LET'S TALK TECH-WHY DO PEOPLE INSIST ON USING THIS INTAKE?
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- FOR THE LAST TIME-THE SHORT RUNNER, FABRICATED LS INTAKE IS A HIGH-RPM INTAKE. IT DOES LOOK FANCY IN POLISHED FORM, IT IS NOT! I REPEAT NOT! AN UPGRADE FOR A FACTORY LS INTAKE BELOW 6500 RPM.
We just need a prettier version of the truck intakes...
The Dorman truck intake looks better. Down a bit of HP though.
Hi Pal...U inspire my build
...just got off dyno...
991 awhp stock ls2 with ls3 truck top..21psi.TBSS..
Learned so much from U.
Thankyou
I've been helping a friend building and tuning a 2007 TBSS. LY6, truck intake, Huron Speed 88mm Turbo Kit. Shooting for similar numbers. So far 837 whp on 15 psi using a bad tuner. Back to the drawing board we go! Lol!
Keep going...i self tuned mine...learned here... Could have went further but only had 8lb gate when I was in the Dino
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@@maurymoynihan5245 we have 11 psi springs. We've made it up to 17 psi but it broke up due to the plug gap being too wide. I wanna have a talk with the tuner that blew it up tho...
a tb spacer does not change power
@@jaydubb71 ya...been down the plug gap road...got my br7's at .018 now ..seems to have fixed it
I don’t care at all about 20hp loss. I just want it for the looks. And the budget. I’m N\A stage 2 cam.
Looking through your LS Intake Manifold shootout it made me consider different options for sure. I wanted the look but i wanted decent power. Ended up going for the Edelbrock pro-flo XT setup for my LQ4 with a cam. The test data you provided steered me away from the cheap fabricated manifolds and honestly the more expensive holley system for what i am doing. I like the cast manifold for sure.
Old man here who likes the 348 and 409 Chevy . I also like the 375 HP Corvett engine . I`m old and have old grey hairs . The 350 and 400 sb was a good engine back in the day . The 454 was another one . So was a 396 .
So why can't China Man make me a cheap clone "ish" of a LS6 or FAST or w/e for less than $1,000? I mean really a $400-500 intake that just matches a LS6/TBSS would be amazing for the market.
I just received my Amazon aluminum LS2 intake and I’m here to say that it is so close to all of the high dollar ones that unless you’re doing a high dollar street outlaw engine you can rest assured that the aftermarket ones are fine.
Any gains I’m looking for one cause I hate the stock manifold look and I don’t want a huge manifold either cause I don’t want a new hood (c6 vette)
@@Tazerect only losses. where it matters most, down low. these are for turbos only.
i love how this topic has eluded to the fact that most of these intakes are actually long runner.
the fabricated intakes are short runner-factory intakes a long runner
Just my .02 on the stream topic. I ran one of these intakes for looks and later on decided to see what the 82 year old truck could do at the drag strip. After tuning the truck to run its fastest time I managed a 13.56 at 101mph. This has a low lift 218/227 cam shifting at 6500rpm. I later put a 2008 suburban intake on it and didn't try to get the truck to go as fast as possible. I used the same tune that was consistent and not running the engine at its limits, I managed a 13.18 at 105.5mph. I had to do minimal VE tuning and nothing else. I picked up a bunch at the bottom end of the track due to getting off the line better than the other which improves the E.T. Just wanted to share my experience. I think I could have snuck a 12.9X if the season hadn't ended a month ago.
You could have done better with a higher stall. My c-6 Corvette runs a 11.80@121 because of a tight factory stall. My friends are all running close to 10's by adding stall converters. The converters fly over the 2,3,4000 rpm engine speeds where the engine makes only 200-400hp. My 60 ft time will go from 2.0 to 1.5 so I should see at least a 11.3 quarter with a 3200 PA stall. Very street friendly.
@@aphil4581 I know a higher stall would help but the 08 intake was $100 and a converter is a little bit more than that and I don't know if you have ever pulled a 4l60e from a 1940 chevy pickup but, it is not a small task. I was building a new engine for it anyway that has a honey badger cam in a 6.0 and I have a 4l65e that I built up for it.
@@aphil4581 The 13 second runs were a 5.3
I can beat that..
@@donaldleavy4379 That's nice. Very helpful!
Only reason i picked that manifold was hood clearance, the truck intake worked fine however i cant run a hood with it
What kind of car are you putting it in?
The LS3 intake is sweet. There's no denying it.
The only thing better than an LS3 intake, would be a fabricated version of it with nice strong NPT or AN bungs and straight raised runners like the LSXRT has, but with 2 injectors per cylinder. Where one set of injectors is in the factory position, and the second set is inside the plenum right over the runners.
It's simply convenient coming off the front for a turbo. Never mind it adds clearance for the hood.
The main reason id say is cost everything else is like $1000 these are like $300 or something then the looks and all but people want an (upgrade) and don't want to spend the $1000
Go look for Long runner Intakes on No Prep, X275, LDR LS Turbo setups. You will not see any Long Runner intakes. 100% will be Holley Hi Ram, Edelbrock, BTR short Runner intakes, In addition, High HP Nitrous Applications, are the same, but for different reasons. With Turbo applications you can give up torque when making well in access of 1K Ft/lbs. Torque. The lower Torque helps getting No prep Cars/trucks off the line. On Nitrous applications it helps in distribution to all cylinders.
choose the intake for the application and intended rpm-no prep race motors don't spend time at 3500 rpm
@@richardholdener1727 Fact. Learned so much from your videos. Thank You!
Hotroders want to stand out from the crowd.Also we want to save money and go fast. The whole LS movment is saving money using junkyard engine and going fast . Spending 1000 on a intake (That is plastic too) is a difficult check to write.The Chinese sheet metal intake is cheap(about the cost of a used ls1 or trailblazer ss plastic intake) looks great and makes more power on top end.I know the"Big Players"want you to pick thier intakes but remember where hotrodding got its start.
I picked up 1 for $200 buck and took it to my head guy the 1st thing he did was brace it then started on the flow bench and way he went N/A nothing touched it the whole range he used port putty or some stuff did tell me what it was pro stocks use it in their head ports, we will be trying it boosted the one we are messing with is the short runner unit ill get back on those results when we try it
sorry-that doesn't happen-this short runner intake does what short runner intakes do unless you change the runner length
I have a customer with a 6.0 from a gto in a chevelle, I told him that the stock intake was ok but he insisted on getting the chinesium intake, it fit like crap, Throttle blade rubbed, expanded and most of all. It sounded like crap. And people are like sounded?, yes sounded, it sounded all wurry like sea shell type sound.
Shaved my truck intake looks good
I've got one for a gen 3 hemi in a short bed truck. I really cant afford to loose all that torque but its not getting raced, looks way better than factory, and was $200 on the open box discount
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One simple answer, because it’s cheaper than most aftermarket and it looks “cool”.
. If they figured out a way to lengthen the runners and maintain hood clearance they would be great.
I'm poking around with that idea right now.
For my application I'm stuck with the ls4 intake due to clearance issues..
I don't know why nobody has designed an intake that uses the valley volume as part of the plenum?
Valley is wasted in a pushrod v8...
Wow, that's actually an interesting idea. There's serious volume in there especially after knock sensor relocation.
Oh well…
I can build a aluminum long runner intake.. kind of hard to describe but If you can picture the runners exiting the cylinder head out of a bullet aluminum flange,roll up and over to the opposite cylinder head and back. Can be done… but it would be a time consuming project. I would have to custom fabricate each runner using flat stock aluminum creating rectangular donuts to start. Or go with aluminum tubing bending with a tube bender. I don’t think the engine care’s if the tubing is round or rectangular long as the transition from the intake port to the inside of the runners is gradual. Once all the runners are made making sure the runners are longer and larger then the stock LS3 intake. The weld together. Then I can make a common plenum to package all the runners internally. Maybe protruding out if the length of the runners require more space.
I think too many people just want the looks. I’m just going to make a nice aluminum cover for the new 112$ bare TBSS I just picked up.
I don’t think those aluminum short runner manifolds are any good… you get a loss of about 30 HP and torque where you need it on any LS motor, granted they make more power up top but who’s at 7-8000 rpm’s unless it’s for drag racing. Not to mention they heat up and cause the intake charge to heat up causing HP loss😂. The only thing those aluminum fabricated manifold’s have is looks. I personally think the LS3 plastic intake looks great too.
The LS1,2,6 and 3 all look pretty good in my opinion. For the longest time and still the LS3 is def the best bang for buck even with adapters for cathedral ports it's still decent price.
Flashes me back to the mid -70’s, and the wanna-be Grumpy’s running dual quads and tunnel rams, on 90% stock, street cars.
@@BDauto86 yes all the factory LS intake manifolds look sweet… with the exception of the ugly truck intake manifold’s😎
@@vikenlink I agree. I seen a few painted and contacted 1 guy that paints them and they look amazing. He does an awesome American flag, I'm just too cheap to pay 250$ to have my 500$ used plastic intake painted lol
Personally I don't hate the truck manifolds, tbss is alil nicer, I have seen a few shaved or cleaned up that look pretty good. I couldn't fit 1 in my 4th gen so I bought the ProComp/Speedmaster aluminum ls6 style and cleaned/ported it, happy with it so far.
One thing I noticed with people commenting on my LS3 stroker 416 built using the LS3 factory intake was…why would you use the LS3 intake when it looses power compared to the truck intake manifold . Why didn’t I get the FAST intake, it makes more power then the stock intake. I got to say there all wrong. I think all above is true for the LS1 LS2 cathedral port cylinder head combo’s.. the LS3 has rectangle port heads. That’s where everyone is mixing apples 🍎 with orange 🍊. The LS3 intake has the identical power numbers as the L92 truck intake manifold and the FAST intake really doesn’t do much better then the stock LS3 intake manifold . The only intake that actually makes more power (about16hp more) across the curve is the cast aluminum Holley cross ram intake manifold .. but if you want to dish out $2000.00 to make 16hp and buy a second throttle body just to find out now your accessory’s alternator and serpentine belts are int the way of the throttle body …that’s your proghtive. Personally at that point I’d be thinking boost instead😎.
People only run these intakes bcux they look good. I convinced a guy to switch from an FITech intake like that to a TBSS intake. He said it was ugly and put a metal cover on it. Lol
The “cost and availability” explanation doesn’t (remotely) hold water. The “truck” intakes are literally everywhere and are often FREE ($50 tops?), plus have been proven to make great HP/TQ. Folks buy the fab’d units ‘cuz they “look racecar”, but run more like “pace car”.
I swapped out a mid runner ls3 fast for a Holley low sniper. Gained over 4 mph. But I was shiting at 8000
see the ls3 intake test video-short runners can add power up top-if you run it at 8000 rpm, they can work
Because the hardest thing in life for humans to do, is see perspectives other than their own… its hard discussing these intakes with “performance” guys but you have to accept that there are LOTS of people that build cars and want cars MOSTLY for appearance. I guarantee there is a larger number of those people than there are performance people. If you spend 2-4 years, blood, sweat, and tears building a “cool car”, you want a cool looking car. The sheet metal intake is the best looking intake available. Try to imagine the perspective of someone building a vehicle like that, that wants to go to car shows, cruise the boulevard at night and drive it on date night. With THAT scenario - there is NO better intake than the sheet metal intake. OF COURSE it gives up power down low with those short runners. Its completely irrelevant and unimportant to that category of people.
A big bang 4.3 V6 please 🙏
Most often, people do it because it looks cool or some popular guy is doing it (or a combination of those).
I’m not concerned with looks. I’m running a fresh 6.0 with the truck Norris cam and trunion bearing upgrade. LS6 springs. Circle D converter. It’s in a 3500 van. Looking for a decent runner. Last guy charged me 700 and it won’t idle with the a/c on in traffic. I tried to contact him and he blocked me
For a turbo guy this intake enables me to spray meth on pump, gas, and for the most part, it’s somewhat even distribution of the meth or for argument sake it’s better than the stock intake
GOOD POINT
Because Cleatus has one!
sold
Right On Richard!
Y’all are making it sound like if you run this intake you won’t even be able to spin the tires . I have a 408 stroked lq9 with all forged internals , stage 3 cam , 11:1 compression . Are you saying this intake will make this motor a turd?
I'M SAYING IT MAKES LESS POWER THROUGH MOST OF THE CURVE-LESS IMPORTANT ON A 6.0L (COMPARED TO 4.8L/5.3L) THAT HAS AMPLE TORQUE
Delphi says the 350 TBI injectors flow at 64pph @ 15psi
LS3 intake, Ls3 GMPP ported heads, 92tb Ls2 stroker 418. 6.9@98MPH. 1.5 sixty ft.
That's terrible. We went 6.6@102 or 104 with a bolt on ls3. Hell even my bolt on ls6 went 6.8@100+.
I hope you at some super high elevation.
@@HioSSilver1999 If you knew what it cost me you wouldn't say that. That was just a one time out with no tuning. Only 22 degrees advance. That car had a lot more than a slow 6.6 and 103MPH left in it!
@@aphil4581 lol...i hope it has more! Now go find it!!.
The amount of loss is not worth the 1000 dlls plus using a low mount intake like the ls1,3 means re doing your accessory drive system. A fabricated one will solve the issues and get you going cheap.
Richard, I just purchased a 06 L33 w/ 171k. Hopefully going in front of a new old stock Tremec TKO 5 speed and going into a 5 lug Tacoma (@ 3300 lbs) Going to do shine & shows and drive it. I don’t know what cam Truck Norris or ? … Any advice Oh I’m 63 so my Ricky Racer days are mostly behind me…
look at all the cams recently tested on the l33-pick you desired curve
But, I thought Toyota’s was so reliable?
Sheet metal intake manifold aka lipstick on a 🐖 cost more & less performance than OEM.
Yeah looks good also able to hide alot of wireing underneath it mine had 4-5 vacume ports that's good, has the obvious shortcomings you pointed out. ? Though? The velocity stacks inside are questionable as far as wet shot NOS or water meth to me? Some say no problem but idk?
actually this intake design might be better for nitrous/fuel distribution with a wet shot than stock
OK good to know was a concern
Rich, Doing a semi-budget 5.3L build for endurance road racing (8hr long races). Running a stage 2 cam, aftermarket valve springs , stock bottom end, stock LM7 cathedral heads. Hood clearance is a consideration as this is a Nissan chassis. Power is not a super important, but don't want to leave easy power on the table. Engine will spend most of its life above 3500 RPM.
I was looking for an LS6 manifold, but they are hard-ish to find and seem overpriced. Can you recommend an aftermarket intake manifold? No boost, just N/A.
A lot of the information I am finding is specific to drag racing and max HP, but that just isn't my case. We have to consider fuel consumption. Thank you!!
see the ls intake test video
Ok, So tell me what intake manifold do I need for this application. First its a 5.3 with 5.3 rods with 4.8 flat top pistons. With a set of factory 706 heads with new (Hand Lapped Valves) And the springs from the BTR Truck Norris Cam Kit. Using the supplied push rods in the kit. Obviously using the Truck Norris Cam. All going into a 1986 Camaro. So I'd like to find something that would fit under the hood. The plan is to only run this engine to about 6800 rpm. With a 4l60E stock trans and converter from a 2003 1500 GMC Van.
ideally a FAST (but expensive)
it's a muffler case installed on top of the engine for looks hahaha, thanks for getting the truth out there RH!
I'm running an ly6 truck intake on my mustang, people ask what is it I call it an upside down wheel Barrow
@@davidreed6070 That's accurate!
How is the new Brian tooly 2 pce ls3 low profile? No room under hood. using 7600 rpm roller.
that might work up at that rpm
How videos ,what do you need to get a Chevy L's engine ready a engine swap .parts if any or setup
I’m currently doing a LS swap. The LS motor I’m putting in is a 6.0 lq9 but can’t decide on a intake. Can I put a fast lsxr on that motor or does it have to be a fast lsxrt? Sorry if the question is dumb but I’m new to this stuff.
EITHER WILL WORK, BUT YOU DON'T NEED A FAST INTAKE IF THE MOTOR IS STOCK
I think this was an unbiased test. Did he even consider how great it looks
THE DYNO IS UNBIASED-PEOPLE ARE USUALLY NOT
I just want it for looks idc about power
I switched to this intake and now my Monte Carlo ss wont start 😒
Well yeah they are pretty but if there is no real gain under 6,000 it's pointless
I’m confused because on the intake shootout I coulda swore the fab manifold made more than stock intakes but not as much as the fast and high dollar intakes
ONLY SLIGHTLY MORE PEAK -LESS THROUGH MOST OF THE CURVE
@@richardholdener1727 Yes, agree with Richard. This is a race manifold for high RPM use only. Would be a dog going stop light to stop light. Excellent intake for the strip 4500 on up. Good with boost too.
WHY IS THE LONG RUNNER BETTER ?
IT LOOKS LIKE A SHORT RUNNER WOULD BE QUICKER THROTTLE RESPONCE
long runner adds torque (it's called reflected wave tuning)
I think most people are picking the intake because of looks alone because even though a LS can make great power with boost it is such a ugly duckling of a chevy engine it's the ugly sister of the small block chevy like the 409 was the ugly brother of the big block chevy...lol but I still love them all I would love to see a 409 on the dyno one day Rick 427
Are fabricated or polished valve covers used based on looks alone like the fabricated polished intake or are there any performance gains available from non fabricated polished valve covers?
sometimes valve covers have provisions for breathers and crankcase evacuation, but most at for looks and clearance
@Richard Holdener Thanks, that's what I had been thinking but wasnt sure.
I have a 07 suburban with the 87mm drive by wire, want to put on a bigger throttle body. I think the inlet of the intake manifold is 90mm. I've seen 90mm LS7 and "92mm" ported 90mm TB, but most are gold blade and say they do not work with my year truck. What TB can I put on? Is there a work around?
WHY DO YOU NEED A BIGGER TB?
@@richardholdener1727 I don't really need it, especially since it doesn't have any supporting mods to take full advantage of the extra size. However I did want to look for more power in any place I can without swapping out major components.
@@richardholdener1727 Also I want to thank you on all the work you do; researching multiple components, multiple venders, on various platforms and vehicle makes. Definitely have been learning, even on engines I don't own or parts I probably would never get a chance to install.
the throttle body would be one of the last places to loo-its already big enough til you get a good cam
What is a decent turbo kit
I have a 6.0 Lq9 turned to a 408 stroker btr3 cam prc heads which intake do you recommend
what is your desired rpm?
I have a 6.0 lq4 with btr stage 4 cam 706 heads btr lifters springs pushrods what intake would serve me best?
depends on exactly what stage 4 cam and what you plan to do with the motor?
@richardholdener1727 Brian tooly racing stage 4 nsr cam it's 224/230 Duration, 0.481 in./0.481 in. Lift, 109 Lobe Separation Angle,
@richardholdener1727 and it's in my fc rx7 so I do need a low clearance intake
I have a ctsv with an ls6 with full length headers, corsa full exhaust, a cold air intake and a tune. What can I do to get another 100hp naturally asperated?
cam and fast intake should do that
@@richardholdener1727 any particular cam? Thanks
Anyone have any videos on how to properly install this on a 2005 c6 corvette
intake swaps are easy, but you will be disappointed by the results
@@richardholdener1727 I haven’t found the ways to plug in the lines.
I’m guessing that there are some aftermarket aluminum low rise LS2 intakes that are actually very high quality and made well because I have one in my hands and I’m trying to get it to flex and it’s quite rigid. I know I have to take what you say with a grain of salt at times.
The rigidity is only one of the issues-power production is the other (short runners do not make good average power-only on the top)-I take your comment with a grain of salt
Cuz it looks purty
Just buy a fast LSX 102mm
Do they make a long if these are a short?
not this style
Does boost soften the pulse waves in the intake
NO
@@richardholdener1727 LOL 😂
Who knows how to route this thing onto a c6 corvette.
Mine came with my kit lol. It's ok I guess.
looks plain and simple.
Will we ever see a base k series plastic dual runner intake on a 3 lobe vtec?
3-lobe vtec?
Well … Sometimes… Some of us… Just Ain’t Not Got..I’m Still Running A Cast iron Spread Bore On My 360 Dodge… Don’t Have A Dyno.. But It’s Stock. Turns Over 5500-5700 RPM.//650 Holly dbl pump spread bore// HEDMAN Tubes… oh yeah It’s A Point & Condenser ign..Too.. I’m thinking 270- Mabe 290-. Also CHEVYS SUCK. ASS .. all day ..every day.
actually no, every motor is good
Chevys suck so bad. It's not like millions of people do not swap them in everything 😉. Come on man
@@damageinc81292 MILLIONS & MILLIONS of sheep out there too…Jonny got a SBC SO BILLY BOUGHT ONE TOO THEN TIMMY HEARD BOUT BILLYS SBC& so on. & So On & so on.. I had an 8500 RPM 302 Ford talkin 45 years ago.CAME OUT OF A BOAT.. was actually A Merc marine 302 sbf.. with a backwards cam.. 351 W GT 40 Heads.. ANNDDD An Stock cast iron manifold W 750 DBL Pmp.. & dual points. I was in several Mustangs..I know someone in NY LI OR NYC STILL HAS IT
@@donaldleavy4379 drugs are bad man. Chill
@@damageinc81292 see now that’s an opinion… glad I could help..🙃
See EVEN RITE THIS VERY MINUTE. CHEVYS Blow Dog..All day.. Every Day.. That’s A Fact, I’ve Seen it Lots of Times….So it’s not based on My Opinion…LISTEN… outside you’ll hear too..
that is actually the very definition of an opinion
@@richardholdener1727 is not…
It's the cheapest manifold that will reliably take nitrous I blew a tbss intake and a fast before I bought a jegs fab intake havnt had an issue since
IF YOU BLEW UP COMPOSITE INTAKE (FROM A NITROUS BACKFIRE-I'VE BEEN THERE) YOU NEED TO ADDESS THE TUNE, NOT THE INTAKE STRENGTH
Fast 102 vs msd’s atomic on a Ls3 with heads and cam witch would you recommend
msd doesn't make an atomic for the ls3 and the fast doesn't add any power over the stock ls3-stay with that