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N570 and CFE223 powder in the Ingenuity Precision Powder Reloading System
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- Опубліковано 30 гру 2023
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I love cfe223. I have no problem with it. Not sure what people are complaining about.
I had some 35lbs of various powders for my 223 and I sold them all and bought 40lbs of CFE223 and could not be happier.
Not temp stabe is their problem.
I find some excellent accuracy and great velocity with it .
7mm-08, 120 grain Hammer Hunters 3250 fps
Groups are much bigger with CFE223 than some other powders. Tried it when I was low on benchmark. Won't buy again. And no temperature had nothing to do with it. Bought , loaded, and fired all in one month around June of 22
People have to bitch about something. You know how it is 😅
for the one's that don't like CFE223 it could have something to do with the name of the powder eh ? 223 ?
just saying :)
Big thanks for making this video as requested! The performance of it with N570 is shocking good. I was on my transition from N570 to N568 just to be able to use a slightly smaller kernels to avoid those painful metering issue. This going to be a big saver for ppl like us. I'm definitely sold on this unit.
I use both of these powders and never had a problem with either of them metering.
John, I've been watching your great videos on this and since I already have the powder meter on my early model Auto Trickeler along with all the Area 419 upgrades, this setup with the electronics {so I do NOT have to use a phone} is the natural progression.
The powder meter has already cut the throw time and minimized the over/under throws that the Auto Trickler had and this setup seems to be usable for those of us that are not as tech savvy as our children...!
On the wait list {NO Charge till order ready to ship!} perhaps mid year delivery {that is just a guess since there lots of folks ahead of me} with any and all bugs ironed out...
The only issue I have ever had with the powder meter was when I loaded it up about half way with 4831SC {AR2213SC} and then I had a few "stalls" where the granules kept the disk from turning.
Once I unloaded about half of the fill it worked as it should... Never had any problem with Varget {AR2208}
SO glad I never went the V4 path... This is ahead of the rest.
i use cfe/blk meters very well in a Lee Powder Loader with a drum, very consistent.
same
Winchester 231, or Hodgdon TiteGroup perhaps? Small charges in the 2.5-5gr range would be a challenge I'd like to see. You'd be surprised how dedicated some pistol shooters are to extreme consistency with loadings, it ain't just for rifle guys ;-)!
Another suggestion for Ingenuity: A "trickler only" option that would be for those of us who shoot competition pistol and use very small loadings for such where the autodropper isn't really "needed". An A&D or Creedmor scale with a trickler/draft hood only would be a splendid choice, with discs for fine pistol powder. Perhaps at a slightly lower price point? There is a dedicated market who are still using balance beams and manual trickling to dial in tiny loads for competition pistol/PPC/Silhouette shooting where accuracy IS the point of shooting. Personally, I like to sit down and batch out 500-1000rds of ammo at a time, so for range days I can just grab 100-200rds and know they're all ready to go.
It already exists. The IP trickler and autotrickler board can be had for well under half the cost of this system.
SuperSpillers used are going for under $500 now and do great with pistol and shotgun powders. That’s where you should be looking if that’s what you want to do for everything else the system can’t be.
I think the long standing reputation for “difficult metering” that some powders and powder types have is mainly from the specific practice of metering powders with a volumetric powder throw that is used by hand or in automatic progressive loading machines. These electronic machines that dispense onto actual scales, and particularly the ones that have powder specific calibration routines have darn near eliminated the problem of charge inaccuracy due to difficult metering… and this Ingenuity Precision dispenser looks to be a leap towards doing the task with speed and elegance! It looks and sounds like it might be achieving the course throw via an electromagnetic solenoid actuated gate of some sort with variable control of open duration… dunno if the gate translates or rotates… but it sure is quick and small, so i’m thinking it uses an electromagnetic solenoid to open, and spring return to close… this is indicated by the loud double click sound. Interesting to think that it might even be designed similar to a camera shutter aperture but on steroids. The fact that it comes with different orifice tubes that you referred to as bushings leads me to think that the gate or shutter always activates full open and full closed… so throw volume control is coarsely achieved by bushing ID and finer control by duration that the solenoid is energized and number of throws. You can actually hear it operating like this with variable timing between the open and close clicks.
I think most commercial fabrication of ammo still uses volumetric throw for powder metering which is likely why most factory ammo is loaded with ball powder that meters well.
It occurs to me that the next step in technological innovation is to develop a robust machine that can dispense powder charges accurate to +/- 0.05gr by mass at an industrial rate of production… this would be a game changer for mass production of factory match grade ammo with inherently lower MV ES using high grade stable extruded powders.
It occurs to me that the weak link is the slow response speed of the mass scale. So to have the powder metering operation keep up with the rate of charging and bullet seating operations you would have to have multiple metering stations operating sequentially to deliver charges that are collated individually and transported to the charging station to be dropped into cases at the full production rate.
It’s not a solenoid as it was difficult to tune. There is a stepper motor controlling a gate if you will.
Yes it’s a stepper
Motor NOT a solenoid
Thats my next birthday gift to myself
Another nice video. Thank you John I wonder if there is a controller like that available for the V4 so I wouldn't have to use my phone all the time.
You might give serious consideration to getting one of these and off loading the V4....
CFE 223 is one of the best powders there is for metering trough a case operated powder measure on a progressive.
My cheap Lee powder thrower hates it but my white oak armament barrel loves it.
Your testing is clearly demonstrating very good performance with a range of extruded stick powders and a spherical ball powder.
I suppose the obvious next question is can it handle flake powders? Like the types of powders typically used in shotshells and sometimes for pistol. For example Hodgdon clays and the like?
I can’t imagine needing this level of metering precision for loading shotgun… but what do I know?
It’s just an interesting question.
It cannot do flake powders
Would love you to test Accurate LT-30 | Hodgdon if you ever have an opportunity.
I'm sold.
Would like to see it with LT-32 and N133, but i guess i will when nine shows up 😊
Let’s see the same test with an AutoTrickler V4.
Looks like it works amazingly well. Do wonder if small amounts of Titegroup say 3.4gr would be a problem. Thanks for all your work on this and other projects!
If I can get ahold of some I'll try but I'd think it'd be fine as long as you move some of the settings down a little more but I can't say 100% since I haven't tried it.
H110 would a challege.
@@jturner5227 H110 won’t work in the trickler. I have tried it on my V3 setup.
Will there be a guide that tells us which disk to use for which powder?
Yes, comes along with the disks.
Immediately preordered after your last video, but I was super curious if it’d handle N570. This thing can’t come soon enough. So impressive
I'm curious what disc can be used with the Trickler for Powder Ramshot Magnum. Its like baby powder.
This looks pretty slick. Probably worth $500 so it probably cost $1000.
Less than $1'000 if you already have the scale... and bit over $700 if you already have the powder meter and add the illuminated cover for your A&D 120/140
Show me an illuminated cover for the A&D
Realistically, this thing is $1000 plus the scale which is 600 so I don’t know why you’re trying to convince people that it is less because they already have the trickler they know how much the components cost
Have a look at Ingenuity's site to see the illuminated cover... "Optional draft shield for A&D with light $95"
Going to cost me $885 {$790 without the illuminated shield which I could do without but the light is a nice feature} since I already have the powder meter and the scale/Auto Trickler.
If you have a scale and want the whole kit it is $995
I can flog off my current Auto Trickler set up and reduce the cost of the upgrade... Just keeping the scale.
Scott, it is just a matter of what you consider important and since I am not funding a child in collage...
As the saying goes in the race car crowd and applies to all things in competition, "Speed Cost Money.... How Fast Do You Want to Go?" @@scottaberegg1167
That’s pretty neat
Thank you for the knowledge, can you try BE-86?
Cant you set i like +.02 -.00 like with the supertrickler?
So it throws spot on or one kernel over.
Yes you can
I think you just sold me one lol
Win 231 is pretty fine and should be a good challenge. Not sure why someone would use this to dispense it though.
Looks like a pretty slick, high performance machine. Doesn’t look like a coffee maker either. Still not sure I’d swap my V4 for it….. hope he sells a bunch of them though.
If someone offers you one of these for a V4, you better grab that shit and run like hell and never look back...😂
Totally fair, the V4 is still a very capable unit.
@@ZZ-uf4zv can’t disagree but I am totally satisfied with my V4. It’s so much better than my Chargemaster don’t feel any need to upgrade again. I do admit the IP system looks to be a very good machine.
My worry would be that if you don’t sell your V4 now, it’s just going to keep losing value as these things hit the market. Then you find yourself two years from now with a dated machine that has no market value, and everybody else has already moved to the IP
@@scottaberegg1167 I am 71 and having an outdated machine doesn’t even register since I’ve only had my V4 about a year. I am all for technical advances but keeping up with the Jones isn’t my style.
Thanks. On the preorder list since 12/20. Excited. Not sure what I'll do with my ST but hoping FW3.0 will make it a tough choice.
Just sold my ST…PITA for what it does
Amazing system! Not sure I want to pony up the money to replace my AT v3, but its got me thinking.
I really wish that thing wasn't $1000. 😞
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Who else is here getting cfe223 within 1/10?
Ball wiper 😂
Yikes, careful there son
A good sense of humor is an admirable trait
Can not see the reading on the scale due to glare. And you did not call out the charge weights once thrown, so from this side of the screen I/we have got no idea how accurate the system is. It's a crying shame, after all that video, that there is none actually showing the powder charges, or at least calling each of them out.