Atheist Student CHANGES His MIND (During EPIC Q&A)
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- In this video, Frank Turek reasons with a student through the topics of Morality and Human Rights. This particular student demonstrates exceptional humility and actually admits the problem with his original position.
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The micholder made sure every word was heard
Yes! I was thinking that too! Respect to that man
Indeed
Had me cracking up😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@dreddy6466 i got kind of claustrophobic watching, heheh
And I appreciate your humility in giving this man props/prayer instead of making the video "Atheist Gets Destroyed." No point winning an argument if you lose the person. God bless.
I know right?! Finally. I hate those “gets destroyed” thumbnails, they’re such a bad witness.
Excellent, excellent point!
Good point. I don't like those silly titles either. So shallow.
Well said
Frank did not win the argument by any means. He asserted that there is a moral law. - not proven. And that this law has to be given by a space daddy. Its funny how you think there is this objective law exists and given by god when you should realize that slavery was accepted longer than its been abhorrent. Racism has been ok longer than morally reprehensible. Genocide has been tolerated longer than it hasnt. Tell me where is this moral code throughout human history? Seems like it corresponds to liberal democracy and progressive ideals.
I love Frank's line of reasoning here: 'As an atheist, WHY is that wrong?' It reminds me of a C. S. Lewis beautiful quote: 'My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. ' Also, your comment about Communism and Atheism is SPOT ON, Brandon! Communism, rooted in atheism, stands as one of the most devastating chapters of the 20th century. Kudos to both for this eye-opening discussion!
You can be a Democrat or a Republican a Fascist or a Communist a Humanist (me slightly to the right) or a Liberal and still be an atheist. Atheism has nothing to do with politics or anything else. 🐹
Atheism is an essential part of communism
The state becomes the religion
Christians are authoritarians for whom truth is irrelevant, the end justifies the means.
They will keep burning fossil-fuels for you, going extinct by the heat or starvation.
Atheism doesn't explain anything, but the faithful don't have any standards for explanations.
It cannot be moral or ethical to suggest there is a god.
As if one should respect the suggestion, we all travel with one foot in fantasyland, using a fantasyland vocabulary.
You know them by their works, so what does it tell you about those advocating prayer? Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital.
Who advocates faith, when it is worthless if you can't move mountains using faith & verbal commands to landscape?
What kind of person speaks of god as if we did not have a saying: God helps those helping themselves, because gods have a perfect record of doing nothing, outside of fiction.
No wonder Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy.
The number of lawyers indicted with Trump is the shame of Justice.
@axileus9327 Yes it does because why would I treat others as I treat myself? Why is that correct? If I am smarter than someone and I treat them like they are dumber than me I am not treating them like myself because why should I see them like myself when they are not, I'm obviously stronger and smarter. This is how it has been for all of human history. No civilisation has treated women the same as men for that reason. I, if i was a man, can lift heavy rocks and kill beasts, you (women) can't. You need my protection therefore we are not the same and you must listen to me and obey me if you want my protection. It is also why slavery has always been part of the human civilisation. What you're saying doesn't make sense if the person was looking at the world objectively. Why should I treat you like me? I can treat you nice if you have something to offer. But what if you dont have anything to offer because your, lets say, disabled. If it's about for everyone's benefit...wgat benefit are they providing that is equal to what i provide them? Also why should i care if we as a species survive outside myself and my family. Again if you provide something cool but what about when you don't? The bottom 50% of society are net 0 tax payers, which means they get more from the system than they put in...why shouldnt the top 50% abandon them and look out for themselves? Im sure you know the prato principle. It is only a small percentage of people, about 5%, in any occupation who provide the majority of the worth. We dont even need most of the people in the occupations their in. What is it about being human that means that we are the same when objectively we are not? No one has answered that question because there is no answer its a made up moral stance that does not come from the observable world. We are equal under God, not under man because its obvious to humans, all throughout history, that we are not all worth the same treatment. Treat others as you would like to be treated is a fundamentally religious idea that you have imported.
@axileus9327 except that Jesus who is God gave you this moral standard. You're just borrowing it while ignoring the fact that without it you wouldn't have a standard that is solidified. Also it's purely your opinion in the atheistic paradigm because it's your morality vs anyone else's opinion of morality. Your argument is self defeating when you realize this fact.
I love how Frank lets his questioners finish their thought...he doesn't interrupt.
often letting someone just speak will lead them to putting their foot in their own mouth. This kid did it a few times
Oh my goodness yess. I hate when they cut them off or crop the end of the video so you can’t hear their final response and then the caption claims the interviewer won the debate
I would absolutely love to see this kind of intellectual honesty in a debate.
Ok then, the god of the bible watches children being raped to death, drownd billions
of innocent animals in the days of Noah's flood. is that intellectually honest?
This guy is me 15 years ago. Before i understood anything about the world. Knowledge but no wisedom. But an open mind!
I was this guy less than 2yrs ago as well, except for the open mind part unfortunately. I was brainwashed by the education system and the secular worldview. Evolution, billions of years yada yada. I never had someone break it down to me in this manner or any manner a "smart" not "wise" atheist could logically get behind. It was mostly I believe it and you should to.
Love this guy because my goal in evangelism is to get into apologetics and etymology. Such an interesting field and I want to bring atheists to the fold with science and logic.
@djirate052380 sounds like you found your way out of even darker places!
@@djirate052380 what convinced you to not believe in science?
@@matthewhowze3588 I believe in science.
Science: testing, observing, repeating.
A hypothesis or theory that cannot be proven, has never been proven and that has zero observable, testable, repeatable data is not science. There is so much of that going on today and I was a complete imbecile for going along with it and fighting for it.
Evolution is one of the 2 biggest culprits of this.
@@djirate052380 are you seriously going to say the same talking points? A theory in science is different than a hunch. Youve either been told this a million times and are being dishonest, Or youre ignorant. A theory like the theory of gravity is a an overarching explanation of many facts. You should look this up and stay away from the charlatans like ken ham etc.
The gold standard of the truth of science is predicting outcomes which the entire field of biology does repeatedly based on their understanding of evolution. This is how we treat disease etc. creationism gives us jack and crap and jack left town.
Seriously look into the facts that support evolution.
Major props to this young man’s openness. He truly just desires to understand God and I believe he will be or has become a believer.
Representing the Salukis well with his openness to thought. Anyone know if this specific talk happened at SIU?
If there is a god, hard to understand why it lets child rape happen, I KNOW, HE GAVE THE RAPIST FREEWILL, Not a loving god is it.
I was an atheist until I was 37. It wasn’t argumentation that brought me to faith, but the body of work that followed including Mere Christianity and I dint have enough faith to be an Atheist, cemented my understanding and exposed my wrong pre-suppositions. Grateful for Turok, but most grateful for your Shepherding heart for these people. Thank you for praying for them, it is such an important reminder that it’s not about winning arguments, it’s about freeing captives.
“I dont have enough faith to be an atheist” that doesnt make sense brotha. Look up matt delahaunty (butchered his last name) response to that statement
@@Qred09 Once you see, it makes sense, because atheism is like blindness. The video is only one example, you atheist take things for granted that aren't there without (a) God, but once you see your hybris, you will feel ashamed.
Props to the guy holding the mic with precision and utmost focus, nothing worse than bad sound. Thanks dude ☦️🙏🏻
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Big aplause to this guy at least for having an open mind about it. Yah bless
His name is Jesus in which we are to be saved. You leave that out and He will not listen to what you have to say.
@@GoLakers3900 yes it is, for the greeks and Romans. When he was named it was named in hebrew not greek my friend. Otherwise he would have told us to call him by his future changed named to greek. But whatever makes you happy.
@@Kolevrott And where is this Hebrew scripture??? Don't be a clown by spreading BS.
So rare to see someone...anyone! admit that a point of reason has been made! Most people, and I am saying on all sides, immediately go into an aggressive stance even when they can see reason. They CANNOT be wrong. I wish I could meet this young man, and I hope he has found the Way. I feel sure he has. Too smart not to have done.
Jesus has saved my life and is so merciful and kind too me.
Amen!! Jesus is King 👑 ❤️
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom He is the Good Shepherd. The alpha and the omega!
Your delusional 😂 living in a fantasy world
My heart warms when someone finally glimpes the truth it shows they have a chance.
Such a humble hearted guy
I really like the kid asking Frank the questions. He is a truth seeker....not someone with an agenda.
It is very rare to see someone come to terms like this guy did so quickly. I know myself, I was never and atheist but I had several worldly views that kind of countered reality, and I had a very secular mindset to it all. I had some friends who argued with me quite a bit, and I would fight back, and not really show a level of understanding, and yet those arguments had a profound impact on me changing my views, and some of my closest friends today, were those that argued the hardest.
But because of my stubbornness of the past, it does help me now when I encounter atheists or people who are morally flawed, as I see where they are coming from as that was more my mindset, so I try to stay calm, respectful, in hopes that maybe over time they may see the value of my arguments. I also remain open minded, since I was rather closed minded back then, before I really got a better understanding of it all.
Wow Glory to God im happy for you !!!
Yes as Christians we should not be angry and yell at people before when i was arguing with my family about God i was shouting when my point was not accepted but this is a VERY bad way to talk about God. We should speak with grace love and be patient
May God help us
I want to be like you.
@@jowoshy2691 like who ?
I LOVE JESUS HE HAS GIVEN ME LOVE LIFE AND FAMILY PRAISE HIM ALONE HE SHARES HIS GLORY WITH NONE
AMEN! ❤️
That mic holder is killing me😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 it’s like he wanted to feed him the mic😂, that being said, loved Frank’s explanation 🥂
I had an atheist coworker. He was such a nice person and said he believed that a Christian world view was the best world view. I pray he found Christ!
Lol he prolly said that because you’re Christian lol, sounds like a nice person.
Not necessarily. I have met many atheists that like Jesus teachings and morals. But still don’t believe He is God
Wish more students and younger people in general had this guys humility and respect
I just wanna say thanks for putting these videos together and for introducing me to Frank.
Frank exercises much humility and respect in how he deals with people. Great job!
Guy on the mic: "here, eat this"
10 minutes later
Guy on the mic: "Are you going to eat this? "
Amen brother, I think the moral argument is possibly the most compelling and powerful evidence for God there is. If someone really just objectively and logically thinks about it, it will always lead to a Creator.
Yes and for me it’s the creation of the universe. The universe cannot be a fortuitous accident but it is a deliberate event created by an extremely omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent being. These three characteristics make God extremely righteous and holy. And God feels that His creation is a good thing He did, He refuses to give up on it. That’s God’s love. God’s love is what sets Him apart from anything man can dream up.
Not really. While you would certainly need a God for a truly objective morality, no such objective morality exists or needs to exist. Rather, society's idea of the golden rule, not murdering others, etc. as a "moral" thing to do comes from a human desire to survive and thrive. A person would want to live in a society without murder so they and their loved ones aren't at risk of premature death (replace murder/death with anything else that has a majorly negative societal benefit). On an evolutionary standpoint, this makes sense because, as social creatures, when we survive and thrive together we can produce more offspring who have an equal desire to value these moral standards. Long story short, no God needed here.
@@baconboyxy Well my argument would be that nobody can actually live out a life where everything is relative. Sure we can make decisions to further the human race, but without God, human life has no ultimate value anyways. Just a highly evolved clump of cells that came from nothing by accident?
Honestly, who wants to live with that mindset. Either we were created by a moral, loving, intelligent Creator for a plan and purpose. Or everything came from nothing, it was all an impossible, cosmic accident and there's no purpose for life at all. Evidence fortunately points to the first.
@@baconboyxy Your comment is your opinion and we know opinions aren’t facts. Man is an unrighteous, power hungry selfish creature and if it wasn’t God’s righteousness enveloping and keeping the earth man would have destroyed it by now. Man does evil to other men and tries to rationalize it. Example the Nazis and the Holocaust, the United States and raced based slavery and all the brutal regimes of world happening now. Don’t give us this lie that man is righteous.
@@2EdgedSword77 "Human life has no ultimate value anyways. Just a highly evolved clump of cells that came from nothing by accident." While its kind of a sobering thought, this is pretty much true on a universal scale. Everyone, however, can still interpret their own goals in life and view of purpose, my favorite being the purpose of life is one's own happiness. Regardless, even if you don't like these ideas, it doesn't make them false and I have seen no evidence that speaks to a moral God. Especially when we throw out this moral argument you find so compelling because it just uses idealistic and dis-proven reasoning.
This guy really is a legend, I agree. Thanks for sharing
its obvious that communists are also very religious. james lindsey has revealed exactly what the religion of socialism is.
anyone who thinks communists are non-religious owe it to themselves to listen to what lindsey has to say on this topic. anyone who allows themselves to listen to what he says WILL agree with this.
thanks for sharing,man!
Anyone who thinks they themselves aren't religious is lying. Everyone is religious, it is only a matter of what they are worshipping.
Every conclusion leads back to a creator. 🙏❤
Otherwise you have to create weird ideas like Platon or Kant, which don't make sense at all.
@@wurzelbert84wucher5but the thought we came from sea grasses makes sense
@@purelyrandom1230 who has suggested this?
@@mcmanustony do your research. Are you new to this kid? This aint for toddlers
@@purelyrandom1230 who has suggested we came from sea grasses? It’s a simple question. You don’t seem capable of answering simple questions. No I’m not new to this.
Kid? I’m 58.
Again: who has suggested that humans came from sea grasses?
“Sorry, I have no idea what I’m talking about” is a legitimate answer.
I like that kid. That was very humble from him. What a good example he’s setting to others.
All of these people work from a foundation of an idealized view of modern, western society.
This society, with such abundance and order is rare, not the default.
We love you Kyle! Thank you for being willing to learn 😊
This is simply brilliant. Well done Dr Turek.
Thank you brother for caring about other people. If we all did that; this world would be a better place. God bless.
i really really really appreciate your channel 🙏🏻
i really really really appreciate you're here! Love the positive vibes.
For those who, like me, are searching for the passage that this young man started his question with, I believe it is probably Luke 12:47-48.
47 “And a servant who knows what the master wants, but isn’t prepared and doesn’t carry out those instructions, will be severely punished. 48 But someone who does not know, and then does something wrong, will be punished only lightly. When someone has been given much, much will be required in return; and when someone has been entrusted with much, even more will be required."
Obviously, all Atheists, Christians and fanatics of all Religions are opposed and against -
1. the authority and teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" that were clearly written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26
2. the Sovereignty of the Creator that were clearly written in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3.
Obviously, all Atheists, Christians, and fanatics of all Religions don't value their own lives, dignities, and existence on earth....
not bothered and just don't care even if their willful and deliberate hatred, mockeries, opposition, and defiance of the Creator's Sovereignty and his Christ's authority and teachings
result in their own dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever.
Obviously, all Atheists, Christians, and fanatics of all Religions are showing the whole world that they are not worthy and deserving of the Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without arrogant, cruel, and merciless persons, without liars, the immoral, traitors, perverts, and murderers as clearly written and recorded in only one book in the world, the BIBLE, in Revelation 21: 3, 4, and 8.
Obviously, all Atheists, Christians, and fanatics of all Religions don't understand what were clearly written and recorded in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 and 9: 5, 6
that all human beings have no immortal souls and will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals.
Naturally, all Atheists, Christians, and fanatics of all Religions who are mocking and degrading the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in their own lives and existence
will be hurt, wounded, angered, and offended by the BIBLICAL TRUTH
that
all the loving, kind, respectful, and submissive worshippers of the Creator and followers of Jesus Christ who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Mary, Martha, Lazarus, and many others will not remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever,
instead,
in the Creator's own right and proper time and as written in John 11: 25, 26,
Jesus Christ will resurrect them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and
fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written and recorded in Revelation 11: 15.
Thank you. He definitely doesn't understand that verse either.
Thanks. I was wondering which verses the young man was referencing. Obviously, he does not understand the meaning of Jesus' parable at all. He is taking it literally as referring to a human master beating his servant instead of understanding the spiritual meaning. That is, in the final judgment, those who have ignored or been contemptuous of God and refused to repent of theirs sins and trust in the redeeming work of Jesus Christ will receive their just punishment; their guilt will be on their own heads. And I believe the eternal punishment for those who willingly persecuted Jesus and perhaps led others astray will be worse than those who just ignored God. Those people will be severely tormented and in anguish once they finally understand and can no longer deny their absolute rebellion against God.
5:13 haha the mic guy had a stunned pause as well
Just found you today. Keep up the great work! I love all the Apologia popping up on my feed. Praise God!
An open mind
A humble heart.
Beautiful.
Praise JESUS.
Great clip, and very good point about communism and atheism being linked. Thanks for sharing.
Except those communists weren't acting in the interest of "atheism" which is just a lack of belief in the existence of gods
They wanted to consolidate political power and decided to do so by removing religious political parties and banning religion
They were politically motivated, they weren't motivated by their lack of belief in gods
That kind of brings up an important point. And it's something that frequently comes up. Sometimes, on certain issues or topics, someone will only bring up what is. But then when asked why, there's like a stop in certain instances. There's no further digging. As if absent of reason or purpose. If something is void of reason or purpose, how can that be good? One of the basic definitions I've learned of good is fit for purpose. And the purpose seems to be the thing that certain people are trying to block out, erase, deny, etc.
Been listening to archives of Franks podcast, covered four years in just the last six months, lol. Thank
This clip makes me wonder, maybe the student has been on the fence for a long time, or perhaps was looking for an explanation that would move him to one side or the other. It also makes me wonder how many people in the world are like that, and how many would have their hearts finally moved to pursue God.
If we, as Christians, just take the time to explain the Gospel follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.
Joshua my man! I saw you on this channel already , about the start of life i believe , a recent video . May God's light and love cover you!
@@Senko1800 Thank you so much for saying so, this always encourages me. May God be with you and yours as well!
Ecclesiastes 8:1
How wonderful to be wise, to analyze and interpret things. Wisdom lights up a person’s face, softening its harshness.
I really appreciate your videos that are very insightful and help to give perspective and most of all I like the sense of peace you bring to helping us come with an open mind, it’s pretty refreshing, please keep up the good work -it is all for glory of God, you will reap your due reward for blessed is the peacemakers for They Will Be Called Children of God” (Matt 5:9)
God Bless you & yours❤️🙏☝️💯
I love your humility more. Thank you for your channel
The kid looks like an honest child who was lost and just trying to find his way home. I pray for his soul to find JESUS. I pray that the Spirit of God move in his life. In Jesus name amen.
1 Corinthians 15:57
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
He seems humble.☺️ God Bless Him
He got this man pinned up against the wall, holding that mic 😂
Would be interesting if you found him and did a small interview of what life has been like since that QA
A group of people living together came up with a set of rules for living together that would benefit them the most. "I don't want to get hurt or have my stuff taken so I won't do it to you and you don't do it to me. Deal?"
I'm a staunch Christian but his argument that morality came solely from God is a weak argument. Sure God gave guidance but when it came down to morality humans pretty much figured that out on their own. Of course having God as an example for righteousness didn't hurt either. By the time the ten commandments were written, people were already following most of them by then.
Wow, that was amazing to watch. People need to see even more of this type of content. It's amazing seeing his heart soften to the idea of god. Amazing.
I’m very curious to his reference of Jesus saying it was good to beat the slaves when they had done nothing wrong. Me thinks he read a blog post and didn’t open the Scriptures for Himself
Right because I can’t find that anywhere
Well done! Thanks for the video. Praise the Lord.
Even atheists see a great need for God. They just can't or won't accept the ways of the true God of the Bible. They think that if God was real, that earth should be like Heaven.
Not really.
I don't see any such need
But you're right about the second part. I've seen no verifiable evidence for any of the supernatural claims in the Bible
pretending that non believers actually believe what you believe, while ignoring the fact that most theists of the world also dont believe what you believe, is incredibly small minded and a really lame argument for your beliefs or your god. you realize that people from every other religion besides yours can make that same exact claim and it would hold no more weight than when you say it about your god?
so why would anyone believe you, atheist or non christian? why single out atheists and ignore every other religion?
seems like a lame way to dodge attempting to actually prove your own claims about your own god
I respect both men for refraining from bouncing egos off of each other. There's never a need for heated discussion. They both began and ended the discussion on very respectful terms. Hopefully the atheist walked away with a brain full to contemplate. Bravo teacher!
Bingo! In one interaction you have discovered the problem with society. Without a moral compass and thinking that what is on this Earth is all that we have, people will use ANY means to get what they want in their life
Why is it Christian who are the ones trying to overthrow democracy, organizing paramilitary groups to threaten people, constantly lying for political gain, and throwing children into razor wire?
I asked a Christian today if it would be wrong for a husband to lock his wife in the basement and slowly cut her skin off if he decided she didn’t love him how he wanted. The guy said that was a really hard question and that he had no answer. It was too similar to the model of “love” in the god he worships. This is the kind of monstrous evil that Christians try to push onto everyone else and call it love. You guys are so sanctimonious while being so vile.
And we'd become no greater than some beast of the field, only serving our own self interests, at the expense of everything else.
@@Mannwhich If you worship god to avoid hell and gain eternal life, are you serving your own self interest?
@@weirdwilliam8500 Bad comparison.
Eternal life is a free gift to EVERYONE!. It doesn't come at the expense of other people.
@@Mannwhich Most of the ways I "serve my own self interest" don't come at the expense of other people either, and are free. So, what's the problem? How do I, without believing my morality comes from a god, serve my self interest in a harmful way?
Love your videos... Not too long, but you always have some thought-provoking points to make. Also, Turek's use of logic is phenomenal.
Hi, I am fairly new here. Thanks for the video. I was thinking of what Frank said, that we cannot know what right or wrong is, unless there is a God. I don’t see why that should necessarily be true.
Can’t we experience through time what right and wrong is?
Let’s say I live with two families on an island. One day I catch a few fish to eat. I can eat all the fish by myself and my family, but then other family has no food.
Why care about the other family? Well in order to protect myself on the island I need the other family to survive. I could use the man power for example. If i don’t share the fish, the other family (let’s say the man of that family) won’t cooperate with me anymore. And i don’t want that.
I know it a simplified example but it seems to me that I can experience what works and what does not. That it is good to share for example.
Hello, glad to see you here. Your scenario describes a person who made a decision that they believed was in their best interest. However, it doesn’t make a comment on whether his actions are morally right or morally wrong.
The man could have thought it was in his best interest to kill the other family on the island because he didn’t trust them. Without an objective standard beyond us, there’s no way to say if that action is objectively evil or not.
A world with no God is like a game with no rules. There’s no objective better or worse, because there’s no ultimate purpose or goal to achieve
Let me flip two variables in your scenario: let's say you have more than enough fish for your family and more than enough manpower to protect yourself and do tasks on the island. Do you owe any obligation to the other family, or do you get rid of them or just ignore them?
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Unfortunately, these kind of "closed economy" scenarios don't reflect reality, but where they can be useful is when you introduce elements of scarcity. For example, you have enough fish today, but what if sharing fish might cause the area to be overfished a month from now, leading to your long-term detriment? Or let us suppose you learn which members of the other family will be a net gain to your island society and which would be a net loss: do you now have a justifiable reason to get rid of the ones who are more of a burden? Further, let us suppose you encounter another tribe on your island who appears to be of similar strength to yours, and they agree to cooperate with you and not harm your family, but you must agree to allow them to sacrifice a member of the other family to appease their gods... Now what?
You're thinking selfishly. You'd help someone in case you might need them. That's not what morality is. Without God we choose what we think is right and wrong. And people have different ideas of what right and wrong is.
The other man, seeing how well you fish and feed your family, kidnaps one of your kid... from now on, each day you go fish, you have to fish for his family. Else, he will kill your kid.. he is also doing what is good for himself and his family.
@@tweed953You choose to accept the idea that god’s commandments are right. You’re no different from anyone else. It’s just your subjective opinion that a book says what is right and wrong, just like if someone else decided to go with the tenets of secular humanism, or moral pragmatism, or Hinduism, or whatever.
Frank Turek is such a warm hearted person with his logic. He points out the problems that he sees within the student. But he doesn't deny entirely where the student's ideas are coming from. He acknowledges that it is indeed possible (denying the author but appreciating the book). It is this warm hearted approach that melted away the cynical mindset of the student and opened him up to the possibility of a more sophisticated plane of logic. As reading and watching various debates and also debating with atheists myself, their idea that human belief (broadly speaking) needs to be put on the stage of criticism and ridicule is quite agreeable. Through this process it is put on trial for the possibility of evil that it may have (and did) bring into human history, at the same time be checked if it is worthy enough to be praised like it was. But this process does have its own fallacies because how can one judge something that it is so governed by? However, the atheist's efforts do have positive impact on society from what I've seen. Various debates and discussion arising from this subject alone is testament to that. I just hope that during these debates, the atheist side and the religious side both welcome heated debate but have the decency and respect to all go out for drinks or have laughs at the end of the day. We are all of one race and therefore we are technically all on the same side.
The BIBLE simply EXPOSES
that the
hardest part about the lives and existence on earth of all Atheists, Agnostics, Evolutionists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
is being hurt, wounded, and angered in fighting and opposing the TRUTH
that all imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings who submit to the authority of Jesus Christ and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26
are
the loving, kind, and respectful worshippers of the Creator and followers of Jesus Christ on earth
who
will definitely be honored, favored, and rewarded by the loving, kind, and merciful Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without arrogant, cruel, and merciless persons, without liars, slanderers, hypocrites, deceivers, traitors, and murderers as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4, and 8.
All human beings have no immortal souls and will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 and 9: 5, 6
but
while still breathing and not yet turning into worthless and useless dusts on earth forever,
all Atheists, Agnostics, Evolutionists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
who are boasting and claiming that the BIBLE is nothing but a worthless and useless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales
will continue to be hurt, wounded, and angered in fighting and opposing the TRUTH
that all the loving, kind, respectful, and submissive worshippers of the Creator and followers of Jesus Christ who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Mary, Martha, Lazarus, and many others will not remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever,
instead,
in the Creator's own right time,
Jesus Christ will resurrect them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and
fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
What I don't like about Frank is - he never actually answers the initial questions and switches it into more broader perspective. Typically when people ask about specific things from the Bible and how it contradicts it self at some level, yet he swiftly focuses on the aspects of - is there God, morals, ethics etc.? Yes, there might be a God, but that's not the question. The question is - is the whole truth specifically written in the Bible? Or are there flaws, human intercepts and personal thoughts, stories without truth? He seems to be always jumping from those questions that challenge this into just rather proving why there is a God in general..
That’s a fair point. I would have liked a deep dive into that particular verse as well. We’re actually going to be doing a lot of that type of thing on the channel in the upcoming months.
Like Frank, I'll ask you this: What contradictions, what flaws? Start with one, maybe we ( Christians) can help. Not unless you're uninterested all together in knowing why we believe the Bible is infallible and powerful. We believe for a reason. Our faith isn't based on lies and hypocrisy sir.
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom Thank you! Because this kinda frustrates and interests me at the same time. Whenever I wanna have a "deeper" talk with those that say they are like max true Christians (presuming they have the most answers..well at least for themselves and to some challenging questions) or even preachers - they seem to be also "jumping of" those conversations with phrases - "well, I actually don't have interest in that" or " I have not really thought about that" or "You just have to have faith man, God will give you answers". Ye but what about you (the person I'm talking to at that moment)? Does this really have no interest to you at all? These are fundamental and important things! Clearly if you call yourself like a devoted christian you should have at least some decent and valuable answer to such questions. Personally, I have felt that lot of Christians do not wanna go into these conversations as "it might affect their fate". But my aim is never to "break someone's faith". - It is to find the answers that actually might just fortify it and make it even more solid. Faith should also be built on the solid ground, if not - is that a real faith after all?
You are never going to convert an atheist with scripture they do not believe in. They already reject the bible, and the creator. Frank could have showed the context and what the atheist was missing, but the atheist would reject that because Frank would be using something the atheist already views as false to counter a false assumption. It is much more productive to use more worldly ideas, backed by reason and evidence, than a scripture the other person denies. People have to come to the idea God is true, before they will come to the idea The Bible is true, and using the bible to prove something to and atheist is like trying to use false premises to support a truth.
People have to come to the truth of Christ, before they will ever be able to understand, or have any benefit from scripture.
Feel free to look up a book by Paul Copan called Is God a Moral Monster?
Keep up the good work Brandon. Love the videos
Why has our morals changed over time then if it's so innately held within us? Especially during the more religious periods in history? Slavery, child sacrifice, burning people, stoning people, etc. Not only is some of this in the Bible, these acts would be performed by religious people who claim to know god. People would genuinely feel like these things were the right things to do. Morals also have a huge sociological component to them too. If our morals were truly innate from a god, then all these things I listed above would probably have not had their place in history like they did. Slavery is permitted in the Bible, yet in our society today we intuitively know it's wrong. How can that be explained?
Slavery was permitted because in many different time periods and many different locations, there was no government that could send people to jail or people to keep them there. Many times there was no jail at all. We all agree there must be punishment for wrongdoing, which is where slavery in the Bible came in. The problem is, people seem to think its the exact same kind of slavery we have seen in more recent times, which was atrocious, unjust slavery. In the Bible, slavery was more of a way to pay your fines if you had nothing of value. God knew this to be fair, and so laid down a foundation of rules on slavery so that the slave would not be treated unfairly. It was just slavery. The Bible never condoned unjust and/or atrocious slavery, in fact the presence of rules showed the approval of it as long as it was done right. These slaves only worked depending on the seriousness of the crime they have committed against their master. At the end of their sentence, they became free unless of course the master was a treacherous person. As for child sacrifice and burning people, there was a nation that did such things, it was so terrible and vile that God Himself came down and struck them down after many opportunities for them to stop and repent for 400 years, so He has given His Opinion on the matter. Jesus Christ condemned stoning when he told people who were about to stone a woman that they were allowed to stone her if they had no sin, as sinners didn't make good judges, only those perfect by God's standards. Speaking of which, God's standards haven't changed, and our morals have only progressed over time with the progression of society and technology, which is why we have no use for just slavery anymore in most parts of the world. There is, however, still *unjust* slavery present in our world, but to a much smaller degree. That begs the question, why does God allow it? Well, one might wonder why God allows anyone to exist, considering all the atrocities every one of us have done. No one is perfect, which means we have all broken God's standards, and are deserving of divine punishment. Which makes us part of the problem. If we are all evil, we are all deserving of damnation as much as the next person. That's where the sacrifice of Christ, our one true King, comes in. He paid the fine so that we may live. If God is the progenitor of all goodness, that makes Him the master of all virtue, including humility. And what is more humbling than coming down from your divine status to live with the sinful peons that break your rules, ignore your calls, curse your name every day, and allow them to spit on you, beat you, and ultimately, murder and humiliate you, all so that they may have a chance to live by your side? There is no greater act of love depicted in the history of humanity, which is why its so serious that you should find Him. I would not spend half an hour of my time writing this if I thought your salvation wasn't important. The fact that you are watching these kind of videos shows you are on the right path and your curiosity is being rewarded by Him and Him alone. He loves you, more than you know. God bless you, thank you for reading.
UA-cam is hard to get a forum to get in-depth answers like you were looking for. Going to a good church with people that are thinkers like you should be a big help. Slavery in biblical setting was something like filing bankruptcy is today. For a set time slaves had restrictions on freedom because they had incurred too much debt to others.
To answer this properly you need to understand Israel was a nation of slaves that escaped from Egypt so do you think they would've treated slaves terribly ? Man is prone towards sin so of course man did treat slaves poorly in many cases. This is why we need to love and fear God and walk in his ways.
I hope the short response is helpful
@bobdalton2062
Your eisegetical hermeneutics , as it regards to slavery in the Bible, is wrong. You should actually read the biblical passages. I agree with your interpretation as it relates to Israelites slaves only.
Regardless, don't you think that owning humans in any capacity is immoral? The bible has policies like the prohibitions of wearing mixed fabrics and boiling a calf in its mother's milk. Don't you think that prohibiting owning humans should also be a rule of an omnibenevolent deity?
"I want humans to just work together to better society, I don't see the need for a perfect identity above." So the last 2,000+ years of empirical failure suggests we can do it on our own? It's quite ailen to me to see all these centuries of complete bloodshed, mayhem, destruction, deceit, war and debauchery and then say in the same breath, what need do we have of a God? Let's just come together and build the better tomorrow. Humans have tried that in their own power since Adam and Eve fell, it hasn't happened, and it's not going to happen. This small jab aside this young man was very open and humble. We need these tempered discussions to reach hard minds and hearts.
Can someone demonstrate to me that there is an objective standard from a higher being?
Ty for praising this young man, you can't win souls "screaming gotcha!
I think people also inherently do things to survive as a species, it's encoded in us to be primed for survival. I don't think that draws from a moral structure which then leads to God. Our species is just good at surviving and we know murder is no good for survival of the tribe. I like some of this guy's arguments... but don't like when he uses this standpoint.
human beings are seemingly the worst of all species at surviving. we are unable to adapt to ouyr surroundings without destructing the rest of the environment around us. we destroy the world around us for the benefit of our limited time on the earth while ignoring the consequences to our future generations which will make it even harder for them to perpetuate our species.. we are unable to flourish as a species in the short term without detrimenting our potential to survive in the long term..we are unable to utilize the earths resources in a sustainable way. we are the only species that focuses on selfish things like greed and act like its a good thing for our species overall survival.. we focus on the present without thinking about the long term future. we cant co exist with the species around us without wiping them out and failing to understand that its not a sustainable practice.. we created thousands of devices that can wipe us all out in an instant and its only a matter of time til we use one of those devices..we are unable to feed ourselves as a species without ruining our chances to feed ourselves in the long term.. we cant figure out how to control our popuation numbers in a sustainable way. we cant figure out how to progress technologically without ruining our chances to maintain the progression in the long term.. etc etc etc etc etc the list goes on.... we are the worst species on this planet when it comes to maintaining a balance on our planet for the long term future...
You forget most people are selfish they couldn't care less about the tribe if they could kill for gain then they don't care and if a man or woman could kill to be with someone else tribe mentality never enters the picture.
We do love you Brandon, with your strong spirit after Him and your faithful uploads.
These people really are intellectually immature. They keep saying "we" should do what's good for society? WHY?!?! Society restricts people and keeps them from acting in their own self interest in a NUMBER of ways, and as gov't grows, it gets worse and worse.
Because human is a social species dumbo.
Thank you for sharing more content like this!
If there isn't an intelligent mind guiding the reality we live in, what objective, built in mechanism is assessing stimuli and responding in a way that programs "progression"?
We don't just assume computers just happened to stumble upon intelligently guided algorithmic responses to stimuli, we know an intelligent programmer put it there..
How in the world could something become "better" or different without a preprogrammed disposition to respond to specific stimuli with specific mutations.
The potential and programming already existed to allow for this.
If it makes no sense for a computer to be able to do this, it's pretty illogical to assume a non personal, random series of cosmic events could spawn consciousness from lightning striking a pool of water and then doing the impossible on it's own.
I don't care how smart you think you are, that's not logical whatsoever and it's harder to believe that than to believe in a designer.
Yes, but the issue is more basic. What defines objectively “better”?
@@ricksonora6656 More efficient in function than previous versions.
Some objective universal law is guiding seemingly intelligent and hardwired responses to stimuli in specific progressive directions that are more "efficient".
This is one of those "WOW" videos!!! I love it!
"Might Makes Right" = "Democracy"
Exactly. That is why, theoretically at least, the US is supposed to have checks and balances, separation of powers, and function as a democratic republic instead of a pure democracy. But sin. Glad to be following Jesus whose kingdom is not of this world.
Exactly and it fails every time it has been tried
And socialism doesn’t depend on might? And anarchy doesn’t shift might-makes-right down to the personal level?
Understanding the code of good in his heart but not from where, I believe would also be a good opportunity to introduce the idea that one's innate capacity and urge to seek goodness is evidence of a loving God.
I love your Channel! You’re so gracious in your explanations💕
I really enjoy your videos - thank you for your hard work and humble attitude!
This was such a beautiful exchange. 💯
Honestly when I talk to people about God I tend to get so frustrated with they way of thinking that I just leave them alone ......... It's just seems so crystal clear to me and I can't bring it across. THANK GOD for this preacher.
This was exactly my travel from atheist to agnostic 20 years ago.
If you want to find and meet truth you must to have at least a basic dose of humility and intellectual honesty. Whitout those of two, no real comprehension is possible. Good for this young man.
Agreed, but we have to start by getting rid of this invisible deity supernatural hocus-pocus nonsense
@@vuho2075 Looks like you didn't understand the video . There are many more on this channel , listen carefully and you'll get it .
@@Senko1800 Can you please enlighten me with your understanding of the video? I want to get your take on the key issues here.
Thanks...
@@vuho2075 an atheist can't tell me what is good or bad if there is good there is best , and that best must be beyond us , which is God . Good or bad can't exist without a moral standard , if there's no original model to compare it to then it's not bad if i kill someone , why would it be ? Since from the atheist view there's no God , there should be no good or bad , there should be us living , dying and disappearing into nothingness that's it . When you think about it like that no one should care about living or dying.
@@Senko1800 Interesting point. But isn't it subjective though? Killing is "bad". Is a prison guard bad for carrying out a lethal injection? Is a CIA agent bad for killing someone he was ordered to? Is a soldier bad for killing someone else whose only fault is wearing a different uniform? All of these people are getting medals for killing people.
I still don't see the need for invisible deities with magical powers that nobody can find. It seems like they only exist to scare children at bedtime
If I could like this video with a hearted reply, like on Facebook, I would have done so for this video.
Very good & no doubt Frank Turek is one of The Best apologist today.
Atheist here. I’ve noticed this a few times with Turek. He doesn’t answer the question asked. He shifts the conversation elsewhere. The guy was asking why you’d follow a God where Jesus has congratulated someone on torturing their slaves. Turek shifts the conversation to morality. It’s very clever because he convinces people the question has been answered & everyone walks away happy
Dude, your stache is swole 💪
Absolute bang on job for this kid being able to concede! I am currently reading On Gaurd by W. L. Craig and I had some of the same ideas. Turek's example of Hitler around 5:00 perfectly answered my questions!
The Bible supports slavery and murdering gays
Excellent video 🦋💜
Very good. Without God and His moral law, there is no standard of GOOD
Morals govern society whether condemned here on earth or condemned eternally.
love watching people who are open to considering that they may have drawn the wrong conclusion about reality...this guy is at least respectful, and weighs carefully what is being said...a far cry from so many in the culture who just scream in your face that "you're evillll!!!!..." when they don't like what you're saying...
Good on him for being humble, really respect that.
I wonder if he's ever thought about why so many people are afraid of Communism. All he needs to do is look to the past.
Politeness and civilised discourse like this, is so refreshing to see. I find a lot of atheists to be very angry or patronising, when talking to Christians.
Really?
I don't see Atheists threatening their interlocutors with an eternity of torture for the "crime" of daring to disagree.
It's nice when someone has an open mind.
There is always great joy when logic and rational argument can be had. But there is going to be increasing spiritual opposition where only the life of Christ flowing out of us can overcome...
Thanks!
Thank you my friend!
Love the subtitles, im not as good in English. It helps me lot thank you
Props to the mic holder for pinning the guy to the wall
I LOVE WHEN ATHEIST DO NOT LET THEIR PRIDE GET IN THE WAY OF LEARNING THE TRUTH OR LET THEIR PRIDE GET THEM IN A SENSELESS DEBATE ( USUALLY WITH NO LEG TO STAND ON). I LIKE THAT THIS GENTLEMAN HUMBLED HIMSELF AND ACCEPTED THE TRUTH.
Atheists have no leg to stand on? Adorable.
I feel like they glossed over the whole changing laws thing. Like the guy on stage asks " without god as a standard you could just say murder is ok" ... yeah but some have use god as justification to kill. Also he said that the guy asking questions just decided personally whats morallyright or wrong but without proof that god actually exists the laws you follow are essentially just the personally thought up morals of some dudes who lived 1000s of years ago.
The problem with this is that God doesn’t condone others using him to justify the murder of those people. Also you’re speaking ignorantly Gods laws are in the Bible and in our conscience. We all know right from wrong.
Thanks!
Thank you Peter!
Lost on manufactured egos without a quest for self
Frank had a great strategy. I also borrowed this from Jesus... Ask questions to see where they stand, what they believe. When you do this this establishes a definition or an ignorance towards something or the topic at hand.
Fantastic!
You want to anger an Atheist lie to him ,you want to anger a Christian tell him the truth
The Bible isn't a scientific textbook. Open your mind.
@@OliverGrace7 The bible is a book written by man about a man made god like all the others