Old striking techniques of Jujutsu were elite, here's why...
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
- This video discusses the old striking method of Japanese Jujutsu, and how efficient it is for life threatening situations and self defense.
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Chani you have brought back my spirit from the underworld. I had given up on life as my back was in constant pain and my knee and ankle needed major surgery. I am 50 and had given up on life. Your videos reminded me of a lifetime of Martial arts training in the Japanese (Judo, karate), Chinese, Korean, and Brazilian arts (Gracie Jiu-jitsu). I have a new outlook because of YOU! I am getting my spinal surgery next month and my knee surgery after that. I will slowly and carefully get back on the mat and in the Dojo because of you! Thank you and God bless you! Do mo aregato! Oss!
Awesome! Keep that spirit alive. Thank you
As a striker myself, I’m most comfortable when I’m touching my opponent and he’s NOT touching me. As a grappler you’ll like it most when your opponent IS touching you. This is a key thing to think about. The intention behind every strike is more important than the strikes themselves. Do I want to hit and keep my distance, or do I want to hit then close the distance. Things to think about
This only counts for traditional boxing technique? Karate style blitzing is sth different bc if the distance
I started with Judo/Jujitsu so being close is second nature. I was taught open hand strikes but we also did tradition Shotokan punch/kick drills. I was breaking boards at 12. One has to find the balance of what is appropriate for the situation you find yourself in.
As a former boxer who was extremely fortunate enough to be trained by an outstanding heavyweight boxer out of philly who came from a literal family tree of pro boxers. The punches themselves are not designed to do anything other than damage, its the movements after or before that dictate.
I'm a striker. I prefer to have my Oppenents arms or legs pressed into while I strike.
Better to be skilled in all ranges.
These strikes were the basis of the ww2 commando unarmed combat and were still being taught in the 90’s.Gross movement’s,easy to learn and EFFECTIVE!fairburn &sykes.Badass
gross movements also change the structure to be more durable too changing the chain and muscle activation to hit too.
this is why old school martial arts were pretty effective but people don't like the conditioning and rush it or just quit leading to a less effective art leading to the art being ignored and the world losing a solid art
fairbairn based a lot of his stuff on baguazhang as well.
No striking without grappling, no grappling without striking.
End the fight while standing and not on the ground.
Boxing is enough with good footwork to maintain distance.
@@Pikee the best thing I did to my strike was to learn about grappling. I don't take the fight to grappling but I learn to stay in strike or getting out fast when someone try to bring me to grappling. But just managed to do that after understanding and learning grappling.
You can always prefer one to other but need to known and understand both to stay in your preferred ground
@@Pikee I love boxing, and I believe it’s very practical and street applicable. However, a good wrestler can wreak havoc on a boxer in a street fight, which would be devastating. Thus, everyone should know grappling basics. Lastly, I think BJJ is overrated and no applicable to street fighting. I think Judo and wrestling are far superior to it.
Yes. This cannot be emphasized enough.
I've always wondered why Kyokushin Karate doesn't get more respect for street self defence. No face punching is an issue- but learning to throw strikes effectively without gloves is surely a huge plus.
If people want proof, tell them to find a video titled "Bushiken Karate instructor Randall Ephraim stops criminal in Charlotte" for context.
No face punching is the sport version
Classic old School kyokushin striking that comes from Okinawa lineage. The sport aspects don't let people see the true nature of the art.
Does Kyokushin get disrespect? Def. hitting with barehands/being with with them is a valuable skill in a street fight.
@@watamutha I've seen people dismiss it because of lack of face punches.
1:50 - Closed fist
2:40 - Open palm strikes
2:45 - Striking surfaces
4:45 - Kicks
5:50 - Drills
6:30 - Headbutt
Uppercut palm strike to chin is highly underrated
Hell yeah. You can frame and push off immediately after like Liston did.
Not by anyone who has felt it...
Yeah, they usually end with a KO. Either the base of the skull slams the Medulla oblongata (central nervous system) or they turn their head and the corner of the jaw hits the neck pressure point. Both = nap time.
Headbutts are a real threat...great video Chadi! Thats something to explore more
I love this channel! Content is fantastic and has subtitles in Brazilian Portuguese, Congratulations on the work!
This is a very good channel. Chadi has a perspective and material that no one else carries. I am not a grappler per se but IMO this channel really bridges the gap between sport and martial combat.
I've been researching and pondering about this very subject for the last few weeks, also reassessing what it truly means to practice Jiu-Jitsu. I'm starting to learn the true meaning, it's not just looking for the perfect roll its so much more...
Ju jitsu is empty hand combat for soldiers in Japanese Imperial eras. It was always a back-up for when you've lost your weapon with the ultimate outcome being to kill your opponent. The BJJ rubbish that has unfortunately stolen the name of this ancient art is nowhere near what jujitsu is meant to do. There is still legitimate jujitsu from Japan that has nothing to do with the floor massage techniques the Gracie's slopped together. You would do yourself some good if you researched 'stand-up' or Japanese jujitsu styles and see for yourself how flexible this system has always been.
@@J3unG I'll definitely research it but I guarantee you bjj and newaza in general is not floor massaging. Hadaka jime will put you to sleep so you cannot do battle, juji gatame can break the arm making the sword useless, etc. We also do 50% standup in my bjj gym it's very judo heavy and I do judo on top of that. We do the same techniques as any jujutsuka just with live resistance. Have you tried Gracie jiu jitsu before? Very standup heavy
@@J3unG Casual detected.
Gracie jujitsu is just kodokan judo. They still have a lot of classic jiujitsu in it. Though it has less emphasis on destruction and more on control. Jiujitsu however every move used to be to either kill or maim an opponent. Nothing wrong with BJJ but calling it jiujitsu would be a bit of a stretch.
@danielkeizer4174 like I said, the moves in the curriculum of bjj are meant to either kill an opponent or make them unable to fight. Hadaka jime, Sankaku jime, Okuri eri jime along others can put someone to sleep in seconds. A good ude garami and the person cannot use their arm. It is like samurai jiu jitsu but the Katana and Tantō no longer have the influence on training as they once did so now we modify it with Gracie jiu jitsu and bjj curriculum for headlocks, attempted body Slams, haymakers, and other more modern combatives that are relative to a fight you would see nowadays
More important then the type of hand is the target. Bas Rutten knocked many out with a open palm strike to the jaw line. Kinda left out the ridge hand which is very devastating.
One of the things I love about small circle jujitsu is how they explain the weaknesses of the body and how to hurt them. The double knuckle is used on pressure points. Some are striking points.
The thing about pressure points is feeling is believing.
I've been training Judo for over 10+ years. A Shodan and we cross train Traditional Japanese Ju Jitsu at our club to keep the real world self defense going. I've used my training and believe me it will help you when you need it
I have just come across this video.....all I have to say is keep putting out the great content man. The analysis is fantastic and logical - it appeals to and appeases a karateka like myself!
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Chadi, did you ever do a video about the UFC fight between Jake Shields and Yoshihiro Akiyama? Akiyama had some absolutely incredible throws with unusual set ups. Cheers
@Chadi, the worse hand injury I have is from a hammer fist impacting the smallest metacarpals knuckle (5th metacarpal distal end) striking full power and hitting a cocaine flying gang member on the rounded part of his head because he was frantically moving to avoid the follow up strikes after my first shot knocked him down.
Don't believe the hype. The hammer fist breaks against hard, rounded, targets impacting upon the weakest knuckle of the 5th metacarpal.
Ouch!😖
Totally agree! I was surprised in the illustration that basically the pinky was shown as the striking surface. I was always taught to use the edge of the hand like with a knife hand strike.
I was taught to hit with hard parts of the body against soft targets and with soft parts against hard targets. The hammer fist always with the centre and NEVER with the "pinky knuckle". And when in doubt always hit with soft parts as the target is moving and you never know.
I always focus on self defense, to the point where I trained with a "boxing" coach that made us hit the pads with bare fists because "you don't wear boxing gloves on the street".
Yes, only beginners make this mistake. The only knuckles you want to use when hitting a harder target are the knuckles of the index finger and middle finger. But better use the hand palm to hit hard targets. Or elbow.
Can confirm. Hitting with the pinky or knuckle is a bad day not soon forgotten.
Number 5 hand shape is used in Choy Lay Fut. Known as a Charp Choi it is predominantly used for soft targets, throat, diaphragm etc. Pretty brutal strike
According to a Japanese black belt I follow, Karate blocks can be used as strikes.
Great stuff Chadi!!
The problem is that you do not spar with these strikes in jj so you wont be effective outside a pre emptive strike. Rickson wouldnt have a clue about stand up striking.
We do light sparing with these strikes at our school (Japanese jujitsu) but basically just finding placement. Power is used on bags. Sparing is just a drill though. Not a pressure test to see what word. Just doesn’t work like that. So you don’t need to spar strikes or techniques in order for them to work when you need them.
@@jjs3890 you certainly do need to spar with anything for it to reliably work,people who have never sparred full contact get a big shock when they are hit and also find they have no timing on strikes under pressure.
@@scarred10the reason there is no real sparring has mainly to do with targets and the used un cushioned hand. Like an inside chop to the side of the neck will at least knock out some one, but could also result in a serious neck injury. Also striking throats or elbows joints isn't too safe either. There is no real way to train a lot of the classical jiujitsu. Some throws you never really execute because there is no way to roll out of them and you would end up killing your training partner. It's difficult to train an art that concentrates on annihilation of an opponent. It's not a sport nor really an art. It's military combat.
I think some of these hand strikes are underrated. Close or at least closer in as you say is better. The further away the greater the risk of impacting hard bony areas. Also as more preemptive strikes rather than once your t’ing off with someone. The knife hand or shuto and a lower palm strike is a particularly effective I think. Jon Bluming the famous Dutch Karate/Judo master has talked about this.
Also, the ability and determination to stay upright and aware of what is coming at you, unlike the turtling you see in this fight. If course easier said than done. I suspect boxers and Muay Thai guys are generally better at it ,as they should be, once it _does_ t off so to speak.
I really wish you'd link the videos you use clips from in the description
THANKS YOU !!
finally somebody shows that Orginial Jiu Jitsu is a real elf defense martial arts with Dangerous strikes !!
Aka jujutsu
Chadi, you are distinguished by your choices and your extensive information about Japanese martial arts, especially judo. I wish you health and safety. You are number one in the world of martial arts.
I would caution against head butts. I have seen several people who became quadriplegic after hitting a wall or tree branch with relatively minor force-just caught the wrong angle. The hammer blow is more safely done with the fleshy part of the fist (same as a blade hand), not the wrist or little finger!
Why were people head-butting walls and tree branches? Combat sambo uses headbutts, granite they have head gear with great success. There is a method and situations for it.
@@jjs3890 Agree! I was just trying to point out that you need to be trained as to how to do is correctly and safely.
I think when it comes to self defense in the modern era, if you are confident you can get the hit, and end the fight, strike with your fist. A broken hand will heal and it will cause more damage.. The reason for the karate chop, palm strikes and elbows etc. was because the vast majority of people used to work with their hands and the result of a broken hand was not being able to provide for your family.
2:37 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Hammer fists and open palm strikes ALL DAY in self defense
One of the GOATs or arguably thee GOAT for some people, Floyd Mayweather is a great example. Boxing since childhood, matrix like ability to see the fight, knows how to land but not get hit, hands wrapped by professionals and he STILL tweaked his right wrist to the point it affected his KO ability in future fights. He’s an amazing fighter but if Floyd, with his history/pedigree/abilities tweaks his wrist, what make you think a regular citizen will be able to land a fist efficiently to stop an attack and not get injured
I remember the Philadelphia SWAT member telling me about self defense over just a martial art. He said “Punches are bb pellets. Elbows and head butts are canon balls. You’re going to always end up in grappling distance. Headbutt, elbow or heel palm strike to protect your knuckles and wrist”
Very beneficial street combat
Guys, check out my second oldest video (title: Full Contact Karate in Early MMA) for examples. Those open-hand methods from TMA turn out to be applicable in freestyle format which doesn't include MMA gloves. They can actually damage others.
As a kid I was very small. In school I was being bullied and I loved the movie blood sport. 😂 so I did what I saw in the movies and palm struck a bigger kid in the sternuim.... I'm swear to God he lifted off the ground a foot and landed on his back got up and was really nice and asked where I learned it. I didn't say anything and was humble and friendly and got out of their.... I just liked karate movies. I never tried it again and honestly I was afraid and not entirely sure how I exactly preformed it. It was a moment of desperation. That's it. Glad nobody got hurt.
This is pretty interesting. A lot of the strikes are similar to kung fu strikes. The emphasis is def. different, as judoka/jiu jitsu use it more to get in to throw or to strike when someone is immobilized.
Esses vídeos em japonês são na Kodokan casa do judô. E as técnicas de chutes e socos ainda estão presentes no judô dentro dos katas de faixas pretas, são chamadas de atemi waza (ataque em pontos vitais). O Judô continua sendo o estilo de Jujutsu (jiujitsu para o ocidente) com maior número de técnicas.
damn just found your channel, putting work in. looking forward to browsing through your content!
Awesome content.
In the Marine Corps we were taught to use open palm strikes because if you broke your hand on someone's head and your hand , fingers, wrist, etc., Breaks, your ability to shoot a pistol of rifle with effectiveness is compromised. I remember taking boxing lessons and classes as well as some MMA lessons and I kept trying to reconcile that MMA and boxing are fights yes, but still sports. Wrapped hands and gloves protect the hands. In "real life" are you walking around with taped hands and boxing gloves? Bas Rutten's palm strikes had plenty of force behind them. The one caveat is that for a huge boxer with explosive power such as Mike Tyson , he certainly has strong hands, and ability to devastate someone with bare hands (punches). However, if you have smaller wrists and hands, it would be in your best interest to use palm strikes, eye gouges, elbows, etc. In a stand-up altercation. I also feel that for legal grounds, a palm strike or hard slap has less chance or severely injuring or killing a human, if that person was to fall and hit concrete from your blows.
your final comment makes no sense....doesn't matter how opponent hits the concrete (punch, slap, throw, trip) they can still crack their head.
I have never really understood why BJJ doesn't include more punching, especially in standup. Even just tapping each other would be better than nothing
Because it's basis is kodokan judo. Wich has no real striking. They learn some basic defense against large movements. But bjj is basically older judo with more joint locks and chokes that were taken out of the curriculum later.
I love the video but I do want to disagree with ONNNNNNE thing: You can absolutely break your hand with a hammer fist. I've done it. Broke the knuckle, specifically - also it was a side hammer fist, so not even as much force as one coming down. I'd say as a lifelong striker hammerfists, a proper chop, and ridgehands (in particular) are really under-utilized. But from a 'don't break your hand' safety-standpoint I'd say your absolute best in my personal experience is going to be palm strikes (which I hate). Even with conditioning my middle knuckle as a recurring fracture if I hit too hard with a traditional two-knuckle style punch so frequently I use more wrist-aligned 'bottom three' knuckle (chinese style) punches. Really depends on your hands and how hard you hit I guess. To finish up - I will say hammer fists generally speaking are *reasonably* safe but nothing is foolproof when it comes to breaking small digits.
Every block should be a strike. Both stopping the opponent from striking you but also choosing which party of your body you are using to both weaken their ability to attack and to capitalise on your position. Blocks are also strikes into frames. Too many people seem to think a block is just to stop from getting hit. No, the block should also be causing pain to your opponent.
Definitely don't swing your head back and then forwards. That's a mistake a lot of people make because of what movies teach us and has physiological ramifications. Use position and level to spear the hardest part of your head into the softest part of theirs. You also don't have to hit someone very hard with a headbutt to do a lot of damage. Traditional jujutsu was designed to hurt and to kill, that's the entire methodology behind the techniques. Most of the issue with traditional jujutsu now is that choreographed response of your opponent not doing anything while you do what you like to them. Without the pressure testing of effective sparring, it's functionally useless. Add the sparring and pressure testing and it's a highly effective art for hurting and killing.
Knife hands, hammer fists, and palm strikes are great options for hitting with less chance of hurting your hand or wrist, especially for a novice striker.
Kicks to the knee are also a good option that we tend to not think of because sport fighting usually bans them. That said, if the idea is to disrupt their balance rather than to cause damage, I would aim for the hip since it moves less and is an easier target.
In a street situation, aiming for the hip is not that practical.
Uneven pavement, shards of broken glass, various items on the sidewalk that shall disrupt your balance .
I'm a striker, if you don't know how to use you will likely break your pinky finger
What I (preach) teach. The majority of this I learned from my systems, and the practical use of them. Good topic
Peace
Thanks Strikes from hands and feet are necessary for self defense Grappling is a great skill to have but a street fight may involve more than 1person So u may have to modify it Thanks for showing this
Boxing is enough for street defense and to beat any other martial art, it is the best !
@@sebozz2046 I witnessed a boxer break his knuckles in a street fight when the opponent reactively lowered his face and the boxers had was squashed on the top of his head. It’s a completely different thing when there are no wraps or gloves on. Boxers cover to deflect strikes also become less effective without gloves when opponents fist can fit between the arms and hands.
Great advice on keeping your hands safe here, UNLESS you're into iron palm or makiwara training. (Which I don't think is really necessary to begin with and possibly damages you internally) Thank you.
kuzushi and atemi before technique. Even Aikido will work if you knee the groin or poke the eyes beforehand.
Great stuff! Many thanks :)
Principle: " A closed fist is best done at a close range" followed by valid logic.
Bonjour Chadi,
Ta vidéo m'a fait penser à un livre que j'avais lu sur les atemis au judo : "Judo Okuden, les secrets de l'efficacité" de Loïc Blanchetête aux éditions Budo Editions.
Bonnes fêtes à toi.
Très bonne idée ! Je le regarderais
Bonne fêtes à vous 🙇🏻♂️
Thank you sir
Old School
Refinement (more data, improvements)
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I'm sure it's all been taken care of by now. (enough experience, talk and debate) to fill a library.
Elbow is effective in solar plexus leading to hammer fist to the groin, also elbow to the temple wrapping arm around the neck and using led to kick the opponent over in a barrel roll or go with the motion and end up on top. This can also be done with a choke hold.
Fun fact, those remind me a lot of the strikes the local old-school fighters use (except the side low kick to the knee).
@Chadi - I just wanted to point you out to this video, which shows a very similar approach...from old-school (pre-gloves) boxing.
ua-cam.com/video/eXZNrpWA0z4/v-deo.html
Bas and even Marco Ruas would take the back, flatten them out, and pancakecrazy the back of the cabeza with open palms!
GOOD OLD DAYS!
I practice bagua zhang and its designed to be a wrestling and palm striking art.
palms can be used safely and repeatedly.
Hammer strikes are a great way to break your pinky. Better to do it with a forearm blow. I would also severely caution someone when using headbutts. You're almost as likely to hurt yourself just as much or if not more than the other person.
Condition your hands. You shouldn't be using your pinky for hammerfists anyways. Use the meaty part of your hand.
Atemi Waza?
Gesundheit!
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@@jjs3890 I know, I was being sarcastic lol
First 2 knuckles on chin double hips= goodnight, sorry to sound arrogant but i was taught by Geoff Thompson, another great vid from judokas perspective keep it up Chadi.
Muitas dessas técnicas vieram do Karate-Do para o Judo e no Rio de Janeiro os Gracies não tinham conhecimento e muito menos intinidade com elas. Teisho(borda da palma da mão) Shuto(faca da mão) Shihon nukite(pontas dos dedos) tetsui(martelo da mão) nihon nukite(dois dedos nos olhos), técnicas com as falangea doa dedos como hiraken,ippon ken, nakadaka ken também não dominavam nem conheciam e assim por diante. Nem mesmo os estilos de Jujutsu traducionais doninavam com a maestria que o Karate em Okinawa e o Kung Fu na China dominavam.
Aqui no Brasil e no Rio de Janeiro principalmente, a família Gracie ignirava a profundidade deasea detalhes e aeua socos, chutes e cotoveladas eram limitados. Depois de consagrados é fácil alegar que existe de tudo na arte deles e estilo deles!
It's really weird seeing Rickson demonstrating using karate striking techniques for self-defense. I practiced all those techniques (except headbutts, I did those in kali) in karate. Not that long ago I remember the Gracies' videos vs karate practitioners talking about how BJJ was superior. They've come full circle from bashing TMA to promoting them.
Same lmao
Same way as you practice in gi to become a better grappler you practice in wraps and gloves to become a better boxer.
You can train endless grappling drills/kata, but without sparring your judo/bjj is basically aikido. Looks cool but you are doing none of that stuff ever when you most need it. Same with striking. You can strike air, bag or a pad until your arms bleed, but you need to get into the ring to be able to actually do it.
When you can strike a jab or a hook and land where you are suppose to, then these palm strikes or whatever are a piece of cake. Yeah bodyshots are amazing, but ever actually done them hard on a moving target? Not as easy as it looks.
So yes striking is important, but best way to learn it is to join a boxing gym (ok I’m sure MMA/that/KB are good as well, but I happen to be biased) actually learning to strike. Same as if you are a striker you need to humble yourself and go to learn how to grapple.
Superb marketing strategy of Brazilian Jujitsu made it almost invincible to all other martial arts.. that particularly concentrated striking .. that grappling is superior art .. but the mother art japanese aiki jujitsu did incorporate striking as well.. grappling alone does not make a complete fighter.. neither does striking . and that is why there is MMA..
元々、柔道は総合格闘技だった
武術としての柔道を紹介しているのは良い
ありがとうございました
I would say that these strikes are less from classical Jujutsu and more from the self defence kata of classical Judo.
The emphasis for striking in many of the classical Jujutsu schools, was based around the principle of atemi. The way I describe it, is as a method of striking that enables you to continue a movement. For instance, if you want to perform a hip throw, you need to be able to load your opponent's structure, onto you own. If you were to pull the opponent's arm and then strike to their ribs, the resulting flinch will create an opening in their body structure, that will allow you to more easily enter and throw.
Atemi could be considered a way of softening up a target, or removing their resistance. It causes a reaction, offers you a momentary window of opportunity to take the opponent down. Some atemi are brutal, some are only intended to sting.
When it comes to classical Jujutsu, the focus was primarily on an opponent trying to kill you with a blade, or restraining your wrists to prevent you from drawing your own blade. Someone trying to directly throw a punch at you, wasn't really a concern, as Samurai should always be armed and ready to draw their swords. If someone were to attempt to simply punch one, they risk being cut down. Samurai arts were designed for time period they were developed in and have to be looked at through that lens.
One other thing to note, when it comes to traditional kata, there are many movements that are symbolic, or can be considered place holder movements. For instance, the chopping strike on a downed opponent isn't a knife hand strike. It represents drawing your short sword and hacking your opponent to death.
Yes and no. Strikes often were used as an opening for a throw or lock. But koppojutsu, dakken tai jutsu, Kenpo and other older styles that later were absorbed into “jujitsu” used these strikes commonly centuries before judo was created.
@@jjs3890 Kodokan Judo predates Japanese kenpo. Both koppojutsu and dakken tai jutsu are arts found in the Bujinkan, they have questionable historical legitimacy.
Jujutsu is a rather generic term used to describe all classical forms of combative, unarmed samurai fighting arts.
@@frankbrown4780finally someone knows what their talking about..thank you for saving me time
Always hit the soft part of the body. Neck, eyes, temple, solar plexus.
Sensei Julio Toribio of Seibukan Jujutsu would knock out a person by precise fast strikes on the side of the neck. He taught nerve attacks as finishing moves.
Is there a link to that Vala tudo match in this video? Thanks.
This is not elite striking. The Judokas' atemi don't look at all like strikes. Rickson's back swinging hammer fist maybe. The illustration of the hammer fist striking surface is how one breaks.and/or dislocates their little finger.
Essentially, because you are a high level grappler in jiujitsu, judo, and Aikido, you're likely not going to be familiar with the fundamentals of good striking, and that's ok. But it's essential to practice goshinjitsu against a very good striker -- boxer, karateka, taekwondojin, etc. This is because reading not only wild, drunken, or unskilled punches is important, but also recognizing several kinds of very well-executed strikes will ensure that you can walk away after the other person throws a straight jab to your filtrum and a reverse punch to your solar plexus. It's less likely to be what's coming at you than the wild haymaker, but if it does happen that they throw straight punches with no wind-up, you're going to get beat. I don't mean you'll lose, I mean you're going to be pummeled and severely injured.
Train striking from legit striking authorities, not from grapplers and not from that book.
Are you still in Japan?
Koryu Ju jutsu has a lot of very effective strikes that don't need hand pillows...Just look at Tyson knocking out MItch Green outside the ring... he broke his hand and he was a pro. I box and practice old school Ju Jutsu. Old bare knuckle boxing was very similar to the Jap arts. All those different type of fists do work but you have to train them.
@@CuchulainAD wow, very impressive.
@@themaverickblackbelt8054 yea I know don't knock it till you try it kid lol 😂😂😂😂
@@CuchulainAD not knocking it
Open hand strikes from old jujitsu was used by the military until congress demanded a non lethal h2h fighting system be used. Broken knuckles = a uselessly hand. If multiples suddenly happens then your not wearing your knuckles put. The open hand strikes are also far more devastating hence why they are illegal in many competitive fighting. They are not an option with hand pillows. But for self defense, they are far more superior.
I used to train palm heel hook strikes as hard as possible on the heavy bag in a university gym when no one was around. I could hit much harder than punches. After just 2 sessions of 25 strikes, the bag started leaking sand and the staff took the bag down and never replaced it 😔 I was the only striker in the 10 years the bag was hung to rip the seams.
This is curious that you highlight BJJ as a highlight for exponents of Atemi Waza. I have never seen BJJ exhibit any of these skills. I rather see directly from Kodokan Practitioners. BJJ is more associated with the grappling aspect of judo.
Was it just me or was rickson Gracie's obi tied incorrectly? 🤔
I’ve seen more than one video of him in which he ties his belt so that both “wraps“ around the body are not included in the knot. I’ve never seen a reason given as to why, but I wonder if it is so people can’t easily use the belt to move him around in BJJ. In karate or aikido the belt mostly never gets grabbed onto, and in judo I believe you can get penalized if your uniform keeps falling open too much, but in BJJ it is super common for the uniform to be wide open and the belt fallen off completely. There’s a good deal of BJJ in which the belt gets grabbed, but if the whole belt isn’t tied together it usually just moves around and the person is unaffected. I wonder if he purposely ties it that way so it can’t be used against him.
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Number one goes under the arm pit we use it in Kenpo Karate it's called clutching Feathers American Kenpo Karate
Todos los golpes que dices están en karate y el golpe de dedos estirados lo puedes usar como lanza o para causar cegera
3:45 These hands are in Karate, and they predate Jujitsu. 3 is Leopard Fist in the old Chinese Kung Fu.
These hands are in koppojutsu, daken taijutsu, Kenpo, sumo and others that were absorbed into Jujitsu upon its creation. All predate karate.
dont forget the open hand is great to just push the head back from under the chin to even break the neck
Why push if you can strike and end it immediately.
Most,if not all, of these techniques are in bare knuckle boxing around the 18th century
I wish all the street fighters a long life.
This looks exactly like the wrestling codexes of the medieval and renaissances periods
Can't agree more.
What vale tudo fight was that where the Gracie Jiu Jitsu fighter lost against the Brazilian catch wrestling style?
Wallid Ismael vs ?? on the bjj side
Rickson gracie era prá publicar um livro sobre jiujitsu brasileiro de vale tudo.
Outro ??
I’m not saying that you couldn’t hit someone with the tips of the knuckles in different ways that those illustrations depict, but I’ve never thought that was a great idea for the typical human being. On the other hand, if you make a fist and use the point of one or two knuckles to push into sensitive spots on the human body you will almost certainly get a reaction out of the person (turning the face away, moving the body away that creates an off balancing effect, lifting up limbs, etc.). I’m not claiming to have all the answers, just food for thought.
number two is a terrible idea. The point of contact is lower - Closer to the wrist
What's a good source for these types of techniques? I've always heard Japanese Jiu Jitsu had some striking but I've never seen a comprehensive source. Just scattered situation specific things.
Jujitsu being a feudal times MMA had may styles absorbed into one. Most of striking came from koppojutsu, daken taijutsu, Kenpo and even the oldest Japanese art, sumo, uses open hand strikes that is more used as pushes in modern times.
"Gracie strikes were ELITE" I think Mike Tyson would beg to differ
What fight was the footage from?
So much of this is kung fu. It’s the grandfather everyone disrespects.
Open palm strikes used to be there for a reason. No need for it now days...
Strike first, grab later.
A blow before a throw.......
ALL of the atemi jutsu of old jujutsu schools can be demolished even by kung fu like wing chun lol.
I never seen them in ANY competition.
No you wouldn’t. Because they are either illegal or gloves are worn. In real fights however, open hand strikes are far more devastating, dramatically reduce the risk of injuries and if multiples join in, you don’t wear out your knuckles. Broken knuckles = useless hand. And, take Bas Rutten’s word for this if you don’t believe me.
@@jjs3890 both kung fu and old school jujutsu deploy closed fist and open handed strikes. Jujutsu of japan do not spar for most part and kung fu has some sparring at least.
very good-the blo0ws shown are show and tought in close combat scchools.
This is the fight opposing Master Rickson Gracie with Rei Zulu, i think happened in 1980, ( A praticer of ancient indian fight caled Tracajá, and a beast who koed his opposers with slaps in the ears, they just wake in hospital ). Decades after, Gracie family honored Master Zulu as the hardest and tuffest rival that the family ever fight with...
No, my friend. This is the Vale Tudo fight between Renan Pitanguy and Eugenio Tadeu. It happened in 1984. By the way the fight Zulu represented was called "Tarracá".
@@marctoleds6259 Oh so Sorry brother. I bag the pardon of comunity because i spread a untruthfull history..
The meaty part of the hand... you do not want to hit an opponent with that. It causes the least damage to them. You want to hit with your bone! THAT is what truly hurts the opponent! About the knife hand: you do not hit with the edge of the hand! That is unfortunately a very widespread misconception! When striking the head of an opponent, you impact with a very small part of the hand. See 3:45 into the video. On the right hand (figure 6) in the depiction there is a line on the handpalm. Where it starts at the pinky side of the hand: THAT small portion of the hand is used for knife hand strikes to hard body parts. And if you strike your opponents arms you use the first hand's breadth below the wrist to hit! That is how we Karate people do it!
It’s situational, use soft parts for hard targets and hard parts for soft targets and you reduce the chances of injuring yourself going for those strikes
@@WastePlace Of course you do not hit the skull like this. But the neck, clavicula and forearms. I practise like this against the Makiwara.
This looks purely like Hung Gar :)
Ye, but Rixson couldnt punch .
Renzo did train well in Striking.
Na aula de hoje, aprendemos que os próprios Gracie dão muito valor a eficiência dos golpes traumáticos (striking) e que aquela história de "jiu jitsu é a melhor luta do mundo" é totalmente errada.
Ele está vendendo o peixe dele mas é engraçado ele usando striking 😂
I love this channel, but elite is more than a stretch
What the song name?
Goshin JJJ is the most all allround system.
Funny how if this was any other martial art showing palm strikes etc, the haters would be out in force
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You can hurt your hand…
Hammer fists in older styles were more often than not representative of using a knife. Go and actually hit things with a hammer fist and see how it feels lol I promise, you wont have to do it for very long before you find out why theyre not great. Especially on the crown of someones head! And a hammer fist to the jaw is not only dangerous for your hand AND elbow but the more vertical position of your forearm make it easier to be blocked than a proper hook or even an open hand hook style strike.
It works great on the nose or collarbone
@@manny4552 I respect your opinion but Id say it slower, more telegraphed, less impactful, shorter range, and easier to block than a jab or straight for targeting the nose from standing. Personally, if im willing to break someones collar bone I would likely be trying to knock them out, instead, and would target their jaw, temple, liver, etc. but from mount position or other elevated angles where striking downwards I endorse hammer fist to most any target.
Well you don’t target the crown of the head with any stroke ever. I witnessed a boxer in a street fight accidentally connect to the top of the head and he shattered his knuckles. Broken knuckles = useless hand.
@@MP-db9sw well I never said the hammer fist is a preferred strike if mine but it is effective to certain areas.. certainly we practice hammer fist strikes...sensei chess
People that say there's no gi 😂😂😂 winter time in east coast lots black leather jackets to grab osssss