I think this magnetizes it so it’ll ‘excite’ when current passes through it (not 100% sure). We do the same thing for the DC exciters for hydro electrical generation equipment after sitting a long time or a rebuild.
That is the textbook definition of dedication right there. Sometimes they just need to sit for a while; no crime in that. This is just a guess, but maybe overall ignition timing is too far advanced?
If you're anything like me, it's now become personal, Between me and whatever I'm working on! I get that way about some projects. That's what I tell my wife when she asks me to fix something for her. She knows the look on my face. Sometimes I don't even have to tell her. She'll say, It's gotten personal now, hasn't it? Lol. I just found d your channel. I love it! You're my people! Keep up the great work!
If you open circuit a high tension coil while it's making voltage, I've been told that can damage the coil by having excess energy blow through turn to turn within the windings. Better off to ground the output to test for spark elimination.
Well, back in the olden days of voltage regulators you had a arcing contact that regulated the voltage. Maybe dig out one of those and use the arcing regulator to make it run. My guess is that the cdi has something going on with it anyway. Lots of laughs were achieved in this video though! (and Steve says call me. Let's ride! ) lol
I had this problem before but on 2 stroke quads fix 1 was its a rear brake switch that can be disconnected on handle bars or fix 2 a faulty rectifier so I plugged out them yellow wires going to it usually 4 yellow wires,good luck
Good 🤞 luck on getting it to run again. And I'd also try cleaning out both of those carburetor's and jets inside of them to. Emotion tube main jets and needle jets for air fuel mixture screws to. Cause they could be clogged up or just dirty needing to be cleaned out really good inside is all. And replace the carburetor's diaphragms inside of both them to. That's where two carburetor rebuild kits come into play then.
my 12 elan does that tapping ground revving issue im not sure why but it does the same thing as that fury, ive tried stator replacements, jetting, coils, points and condensers, but still the same outcome. good video for help with troubleshooting this issue
i had a honda Odyssey that i scratched my head on trying to figure out what was wrong i found that often when 2 cycles sit mice love to build nest in the expansion chamber your engine acts exactly like it did a little exhaust came out but two strokes depend on flow to run pulled pipe off hooked it to a garden hose with a cv axle boot hose clamps turned hose on full and a little came out them boom the nest shot out shook it really good put pipe back on and ran like a champ yes mice can really squeeze into tiny holes and sometimes they are near babies that can really fit but often leave as they grow just because it looks like they cant get in they can and do build nest in pipes same with mud dabbers bees hook the pipes up or do the open port just watch your ears lol i noticed some fuel dripping from the pipe/manifold your engine probably cant "breathe"
Oh man, been there done that. This video triggered my ptsd. I rewound a pickup coil for a yamaha it250 years ago because I am cheap. I didnt use a drill because I kept snapping the wire so ended up doing it by hand. I would keep checking all the basics first such as testing continuity in the wires from the stator whilst wiggling them along their length. Are you actually getting good spark (widen the plug gap and make sure)? Are the ht leads good? Maybe test the timing.. Thanks for another entertaining video!! Best channel on youtube..
I had John deer spit fire did the same thing if you messed with the kill switch while it was running it would start running on both cylinders it was the cdi box on mine that ended up fixing it but I drove it for a long time just messing with the kill switch till it ran good not sure what it is with grounding it but seems to get it working again
I would check out the settings on the pickup coil to like 0° or 2° or 4° degrees in or out as your timing mark specifications for that engine and pickup coil to.
Had the same experience on a scooter, would bog down when i wheelie’d and on bumps. There was no ground strap between engine and frame, so the kickstand sparked against the crank case.
I'd test out the ohms.,or voltage that your pick up coil is supposed to be rated tolerance at on that snow sled on the Data sheets PDF diagrams and schematics for it. That is A starting point. I'd would try first to wire wheel off the rust on the top of it. Make sure to wipe it off with A clean rag and make sure the magnet surface is shiny silver looking again to. Then try to start it up again.
You know what you have to do now, don't ya? You gotta (gently) take apart that CDI and have a look. lol My 440 Everest did this too, but it's points, so I know I have to adjust them at some point but damn I don't want to take that magneto off because I have to pull the engine out to at least lean it up to where I can get the puller tools in there. Sure it has slots so I can adjust the points with the magneto on, but I'm not 20 anymore and you just can't get in there to see the dang things.
So just thinking. Could it possibly be a short in the ignition switch itself? I had a motorcycle once that they used graphite on the key switch and it started acting this way.
Can't say you didn't try to get that one to run! I know there are places that will rewind coils like you did, but never heard of anybody trying it at home! Don't see why it wouldn't have worked, its just simple physics. Not sure why the number of turns/resistance has a effect - voltage produced maybe?
Hey if you see this I’m betting the el Tigre 440 air cooled 77 modle had the same engine and parts . If u can find an el Tigre air cooled engine parts I think you can switch em over
Maybe both CDIs are bad ? My brother had that issue with his Jag 3000 sputtering and not wanting to rev up, almost like a rev limiter, thankfully we had more CDIs to test out and 3 of them ended up being bad, the electronic components on that Suzuki are pretty much unique which is sad and i guess sourcing an other CDI is out of the question :(
I just can't get enough of you videos. Great learning tool for mechanics.
41:13 minutes of GOLD
Agreed...serious dedication rewinding a stator
As a guy who never sledded a sled before, I'd love that old girl
Hit the coil you made for a second with 12v to energize the coil. Every coil I have rebuilt has needed to be energized to work.
I think this magnetizes it so it’ll ‘excite’ when current passes through it (not 100% sure).
We do the same thing for the DC exciters for hydro electrical generation equipment after sitting a long time or a rebuild.
That is the textbook definition of dedication right there. Sometimes they just need to sit for a while; no crime in that. This is just a guess, but maybe overall ignition timing is too far advanced?
That was impressive-especially the coil build.
These sleds were drastically underrated. Good machine!
Jeeeebus! Nice work buddy! That took some talent!
Haha, thanks man!! Thought about setting it on fire a few times. Still might happen...
You have persistence beyond mine that's for sure! Great vid and my arm gets tired just watching you pull that recoil
I may also be grasping at Straws..
But if it has them goofy reed things.. try swapping them out
Love it when a new video is posted. Crack open a beer and enjoy.
We the faithful and on Sunday. T.C., this must be an omen. Nice to see ya. Hasn't warmed up to zero here in Washington so this is a genuine treat.
8th final time, love your tenacity.
What a collection, nice work.
If you're anything like me, it's now become personal, Between me and whatever I'm working on! I get that way about some projects. That's what I tell my wife when she asks me to fix something for her. She knows the look on my face. Sometimes I don't even have to tell her. She'll say, It's gotten personal now, hasn't it? Lol.
I just found d your channel. I love it! You're my people! Keep up the great work!
Hard to believe Suzuki did such a thing. Too bad the spirit parts from AC won’t fit.
Great video… thank you
I didn't notice any of those 12oz ignition components for the troubleshooter...
If you open circuit a high tension coil while it's making voltage, I've been told that can damage the coil by having excess energy blow through turn to turn within the windings. Better off to ground the output to test for spark elimination.
Well, back in the olden days of voltage regulators you had a arcing contact that regulated the voltage. Maybe dig out one of those and use the arcing regulator to make it run. My guess is that the cdi has something going on with it anyway. Lots of laughs were achieved in this video though! (and Steve says call me. Let's ride! ) lol
I had this problem before but on 2 stroke quads fix 1 was its a rear brake switch that can be disconnected on handle bars or fix 2 a faulty rectifier so I plugged out them yellow wires going to it usually 4 yellow wires,good luck
Some 5° to even 15° degrees either way in or out of time for the correct firing order settings on a lot of those machines to.
Good 🤞 luck on getting it to run again. And I'd also try cleaning out both of those carburetor's and jets inside of them to. Emotion tube main jets and needle jets for air fuel mixture screws to. Cause they could be clogged up or just dirty needing to be cleaned out really good inside is all. And replace the carburetor's diaphragms inside of both them to. That's where two carburetor rebuild kits come into play then.
I don’t know anyone who would have got as far as you did.
gotta be a way to rig up automotive battery style ignition with an oil filled coil. that would be my next step.
my 12 elan does that tapping ground revving issue im not sure why but it does the same thing as that fury, ive tried stator replacements, jetting, coils, points and condensers, but still the same outcome. good video for help with troubleshooting this issue
i had a honda Odyssey that i scratched my head on trying to figure out what was wrong i found that often when 2 cycles sit mice love to build nest in the expansion chamber your engine acts exactly like it did a little exhaust came out but two strokes depend on flow to run
pulled pipe off hooked it to a garden hose with a cv axle boot hose clamps turned hose on full and a little came out them boom the nest shot out shook it really good put pipe back on and ran like a champ yes mice can really squeeze into tiny holes and sometimes they are near babies that can really fit but often leave as they grow
just because it looks like they cant get in they can and do build nest in pipes same with mud dabbers bees hook the pipes up or do the open port just watch your ears lol
i noticed some fuel dripping from the pipe/manifold your engine probably cant "breathe"
Damn thats sad. Maybe next year!
Oh man, been there done that. This video triggered my ptsd. I rewound a pickup coil for a yamaha it250 years ago because I am cheap. I didnt use a drill because I kept snapping the wire so ended up doing it by hand.
I would keep checking all the basics first such as testing continuity in the wires from the stator whilst wiggling them along their length. Are you actually getting good spark (widen the plug gap and make sure)? Are the ht leads good? Maybe test the timing..
Thanks for another entertaining video!! Best channel on youtube..
nice long video love it . and a good one at that
Sunday video magic. Thank you 🍺
Thanks for watching! 🍺
Didn’t take much convincing. I can trouble shoot with ya in the warm. 👌
I had John deer spit fire did the same thing if you messed with the kill switch while it was running it would start running on both cylinders it was the cdi box on mine that ended up fixing it but I drove it for a long time just messing with the kill switch till it ran good not sure what it is with grounding it but seems to get it working again
I would check out the settings on the pickup coil to like 0° or 2° or 4° degrees in or out as your timing mark specifications for that engine and pickup coil to.
One time I started my homelite xl had my hand a little to close to a loose spark plug boot and whamo
That Diode is inside the PEI unit. Any thing you see inside that checkered box is inside the PEI box.
Had the same experience on a scooter, would bog down when i wheelie’d and on bumps. There was no ground strap between engine and frame, so the kickstand sparked against the crank case.
So hard to find those in Canada!
Crank seals would be my check
will we get alpine riding videos this season?
Sounds like it's starving for fuel coming off idle as the carbs open up? At around the 31 minute mark....
It's like one of those touch lamps but an engine 😆
I'd test out the ohms.,or voltage that your pick up coil is supposed to be rated tolerance at on that snow sled on the Data sheets PDF diagrams and schematics for it. That is A starting point. I'd would try first to wire wheel off the rust on the top of it. Make sure to wipe it off with A clean rag and make sure the magnet surface is shiny silver looking again to. Then try to start it up again.
Awesome fix!
I had a 2009 Polaris ATV with a similar issue. It turned out to be a short in an ignition wire that was occasionally arcing to the frame.
I assume you collected the copper filings to put in the scrap bin after cutting the old coil apart on the bandsaw…?
Haha, I should have!!
nice scale
Would you do a vidio on how to put a atator ib ans rime it please
Ran when parked. Man that stater and flywheel looks exactly like my 72 Suzuki ts250 could it be?
WELL IM GONNA BE FIT TO BE TIED~ HAAAAAA
You know what you have to do now, don't ya? You gotta (gently) take apart that CDI and have a look. lol
My 440 Everest did this too, but it's points, so I know I have to adjust them at some point but damn I don't want to take that magneto off because I have to pull the engine out to at least lean it up to where I can get the puller tools in there. Sure it has slots so I can adjust the points with the magneto on, but I'm not 20 anymore and you just can't get in there to see the dang things.
Are you sure the exhaust isn't plugged?
Yeah, ran it with the pipes off, and also with the can disconnected. :(
Snow in Texas and Toocheaptosmoke. Yep.
haha, now you're talking!!
So just thinking. Could it possibly be a short in the ignition switch itself? I had a motorcycle once that they used graphite on the key switch and it started acting this way.
Can't say you didn't try to get that one to run! I know there are places that will rewind coils like you did, but never heard of anybody trying it at home! Don't see why it wouldn't have worked, its just simple physics. Not sure why the number of turns/resistance has a effect - voltage produced maybe?
You should get some magnet wire and start learning how to wind your own coils. It's not a hard task, just time consuming and seems right up your alley
Lol, that's what you ended up doing. Nice!
Haha!
Sweet
Hey if you see this I’m betting the el Tigre 440 air cooled 77 modle had the same engine and parts . If u can find an el Tigre air cooled engine parts I think you can switch em over
As a big sledder, I'd love that old girl
stator is why my brother parked his jd gator it's a slightly bigger workbench then yours told me i can have it i said..........N O P E
Just liquid the fury a 700 bombardier should fit nicely
Maybe both CDIs are bad ? My brother had that issue with his Jag 3000 sputtering and not wanting to rev up, almost like a rev limiter, thankfully we had more CDIs to test out and 3 of them ended up being bad, the electronic components on that Suzuki are pretty much unique which is sad and i guess sourcing an other CDI is out of the question :(
Post filming I actually score a reasonably priced NOS cdi, ran exactly the same. :(
@@toocheaptosmokeshitty dude
@@toocheaptosmoke well the culprit is that kill obviously gotta figure something out
leakdown test crank seals compression? seems like ya have good spark idk
motor jenga dont want to disturb the pile LMAO 😂😂😂😂😂😂
crank seals
So my comment apparently worked?
Lucky timing for sure, haha
@@toocheaptosmoke suggestion sense suzuki did alot for Arctic cat try looking into some more cat motors until something comes up
It's sure not because you didn't try
I don't even have to watch the video ... And tell you how to make it run..... Put a polaris 500 engine in it...done