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Will never forget the “interview” I had with an Amway rep, where she drew a literal pyramid on a piece of paper to describe how their business worked lol
Reminds of an opening scene in the US “The Office” show. Where Michael Scott is talking about some get rich quick scheme, and Jim points out it’s a pyramid scheme. 😂😂😂
To be fair, everything is a pyramid scheme. You start with 1 CEO getting paid far too much, a couple of VPs, many managers and far too many employees making bare minimum salary. Prove me wrong.
This is actually crazy 😂cause just yesterday I had the interview and this very thing happened I’m trying to give it the benefit of doubt but I don’t really believe in coincidence.
It's so weird for me to hear of Amway as an MLM. My dad worked for the company as a toxicologist testing the cosmetic products for safety years ago. They always had amazing corporate events (for the "actual" employees, not distributors). Also, so funny to me that they hate on corporate when there's literally people employed by Amway in a typical "9 to 5" probably making significantly more money than 99% of the distributors and getting all the benefits that none of them are getting.
@@kalikiexp618 There are 9-5 workers in every mlm, making the products and handling the backdoor operations, that doesn’t mean they aren’t mlms… Herbalife needs people formulating and testing the products for safety, doesn’t mean they aren’t an mlm. Bomb Party has people making the bath bombs and putting in orders for their probably mass produced rings, still an MLM. Avon needs people formulating and testing their products as well behind the scenes, still an mlm.
@@Waryfaerie That's not what is being said. The company is still MLM but the workers working 9-5 for said company have the very jobs the MLM independents are criticizing while not getting paid but the 9-5 are getting the benefits and paid free events..
my dad got on the top of the pyramid and was making some serious money off of it back in the early 90s, then he abruptly had a spiritual awakening and quit
Wow. I have heard of it. I'm 53 and while not brainy I'm not stupid but knew little you nothing about it. After listening and reading comments it reminds me of a lady over 20 years ago we lived next ro Idaho. She sold something called melaluka and everything in her home was melaluka. In bulk. Kept trying to convince me until I finally became rude to her to get the point across. She was nuts!
True, in the meetings we were told to only tell those who we as IBO's felt could have been right for it. And those that seemed turned off, kick the dust on them and don't look back. That included our family and close friends. We were told repeatedly to ditch them because those who will be in the business are out there and these rejections will only make us stronger. Needless to say I lost a lot of friends and estranged my family. 😔 😢
Wow this makes sense why my friend has been more distant since joining… 💔she tried to get me to join but I got weird vibes. I’m very anti-cult I’m even skeptical of the local church 🥱
Same with my uncle & his wife it’s honestly sad they have been brainwashed & they are still no near a millionaire after Covid the people that join under them stop following them & their business went down hills so much so they’re behind tax on their home I honestly wish them the best I hope they make it out of this 😢
I babysat two kids many nights a week (and weekends) back in the early 90’s, while the mom and dad did Amway “so they could quit their 9 to 5 and spend time as a family.” I babysat a lot. Their entire garage was full of Amway stuff, and they were always going to meetings with prospects….meanwhile, I spent the quality time with their kids.
That’s what my sister is caught up with right now. She and her hubby started amway a year before they had their first kid, and now they have two. But they still say they’ve only been doing it for two years…
I got invited to an Amway meet up when I was younger and it was so cultish. I remember everyone all being freakishly happy and I just had this bad feeling in my stomach. So glad I didn’t join 😅
@rachelkearney8042 I knew a guy heavily into Amway and he talked at length about it, had books, CDs etc. I don't know that it would be a cult, but it definitely didn't make sense. For starters everybody got into it with the sole purpose of getting out of it - retire early supposedly - but they all hated it, the only reason they would be so anxious to get out. Also, he didn't even have any Amway products. They may have been plants.
I was in Quixtar that later dropped that alias to go back to Amway and I was directly told at a weekly meeting, that this was the best cult you'll ever want to be a part of cause you'll get rich so who wouldn't want to be apart of that cult. 😂
I just had an incredibly coercive, cult like meeting with one of these Amway guys, my first red flag is he wore the exact same outfit from the day I met him to the meeting we had set up which were 4 days apart. It started as us being on equal footing before he basically told me my parents ain’t shit, my family ain’t shit, but he has all the answers to solve that without actually giving me a single real answer. I really had to laugh when he was telling me how “I live a lifestyle your parents and you could only dream of” when my old man makes a half a million dollars a year as a successful executive in corporate America. I used to do sales, and he pulled every single sales tactic in the book as well as trying to manipulate me by invoking God into the conversation and playing towards politics he thought I’d agree with. I’m a professional journalist though so I saw right through it all but entertained his nonsense nonetheless just to see how much he’d embarrass himself. He’ll be waiting for me at a cafe in the coming days but low and behold, I won’t be there.
My wife and I were at a local supermarket. Had a guy approach us and started talking about finances. I majored in economics in college so I’m always game for conversations about money. So I thought this guy was just another econbro. This was during Covid so he was like “hey man we should zoom, I’d love to talk to you more. That convo the other night was great!” I unfortunately thought this guy wanted to be friends. The zoom call felt like an interview. Ended up inviting me to meet some of his “friends and mentors” so I was like “alright.. why not?” The next zoom call was some random couple discussing the “proven system” they have. They talked a lot but were saying nothing at the same time. Lost his number immediately.
Hey if you see this, I just went to one of these, thing is it was a church buddy. Should I be worried lmaooo, everything they said was basically the Andrew tates or money gurus on UA-cam.
@@37RYAN nah, make up an excuse as to why you can’t attend. They’ll consider you “not serious about changing your life/taking this opportunity” and should leave you alone. They’re in so deep they can’t fathom that they’re in a scam, so they’ll continue to pad their egos. If morons don’t want to hang out with you, honestly much better for you. 😂
I almost got recruited by an Amway/WorldWide group girl this weekend! I gave her good customer service at my retail job to find skirts and blazers, and she seemed really nice, calls me back AT MY JOB, trying to get me on the phone, butter me up, say I had great customer service skills, to ask me to come to a coffee chat to discuss "WorldWide"and I told her I don't agree to interviews on the phone at my job, since all calls are monitored and coffee chats usually lead to MLMs 😂.
SUBBBED. Amway destroyed my Father he has been in for 22 years never made any money but still believes it is going to make him rich. It is so good to finally see an Anti MLMER talking about amway. Please make more videos about Amway. Dexter Yager would be the best place for you to start.
A friend of mine joined AmWay and thé second she said “they said they’re not an MLM, so it’s fine!” I’m telling you three alarms were BLARING in my head. She’s trying to convince my fiancé (her close friend) to but shit and he’s just as sussed out as I am.
Thank you for making this video Isabel..I recently came across a married couple at an Entrepreneural event that was held in my city. He vaugely described his ppsition as a distributor working in e-commerce. I met his wife on our first planned meet up. We just talked about the event and more about me and what im looking for in life. They brought up mentorship and i was interested in what that would look like. We met a second time just the past tuesday and they told me they work for Amway. I never heard of it so I had no idea. I just attended a meeting at their mentors house tonight with 50+ others in a small living room at 8pm and it dawned on me as their mentor displayed and discused the business model, but it wasnt till i came home and actually did some digging and i feel terribly sick. I am so disgusted and feel like a sheep. Im glad you are helping others see right through Amway's MLM ways. I am set to meet with them tomorrow but Im afraid i will have to pass up this "opportunity."
I grew up as an "amway kid". I tried it in my early twenties and still cringe over 10yrs later at my former self. My parents are still involved and have made little to no $ to this point- over the course of over 20yrs. They sell the products, but mostly just to some family members. I didn't find any of it odd till the last 6yrs or so. My upline heard I had moved back and wanted to get together and discuss business. They didn't ask about my husband they had never met or my newborn. With them circling around back to old recruits tells me their business is possibly in trouble.
I wish there was a Team that could teach people how to use social media to build the business using true and tried real marketing skills. They seem to just want to keep people in the dark so they can keep them on the tools forever.
I was approached at a conference by an "IBO" or whatever who told me that his "mentor" helped him and his wife create passive income, and grow a network of successful people. Right away that sounded like an MLM to me. We had two phone calls and a zoom meeting. I spoke with these guys on three seperate occasions for about an hour each time and was given relatively no information. Not even the name of the company I'd be "partnering" with. They asked me to read the 4 Cashflow Quardrants by Kiyosaki. I assume the purpose of that was to have a best-selling author explain why pyramid schemes are cool and how to get away with them smh. On the third meeting they FINALLY said Amway and LTD. I did like 4 minutes of research and knew it was a scam/cult. I just so gullible for not knowing about this soon. This is the most recent video i could find and i appreciate you for posting.
You didn’t get sucked in and did your research. You didn’t give them money. You’re not gullible, imo. You just had a couple meetings/conversations trying to get information.
@@topdogg1231 well yes it is a mlm. However not all mlm's are scams. Firs off pyramid where the top dog makes all the money and the lower folks make little compared to the corporate leadership and owners.... thats a regular job my friend. Secondly scam mlm's have you get paid by how many you get in. Not by the volume of product you sell. You meet the certain quota you get a % and if your team does the same and maintains a certain level... same thing you make more. Yes a majority don't make squat... but how many are first year vs 20+. Where there is potential success there is potential failure. And most are happy making just a few dollars. I've seen and been through real scams. Amway like Avon has been criticized. But both rely on you selling product. And it's how you run the biz. Just like ebay resellers and others. Most make Jack squat. And those who get it make money and yet others find a way to kill it. I see my parents where their life choices left them... and my past 20 years 2 times divorced now dissabled vet. Amd I know an opportunity when I see it.
My mom's cousin and her husband were in Amway bigtime in the late 80s and 90s, and I believe are still part of the company. I don't know any financial details of their situation but from what I can see, business went south and they fell HARD. In the 1990s, they were running elbows with politicians and celebrities and were buying progressively larger houses. Then in the mid 2010s, they moved abruptly and my parents found out that their house had been foreclosed on. Now they live in a rented house that is much much smaller. They should be approaching retirement age, but instead he still sells credit card scanner machines, and their daughter (who I am friends with) says "my parents don't have any savings". For all the displays of wealth they showed off in the good years, they sure have nothing now compared to my parents who supported my brother and I on my dad's engineer income and are now living a quite comfortable retirement.
Yesss! Omg my parents joined Amway and it had ruined my life and our relationship. The weird religious side in the Latin groups has changed my parents views dramatically
@@s.s.9160 I’m Mexican. My bad dude. I’ve fixed it. Idk what feelings I’m sugar coating that you’re on about. I’m not chronically online so I’m not sure what’s still considered correct and when it changed. I’ve been told off online for not using the stupid x before so I started using it. I’m not sure what you mean by sugar coating my feelings. I’ll state them plainly. My Mexican parents joined Amway. They’re now super religious, homophobic, and encouraged to be financially abusive to their friends and family. They blame lack of success in the “business” on their family not wanting to throw money at a financial cult and the fact I’m queer. Idk what other feelings you assume I’m sugar coating.
Most definitely I mean there is money in Amway, but it is all other peoples money. They put up a facade that they are so called “helping” people, but in reality they are just manipulating and cheating them. It’s terrible
Amway really is the worst of the worst, the thing that most people even Anti MLMERS do not understand about Amway is that most of the money that the Diamonds make is coming from selling training tools not the Amway business. Please report on the Amway tool scam.
I was in for 5 years and still have some of the books they had "revised" for us that were outrageously overpriced. The leadership groups are where $ is made mostly, cost of events, travel, learning material, etc. I'd love to provide any information I can to get the word out that it's as horrible as it sounds and the people are worse.
These people in Amway are parasites and some of them would sell out their own family to get rich. It’s despicable, I also fell prey to this, the problem is that in America, the system is broke and many people fall vulnerable to these MLMs because these MLMs point out the real problems of this country, but their solution is profiteering off of others. If this country improved and regulated these MLMs and shut them down once and for all, less people would fall prey to their scams.
As a 90s kid, I grew up with Amway products in my home. Thankfully my mom never sold the products or joined the company. I remember sitting in the back of her SUV waiting....and waiting...and waiting, for what seemed like an eternity ,for her to grab a giant box of Amway cleaning products, vitamins, snacks, and supplements. My mom swore up and down that the products were "The best on the market!" and wouldn't buy that stuff anywhere else. To this day, my parents spend well over $200 a month on vitamins and supplements from Amway! No matter how many times I've explained that they can get those SAME vitamins at our local discount Grocery store for substantially less! Amway has a weird way of becoming a fungus in the heads and lives of those unfortunate enough to encounter it.
I'm sorry but no, nobody/very few do/ does vitamins and supplements the way Nutritlite does it I'm just saying. the seed to supplement process to ensure top quality and safety is literally something they created and I know of no other company that does and owns their own organic farms. just saying
@@ishouldbedoingmyhomeworkno535 no, bevause this is breaking every moral code and boundary. Let them spend that they want. You wouldn’t secretly feed a veggie meat.
They are also not substantialy priced less... almost all the amway products I've looked at are about the same as what you would get at a discount grocery store, maybe a few dollars more. In some cases they are more, but people pay for what they want, that's the bottom line. And I must agree that the quality of the products are quite substantially higher in comparison to what you can get at your local discount store. So from what I've seen, most products are around the same price, and the quality is certainly there, because like our friend above said, there are people working 9-5 jobs in Amway and at their partners companies to ensure quality, and I would say the integrity is in my opinion above average. And if you're upset and don't want to be a distributor, apply for a job if you want the benefits and the guaranteed pay.
Back when Amway was conceived, shopping choices were very limited in most of the US, at least. There was appeal to being able to get your household necessities, vitamins, cosmetics, all in one place and brought to your door. Too bad it's a pyramid scheme and the products are shit!
Someone tried to get me to join Amway once, by inviting me to a regional convention. It did the opposite-it was weirdly culty and on the Sunday of convention they had an anti-LGBTQ evangelical preacher speak, and I literally stomped out in anger.
Unfortunately, don’t remember which group it was, but it was in the Midwest if that helps. It was several years ago now, so I don’t remember particulars.
@@annafaherty7464 it sounds like LTD the Sunday service i went to was this way! They would have an alter call and “save” people and that’s why they should build the biz to save more people
@@elizad7762 that makes sense. I remember the people who tried to recruit me were religious-they even told me a weird rule they had with other couples where they would always sit across the table from someone of the opposite sex so nobody thought anything untoward was going on. I thought it was odd but I didn’t expect the whole company event to be so evangelical until I went!
Im so grateful for you making these videos. You dont understand how much you're helping these people right now. Ive lost way too much money in MLM and its absurd
I lost a partner who our upline pretty much dictated when we should've been married. The ring I purchased wasn't expensive enough and we were told we should've waited till at least emerald. When I split with my partner the shame came heavier with our upline then the actual split up because I was told I destroyed our future and was quitting on our dream.
@@khloecarver1246 yeah tell me about it. It went pretty badly and the breakup sucked pretty bad but I can almost bet that my ex remained in the business long after we split. My uplines pretty much dictated much of that relationship despite what anyone says. Hopefully my ex is happy screwing over more people then me.
I photographed an amway party/retreat a few months ago where the top amway earnings from each country got together along with the two owners. It was very interesting to see all of them knowing what I know about mlms.
Omg I got tricked into joining them. I was on a Facebook group for girls looking to network and stuff. I had asked about how to open a Boutique and this girl commented about how she helps people with their businesses and can help me out. I set up a time with her and her mentor and they talked about something totally different…. They pressured me into joining like I don’t know how I even joined. Then they had a convention and I didn’t wanna go but again was convinced to go. After coming back, I started researching these people and found out it was an MLM! Let me tell you I just ignored them and never responded to them at all.
No offense but they prey on people like you. People that have trouble standing up for themselves. There is a statement that is repeated on all of these anti - MLM channels. “ no is a sentence “. If you don’t want to do something you tell someone no and move on. There really is no such thing as being “forced “ to do something unless someone is physically over powering you. We need to empower women to be able to walk away from something that makes them feel uncomfortable.
@@karinaz8756 So you’re saying that everyone who has ever joined an MLM doesn’t know how to stand up for themselves? That’s a bold statement to make. When someone says “no offense” it’s definitely an offensive thing to say. I believe this channel is about helping others not to fall for MLM claims and such. If you don’t have anything nice to say don’t say it at all, you don’t know why people joined MLM’s. If I didn’t know how to stand up for myself then I could’ve stayed and let them walk all over me. No one is perfect in this world, and if you’ve never had to deal with them then good for you but don’t try to bring others down just cause you’re so proud of yourself. No offense…
I was in amway! Everything was crazy tricky and somewhat scary. I was 19 driving hours away for classes, meet ups, etc…. I finally left after realizing spending over $400 a month wasn’t sustainable
A lot of people in MLMs are parasites that put up a front just to get some money in their pockets. It’s disgusting who these people would cheat and profiteer off of.
I moved to Grand Rapids in 2016 and quickly learned how MLM-ridden this place is. You have to be suspicious of anyone striking up conversation while you’re out shopping… if you think you’ve made a new friend, give it a few days… they’ll probably call you about a really amazing opportunity that ties into your interests/skills (spoiler alert: it doesn’t really, it’s just an MLM). Luckily I heard enough stories (including descriptions of the predatory couple) so I knew to not engage when they approached. My mother in law used to sell their products and said it was literally part of their training to prey on people who seemed eager to make friends. Very sad.
All sales is predatory by definition. You choose whether or not you want to be sold to, or if you want to get involved with any MLM. I will just bluntly say again, sales is predatory. That's just the bottom line.
Omg I’m here because this happened to me! I live in ATX and was at a grocery store a few weeks back when this lady approached me complimenting me on my flip flops. I work a full time job and drive for Uber on the side to make ends meet and I had just got my car back from the collision center a few days before this encounter. I was the victim of a hit and run and was injured from the wreck and on top of that I hadn’t been able to Uber for almost 2 weeks while my car was in the collision center, so I have been very short on money. I only had a few bucks to find something to eat that night and was exhausted and just wanted to go home. She kept talking and asking me all these questions about my personal life and not wanting to be rude, I kept answering. I guess I sounded like the perfect target, being in a vulnerable position from everything that’s happened to me the past 9-10 months. We exchanged numbers and I forgot about it until she called me about a week ago to meet for coffee. I’ve met with her and her husband three times now and they were telling me about a business opportunity and he was looking to hire a few employees but they didn’t tell me until yesterday that it was Amway. I had never heard about this company so I’m researching it now and so glad I discovered this before I got roped in! I’m supposed to go to a “info session” Tuesday night but I’ll be letting them know I’m no longer interested. It’s so sad they preyed on someone in a vulnerable situation for their own gain. Thankfully there were enough red flags and I’m glad I dug deeper and didn’t ignore them 😭
I’ve always been so fascinated by Amway. I lived in Grand Rapids, MI, where DeVos and VanAndle are HUGE names (they own so much of the city) but no one seems to mind that they are all involved in a pyramid scheme?? Makes me think that this company is no where near the most sketchy part of their business dealing.
I found the Amway guy! I do not remember the names of household products my parents used when I was in elementary school. I do remember having them piled up in closets despite not having any food in the fridge. I do remember the sheriff's removing us from my childhood home even though my parents were still trying to get their friends and family to join this scam by saying it was a money making opportunity.
The only time in my life I've been pitched an MLM, it was Amway/Quixtar. It's been close to 20 years now since then. I was 18-19 and my boyfriend(21) at the time was invited by a high school friend over to his place for dinner. I remember feeling excited to meet old friends of his from before I knew him, hoping I could get some fun stories from their teenaged antics lol. I also remember this dude lived in a downtown loft, which was gorgeous. The food was delicious but dinner convo was severely lacking, sadly. Then afterwards dude busts out a large plain paper notebook, sets it on a wooden easel looking things, and starts presenting. All I remember him writing was squares connected to each other with lines, and guess what shape they made. 🤣 His main point was that Quixtar offers all the household essentials you're buying already, that you can one-stop-shop for all of it, plus make money getting other people to buy their household needs there too. I ended up buying a $300 box of assorted supplements, snacks, laundry detergent and cleaning supplies, most of which were deluxe sample sizes. Detergent was immediately out cuz it's powdered. Snacks were good but not anything special. I remember looking over the website shortly after and thinking the prices were insane, at least for a broke college student. Never heard from that guy again after that night lol, so I'm glad I didn't inadvertently sign up for something at least.
I came across this video because I too, unfortunately, got roped into amway. I'm going to be posting a video about my own experience and insight because I don't think many people are aware of this at all. I also just found it extremely weird that they brand themselves as a "clean and organic" line, however a simple google search of the ingredients in the products will show you they are not at all healthy- just another marketing ploy. I did mention this to my mentor and she was not at all phased that the ingredients in the products were not in fact healthy. all she had to say was that "amway updates their ingredients every few years" ok girl. thanks for sharing this❤
Hi guys, I want to apologise in avanced for my basic English, a very VERY VERY long essay but I really need and want your help. First of all, about my concern. My sister is currently working as an Amway distributor. She is definitely not an actual employee because she is an international student. She has been a part of this group for roughly 2 years. Shortly after joining this multi level marketing “family”, she neglected her education (don’t wanna say drop out but yeah,…she nearly drops out due to having failed many courses), believing that she retires at the age of 30 with this job, only using products from amway if available, calling home like twice A YEAR, attending these “meetings” regularly (3 times/week, 6hours/meeting session), claiming that this job is the only one people should be doing and other jobs, especially 9-5 jobs, are trash. The reason why I have all the info is because of many help from my parents’ friend. Then we flew there and refused to leave without seeing her. And we made her stay with us in the hotel and demanded more information. Unfortunately, we only got the info but failed to drag her out of the situation. Secondly, why I need your help. So, she is trying to persuade me into joining. However, I have rejected many times (she snapped and shouted at me, sometimes I think she wanted to bunch me at that moment). Now she does not want to meet our family after I rejected and become more addicted with the team building, selling products for amway. The last time I rejected, she even admired her mentor like the lady is a god and told me that I can only improve and develop when being “trained” by her mentor. CAN I DEPROGRAM HER F-ING CULT MIND? IF POSSIBLE, WHAT SHOULD I DO AS A 19 YEARS OLD TEENAGER? It may sound stupid, but I’m planning to join and fake accepting her offer. I think in that case, I can be closer and easier to detach her with this cult. Cause right now, I’m like extremely far from her. I’m in VietNam, she is in America. And in the family, my parents can barely speak English, only I can. I want to thank anyone for advice, tips. I’m feeling really lucky right now cause I found this. I have always felt that they are quite…sketchy…i guess
Omg, thank you for doing this! I've been waiting for someone to talk about Amway and the few creators that i asked said they didn't want to get into it cuz it's such a Goliath company. My friend's husband has been in Amway for the past 10+ years. If he makes any money from it, it's absolutely minimal cuz he still works side jobs in order to have an income (and funnel more money to the top, obviously). My friend hates it cuz she can see how they manipulate him, but i don't think she gets the full extent of how bad it really is. Ugh, the stories I could tell... a cult in every sense of the word
The funniest part is I almost fell for Amway and they kept asking for my "investment." I kept brushing it off sold these XS drinks (from one of the lead distributors) which were actually 🗑️. Thats when the realization hit, I did some research and realized they were basically a scam. So I gave the money back to the people I sold the drinks to. Basically gave the drinks away for free 😂. Amway kept asking for my investment and I left. They didnt like me after that.
Keep up the good work. These companies take ppl that are desperate and then scam them out of money and make it all that person’s fault, that they’re ‘not working hard enough’, ‘not following the systems’ and ‘letting themselves down’??! These ppl end up worse off both financially and it probably impacts their mental health too. So keep up the good work. You’ve got a ‘like ‘ and ‘engagement’ from me to help with the YT algorithm 😊
I was born and my family lived near the headquarters of Amway and my parents tried to sell Amway in the early 90s for extra cash as young newlyweds fresh out of college and just had my first brother. They never succeeded and lost money because OBVIOUSLY they were probably the 99th downline and EVERYONE within a 25 mile radius is in Amway or already has a distributor to buy from by the 90s. 30 years later, my cousin is a full time, SALARY employee for the manufacturing side of Amway. P.s. I recommend looking into how many buildings and businesses in Grand Rapids Michigan have the founders last names on them 👀👀 also, Betsy DeVos 👀👀
I didn't know Amway was an MLM for so long because so many of my family members worked regular 9-5 jobs in corporate and we always had Amway products laying around lol.
My partner and I got invited to a business opportunity meeting, unbeknownst to us it was for Scamway. We stayed for the free food and full hour long PowerPoint to not be rude. They gave us a bunch of “sample” products from their giant stash. The concentrated cleaning products were actually pretty great but everything else was extremely overpriced for very MEH quality. We had to eventually block them because they wouldn’t accept that we weren’t interested in working with them and kept calling/texting us for weeks after the sales pitch.
I was recruited about 10 years ago. The laundry detergent was actually really good lol. I got a 380$ bundle that included cleaning products and who knows what else but I did like the cleaning products. I never stayed long enough to purchase anything outside of that beginner package but I'm sure it would've been over priced.
my mom has been an avid follower of amway ever since I was a kid and my siblings and I have tried to tell her about how corrupt it is and tried to talk her out of it but she won't listen. I'm really worried that they're just going to take and take her money and she won't be able to retire. when she left the Mormon church she went straight to amway, literally went from one cult to another.
Eek! It's common for Mormons (present and former) to be into MLMs. There's an old joke: MLM stands for "Mormons Losing Money". One particularly notorious one, LuLaRoe, was founded by a Mormon couple (Mark and DeAnne Stidham). Don't give up on trying to get your mom out though. There's always hope...
I had a hilarious experience at a store where this lady struck up a conversation with me who ended up inviting me to this business meeting. The other attendees were very enthusiastic and bubbly, but its a great thing that I am always interested in seeing concrete proof of success rather than hearing success stories. Now the lady invited me for a follow-up meeting, the woman from the store explained the business to me, including how money can multiply when others join. She even gave me some samples of their products. Bruhhhhhhh!! I can't stop laughing I never watched you videos Isabella but you hit this on the DOTTTTTTT. if anyone if watched the movie bye bye man thats what amway reminds me of hahaha. Ima attend the next meeting just to call out this bs, hopefully they dont... nvm
Sorry you went through that. These people come off as friendly and approachable but thats how they get us. I just found out after a recruiting meeting i had came back from tonight. Im supppsed to meet with my "mentors tomorrow' and i think im just gonna straight up call him tomorrow and cancel. They deserve to be called out. How did it go?
I have a great Amway story from the early 1990's. A guy I was dating at the time was being recruited and he gave it some consideration and, at the time anyway, they were pushing people joining as couples. He and I were in college and he was also in the national guard. The couple that were trying to recruit him/us extended an invitation to their upcoming convention and he was unable to go because it was his weekend with the guard so he asked me to go without him and let him know what I thought. Needless to say I thought it was a complete "sh**show"...the whole thing came across to me like a giant high school pep rally. They had people singing and cheering and it was nuts. But, that wasn't what totally put me off. What did, was their political pressure evident in the speeches. Essentially they were saying if you don't vote as they do, something is wrong with you. That turned me off instantly. The other thing was that they were trying to become,, as was shared in this, everything to everyone, like Wal Mart. My problem with this, when my boyfriend shared their catalog from the time, was that they were falsely claiming that becoming a distributor would save you money because you would be buying from yourself. I pointed out to him the prices compared to what you pay at regular stores and shopping around, were too high to actually benefit that way. An example I remember is that he showed me a dining table set you could get through them ( at the time I think they were trying out big purchases along with household products, not sure if they still sell furniture and other big ticket items) that was $2000.... a heck of a lot of money then, and even now, not necessary though it could be argued not unreasonable for a price now. I told him we could go to a second hand store and get better quality furniture than what they were selling, for much less, and we would really be paying ourselves by SAVING the money and keeping it in our own "pockets". At that, he realized it wasn't worth it and dodged that bullet, thankfully.
I lived in Australia for a year and someone I went to college with tried to get me into it. He lied and said it was a marketing job (which is what we both went to school for, although I was more the art side) and wanted to “hire” me to do stuff for his company that he was an exec for. Then on the Skype call, he said he was sending me a box of products and I would be advertising it around Australia for them as their “international” marketer. I got suspicious and did research and realized it was a scam. I got to keep the box of products but I don’t remember what I did with them, as this was years ago. I don’t know if he’s still with them, as he eventually unfriended me lol 😝
The extremely different thing with Amway that isn’t touched on, is that other companies have “affiliation” with them, so it’s not just Amways products. The “IBO’s” made PV when they/their down line made purchases through the affiliated companies online. They had SO many companies. Target and Citi bank were some I remember that were added when I was in back in 2014. So the push when Target and Citi Bank were added was to buy all groceries through Target, buy all non-Amway comparable things at Target with a Citi Bank card. To x3 on the PV. The reason why Amway IBO’s don’t go to social or share products is because the money is truly in switching any and all products you use/team building. And that’s super hard to word on an IG post.
I know someone close to me who's pretty high up in Amway. They don't cold message or force you or annoy you, but they do recruit if anyone wants to join. They cannot get a home loan, because an MLM is not a reliable source of income so they're forced to rent until they can buy a home with cash. I checked some prices of like vitamins at Amway. I bought 100 D vitamin tablets for 79 swedish crowns, which is like.. 8 dollars I guess. Amway sells 30 D vitamin tablets for 20+ dollars. Just makes no sense to me.
"Illuminaughty is an amazing creator" well, that aged poorly 😅 anyway, I'm from Russia and I also grew up with Amway around me and people I know. It's been a long time since I've heard about it tho. Great video!💜
It so did 😂 I’ve had a few comments about this on my other videos and I gotta let y’all know that I won’t be mentioning that creator ever again in a positive light! I don’t fuck with bad creators! I appreciate you thank you for being here 💗
my bf keeps trying to get into Amway it's been stressing me out so much like I buy my stuff at grocery outlet and WinCo I'm not spending $500 a month at Amway for the same stuff
My parents were part of Amway when I was a kid. I remember going to Charlotte for a convention. My sister and I ran around the entire hotel that night. We could never get away with that nowadays. It is a fun memory. Also, my parents made me use the shampoo and conditioner. It wasn't good. I started buying my own as a teenager.
Omg I'm only here to say that I was recently approached by a couple for a second time while shopping who I could tell was a part of an MLM. They started talking about mentorship and passive income blah blah blah. These people literally try to prey on others in hopes that you're some vulnerable, desperate and unhappy individual who works some “horrible 9-5". Newsflash, I'm a medical physicist and I have my own business. I'm doing very well and enjoy my career. My bf on the other hand is s very successful commercial real estate broker. No thank you; we are doing well! It's like leave me alone! I get offended by them approaching me in the first place😂
I spent 7 years busting my butt in Amway being close to the hardest worker I knew in the business. My wife and I just got out. Some of the stuff you have here is right, and some of the problems you mention aren’t really an issue. But there are much MUCH deeper, scarier, cultier, and scamier problems that you didn’t touch on here, and that I didn’t fully realize until we got out. Let me know if you’d like to hear about it
I'll tell you exactly how they're getting away with it not being considered a pyramid scheme (I know, because my upline encouraged this) - They have products that they require a certain value to be sold to customers (somewhere around $300/month, I think). The slimy part is - the IBO can buy the product and claim it as "customer bought" if they want to just give it away to someone as a gift or sell it to a customer at a whatever price they want just to be able to hit their rank goal. So in reality, there may be some people that are straight up not selling anything and just giving it away. As long as they're claiming it as customer bought, Amway doesn't care.
My best friends parents n family sold amway and I was used as a joke on how they made so much money as I was always over and basically lived at their house. I honestly didn't know it as a MLM or the scams to come as I was just a teen. Eventually I learned and kinda feel disappointed in what her parents would say about me to get others to sign. I love her family still as I don't think they ment it mean but we're brainwashed to push.
Have you considered a deeper dive into the Amway "Motivational Organizations" such as WWDB, etc.? They make all the bogus self-help books and tapes, while putting on the conventions in arenas.
I was actually in Amway….. I got out bc I did feel as if it was Cultish. They promote Jesus ALOT. I don’t even want to know how much money I wasted on top of my recruiter treating me like crap or less than then dropping off a coffee cup at my house without texting to even ask what was wrong.. it was all crazy
My dad's one and only hilarious and agonisingly stupid MLM story involves an Amway couple. It gets me every time. One day I'll send it in for Deanna to read so we can all cackle at their weird, weird ways.
I'm very excited to see a big UA-camr talk about Amway. Just started the video, but I'd love to see you do a deep dive on the two founders and their sons, Dexter Yager, and Bill Britt
I joined Amway in 2018 with my cousin all she said are correct and they used God to justify their way. I did not make any money but spent more on the product, books, booklet they created just so they can make a plan , audiobooks, and the motivation book. The only thing I can say is that it gets my money's worth I get to travel all over the state. My family had to tell me to quit because I was so deep in there.
My dad joined Amway back in the late ‘80s and I remember the Artistry cosmetics line. It was fine but, prolly overpriced. In Canada, Amway was know as Quixtar in the 2000 decade and a rep attempted to recruit myself and my now hubby. With the ruling that favored them… I truly loath Amway.
It is mandatory as an IBO (amway sales affiliate) to sell 60% or more of your own inventory (products you buy yourself) and it has to be to be sold to an actual live person that the amway sales tracker website checks if you are actually selling or if you are cheating the system. If you do not meet 60%+ inventory sale you are given 60 days 2 months only) to make at least 60% inventory sale or you are no longer an active distributer. If you are not active then you do not get any rewards from amway and you cannot claim amway as a “business” when you file your taxes under 1099 form. It’s not a pyramid scheme, and you can make real money but you need to be really charming as a salesperson and you can burn out quick if you don’t like sales
Former IBO here and i guess by that intro i have thrown away my future and, as my upline would often say thrown away the buisness opportunity of a lifetime. Watching this makes it a bit better in my decision to not flush my stinkin job huh!!
We were in it for 6 years and have friends in it. The lesson we learned on leadership you can apply to life. They want you to do 300 pv and say that is the standard. That is over 1,000.000 dollars a month not including what you spend on conference tickets and traveling expenses going to the conference. We barely made any money from it and just couldn't afford it anymore.
I grew up in Amway & did it for awhile. I will never do a MLM again, however some of the products are great. LOC was great, however it was a newer concept in the 80’s & 90’s..
Network marketing is basically just a distribution scheme. It pays distributors to build a sales network, with the incentive of being paid according to the size of the network and the volume of sales through it. It's not inherently an unethical system.
My dad briefly did amway during the 80s I do believe. he still spouts some other sayings like not saying job but spelling it out because having a real job is looked down on. So weird.
I got pitched the thing in high school, when a girl I went to school with told me that she had an awesome business opportunity because she knows I’m poor. She had me meet up with her at Hardee’s and there was an older woman there with a PowerPoint. I knew better, it sounded too good to be true.
I was aggressively recruited for amway by an old high school friend and at no point did he try to sell me anything. It's very clear the only goal with amway reps is recruiting people and selling them "the business opportunity"
Thanks for this video I think it was so informative and well thought out. I was looking for info about this particular MLM because some friends of mine who are Spanish speakers that I know that are trying to get involved with them. I bring that up because I was thinking of the possibility of Spanish subtitles being added to the video. I know it may be a lot to ask but I figured it wouldn’t hurt I totally understand if isn’t possible. Keep up the good work I definitely will be tuning in to more videos. 😊
This was definitely helpful. I had a recruiter try to get me involved with Amway. He was (from my assumption due to his accent) part of the Mennonite community. But he was originally from Mexico (small talk details given when we had a face to face meeting). A lot of members do seem to gravitate to Spanish speakers since the most involved members in Amway is in a well constructed community such as the Mennonite community which are very fluent in Spanish. The communities actually work well with this business model.
One point I will make towards the accusation that the only way you make money is by recruiting is that one of Amway's compensation rules is that 60% of your sales must be customer sales in order to be paid. So making actual customer sales is a requirement.
I know this is gonna sound crazy because why listen to me, but I actually make the most money from my customer sales too and I was never pushed to get anyone to join under me… it just makes me wonder if the way they mentor people is a lot more chill than what people are aware of?
Personally, I’m part of Amway. I do agree that it is multi level marketing. Are the groups cult like? Heck yea. Thankfully just stuck to logistics and the “business” side of it and it’s been working rather fine for me. When I mentor, I try my best to be concise and straight to the point.
@@psychoesthetics9003 if you view the groups as part of a cult then you’re not fully allowing yourself to be a part of the mentorship. I hope you do well in the pathway you’re in right now
I believe that’s a rather recent change. They use to encourage IBOs to do 50pv of customer volume & 100pv of personal volume. & even if you had no customer volume there was a way around it to ensure you still got paid. The higher you move up the scale, the more crucial customer volume becomes to your payouts. Unless of course you knew the way around it
I was in Amway for 14 months or so in 2007. I grew to hate it and wanted out. I got my wish - the UK government investigated it and the way Amway had been operating basically changed forever. I have videos and articles on this in my channel if you’re curious.
It would be cool if you did a video that shows where products from shut down MLMs are now sold by other MLMs. I briefly got conned into working for the now defunct XANGO. Their mangosteen juice/supplement is now sold by Isagenix.
So amway did try to become a Walmart in a way. That was the point. You buy for yourself all the products just like a grocery store and recruit others to buy for themselves. And everyone wins. And the products were great. However, the products were also more expensive than say a Walmart. You had to teach people to switch all their brands. And in reality it was so difficult to recruit. We were in it less than 5 years and it took a financial and emotional toll on us. It just didn’t work. It worked temporarily for some of our friends and they made some money and went diamond. That gave us hope for awhile and then we just had to throw in the towel eventually and quit. You have to be such a hustler and aggressive to do amway. And looking at people as a business opportunity was for us, disingenuous.
So many girls i grew up with and went to school with who were all either stay at home moms or single moms who would constantly hit me up about It Works or Arbonne lol i always use to troll them with "The thing about it works is that it doesn't." Or if you hit them with it's an mlm or pyramid scheme they would turn hostile 😂. It was always the copy paste text or DM of "Heyyy man looking good i think you'd be perfect for this new business opportunity im doing." Lol then i discovered yourubers like this who do mlm content and i saw clips of zoom meetings where they gave text message formats and to just spam send them everyone then of course you see the cult like atmosphere
I live in Ada, Michigan. Amway World HQ North America is up the road. I recommend a movie by Loki Mulholland called Believe. It came out on a limited basis right around the time Dick DeVos was running for governor of Michigan. I found the movie really funny as i had been an IBO once. My husband & I joined just to shop. We found better deals elsewhere, and after our year was up, we did not join again. The VanAndel and DeVos names are on everything in West Michigan.
It’s sad bro, amway really fell to poop. It’s so trash now. Basically it’s just you paying hundreds to thousands $ per month just to be a sales rep with no vacations and very low profits. It trash
I’m concerned about ppl I know being possibly into this and I know some ppl from my past convinced they could make money but you can’t warn them or they cut you out 😢
Hi, really like your energy. I google this video after attending one of their events after being picked up by someone at the grocery store. (They must have noticed my energy and drive for future financial freedom) they talk alot about not having to work again… which was a big red flag in my opinion. look at the richest people on the world… like Elon musk… he’s working every day. I think they prey on people. Lucky I was smart enough to notice. Although I do still feel lucky to have attended the event I know that it is just the start of my transformation in life and that there will be false positive opportunities on your path. If you don’t have a dream you will be come part of someone else’s… Thanks for the vid ❤
A woman I'm loosely friends with got involved with Amway. She's tried to recruit me repeatedly and encouraged me to get others involved. She also pushes products. It's very annoying. I've been polite with my no thank yous but maybe I should just say I don't believe in the company's values.
I used to be involved with Amway and the products are good. By the way, people don’t stay involved with Amway because they want to make money but because they are becoming a better human being. School didn’t teach me the art of communication, but they did. If it was as bad as you are describing it, it wouldn’t be big. Regardless, it is true: if you want to make money in Amway you must build thousands of relationships. It’s not for the faint of heart or the weak. If you don’t know how to talk to people, I recommend joining. Free coaching.
They DEFINITELY stay for the money. The lifestyle and "retiring" young are huge selling points. You sound like one of those creepy youtube pick-up bros: an insult wrapped in a compliment.
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Will never forget the “interview” I had with an Amway rep, where she drew a literal pyramid on a piece of paper to describe how their business worked lol
Reminds of an opening scene in the US “The Office” show. Where Michael Scott is talking about some get rich quick scheme, and Jim points out it’s a pyramid scheme. 😂😂😂
Lmfao
To be fair, everything is a pyramid scheme. You start with 1 CEO getting paid far too much, a couple of VPs, many managers and far too many employees making bare minimum salary.
Prove me wrong.
This is actually crazy 😂cause just yesterday I had the interview and this very thing happened I’m trying to give it the benefit of doubt but I don’t really believe in coincidence.
@@Kleines97 pyramid, trapezoid, maybe even an Octagon scheme
It's so weird for me to hear of Amway as an MLM. My dad worked for the company as a toxicologist testing the cosmetic products for safety years ago. They always had amazing corporate events (for the "actual" employees, not distributors). Also, so funny to me that they hate on corporate when there's literally people employed by Amway in a typical "9 to 5" probably making significantly more money than 99% of the distributors and getting all the benefits that none of them are getting.
THIS! But for every mlms.
absolutely and it's just because people are haters, there is always going to be some.
amway as a company is absolutely legit. there's no "mlm" about it
@@kalikiexp618 There are 9-5 workers in every mlm, making the products and handling the backdoor operations, that doesn’t mean they aren’t mlms… Herbalife needs people formulating and testing the products for safety, doesn’t mean they aren’t an mlm. Bomb Party has people making the bath bombs and putting in orders for their probably mass produced rings, still an MLM. Avon needs people formulating and testing their products as well behind the scenes, still an mlm.
@@Waryfaerie That's not what is being said. The company is still MLM but the workers working 9-5 for said company have the very jobs the MLM independents are criticizing while not getting paid but the 9-5 are getting the benefits and paid free events..
my dad got on the top of the pyramid and was making some serious money off of it back in the early 90s, then he abruptly had a spiritual awakening and quit
tbh based dad
@@s1lv3rv01d 😂😂😂😂😂
So what does he do now
in the meetings they literally tell you not to talk to your friends and family about it because they might try to convince you to not do it
Wow. I have heard of it. I'm 53 and while not brainy I'm not stupid but knew little you nothing about it. After listening and reading comments it reminds me of a lady over 20 years ago we lived next ro Idaho. She sold something called melaluka and everything in her home was melaluka. In bulk. Kept trying to convince me until I finally became rude to her to get the point across. She was nuts!
True, in the meetings we were told to only tell those who we as IBO's felt could have been right for it. And those that seemed turned off, kick the dust on them and don't look back. That included our family and close friends. We were told repeatedly to ditch them because those who will be in the business are out there and these rejections will only make us stronger. Needless to say I lost a lot of friends and estranged my family. 😔 😢
That’s literally what cults do, speaking from someone who was in one
Wow this makes sense why my friend has been more distant since joining… 💔she tried to get me to join but I got weird vibes.
I’m very anti-cult I’m even skeptical of the local church 🥱
FAX THEY DID THE SAME THING WITH ME!!!
Even suggested I should break up with my girlfriend because she thought it was a scam 😂😂😂
I remember back in the 90s, my uncle swore he was gonna be a millionaire by joining Amway… and we’re still waiting 😂
😂🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂
Same with my uncle & his wife it’s honestly sad they have been brainwashed & they are still no near a millionaire after Covid the people that join under them stop following them & their business went down hills so much so they’re behind tax on their home I honestly wish them the best I hope they make it out of this 😢
I babysat two kids many nights a week (and weekends) back in the early 90’s, while the mom and dad did Amway “so they could quit their 9 to 5 and spend time as a family.” I babysat a lot. Their entire garage was full of Amway stuff, and they were always going to meetings with prospects….meanwhile, I spent the quality time with their kids.
I hope you got paid with money and not product.
Holy.
That’s what my sister is caught up with right now. She and her hubby started amway a year before they had their first kid, and now they have two. But they still say they’ve only been doing it for two years…
I got invited to an Amway meet up when I was younger and it was so cultish. I remember everyone all being freakishly happy and I just had this bad feeling in my stomach. So glad I didn’t join 😅
Ohhh absolutely. It’s a cult, they need to be exposed. You did the best thing not joining Amway
how many years on average does it take for someone to realize it's a scam??
@@wbcsexammentorshipit really depends, as with most cult-like things. It took me 7 years.
@rachelkearney8042 I knew a guy heavily into Amway and he talked at length about it, had books, CDs etc. I don't know that it would be a cult, but it definitely didn't make sense. For starters everybody got into it with the sole purpose of getting out of it - retire early supposedly - but they all hated it, the only reason they would be so anxious to get out. Also, he didn't even have any Amway products. They may have been plants.
I was in Quixtar that later dropped that alias to go back to Amway and I was directly told at a weekly meeting, that this was the best cult you'll ever want to be a part of cause you'll get rich so who wouldn't want to be apart of that cult. 😂
I just had an incredibly coercive, cult like meeting with one of these Amway guys, my first red flag is he wore the exact same outfit from the day I met him to the meeting we had set up which were 4 days apart. It started as us being on equal footing before he basically told me my parents ain’t shit, my family ain’t shit, but he has all the answers to solve that without actually giving me a single real answer. I really had to laugh when he was telling me how “I live a lifestyle your parents and you could only dream of” when my old man makes a half a million dollars a year as a successful executive in corporate America. I used to do sales, and he pulled every single sales tactic in the book as well as trying to manipulate me by invoking God into the conversation and playing towards politics he thought I’d agree with. I’m a professional journalist though so I saw right through it all but entertained his nonsense nonetheless just to see how much he’d embarrass himself. He’ll be waiting for me at a cafe in the coming days but low and behold, I won’t be there.
This literally sounds like an "and then everybody clapped" moment....
I was in amway for 3 years.. I’d love to talk more about the compensation plan and how bad it is.
Let’s hear it.
Its been good for me
@@laurenciolira2845 lol I’m sure it has😅
@@laurenciolira2845how so. How much did you make? And was it more than you spent?
Please go ahead
My wife and I were at a local supermarket. Had a guy approach us and started talking about finances. I majored in economics in college so I’m always game for conversations about money. So I thought this guy was just another econbro. This was during Covid so he was like “hey man we should zoom, I’d love to talk to you more. That convo the other night was great!” I unfortunately thought this guy wanted to be friends. The zoom call felt like an interview. Ended up inviting me to meet some of his “friends and mentors” so I was like “alright.. why not?” The next zoom call was some random couple discussing the “proven system” they have. They talked a lot but were saying nothing at the same time. Lost his number immediately.
Hey if you see this, I just went to one of these, thing is it was a church buddy. Should I be worried lmaooo, everything they said was basically the Andrew tates or money gurus on UA-cam.
@@37RYAN nah, make up an excuse as to why you can’t attend. They’ll consider you “not serious about changing your life/taking this opportunity” and should leave you alone. They’re in so deep they can’t fathom that they’re in a scam, so they’ll continue to pad their egos. If morons don’t want to hang out with you, honestly much better for you. 😂
@@TedWassanasong has happened to me like 5x now. Really sucks when youre just a friendly person looking to build community
I almost got recruited by an Amway/WorldWide group girl this weekend! I gave her good customer service at my retail job to find skirts and blazers, and she seemed really nice, calls me back AT MY JOB, trying to get me on the phone, butter me up, say I had great customer service skills, to ask me to come to a coffee chat to discuss "WorldWide"and I told her I don't agree to interviews on the phone at my job, since all calls are monitored and coffee chats usually lead to MLMs 😂.
Good for you! I wish I could go back in time and avoid just that hook-up that drew my wife into this freak show.
Kudos to you way to piss em off
SUBBBED. Amway destroyed my Father he has been in for 22 years never made any money but still believes it is going to make him rich. It is so good to finally see an Anti MLMER talking about amway. Please make more videos about Amway. Dexter Yager would be the best place for you to start.
Yeah, kind of sad, as I said in my other comment above, lots of brainwashing tactics among various Amway organizations
Then Fitzpatrick
A friend of mine joined AmWay and thé second she said “they said they’re not an MLM, so it’s fine!” I’m telling you three alarms were BLARING in my head. She’s trying to convince my fiancé (her close friend) to but shit and he’s just as sussed out as I am.
Thank you for making this video Isabel..I recently came across a married couple at an Entrepreneural event that was held in my city. He vaugely described his ppsition as a distributor working in e-commerce. I met his wife on our first planned meet up. We just talked about the event and more about me and what im looking for in life. They brought up mentorship and i was interested in what that would look like. We met a second time just the past tuesday and they told me they work for Amway. I never heard of it so I had no idea. I just attended a meeting at their mentors house tonight with 50+ others in a small living room at 8pm and it dawned on me as their mentor displayed and discused the business model, but it wasnt till i came home and actually did some digging and i feel terribly sick. I am so disgusted and feel like a sheep. Im glad you are helping others see right through Amway's MLM ways. I am set to meet with them tomorrow but Im afraid i will have to pass up this "opportunity."
I grew up as an "amway kid". I tried it in my early twenties and still cringe over 10yrs later at my former self. My parents are still involved and have made little to no $ to this point- over the course of over 20yrs. They sell the products, but mostly just to some family members. I didn't find any of it odd till the last 6yrs or so. My upline heard I had moved back and wanted to get together and discuss business. They didn't ask about my husband they had never met or my newborn. With them circling around back to old recruits tells me their business is possibly in trouble.
I hope so! Amway’s business model is so 1950s. Amway should simply sell direct on line.
I wish there was a Team that could teach people how to use social media to build the business using true and tried real marketing skills. They seem to just want to keep people in the dark so they can keep them on the tools forever.
I was approached at a conference by an "IBO" or whatever who told me that his "mentor" helped him and his wife create passive income, and grow a network of successful people. Right away that sounded like an MLM to me. We had two phone calls and a zoom meeting. I spoke with these guys on three seperate occasions for about an hour each time and was given relatively no information. Not even the name of the company I'd be "partnering" with. They asked me to read the 4 Cashflow Quardrants by Kiyosaki. I assume the purpose of that was to have a best-selling author explain why pyramid schemes are cool and how to get away with them smh. On the third meeting they FINALLY said Amway and LTD. I did like 4 minutes of research and knew it was a scam/cult. I just so gullible for not knowing about this soon. This is the most recent video i could find and i appreciate you for posting.
You didn’t get sucked in and did your research. You didn’t give them money. You’re not gullible, imo. You just had a couple meetings/conversations trying to get information.
@@topdogg1231 well yes it is a mlm. However not all mlm's are scams. Firs off pyramid where the top dog makes all the money and the lower folks make little compared to the corporate leadership and owners.... thats a regular job my friend. Secondly scam mlm's have you get paid by how many you get in. Not by the volume of product you sell. You meet the certain quota you get a % and if your team does the same and maintains a certain level... same thing you make more. Yes a majority don't make squat... but how many are first year vs 20+. Where there is potential success there is potential failure. And most are happy making just a few dollars. I've seen and been through real scams. Amway like Avon has been criticized. But both rely on you selling product. And it's how you run the biz. Just like ebay resellers and others. Most make Jack squat. And those who get it make money and yet others find a way to kill it. I see my parents where their life choices left them... and my past 20 years 2 times divorced now dissabled vet. Amd I know an opportunity when I see it.
My mom's cousin and her husband were in Amway bigtime in the late 80s and 90s, and I believe are still part of the company. I don't know any financial details of their situation but from what I can see, business went south and they fell HARD. In the 1990s, they were running elbows with politicians and celebrities and were buying progressively larger houses. Then in the mid 2010s, they moved abruptly and my parents found out that their house had been foreclosed on. Now they live in a rented house that is much much smaller. They should be approaching retirement age, but instead he still sells credit card scanner machines, and their daughter (who I am friends with) says "my parents don't have any savings". For all the displays of wealth they showed off in the good years, they sure have nothing now compared to my parents who supported my brother and I on my dad's engineer income and are now living a quite comfortable retirement.
Yesss! Omg my parents joined Amway and it had ruined my life and our relationship. The weird religious side in the Latin groups has changed my parents views dramatically
That is so true. They absolutely PREY on the LatinX community especially new immigrants. It’s sad really.
The hell is a latinx lmao.
@@davidcook680 spoken like an entitled asshat.
Latinos. Not Latinx. It's very racist and disrespectful to change words to sugarcoat your feelings.
@@s.s.9160 I’m Mexican. My bad dude. I’ve fixed it. Idk what feelings I’m sugar coating that you’re on about. I’m not chronically online so I’m not sure what’s still considered correct and when it changed. I’ve been told off online for not using the stupid x before so I started using it. I’m not sure what you mean by sugar coating my feelings. I’ll state them plainly. My Mexican parents joined Amway. They’re now super religious, homophobic, and encouraged to be financially abusive to their friends and family. They blame lack of success in the “business” on their family not wanting to throw money at a financial cult and the fact I’m queer. Idk what other feelings you assume I’m sugar coating.
My book I wrote about Amway made more money than myself being in Amway 😂
Most definitely
I mean there is money in Amway, but it is all other peoples money. They put up a facade that they are so called “helping” people, but in reality they are just manipulating and cheating them. It’s terrible
What Is The name of The Book 😊
Book?
Amway really is the worst of the worst, the thing that most people even Anti MLMERS do not understand about Amway is that most of the money that the Diamonds make is coming from selling training tools not the Amway business. Please report on the Amway tool scam.
I hate Amway with a passion! Especially when they had their conventions and would stay at the hotel I worked at. It was ridiculous.
😂😂
I was in for 5 years and still have some of the books they had "revised" for us that were outrageously overpriced. The leadership groups are where $ is made mostly, cost of events, travel, learning material, etc. I'd love to provide any information I can to get the word out that it's as horrible as it sounds and the people are worse.
Please do explain your story
These people in Amway are parasites and some of them would sell out their own family to get rich. It’s despicable, I also fell prey to this, the problem is that in America, the system is broke and many people fall vulnerable to these MLMs because these MLMs point out the real problems of this country, but their solution is profiteering off of others. If this country improved and regulated these MLMs and shut them down once and for all, less people would fall prey to their scams.
Explain….
As a 90s kid, I grew up with Amway products in my home. Thankfully my mom never sold the products or joined the company. I remember sitting in the back of her SUV waiting....and waiting...and waiting, for what seemed like an eternity ,for her to grab a giant box of Amway cleaning products, vitamins, snacks, and supplements. My mom swore up and down that the products were "The best on the market!" and wouldn't buy that stuff anywhere else. To this day, my parents spend well over $200 a month on vitamins and supplements from Amway! No matter how many times I've explained that they can get those SAME vitamins at our local discount Grocery store for substantially less! Amway has a weird way of becoming a fungus in the heads and lives of those unfortunate enough to encounter it.
I'm sorry but no, nobody/very few do/ does vitamins and supplements the way Nutritlite does it I'm just saying. the seed to supplement process to ensure top quality and safety is literally something they created and I know of no other company that does and owns their own organic farms. just saying
@@kalikiexp618 yea nutrilite is top quality sucks that the only way to get them is through Amway
Have you try to buy those cheaper version of the vitamin and putting it into the packing from Amway?
@@ishouldbedoingmyhomeworkno535 no, bevause this is breaking every moral code and boundary. Let them spend that they want. You wouldn’t secretly feed a veggie meat.
They are also not substantialy priced less... almost all the amway products I've looked at are about the same as what you would get at a discount grocery store, maybe a few dollars more. In some cases they are more, but people pay for what they want, that's the bottom line. And I must agree that the quality of the products are quite substantially higher in comparison to what you can get at your local discount store. So from what I've seen, most products are around the same price, and the quality is certainly there, because like our friend above said, there are people working 9-5 jobs in Amway and at their partners companies to ensure quality, and I would say the integrity is in my opinion above average. And if you're upset and don't want to be a distributor, apply for a job if you want the benefits and the guaranteed pay.
Back when Amway was conceived, shopping choices were very limited in most of the US, at least. There was appeal to being able to get your household necessities, vitamins, cosmetics, all in one place and brought to your door. Too bad it's a pyramid scheme and the products are shit!
Someone tried to get me to join Amway once, by inviting me to a regional convention. It did the opposite-it was weirdly culty and on the Sunday of convention they had an anti-LGBTQ evangelical preacher speak, and I literally stomped out in anger.
Do you remember what group this was?
Was this LTD??
Unfortunately, don’t remember which group it was, but it was in the Midwest if that helps. It was several years ago now, so I don’t remember particulars.
@@annafaherty7464 it sounds like LTD the Sunday service i went to was this way! They would have an alter call and “save” people and that’s why they should build the biz to save more people
@@elizad7762 that makes sense. I remember the people who tried to recruit me were religious-they even told me a weird rule they had with other couples where they would always sit across the table from someone of the opposite sex so nobody thought anything untoward was going on. I thought it was odd but I didn’t expect the whole company event to be so evangelical until I went!
Im so grateful for you making these videos. You dont understand how much you're helping these people right now. Ive lost way too much money in MLM and its absurd
I lost a partner who our upline pretty much dictated when we should've been married. The ring I purchased wasn't expensive enough and we were told we should've waited till at least emerald. When I split with my partner the shame came heavier with our upline then the actual split up because I was told I destroyed our future and was quitting on our dream.
@@robynryan7473That’s so cultish what the heck
@@khloecarver1246 yeah tell me about it. It went pretty badly and the breakup sucked pretty bad but I can almost bet that my ex remained in the business long after we split. My uplines pretty much dictated much of that relationship despite what anyone says. Hopefully my ex is happy screwing over more people then me.
I photographed an amway party/retreat a few months ago where the top amway earnings from each country got together along with the two owners. It was very interesting to see all of them knowing what I know about mlms.
Omg I got tricked into joining them. I was on a Facebook group for girls looking to network and stuff. I had asked about how to open a Boutique and this girl commented about how she helps people with their businesses and can help me out. I set up a time with her and her mentor and they talked about something totally different…. They pressured me into joining like I don’t know how I even joined. Then they had a convention and I didn’t wanna go but again was convinced to go. After coming back, I started researching these people and found out it was an MLM! Let me tell you I just ignored them and never responded to them at all.
No offense but they prey on people like you. People that have trouble standing up for themselves. There is a statement that is repeated on all of these anti - MLM channels. “ no is a sentence “. If you don’t want to do something you tell someone no and move on. There really is no such thing as being “forced “ to do something unless someone is physically over powering you. We need to empower women to be able to walk away from something that makes them feel uncomfortable.
@@karinaz8756 So you’re saying that everyone who has ever joined an MLM doesn’t know how to stand up for themselves? That’s a bold statement to make. When someone says “no offense” it’s definitely an offensive thing to say. I believe this channel is about helping others not to fall for MLM claims and such. If you don’t have anything nice to say don’t say it at all, you don’t know why people joined MLM’s. If I didn’t know how to stand up for myself then I could’ve stayed and let them walk all over me. No one is perfect in this world, and if you’ve never had to deal with them then good for you but don’t try to bring others down just cause you’re so proud of yourself. No offense…
Do you remember what group you were in?
I was in LTD
@@elizad7762 I was also in LTD!
Thank you so much for talking about Amway. It is so annoying none of the big Anti MLMERs ever talk about amway.
I was in amway! Everything was crazy tricky and somewhat scary. I was 19 driving hours away for classes, meet ups, etc…. I finally left after realizing spending over $400 a month wasn’t sustainable
A lot of people in MLMs are parasites that put up a front just to get some money in their pockets. It’s disgusting who these people would cheat and profiteer off of.
How much did u make ?
@@Contractorlyfe nothing because she’s a quitter
Hey, did you at least get your $50 3% check?
@cmsull3316 Amway is lame as hell bud
I moved to Grand Rapids in 2016 and quickly learned how MLM-ridden this place is. You have to be suspicious of anyone striking up conversation while you’re out shopping… if you think you’ve made a new friend, give it a few days… they’ll probably call you about a really amazing opportunity that ties into your interests/skills (spoiler alert: it doesn’t really, it’s just an MLM). Luckily I heard enough stories (including descriptions of the predatory couple) so I knew to not engage when they approached.
My mother in law used to sell their products and said it was literally part of their training to prey on people who seemed eager to make friends. Very sad.
Happened to me in Texas lol
All sales is predatory by definition. You choose whether or not you want to be sold to, or if you want to get involved with any MLM. I will just bluntly say again, sales is predatory. That's just the bottom line.
@stephengeier7918 You can do sales without being predatory. You might not make as much money, but you will keep your integrity intact.
Omg I’m here because this happened to me! I live in ATX and was at a grocery store a few weeks back when this lady approached me complimenting me on my flip flops. I work a full time job and drive for Uber on the side to make ends meet and I had just got my car back from the collision center a few days before this encounter. I was the victim of a hit and run and was injured from the wreck and on top of that I hadn’t been able to Uber for almost 2 weeks while my car was in the collision center, so I have been very short on money. I only had a few bucks to find something to eat that night and was exhausted and just wanted to go home. She kept talking and asking me all these questions about my personal life and not wanting to be rude, I kept answering. I guess I sounded like the perfect target, being in a vulnerable position from everything that’s happened to me the past 9-10 months.
We exchanged numbers and I forgot about it until she called me about a week ago to meet for coffee. I’ve met with her and her husband three times now and they were telling me about a business opportunity and he was looking to hire a few employees but they didn’t tell me until yesterday that it was Amway. I had never heard about this company so I’m researching it now and so glad I discovered this before I got roped in! I’m supposed to go to a “info session” Tuesday night but I’ll be letting them know I’m no longer interested. It’s so sad they preyed on someone in a vulnerable situation for their own gain. Thankfully there were enough red flags and I’m glad I dug deeper and didn’t ignore them 😭
I’ve always been so fascinated by Amway. I lived in Grand Rapids, MI, where DeVos and VanAndle are HUGE names (they own so much of the city) but no one seems to mind that they are all involved in a pyramid scheme?? Makes me think that this company is no where near the most sketchy part of their business dealing.
Yes!! I’m from west Michigan and have spent a ton of time in Grand Rapids, and I’m so surprised this isn’t more talked about here
Yeah, they talked about Grand Rapids in The Dream podcast and it made me so uncomfortable. I despise this city and that’s a big reason why.
My parents did Amway in the 90s and I absolutely hated everything about it especially the products!
My parents are to this day weirdly obsessed with the toothpaste and mouthwash 😒
Name the products, I’d really like some facts.
I found the Amway guy! I do not remember the names of household products my parents used when I was in elementary school. I do remember having them piled up in closets despite not having any food in the fridge. I do remember the sheriff's removing us from my childhood home even though my parents were still trying to get their friends and family to join this scam by saying it was a money making opportunity.
The only time in my life I've been pitched an MLM, it was Amway/Quixtar. It's been close to 20 years now since then. I was 18-19 and my boyfriend(21) at the time was invited by a high school friend over to his place for dinner. I remember feeling excited to meet old friends of his from before I knew him, hoping I could get some fun stories from their teenaged antics lol. I also remember this dude lived in a downtown loft, which was gorgeous. The food was delicious but dinner convo was severely lacking, sadly. Then afterwards dude busts out a large plain paper notebook, sets it on a wooden easel looking things, and starts presenting. All I remember him writing was squares connected to each other with lines, and guess what shape they made. 🤣 His main point was that Quixtar offers all the household essentials you're buying already, that you can one-stop-shop for all of it, plus make money getting other people to buy their household needs there too. I ended up buying a $300 box of assorted supplements, snacks, laundry detergent and cleaning supplies, most of which were deluxe sample sizes. Detergent was immediately out cuz it's powdered. Snacks were good but not anything special. I remember looking over the website shortly after and thinking the prices were insane, at least for a broke college student. Never heard from that guy again after that night lol, so I'm glad I didn't inadvertently sign up for something at least.
It's sad that you lost &300 bucks.
I came across this video because I too, unfortunately, got roped into amway. I'm going to be posting a video about my own experience and insight because I don't think many people are aware of this at all. I also just found it extremely weird that they brand themselves as a "clean and organic" line, however a simple google search of the ingredients in the products will show you they are not at all healthy- just another marketing ploy. I did mention this to my mentor and she was not at all phased that the ingredients in the products were not in fact healthy. all she had to say was that "amway updates their ingredients every few years" ok girl. thanks for sharing this❤
Hi guys,
I want to apologise in avanced for my basic English, a very VERY VERY long essay but I really need and want your help.
First of all, about my concern. My sister is currently working as an Amway distributor. She is definitely not an actual employee because she is an international student. She has been a part of this group for roughly 2 years. Shortly after joining this multi level marketing “family”, she neglected her education (don’t wanna say drop out but yeah,…she nearly drops out due to having failed many courses), believing that she retires at the age of 30 with this job, only using products from amway if available, calling home like twice A YEAR, attending these “meetings” regularly (3 times/week, 6hours/meeting session), claiming that this job is the only one people should be doing and other jobs, especially 9-5 jobs, are trash. The reason why I have all the info is because of many help from my parents’ friend. Then we flew there and refused to leave without seeing her. And we made her stay with us in the hotel and demanded more information. Unfortunately, we only got the info but failed to drag her out of the situation.
Secondly, why I need your help. So, she is trying to persuade me into joining. However, I have rejected many times (she snapped and shouted at me, sometimes I think she wanted to bunch me at that moment). Now she does not want to meet our family after I rejected and become more addicted with the team building, selling products for amway. The last time I rejected, she even admired her mentor like the lady is a god and told me that I can only improve and develop when being “trained” by her mentor.
CAN I DEPROGRAM HER F-ING CULT MIND? IF POSSIBLE, WHAT SHOULD I DO AS A 19 YEARS OLD TEENAGER? It may sound stupid, but I’m planning to join and fake accepting her offer. I think in that case, I can be closer and easier to detach her with this cult. Cause right now, I’m like extremely far from her. I’m in VietNam, she is in America. And in the family, my parents can barely speak English, only I can.
I want to thank anyone for advice, tips. I’m feeling really lucky right now cause I found this. I have always felt that they are quite…sketchy…i guess
Omg, thank you for doing this! I've been waiting for someone to talk about Amway and the few creators that i asked said they didn't want to get into it cuz it's such a Goliath company. My friend's husband has been in Amway for the past 10+ years. If he makes any money from it, it's absolutely minimal cuz he still works side jobs in order to have an income (and funnel more money to the top, obviously). My friend hates it cuz she can see how they manipulate him, but i don't think she gets the full extent of how bad it really is. Ugh, the stories I could tell... a cult in every sense of the word
The funniest part is I almost fell for Amway and they kept asking for my "investment." I kept brushing it off sold these XS drinks (from one of the lead distributors) which were actually 🗑️. Thats when the realization hit, I did some research and realized they were basically a scam. So I gave the money back to the people I sold the drinks to. Basically gave the drinks away for free 😂. Amway kept asking for my investment and I left. They didnt like me after that.
Them XS drinks are like their robot/brain washing juice. They tasted horrible!
Keep up the good work.
These companies take ppl that are desperate and then scam them out of money and make it all that person’s fault, that they’re ‘not working hard enough’, ‘not following the systems’ and ‘letting themselves down’??!
These ppl end up worse off both financially and it probably impacts their mental health too.
So keep up the good work. You’ve got a ‘like ‘ and ‘engagement’ from me to help with the YT algorithm 😊
I was born and my family lived near the headquarters of Amway and my parents tried to sell Amway in the early 90s for extra cash as young newlyweds fresh out of college and just had my first brother. They never succeeded and lost money because OBVIOUSLY they were probably the 99th downline and EVERYONE within a 25 mile radius is in Amway or already has a distributor to buy from by the 90s. 30 years later, my cousin is a full time, SALARY employee for the manufacturing side of Amway.
P.s. I recommend looking into how many buildings and businesses in Grand Rapids Michigan have the founders last names on them 👀👀 also, Betsy DeVos 👀👀
I didn't know Amway was an MLM for so long because so many of my family members worked regular 9-5 jobs in corporate and we always had Amway products laying around lol.
My partner and I got invited to a business opportunity meeting, unbeknownst to us it was for Scamway. We stayed for the free food and full hour long PowerPoint to not be rude. They gave us a bunch of “sample” products from their giant stash. The concentrated cleaning products were actually pretty great but everything else was extremely overpriced for very MEH quality. We had to eventually block them because they wouldn’t accept that we weren’t interested in working with them and kept calling/texting us for weeks after the sales pitch.
I was recruited about 10 years ago. The laundry detergent was actually really good lol. I got a 380$ bundle that included cleaning products and who knows what else but I did like the cleaning products. I never stayed long enough to purchase anything outside of that beginner package but I'm sure it would've been over priced.
my mom has been an avid follower of amway ever since I was a kid and my siblings and I have tried to tell her about how corrupt it is and tried to talk her out of it but she won't listen. I'm really worried that they're just going to take and take her money and she won't be able to retire. when she left the Mormon church she went straight to amway, literally went from one cult to another.
Eek! It's common for Mormons (present and former) to be into MLMs. There's an old joke: MLM stands for "Mormons Losing Money". One particularly notorious one, LuLaRoe, was founded by a Mormon couple (Mark and DeAnne Stidham). Don't give up on trying to get your mom out though. There's always hope...
I had a hilarious experience at a store where this lady struck up a conversation with me who ended up inviting me to this business meeting. The other attendees were very enthusiastic and bubbly, but its a great thing that I am always interested in seeing concrete proof of success rather than hearing success stories. Now the lady invited me for a follow-up meeting, the woman from the store explained the business to me, including how money can multiply when others join. She even gave me some samples of their products. Bruhhhhhhh!!
I can't stop laughing I never watched you videos Isabella but you hit this on the DOTTTTTTT. if anyone if watched the movie bye bye man thats what amway reminds me of hahaha. Ima attend the next meeting just to call out this bs, hopefully they dont... nvm
Sorry you went through that. These people come off as friendly and approachable but thats how they get us. I just found out after a recruiting meeting i had came back from tonight. Im supppsed to meet with my "mentors tomorrow' and i think im just gonna straight up call him tomorrow and cancel. They deserve to be called out. How did it go?
I have a great Amway story from the early 1990's. A guy I was dating at the time was being recruited and he gave it some consideration and, at the time anyway, they were pushing people joining as couples. He and I were in college and he was also in the national guard. The couple that were trying to recruit him/us extended an invitation to their upcoming convention and he was unable to go because it was his weekend with the guard so he asked me to go without him and let him know what I thought. Needless to say I thought it was a complete "sh**show"...the whole thing came across to me like a giant high school pep rally. They had people singing and cheering and it was nuts. But, that wasn't what totally put me off. What did, was their political pressure evident in the speeches. Essentially they were saying if you don't vote as they do, something is wrong with you. That turned me off instantly. The other thing was that they were trying to become,, as was shared in this, everything to everyone, like Wal Mart. My problem with this, when my boyfriend shared their catalog from the time, was that they were falsely claiming that becoming a distributor would save you money because you would be buying from yourself. I pointed out to him the prices compared to what you pay at regular stores and shopping around, were too high to actually benefit that way. An example I remember is that he showed me a dining table set you could get through them ( at the time I think they were trying out big purchases along with household products, not sure if they still sell furniture and other big ticket items) that was $2000.... a heck of a lot of money then, and even now, not necessary though it could be argued not unreasonable for a price now. I told him we could go to a second hand store and get better quality furniture than what they were selling, for much less, and we would really be paying ourselves by SAVING the money and keeping it in our own "pockets". At that, he realized it wasn't worth it and dodged that bullet, thankfully.
I lived in Australia for a year and someone I went to college with tried to get me into it. He lied and said it was a marketing job (which is what we both went to school for, although I was more the art side) and wanted to “hire” me to do stuff for his company that he was an exec for. Then on the Skype call, he said he was sending me a box of products and I would be advertising it around Australia for them as their “international” marketer. I got suspicious and did research and realized it was a scam. I got to keep the box of products but I don’t remember what I did with them, as this was years ago. I don’t know if he’s still with them, as he eventually unfriended me lol 😝
The extremely different thing with Amway that isn’t touched on, is that other companies have “affiliation” with them, so it’s not just Amways products.
The “IBO’s” made PV when they/their down line made purchases through the affiliated companies online. They had SO many companies. Target and Citi bank were some I remember that were added when I was in back in 2014.
So the push when Target and Citi Bank were added was to buy all groceries through Target, buy all non-Amway comparable things at Target with a Citi Bank card. To x3 on the PV.
The reason why Amway IBO’s don’t go to social or share products is because the money is truly in switching any and all products you use/team building. And that’s super hard to word on an IG post.
Have you listened to the podcast the dream? Amway is so entangled with US politics it's unreal.
Amway is the reason that loophole for defining a pyramid scheme exists.
I know someone close to me who's pretty high up in Amway. They don't cold message or force you or annoy you, but they do recruit if anyone wants to join. They cannot get a home loan, because an MLM is not a reliable source of income so they're forced to rent until they can buy a home with cash.
I checked some prices of like vitamins at Amway. I bought 100 D vitamin tablets for 79 swedish crowns, which is like.. 8 dollars I guess. Amway sells 30 D vitamin tablets for 20+ dollars. Just makes no sense to me.
"Illuminaughty is an amazing creator"
well, that aged poorly 😅
anyway, I'm from Russia and I also grew up with Amway around me and people I know. It's been a long time since I've heard about it tho. Great video!💜
It so did 😂 I’ve had a few comments about this on my other videos and I gotta let y’all know that I won’t be mentioning that creator ever again in a positive light! I don’t fuck with bad creators! I appreciate you thank you for being here 💗
@@IsabellaLanter thank you for amazing content!
my bf keeps trying to get into Amway it's been stressing me out so much like I buy my stuff at grocery outlet and WinCo I'm not spending $500 a month at Amway for the same stuff
My parents were part of Amway when I was a kid. I remember going to Charlotte for a convention. My sister and I ran around the entire hotel that night. We could never get away with that nowadays. It is a fun memory.
Also, my parents made me use the shampoo and conditioner. It wasn't good. I started buying my own as a teenager.
Omg I'm only here to say that I was recently approached by a couple for a second time while shopping who I could tell was a part of an MLM. They started talking about mentorship and passive income blah blah blah. These people literally try to prey on others in hopes that you're some vulnerable, desperate and unhappy individual who works some “horrible 9-5". Newsflash, I'm a medical physicist and I have my own business. I'm doing very well and enjoy my career. My bf on the other hand is s very successful commercial real estate broker. No thank you; we are doing well! It's like leave me alone! I get offended by them approaching me in the first place😂
I spent 7 years busting my butt in Amway being close to the hardest worker I knew in the business. My wife and I just got out.
Some of the stuff you have here is right, and some of the problems you mention aren’t really an issue. But there are much MUCH deeper, scarier, cultier, and scamier problems that you didn’t touch on here, and that I didn’t fully realize until we got out.
Let me know if you’d like to hear about it
I definitely want to know the deeper & scarier stuff!!!! Hope she sees this comment!
I’d like to hear more about it if you don’t mind I’m currently in the business for about 4 months.
I'll tell you exactly how they're getting away with it not being considered a pyramid scheme (I know, because my upline encouraged this) -
They have products that they require a certain value to be sold to customers (somewhere around $300/month, I think). The slimy part is - the IBO can buy the product and claim it as "customer bought" if they want to just give it away to someone as a gift or sell it to a customer at a whatever price they want just to be able to hit their rank goal. So in reality, there may be some people that are straight up not selling anything and just giving it away. As long as they're claiming it as customer bought, Amway doesn't care.
My best friends parents n family sold amway and I was used as a joke on how they made so much money as I was always over and basically lived at their house. I honestly didn't know it as a MLM or the scams to come as I was just a teen. Eventually I learned and kinda feel disappointed in what her parents would say about me to get others to sign. I love her family still as I don't think they ment it mean but we're brainwashed to push.
@11:55 Watching this in 2024 oof the illuminaughti part did not age well 😭
She was a good channel. Until she started mistreating people and recycling content. But yeah, that really did age like fine wine.
@@ScarlettMaraxa ik i used to watch her videos 😭
Have you considered a deeper dive into the Amway "Motivational Organizations" such as WWDB, etc.? They make all the bogus self-help books and tapes, while putting on the conventions in arenas.
I was actually in Amway….. I got out bc I did feel as if it was Cultish. They promote Jesus ALOT. I don’t even want to know how much money I wasted on top of my recruiter treating me like crap or less than then dropping off a coffee cup at my house without texting to even ask what was wrong.. it was all crazy
My dad's one and only hilarious and agonisingly stupid MLM story involves an Amway couple. It gets me every time. One day I'll send it in for Deanna to read so we can all cackle at their weird, weird ways.
I want to know
I'm very excited to see a big UA-camr talk about Amway. Just started the video, but I'd love to see you do a deep dive on the two founders and their sons, Dexter Yager, and Bill Britt
I joined Amway in 2018 with my cousin all she said are correct and they used God to justify their way. I did not make any money but spent more on the product, books, booklet they created just so they can make a plan , audiobooks, and the motivation book. The only thing I can say is that it gets my money's worth I get to travel all over the state. My family had to tell me to quit because I was so deep in there.
😁😁😁 I LOVE ENDING MY DAYS ON AN ✨Isabella✨ NOTE 😭😭😭♥️
My dad joined Amway back in the late ‘80s and I remember the Artistry cosmetics line. It was fine but, prolly overpriced. In Canada, Amway was know as Quixtar in the 2000 decade and a rep attempted to recruit myself and my now hubby.
With the ruling that favored them… I truly loath Amway.
Lol I remember the show 'On becoming a god in central florida'. Some said the mlm in the show is supposed to be Amway.
It is mandatory as an IBO (amway sales affiliate) to sell 60% or more of your own inventory (products you buy yourself) and it has to be to be sold to an actual live person that the amway sales tracker website checks if you are actually selling or if you are cheating the system. If you do not meet 60%+ inventory sale you are given 60 days 2 months only) to make at least 60% inventory sale or you are no longer an active distributer. If you are not active then you do not get any rewards from amway and you cannot claim amway as a “business” when you file your taxes under 1099 form. It’s not a pyramid scheme, and you can make real money but you need to be really charming as a salesperson and you can burn out quick if you don’t like sales
Former IBO here and i guess by that intro i have thrown away my future and, as my upline would often say thrown away the buisness opportunity of a lifetime. Watching this makes it a bit better in my decision to not flush my stinkin job huh!!
It’s so divisive. My friend who I love got mad at me for not buying or joining it
We were in it for 6 years and have friends in it. The lesson we learned on leadership you can apply to life. They want you to do 300 pv and say that is the standard. That is over 1,000.000 dollars a month not including what you spend on conference tickets and traveling expenses going to the conference. We barely made any money from it and just couldn't afford it anymore.
I grew up in Amway & did it for awhile. I will never do a MLM again, however some of the products are great. LOC was great, however it was a newer concept in the 80’s & 90’s..
I love how you sound like you're on 2x speed on the reg. It pleases me 🤪
Network marketing is basically just a distribution scheme. It pays distributors to build a sales network, with the incentive of being paid according to the size of the network and the volume of sales through it. It's not inherently an unethical system.
My dad briefly did amway during the 80s I do believe. he still spouts some other sayings like not saying job but spelling it out because having a real job is looked down on. So weird.
I got pitched the thing in high school, when a girl I went to school with told me that she had an awesome business opportunity because she knows I’m poor. She had me meet up with her at Hardee’s and there was an older woman there with a PowerPoint. I knew better, it sounded too good to be true.
Oh God. My parents used to be involved with Amway back in the early 80s.
Someone just tried to get me through the "vetting" process to see if we're a good fit...
I was aggressively recruited for amway by an old high school friend and at no point did he try to sell me anything. It's very clear the only goal with amway reps is recruiting people and selling them "the business opportunity"
Amway is an absolute pyramid scheme. Now there's a new one out called Starfish is absolutely just as bad
Thanks for this video I think it was so informative and well thought out. I was looking for info about this particular MLM because some friends of mine who are Spanish speakers that I know that are trying to get involved with them. I bring that up because I was thinking of the possibility of Spanish subtitles being added to the video. I know it may be a lot to ask but I figured it wouldn’t hurt I totally understand if isn’t possible. Keep up the good work I definitely will be tuning in to more videos. 😊
This was definitely helpful.
I had a recruiter try to get me involved with Amway.
He was (from my assumption due to his accent) part of the Mennonite community.
But he was originally from Mexico (small talk details given when we had a face to face meeting).
A lot of members do seem to gravitate to Spanish speakers since the most involved members in Amway is in a well constructed community such as the Mennonite community which are very fluent in Spanish. The communities actually work well with this business model.
I really hope videos like this warn people to avoid amway.
While I agree that the culture can be weird at times, not everyone you meet is gonna be palatable no matter what you are involved in.
One point I will make towards the accusation that the only way you make money is by recruiting is that one of Amway's compensation rules is that 60% of your sales must be customer sales in order to be paid. So making actual customer sales is a requirement.
I know this is gonna sound crazy because why listen to me, but I actually make the most money from my customer sales too and I was never pushed to get anyone to join under me… it just makes me wonder if the way they mentor people is a lot more chill than what people are aware of?
Personally, I’m part of Amway. I do agree that it is multi level marketing. Are the groups cult like? Heck yea. Thankfully just stuck to logistics and the “business” side of it and it’s been working rather fine for me. When I mentor, I try my best to be concise and straight to the point.
@@psychoesthetics9003 if you view the groups as part of a cult then you’re not fully allowing yourself to be a part of the mentorship. I hope you do well in the pathway you’re in right now
I believe that’s a rather recent change. They use to encourage IBOs to do 50pv of customer volume & 100pv of personal volume. & even if you had no customer volume there was a way around it to ensure you still got paid. The higher you move up the scale, the more crucial customer volume becomes to your payouts. Unless of course you knew the way around it
I was in Amway for 14 months or so in 2007. I grew to hate it and wanted out. I got my wish - the UK government investigated it and the way Amway had been operating basically changed forever. I have videos and articles on this in my channel if you’re curious.
It would be cool if you did a video that shows where products from shut down MLMs are now sold by other MLMs. I briefly got conned into working for the now defunct XANGO. Their mangosteen juice/supplement is now sold by Isagenix.
So amway did try to become a Walmart in a way. That was the point. You buy for yourself all the products just like a grocery store
and recruit others to buy for themselves. And everyone wins. And the products were great. However, the products were also more expensive than say a Walmart. You had to teach people to switch all their brands. And in reality it was so difficult to recruit. We were in it less than 5 years and it took a financial and emotional toll on us. It just didn’t work. It worked temporarily for some of our friends and they made some money and went diamond. That gave us hope for awhile and then we just had to throw in the towel eventually and quit. You have to be such a hustler and aggressive to do amway. And looking at people as a business opportunity was for us, disingenuous.
So many girls i grew up with and went to school with who were all either stay at home moms or single moms who would constantly hit me up about It Works or Arbonne lol i always use to troll them with "The thing about it works is that it doesn't." Or if you hit them with it's an mlm or pyramid scheme they would turn hostile 😂. It was always the copy paste text or DM of "Heyyy man looking good i think you'd be perfect for this new business opportunity im doing." Lol then i discovered yourubers like this who do mlm content and i saw clips of zoom meetings where they gave text message formats and to just spam send them everyone then of course you see the cult like atmosphere
Have you, iilluminaughtii (love her stuff), and other guys like you ever thought about collaborating on something? It’d probably be an awesome project
Young lady I just found your channel, it seems you are smart and rational and I thank you for the research you did on behalf of the people.
the ability to hyper focus paired w/ my attention to detail made me deep dive into amway before joining…thank god for adhd..
I live in Ada, Michigan. Amway World HQ North America is up the road. I recommend a movie by Loki Mulholland called Believe. It came out on a limited basis right around the time Dick DeVos was running for governor of Michigan. I found the movie really funny as i had been an IBO once. My husband & I joined just to shop. We found better deals elsewhere, and after our year was up, we did not join again. The VanAndel and DeVos names are on everything in West Michigan.
It’s sad bro, amway really fell to poop. It’s so trash now.
Basically it’s just you paying hundreds to thousands $ per month just to be a sales rep with no vacations and very low profits. It trash
I’m concerned about ppl I know being possibly into this and I know some ppl from my past convinced they could make money but you can’t warn them or they cut you out 😢
This might sound like an odd compliment, but I love how fast you talk!! I have adhd and this pace for me is LIIIIFE ❤
Hi, really like your energy. I google this video after attending one of their events after being picked up by someone at the grocery store. (They must have noticed my energy and drive for future financial freedom) they talk alot about not having to work again… which was a big red flag in my opinion. look at the richest people on the world… like Elon musk… he’s working every day. I think they prey on people. Lucky I was smart enough to notice. Although I do still feel lucky to have attended the event I know that it is just the start of my transformation in life and that there will be false positive opportunities on your path. If you don’t have a dream you will be come part of someone else’s…
Thanks for the vid ❤
Isabella, this is so great. Thank you for speaking on this.
A woman I'm loosely friends with got involved with Amway. She's tried to recruit me repeatedly and encouraged me to get others involved. She also pushes products. It's very annoying. I've been polite with my no thank yous but maybe I should just say I don't believe in the company's values.
I used to be involved with Amway and the products are good. By the way, people don’t stay involved with Amway because they want to make money but because they are becoming a better human being. School didn’t teach me the art of communication, but they did. If it was as bad as you are describing it, it wouldn’t be big. Regardless, it is true: if you want to make money in Amway you must build thousands of relationships. It’s not for the faint of heart or the weak. If you don’t know how to talk to people, I recommend joining. Free coaching.
They DEFINITELY stay for the money. The lifestyle and "retiring" young are huge selling points.
You sound like one of those creepy youtube pick-up bros: an insult wrapped in a compliment.
I was in amway for a few years & recently found some of my notes from events…. So much brainwashing
Yessss finally!! I wish there were more Amway Exposed videos out. Great overview!!!
Check out this creator she talks specifically about her experience with Amway in the group LTD
youtube.com/@chsingleton