ROG Ally is Awesome! But Not Flawless...
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
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We did some deep test on ROG Ally handheld PC, powered by the latest AMD Z1 Extreme chip. Capable of running the most demanding PC games out there, It might be the most powerful handheld on the market! But there's still some trade-off to discuss...
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Video Chapters
0:00 Intro
0:46 Brilliant Intro
1:33 Exterior
4:53 Teardown
5:47 The Chip/Thermal/Battery
8:11 Performance Benchmarks
11:12 Gaming
15:39 Gaming - Emulators
17:01 External GPU
17:30 My Thought
19:24 Outro
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As you have said, an option to disable some CPU cores might be beneficial for improving efficiency, without losing so much performance
They're back when we needed them the most
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If battery matters a lot to you personally I have a few tips.
You'd be surprised how much the total wattage lowers by simply capping the fps and lowering the resolution on it's own. If you cap it to around 40 (For most people totally playable) You're taking away a HUGE burden on the device. You don't really need to lower the HZ because the panel will do that for you if you lower the fps (VRR).
Also, Asus/AMD has updated the firmware on this device increasing performance at lower TDP ranges a LOT. This also means battery life will improve as well because you can play games at lower TDP ranges.
he did the Chinese version 2 weeks ago, the current English version lag behind the BIOS update 🤡
Well, he was using FSR at its fullest so resolution was not the problem but yeah, i prefer going 30 fps at handheld (i got usted to it after a few hours) and send that power to GPU and settings
@@easenst1978 😢broke boy
or just get a steam deck
@@maynardcortes1493 Steam Deck also benefits a lot from using FSR, on some games is required to get 30 fps
I like how you pointed out the controller capable bios - thats neat!
apparently new firmware drivers from asus, boosts its performance at quiet mode 9w significantly
I'm quite surprised LTT didn't though this was software's fault.
I mean compared to the steam alternative how is possible that a worse and way older chip had better performance at low wattage. Senseless.
@@psycho_ch7281 The older chip in the Deck is still faster at lower wattages than the 7840u
Yep, kinda crazy that we’re getting late uploads of old firmware data when the new firmware was made available like 3 days ago. Dave2D and The Phawx are thankfully covering this.
And I believe that the performance overall improved indeed, somewhat matching the 7840U now
Not 9w, a little higher, but also doesn’t match the Deck performance at that level still
Love the fact that 8 Gen 2 grahic is up there with Z1
Snapdragon 3 coming soon
@@mrfarmilkin33heck
imagine having capability of atleast 5x switch, but the most graphically impressive game is a shitty gacha games
mobile game still has a long way to go
@@G11 The reason being, most mobile games target multi platforms (from entry level phone to flagships). And people will more likely buy a $60 triple AAA games on gaming consoles than on mobiles.
Business-wise, the only games that work on mobile is free multiplayer games with “in-app purchase” option. So yeah dev read the data and triple AAA games just a waste of money to develop for mobiles.
Not to mention heat and battery life @@soraaoixxthebluesky
That lettering effects at the early start was cool 👍🏻
Damn even the graphs transitions looks cool!
Man, your editing, graphics and the globale tone are amazing. It's a huge work! Maybe the best review of the ROG Ally on all youtubes' channel. Thanks, it's crystal clear!
your video is surprisingly damn good, music match, infographic, animation and the host delivery is soo on point and jokes was simple haha
Because Bilibili is too difficult to make videos, other UA-camrs are very high in making videos
please upgrade it like that gaming phone software wise like installing tiny 11 etc to make this handheld perfect🔥🔥
I have a Switch and a Steam Deck, and I'm getting the ROG Ally as a complement to them. I love handhelds, and I usually play on a couch, in my office, or in bed, where I have somewhere to be plugged in. This makes the battery life a mostly non-issue for me. I think this will be perfect for me for playing games the Deck can't play. I don't believe it will replace my Steam Deck, but it may be my go-to for a lot of games due to how good its performance is.
Glad ur not a broke deck fanboy
Same for me and I also view this device as something I can use for Xbox PC Gamepass without having to rely on streaming those games or playing them solely on my desktop PC
Bro believe me the steam deck are still better & versatile
I’m ready for this beast but also I’m planning to get the 399 SD instead oled switch and I will upgrade by my self but they Awsome pc handheld
Lil bro is rich
Really tempted to pick one up, but I'll wait for the next refined iteration after everyone else has helped work out the kinks on this first attempt.
The AOKZOE A1 Pro is a contender too. It's IGG campaign just got extended for a week, so the early-bird pricing is still decent. Has a bigger screen, more RAM, and huge battery compared to Ally, but only 60Hz.
don't forgot:
less offiical support, bad warrenty or fimware updates and also not the community support mostly only Steamdeck and rog ally. Buy the Rog its way better.
@@AP101083 ROG Ally released with many dead sticks, huge dead zone issues, overheating SD cards, FW update that reduced performance from review units, glitchy AC software, screen fell off, and many other problems. It was the most-returned product in the history of BestBuy. Meanwhile, my A1 Pro is flawless. So glad I didn't go with the ROG.
@@Darrylx444rog product is good, bit questionable on terms of build quality, A lot of rog phone dead or the wifi stop working
About how many times the igpus performance would u get with the xg mobile 6850
Subscribed! Amazing video, will you please update data in a future video to cover the performance upgrades with latest firmwares?
Best review out there is yours. Congrats and keep the good work. Love from Brazil.
Awesome video… I love review over the device. I can’t wait till my preorder is ready
The battery technology is not up to spec yet so it's best to carry a powerbank when using these handhelds for now
I gotta say this is one of my favorite channels first of all.
what if you wounderful people tried something like a light version of windows Revios or GhostSpectre.
Or even better, Steamos or CachyOs (Arch based) and tried some diffrent kernels with diffrent schedulers.
it might give you some more room to tweak the system :)
The Ally is a device I wish to get in the future after it lanches
You guys are the best at such reviews. I always wait for your vides before judging the products 😊
Adding extra cells would create more heat where the hands rest, and thermal imaging shows the heat is only apparent in the screen
Yo, I'm loving these more frequent uploads. Keep it up!
I beg you plz upload more content weekly 😭😭
Is the performance before or after the latest firmware releases? Performance went up a lot in the last week.
That was before, you could tell with his command center that doesn’t have the volume bar for example
cool video. i didnt really know about the last part
Did you notice a performance drop when the RGB rings were on? Seems like extra power draw would slightly hinder performance.
Wish they made a version of the Z1 extreme with 6 CPU cores and the same GPU
If they make it easy to disable cores i wont mind but i prefer 4 cores for 60 fps (sometimes i just use 2 cores and go max at 30-40😅)
There's a 7640u with 6 cores and better gpu performance than the Z1. I have no idea why ASUS didn't go for that in the entry level version.
Soon you can have an option to disable cpu cores via armoury crate. Asus says they're working on it on a livestream.
@@geforce5591I think there are two versions of the Z1 with the lower powered version being a 6 core/ 12thread similar to a 7640.
Great video. Love your enthusiasm. Subbed.
I wonder what the performance would be on 720p. Still haven’t been able to fix a review that shows performance on both resolutions
PLEASE make it just like you ungraded the redmi phone, would be really cool to see, especially upgrading battery & since it can go above ~45W, we can add better cooling or smth and take the 120 fps advantage, will be waiting for that :)
Wow, you now get a proper content sponsor. Keep going.
Also what about 7040s bug on unable to wake up after sleep?
Love your charts. The section on performance could have been handled differently but overall I liked the structure of most of your charts over other reviews I have seen.
have one on preorder from Best Buy, looking forward to getting it on the 12th. even have a 1tb nvme 4.0 SSD for it
the go to channel for Great CPU benchmarks for x86 or ARM. excellent work as always 👌.
How does this compare to the stream deck at launch?
As someone who's been using handheld PCs for a while now, I realize that battery life is not that big of an issue. I thought I would be gaming for long hours which isn't the case even on trips. May be on flights or as a passenger but 65w power banks are cheap now or the plane has outlets. Most PC games that takes hrs to play require mouse and keyboard which means you're likely tethered/docked.
Is this review pre updates with better battery/performance?
yes it would be a good idea to disable some of it's processor core.
and i would also see the performance of custom os like AtlasOS in this handheld pc.
I really like your videos man. It's informative and entertaining at the same time. The only downside is you don't upload that often in this channel. And your main channel doesn't have English subtitles. 😢
m.youtube.com/@geekerwan1024
or 极客湾geekerwan in bilibili
Thank you for the great review.
you should try undervolting it then running it at lower than 15 watts and see if it gets better performance
You're finally back!
I must be missing something - what's the point of having FSR on when you're running the games at full resolution?
I just discovered your channel with this video. Excellent review! Subscribing :)
Amazing review you guys
Does it have a sleep option. “Pick up where you left off” ?
Excellent video, thanks!😀
Please make a comparison with SD with latest update of Ally
Bring Continuous Content.❤
His smile and enthusiaim are contagious 😊
Did you use the latest bios update? It supposedly raises performance by 15-20 % especially at lower tdp modes. Dave2d did a bit of coverage on it.
Still not better than the deck below 10watts, games at 9w are now almost playable on the ally instead of completely unplayable
17:55 wtf Aokana... absolutely BASED
what about after sales support? such as replaceable buttons and joysticks, ASUS' Armory Crate updates, etc? If this don't last long, I'll just go to Steam Deck.
Also, can we turn off that RGB lights in joystick? that still consumes power.
welcome back evsane channel phone overclocking videos, we need it again, you will be the one who popularized it.
it's exciting to see handheld devices evolving so quickly!
pls conpare this to the others handheld like aokzoe,gpd win 4 and ayaneo 2s
We need new DIY gaming phone video with the latest SD 8gen2.
Valve: zen2 +Rdna2 quad channel RAM custom chip
Asus: a 7840U with the AI part disabled meant it's a custom chip right?
Rather ROG Ally Z1 Extreme more premium and hardware like better speakers and cooling system for only 699 USD at any time. Plus i have Asus service center at my city.
I want to get the tablet pc they made and connect a usb c controller
Wow the deck gets better fps on cyberpunk at 15w thats wild
Why doesn't ROG use arm soc?
Isn't it befitting the handheld design?
This channel is quality not quantity.
10:57 Didn't expected 8Gen 2 here.
if i ever had this I would buy packs of powerbanks and bring them with me, and use them with PD for ultimate portability, if one runs out, i could just swap with another one
could you talk about the snapdragon 8 gen 3 please ?
Hello Geekerwan, nin deleted your video about "some fun" their tegra x1 based device. Could you please reupload it somewhere? THANKS IN ADVANCE!
I wanna see some Ally vs Switch benchmarks!
Hat if you tried to lower resolution?
Can you do about a video on steamdeck performance on windows?
Os vídeos desse canal, são incríveis.
Great video man
How about making a battery more capacity than the one ROG provided?
This guy has such quality videos I expected him to have more than 1 Million subscribers 😮
I think you should've played older pc games at high or max settings just to show that this is more powerful than a 2014 desktop pc.
And as for the battery consumption, it isn't really a problem for me because I always connect it to a TV, so I play cuphead and other indie games on it while it's charging. I connect it via HDMI. And I then connect Xbox controllers and play cuphead 2 player coop.
I think the device shines this way, cause when not home I just take the device with me to work and plug it into the monitor and play games while it's charging or plugged in.
So I don't think ASUS meant it to be a mobile" device. It's more a powerful gaming machine that you can fit into a small bag and can take everywhere with you. And yest if you want you can play in handheld.
I also think it's good to plug it into non smart TVs and start watching movies and UA-cam and other things.
I think these machines are more for indie games rather than triple A games. But when it comes to old and very old pc games, it's a champ! I mean you can play black ops 2 on it! At max settings! At 60fps! So....... That's impressive to me.
This device is only cool to me as being able to play couch co op with my wife and child, I already do this with the deck and it does work good, but with the ally it would be a big improvement for docked gaming, otherwise the deck is just a better portable device with good battery life.
I would prefer no on board speakers for bigger battery
Did you test BOTW on Steam deck too? I loved that
can i play my games (cod mobile) (warrobots) directly in google play with rog ally without downloading an additional emulator?? So can I play android games directly with ally without an emulator??
Why can't we get the same performance in a Laptop with dedicated 2GB MX350 graphics?
Any TOTK data ?
More videos bro.... Amazing videos
Can't wait to get it upgraded by you 🙂💯 do it!!!
The comparison between the z1 extreme, the apple m1/m2 chip and the snapdragon 8 gen 2 was very good to put in the video! you are pro! only thing you couldve added was the wattage that each chip uses on average. I couldn't find a comparison anywhere. This shows that arm chips can have x86 performance with lower wattage consumption. We need a ROYALTY FREE / OPEN SOURCE / FREE OF LICENCING COST soc chip thats good enough to be used in all upcoming gaming handhelds. I hope some manufacturers in China can bring mobile chips architecture with no LICENCING FEE to the market!! i was cheering for huaweis kirin chip but poor huawei got trade bans and havent seen a newer versions of their chips here. I wanna play good AAA games like resident evil 4 remake and the best games on a mobile SoC 120hz locked minimum power lost at heat in a handheld that feels lile steam deck / wii u gamepad. Oh and the games shuld be well optimised like nintendo does and shuld be cheap or all games free with gamepass thats cheap
You are asking for something that sounds impossible, like 4k gaming on a handheld.
The reason also is because the Z1 Extreme/7840U has a massive CPU side as well. It's almost as fast as a desktop Ryzen 7 7700 or laptop i7-13700H. So it is not as laser focused as it could be for gaming. 4 core 8 threads would've been better. And also x86 chips are just more versatile as they pack a far wider instruction set compared to ARM and that makes x86 less efficient in many cases. This CPU also supports AVX-512 which is why the PS3 emulation is so good!
@@DeepteshLovesTECH yeah we need a gaming focused SoC with an Architecture especially made for only gaming, no hdmi out or media accelerators build in. It shuld be even more efficient than ARM64. Chip containing Only GPU's and just enough CPU to play all games at 120hz and like a fast wifi chip inside too obvious reasons.
Nick work. I didn't know you have an English channel.
videolara türkçe altyazi seçeneği ekler misiniz izlerken zorluk çekiyorum 😢
finally a video after 4 months
Custom cooling and overclocking
Yes i demand a video HAHAHA
Then Genshin Impact
都有sponsor了，希望以后UA-cam多更新！
Does it has anti-cheat problems playing genshin or star rail like steamdeck?
No its windows.
wow you earned a sub! Great video
Please for experiment, extreme overclock Ally Rog memory and gpu?
5:12 i think it’s because they wanted to make it lighter than the steam deck. I wonder if you can mod in a bigger battery?
Why not? But it will be hard to pull off.
Just slap a bulky power brick on it which makes it harder to carry around and you're good 😂
Best handheld atm hands down!
If Doogee can cram an 81wh battery into the V MAX, there's no excuse for Asus not putting a decent capacity battery into their handheld game console
At the moment, the support is going to suck for this device unlike the steam deck, literally a Google search away from the most complex hiccups. I'm still picking this up though, need some personal comparisons between it and the steam deck
Why bother putting it to 1080p and using fsr ultra performance? That's quite misleading since internally the game is rendering at a much more resolution...
Here we go! 💜
imagine 780m with fsr3 framegen @9w = 60-120fps
Waiting for those performance charts 😂
Lol yes 😂
At full load ally destroy deck but at lower tdp deck performs better
@@zomg346Dave2D released a video showing the Ally with newer FW and it now outperformed the SD at nearly all power settings, roughly on par at 9W
@@Riverpeth that’s awesome
@@Riverpeth No it does not. At 10 watts and lower the Deck still wins, also the Ally can't go below 10 watts.
I'd wait for The Phaux to release a video about the new drivers for reliable testing