mainly the Shadow Wars segment being unreasonably long and tiresome), is fucking fantastic...
...but I'm not going to look past it, because lying is lying, Warner.
They should keep this
I mean, it's only the little cinematic cutscenes that are pure script.
Like, you can actually see the Stormbringer guy have a laggy animation when he sheaths his sword to do some attack, but cancels the animation immediately and teleports his weapon back
Shadow of War is a great game.
But this trailer fucking sucks.
I realize that if they were to actually try to make the final game like this, with the extremely cinematic gameplay and highly specific dialogue from the captains, then they'd probably be spending a whole decade on just the dialogue alone.
But for Sauron's sake, don't taunt us with awesome gameplay potential that will never be realized.
Need law where you can't alow to show fake trailers or its jail time for this.
@@VITAS874 PREACH 🤝
Yk what, forget about most mechanics mentioned in this. The 3 things I wish that was in the final cut are the war chiefs getting their own badass intro’s, the chosen overlord giving the victory speech, and the necromancer being an actual class
7 years ago and still a masterpiece
1. We all know Az Laar would have been the perfect choice for Overlord had he survived.
2. Would love another Middle-Earth game with the Nemesis System.
Yet again showing how gameplay trailers are so much better than the actual game
I think the actual game was better
The actual game was still good.
@@emperortime2356 Oh absolutely, 100%
@@emperortime2356 part 1 is better
I fr thought we would get osgiliath when this trailer came out 💀
"Battering ram" I never seen that fucking strenght
its unused in the actaul game is scrapped it would have been pretty cool and like that most of things in this trailer are unused but it may just be me but i would perfer the alpha over actual game
@@Iforgot___________-________75 so much potential only to be scrapped...aww maaaaaan
I still love and play the game. I cannot wait for another game like this.
That storm-bringer arm is way cooler than the one we got
Makes the current game look less cool, that stormbringer kill the first time is crazy, that hammer being bashed against his skull is just so cool, then Spartan kicking him off the thing? Awesome
Nothing been forgotten ❤
Who else wanted the game to be more like this.
It doesn't really look like a game, its looking like an animation of some sort.
but it is a game.
This a whole different game then the actual one released
a shame how some things weren't added
I wish they stayed with a younger looking talien instead of the old one we got
They should have added more follower cinematic scenes like overlord scenes. Other than that, I enjoyed this game.
They did a very good job making this game look super fun and they’re not lying
Make these actual features please
Yea orcs with mystical powers would be nice
@@killfected7309 There are necromancers in the game
@@Ghostrick74 they resurrect like 3 guys every 9 minutes
Osgiliath had a red outline, which makes me believe at one point it could have been thought as a playable region, I have no basis for this but since Ered Glamhoth appears in the map too, we visited it at the end of SoM and Minas Morgul has a semi functional commander system it feels like at least three regions were cut from the final version.
It also makes sense when you think on how much each tribe was marketed as unique but in the actual game we don't have enough fortresses to have each tribe at least once as warchiefs
This game is still amazing
Is there anyone who can mod the game to be more like this cinematic? That what be awesome.
I mean... only if you're fine with certain snippets of dialogue being edited and re-used.
Though with AI voicework it's more possible than ever to create new dialogue, but it'd be so much freaking work. It's not just making the dialogue, which won't sound right because there's no personality in AI-generated voices, it's making the situations themselves, and then programming the game to work with those...
...no, not with Denuvo still in the game. Though I think there's a GOG release without it. It complicates things, though, and wouldn't be possible with Steam versions without at least a crack.
Yeah, sorry, no one would touch this with a ten foot pole.
@@Lucifronz Man, that sucks. They should've finished the game this way instead of rushing.
@@Lucifronz voice acting?
@@madmen6544 false advertising
@@madmen6544they didn't rush, just making the entire game like this prototype is too intensive
These guys are laughing in the corner with their expanded nemesis system 💀
Why does this alpha demo look BETTER than what we got? Like, if orcs actually cursed you the way they did in this it would be dope
because its false advertising
They do though? Captains can have Cursed weapons, that is very much a thing in the actual game.
@@theoverlord3937 they meant like the cutscene curse. i wouldnt mind more cutscenes ingame
@@crispycream6503 Eh, so long as it wasn't EVERY single time you got cursed. Interruptions during combat can get on ones nerves, kinda like how a captain dies they HAVE to zoom in and be all cinematic... which can lead to a death.
I just noticed how randomly in the trailer Talion changes his armour from the Rohirrim one back to the Ranger armour
Dude I wish they would’ve let our selected overlord give a speech instead of Celebrimbor glazing himself
This was big scam when i saw real gameplay, i remember.
This was SEVEN YEARS AGO?!
Of course! We don't get much of anything good for Lord of the Rings.
they edited actual stuff to make new stuff...damn man, false advertising. Love the game tho
If the third game doesn't act like this I'll be pissed. IF YOU'D MAKE ONE!
I’m really disappointed that the overlords we choose don’t do speeches
RIP the demolisher
We need to get a sequel that is literally just like this.
Not likely to happen
Precisamos de uma continuação.
This is the sequel.
@@qymaen-jai-sheelal A continuação de sombras da guerra.
@@wiskitit3213true.
We need a sequel/prequel or a spin off with similar mechanics but improved a bit.
I seriously don’t understand why people shit on this game, do you have any idea what work went into making it? the game offers a completely unique and incredible experience so quit being over critical and be grateful
idea for 3rd sequal : middle earth battle for dominance, or maybe shadow empire?, idk guys recommend the 3rd sequal my brains lost
Should've kept this in the game tbh
why wasn't the game like this when I played it😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
Honestly I’m kinda glad it isn’t as cutsceney and edited. Would have gotten old fast. Although if it did this in the first raid on a fortress you do then it would make more sense.
Still the only game I've ever pre-ordered
They could have at least kept the curse being tied to a specific orc and preventing you from Ring powers until you defeat him, that is so damn cool.
Basically just Zog
first middle earth game win eight awards
Make more updates, people returned to the game.
Wish it was that simple
This is my favorite games of all time
And thus the orc never appeared in the game thus only staying in the trailer
maybe they just replaced it with the name tremor good tip any olog you have that has tremor make sure they allways attack the gates and walls they do more dammage
i played this game countless of times, from Xbox to my new Gaming PC, but dammnn this game looked and feel much better in this trailer than the actual game, the orcs looked so much better aswell, i wonder why they removed so much content its a dammn shame, my guess its the consoles were too weak, because the consoles had very weak cpu at this point.
they didnt remove it. its just edited cinematic and build they only made for trailer. it was never added to any build they planned to release. just to sell more copies. I played it too the game was a shadow of this. not war
god I always love the orc chants!
If the end game was REALLY like this, I would have more hours of play
8:47 Wait is this a thing in the final release of the game? I've never noticed this because I never ride caragors
Yes
I’m still trying to find a storm bringer
Well time to play this game cause i completed the old Shadow of modor
Dont get me wrong i dont understand a thing about coding and game designs but i dont think this wouodve been hard to make in game, if this was every siege i would constantly lose my fortresses just for the excitement, this all looks awesome. Its kinda sad how much of this looks cool but isnt the same in-game.
This looked so awesome
Why couldn’t it be like this in the actual game
Too linear or something i guess
I spent 4 days trying to get the StormBringer and I failed
1 third game set in the Fourth age in Mordor after sauron defeat or in Rhûn beyond the map of middle earth fighting the remaining orcs easterlings that followed Sauron
As celebrimbor trying to get your ring back from Eltariel
Allying with the elves men dwarves of the East against the worshippers Servants of Sauron morgoth
2 remake shadow of Mordor
wish we got cutscenes like this in game, its still great but it coulda been alot better
4:30 goes so hard
Agreed
You know, I just realized we didn't get a battering ram olog
Great game, not exactly like the game shows, but as it says yes
Can you guys make a second except u can chose to be a orc captain of ur choice or a knight or somthign like that
soo they kinda just lied to us?
No they took stuff out that woulf of gotten in the way of gameplay like cheating death after 2 minutes and the very specific voice lunes that would take too long to voice act for
@@bingus1895 No, you absolute clod, they didn't remove anything. These are highly edited shots to sell the game. They lied.
@@Lucifronz alright then yoy toenails gobbler i was expressing my opinion because i am quite fond of this game
@@bingus1895it is definitely an upgrade to shadow of Mordor undoubtedly. But even looking back on this trailer there is a lot of promises here that just never got made or were just flat out lies, unique follower and warlord missions? Pffft I wish, it is a good AAA game which can’t be said for most nowadays but can’t take away from the lies they told
@@cbbartman1360 yeah my favourite right now but you're right imagine the unique voicelines
Deadeye is a true bro
We need an update for this and they need to add a new game plus feature and most animation executions from this trailer
they are adding WonderWoman game soon with the same nemesis mechanic, looking forward to it currently
@@ColderPls uhhh. Nothing against female protagonists ofc but wonder woman is so boring to me
2:02 Anyone else wondering how stombringer got up there 😂😂😂
Rip az-laar everyday i remember him