The Schnees remind me of something my psychology friend told me. There are four "typical" responses to abuse, and each Schnee exhibits one of them. Weiss is Fight. Actively opposes their abuser and their goals. They resist control being taken from them and act to control their own choices. Winter is Flight. Rather than actively opposing their abuser, Flight victims try and get as far away from their abuser as possible. Winter wants nothing to do with the Schnee name, as opposed to Weiss who wants to restore the family honour. Willow, their mother, is Freeze. She doesn't actively resist her abuser, becoming withdrawn so as to try and not do anything to earn their abusers ire. They often attempt to cope with their situation with substance abuse. Whitley is Fawn. Fawn victims try and avoid harm by acting in ways that they hope will please their abusers.
Oh my god. This is _exactly_ the dynamic with my girlfriend's family! She herself is Fight. ...I feel like I should show her this, the explanation, not this episode. ...Then again, she's done so well to come so far on her own, would she even need something like this?
The dinosaur on the hood of the car is a little easter egg put in rwby since volume 1 (i believe) named RWBYsaurus. Monty would sneak it in backgrounds and fans try to keep an eye out for it and even after his passing they continue to put it in shots at least once per volume
Yeah, poor kid was abused and moulded to be the perfect kid, never talking back and doing exactly as his father said. I feel bad for him. Yeah, he's kind of a jerk sometimes, but I think it's a coping mechanism because he is jealous of Weiss and Winter, not their powers, their ability to defy their father. He's the youngest and the girls left him alone in the house with their father and their absent mother.
As far as the members of the council go, technically there would be 5. Ironwood has 2 seats as both the leader of the military and the leader of the academy.
God. It always breaks my heart whenever I watch the conversation between Weiss and her mom and hear how heartbreaking it is for Willow (Weiss's mom) to proclaim that her daughter is better off without her family; in contrast, it is caring that Willow also pleads with Weiss to look out for her brother since, despite being a bit of a...well, brat, Whitley is still her family. Kudos to both Kara Eberle (VA for Weiss) and Caitlin Glass (VA for Willow); they both did exceptionally well this episode.
@@Trichromanic Ah. Thank you for the correction. I'm not quite sure how exactly I missed that; I must have been looking at the wrong voice actor source.
@LukeSSS No arguments there. I firmly believe Willow's apathy and obsessive drinking is equally harmful as Jaques's crude behaviour to his children and cruel decision of placing the importance of his company over his children; it's evident that the Scenes siblings needed a proper guiding figure since childhood and, unfortunately, the Schnees parents weren't able to provide this. Still, the silver lining is that hopefully Willow does attempt to change in future volumes; at the very least, she'll break out of that apathy and help Whiteley break out from his... bratty/obnoxious behaviour.
@LukeSSS Not at all. There's a massive difference between being defeated and a victim as opposed to actual malice and abuse. She's not gonna win any mom of the year awards, but she doesn't compare to Jacques.
@SaviorOfNirn Looking back, I wouldn't say @LukeSSS is completely wrong; it is true that Willow's apathy allowed for Jaques to seize control over the family and order around his kids with malice. However, I do concede that their comment, along with my agreement that Willow is equally bad as Jacques, can be considered an exaggeration; as cpMetis best puts it: She's not gonna win any mom of the year, but she doesn't compare to Jacques.
Don't forget, Weiss said when they went to the mine that the cold of Atlas could easily kill without tech or aura to protect them. Mostly, only warriors have learned to awaken aura, and Wattz just turned off the heat.
It was snowing already, the heating grid made it so the snow turned into rain instead. Once the heating turned off the snow couldn't melt into rain anymore.
You mentioned it was weird that there were only 3 council members but that’s part of what they’re addressing which is the fact that Ironwood is on the council has 2 council seats. Apparently the general of the armed forces and the huntsman academy headmaster each get a seat which Ironwood is both. So all Ironwood needs is one member to vote with him and he can do whatever he wants.
Very astute Rick, there are *five* people on the council, but Ironwood holds *two* of the seats by default because he's the Headmaster of Atlas' huntsman academy *and* the Army's head honcho.
I think what Weiss's Mother was trying to say when telling her to look after Whittley was that after he was left alone, without his two older sisters was taken under his father's wing and with his mother not emotionally present with her drinking. Both Winter and Weiss were defiant, with both them gone. Whittley was probably moulded into the child Jacque wanted, one that didn't argue, Whittley did say, "It's foolish to not do as father says." He was probably beaten, or mentally manipulated to the point where he doesn't want to be like his sisters. He's not jealous of their powers, he's jealous that they had the courage to stand up to their father. I feel bad for him, and I actually hope for a redemption ark for him, not like he really needs one, he hasn't done anything to really hate him for, he's just kind of a jerk sometimes.
Another fantastic reaction and breakdown! Love you guys' theories always. Also major props to Eric for picking up on the shipping vibes between Qrow and Clover.
I wanna say that dinosaur is a reference to something RT related. Like a really old reference. I forget what it alludes to exactly though, so I could be wrong.
The dinosaur appears in every RWBY volume as an Easter egg. I believe it was a default asset in their original animation program. I think they included "the tea pot" a few times too.
Before this episode came out people were really excited to see the teams wear fancy outfits for the party, and were disappointed when they just wore their normal clothes, although I thought that might be the case, since I figured shit would go down and they wouldn't have time to change clothes when it did.
It's a small thing but I love that Weiss refers uses "Mom" instead of "Mother" like when she's talking about Jack-a$$. It kind of shows she's closer to her mom despite everything
(At 15:22) Fucking call it! Whitley DOES hate his sisters, because they left him isolated, without a second thought. Guess Whitley _IS_ more of a victim than his sisters are. Given the fact, he stayed longer with his father than they did.
Weiss calls Jauques "father" in a cold, proper way while she calls Willow "mom" in a warm, lax kind of way... Even though she's an alcoholic and not a great mom, Weiss does love her mom very much despite Jauques being the reason of Willow's alcohol abuse.
@SaviorOfNirn not at all It means he thinks the writers are trying to ship them. His opinion has nothing to do with it. He saw the interactions between Qrow and Clover and felt that the writers shipped them. He felt no stake in it, he expressed no desire for it to go either way. In fact I think it's a testament to how ambiguous it was written that a viewer would think, "are they trying to ship them?" before actually shipping them themselves. (Which Eric, again, doesn't [like to] do.)
@SaviorOfNirn How do you know others didn't? Because he posed the question as to the writers intentions? Eric doesn't ship characters just because they're on screen together. If your definition of "shipper" is that, like most of the RWBY fandom, then he is most definitely not one. But he felt that the writers were forcing them to have suggestive interactions. He felt no connection between them naturally, and he never does between any characters except Aang and Katara in Avatar.
Just as a side comment I think you should put one mic further away from you so the audio of the show is louder than your voices so when you're talking we can still hear the audio but I doubt you'll see this comment anyways
One of my expectations going into V7 was to see Klein again. I guess with all the cutbacks at RT, they had to trim the fat with VAs. (Yet they still had a cameo with team FNKI, but mostly one speaking VA. I guess they figured people wanted to see FNKI more than Klein.)
@@teamcybr8375 Well I did. I had the expectation and there where no indications that her father would have figured out Klein aided in her departure. (Unless he has access to his wife's security cameras.) Incidentally, most reactors I viewed seemed genuinely surprised that he was let go. Wishful thinking I guess. Still, he was a character they could drop and save $ on in a pinch without adversely affecting the story. Team FNKI was pure fanservice. They certainly didn't need to appear.
@@DocMicrowave It's obvious that Klein helped Weiss, and even if it wasn't, the staff was ordered to prevent Weiss from leaving (Jaque says so), so it's not surprising the head servant would be fired for their failure. They didn't cut him to save on budget. You're being ridiculous.
@@teamcybr8375 No need to get salty. It just wasn't clear to me how Klein was discovered when he seemed to be very discrete about his actions. But so be it. He was busted and fired. So it is written, so it is done. I actually expected him to be fired once it was revealed that he aided Weiss. I just would have appreciated seeing it happen. As with many things in the show, I think too much happens off screen. And yes, I think they would leave out minor characters who might have been considered for an appearance in earlier planning to save on production resources at this point. If RT wasn't having so many reported issues last year, they probably could have had the resources to flesh out the story a little better so that it didn't feel so rushed. Klein's character may or may not have been a victim of that. But it was an easy dismissal and explanation as depicted. imo
@@Ghorda9 That sounds very plausible. With Whitley and family putting two and two together if Klein's departure coincided with Weiss's disappearance. Whitley might have said he was let go just to save face. Far be it ever said that a trusted employee ever quit the Schnee family staff. Probably one of best jobs in Atlas for the non-elite.
I think there might be more than 3 people on the council. You have to remember that it was a meeting the Jacques made. Robyn isn't even on the council. One kinda inconsistency is that in season 4 or 5, Ironwood tells Jacques that he holds 2 seats on the council as Headmaster of Atlas Academy and General of the military. But in one of these episodes, Ironwood says he doesn't want to lose his seat on the council.
The council is 5 seats, held by 4 people. Ironwood holds both the School and Military seats. The other seats aren't described, but are probably elected from three different districts.
@@Mirality I suspect: 1 seat: School headmaster 1 Seat: The General of the military 1 Seat: elected from the city of Mantle 1 Seat: elected from the city of Atlas 1 Seat also elected from the city ofAtlas, because evrybody is biased and Atlas thinks they are the best anyway. also they provide Heat and jobs for Mantle so why not.
@@sadi5713 I think Vale and Mistral also have a five seat council. Not Vacuo though, Shade Academy is apparently all they'll accept as a form of order, as explained in a WoR.
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The Schnees remind me of something my psychology friend told me. There are four "typical" responses to abuse, and each Schnee exhibits one of them.
Weiss is Fight. Actively opposes their abuser and their goals. They resist control being taken from them and act to control their own choices.
Winter is Flight. Rather than actively opposing their abuser, Flight victims try and get as far away from their abuser as possible. Winter wants nothing to do with the Schnee name, as opposed to Weiss who wants to restore the family honour.
Willow, their mother, is Freeze. She doesn't actively resist her abuser, becoming withdrawn so as to try and not do anything to earn their abusers ire. They often attempt to cope with their situation with substance abuse.
Whitley is Fawn. Fawn victims try and avoid harm by acting in ways that they hope will please their abusers.
Oh my god. This is _exactly_ the dynamic with my girlfriend's family! She herself is Fight. ...I feel like I should show her this, the explanation, not this episode. ...Then again, she's done so well to come so far on her own, would she even need something like this?
@@darkarpatron Probably wouldn't outright show her this. Better to be subtle about it and casually put this on, see what happens.
@@collecter343 Shall do, thank ye.
bruh this is deep and makes total sense. well done xD agree 100%
bruh this is deep and makes total sense. well done xD agree 100%
"At least it's not snowing" ....oh my god
He doesn't know what he guessed at. He *doesn't know what he's foretold!*
*they know*
*Dun Dun Duuuuuuuuun*
"No they took her arms!" Thanks for that one Aaron, it made me laugh.
The dinosaur on the hood of the car is a little easter egg put in rwby since volume 1 (i believe) named RWBYsaurus. Monty would sneak it in backgrounds and fans try to keep an eye out for it and even after his passing they continue to put it in shots at least once per volume
I thought it was the Rwby-Rex
Damn. Now I need to go back and try to find it in all the other volumes.
I'm a RWBY superfan and I never knew about that. I'm sad now.
I thought it was the new Grimm type in upcoming episodes.
@@teamcybr8375 that might be it, thank you for correcting
The fact that Willow knows how Whitley feels about having been left with her and, more to the point, his father, was a really impactful line to me
Yeah, poor kid was abused and moulded to be the perfect kid, never talking back and doing exactly as his father said. I feel bad for him. Yeah, he's kind of a jerk sometimes, but I think it's a coping mechanism because he is jealous of Weiss and Winter, not their powers, their ability to defy their father. He's the youngest and the girls left him alone in the house with their father and their absent mother.
As far as the members of the council go, technically there would be 5. Ironwood has 2 seats as both the leader of the military and the leader of the academy.
Correct.
i always thought there was meant to be more but camilla and slate were just the ones at the party
Fun fact! Willow Schnee is voiced by Caitlin Glass, who also voiced Winry in Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood and Mina Ashido in My Hero Academia.
Wait, WHAT!? SHE WAS WINRY?
@@teamcybr8375 Yup!
Wait really? *COOL BEANS!!!*
@@dragon2218 ... I know this reference, but I am NOT gonna mention this reference, because I never got to play the game.
@@jakemaelstrom1404
Game? What game? Pretty sure whatever I'm referencing, I'm not btw, its not from a game 😂😂😂😂
God. It always breaks my heart whenever I watch the conversation between Weiss and her mom and hear how heartbreaking it is for Willow (Weiss's mom) to proclaim that her daughter is better off without her family; in contrast, it is caring that Willow also pleads with Weiss to look out for her brother since, despite being a bit of a...well, brat, Whitley is still her family.
Kudos to both Kara Eberle (VA for Weiss) and Caitlin Glass (VA for Willow); they both did exceptionally well this episode.
According to the credits, Willow is Caitlin Glass
@@Trichromanic Ah. Thank you for the correction. I'm not quite sure how exactly I missed that; I must have been looking at the wrong voice actor source.
@LukeSSS No arguments there. I firmly believe Willow's apathy and obsessive drinking is equally harmful as Jaques's crude behaviour to his children and cruel decision of placing the importance of his company over his children; it's evident that the Scenes siblings needed a proper guiding figure since childhood and, unfortunately, the Schnees parents weren't able to provide this.
Still, the silver lining is that hopefully Willow does attempt to change in future volumes; at the very least, she'll break out of that apathy and help Whiteley break out from his... bratty/obnoxious behaviour.
@LukeSSS Not at all. There's a massive difference between being defeated and a victim as opposed to actual malice and abuse.
She's not gonna win any mom of the year awards, but she doesn't compare to Jacques.
@SaviorOfNirn Looking back, I wouldn't say @LukeSSS is completely wrong; it is true that Willow's apathy allowed for Jaques to seize control over the family and order around his kids with malice.
However, I do concede that their comment, along with my agreement that Willow is equally bad as Jacques, can be considered an exaggeration; as cpMetis best puts it: She's not gonna win any mom of the year, but she doesn't compare to Jacques.
Don't forget, Weiss said when they went to the mine that the cold of Atlas could easily kill without tech or aura to protect them. Mostly, only warriors have learned to awaken aura, and Wattz just turned off the heat.
Yup, Weiss said all it takes is a few hours of exposure. So Watts is about to kill a whole city.
Jup
Weiss's mom's name is Willow. The fandom thought that was her name before this episode, but the credits confirmed it here.
It was snowing already, the heating grid made it so the snow turned into rain instead. Once the heating turned off the snow couldn't melt into rain anymore.
M K and remember what Weiss said. The cold of Solitas can kill someone within hours with heating or a projective aura.
@@darylsdesigns6679 lies
@@toshido_yamada ? She did say that.
@@Dark_Lieutenant she did, but it isn't really true
@@toshido_yamada why is what she said not true?
You mentioned it was weird that there were only 3 council members but that’s part of what they’re addressing which is the fact that Ironwood is on the council has 2 council seats.
Apparently the general of the armed forces and the huntsman academy headmaster each get a seat which Ironwood is both.
So all Ironwood needs is one member to vote with him and he can do whatever he wants.
23:54 Well that is a matter of great debate and controversy.
Very astute Rick, there are *five* people on the council, but Ironwood holds *two* of the seats by default because he's the Headmaster of Atlas' huntsman academy *and* the Army's head honcho.
I think what Weiss's Mother was trying to say when telling her to look after Whittley was that after he was left alone, without his two older sisters was taken under his father's wing and with his mother not emotionally present with her drinking. Both Winter and Weiss were defiant, with both them gone. Whittley was probably moulded into the child Jacque wanted, one that didn't argue, Whittley did say, "It's foolish to not do as father says." He was probably beaten, or mentally manipulated to the point where he doesn't want to be like his sisters. He's not jealous of their powers, he's jealous that they had the courage to stand up to their father. I feel bad for him, and I actually hope for a redemption ark for him, not like he really needs one, he hasn't done anything to really hate him for, he's just kind of a jerk sometimes.
Another fantastic reaction and breakdown! Love you guys' theories always. Also major props to Eric for picking up on the shipping vibes between Qrow and Clover.
I wanna say that dinosaur is a reference to something RT related. Like a really old reference. I forget what it alludes to exactly though, so I could be wrong.
The dinosaur appears in every RWBY volume as an Easter egg. I believe it was a default asset in their original animation program.
I think they included "the tea pot" a few times too.
Fuck, I never noticed the rwby Rex there!
Team CYBR Reactions it’s basically impossible to notice it. You’re not meant to see it unless you pause at the perfect frame
Quick Rick! Say, "at least we didn't end world hunger in an ethically appropriate way!"
Oh shit, the velociraptor! I noticed it slightly before you pointed it out, making this the first volume I actually caught it in!
One for seven now.
Before this episode came out people were really excited to see the teams wear fancy outfits for the party, and were disappointed when they just wore their normal clothes, although I thought that might be the case, since I figured shit would go down and they wouldn't have time to change clothes when it did.
That would also imply they give a single modicum of a fuck about what Jauque wants.
@@teamcybr8375 That too, I'm glad the next episode has that loathsome viper gets what he deserves.
Wow, first time I think I've seen a reactor spot the RWBYsaurus
the day of the clip on tie. Jackques lost the last speck of respect he had.
Lost it when did he ever have it. I never respected his character when he was first introduced.
RWBY animation this season im loving, its amazing to think how it was in the begining now look at it. I'd love to see em react to Red vs Blue
It's a small thing but I love that Weiss refers uses "Mom" instead of "Mother" like when she's talking about Jack-a$$. It kind of shows she's closer to her mom despite everything
that horcrux´s compare to how penny is made...never though of it...but really good...
Ugh I have to wait a week for my favorite episode
"I'm just saying.... THEY'RE IN LOVE!!"
So i guess Weiss is a good girl and good individual, not necessarily a good sister? idk
9:34 ninja butlers.
It's been stated in Volumes 4 and 5 that Jacques married into the Schnee family name - and it's true. He was born Jacques Gelé.
Noooo They took her aaarms!!! ahahahahah 10/10
NOT ANOTHER ARM! XD
Poor penny this broke my heart she is so sweet 😟
(At 15:22) Fucking call it! Whitley DOES hate his sisters, because they left him isolated, without a second thought. Guess Whitley _IS_ more of a victim than his sisters are. Given the fact, he stayed longer with his father than they did.
That dinosaur on Ironwood's limo is RWBY Rex.
isn’t the waitress at 11:54 a certain flavor of sherbet
juvia lockser No but the waitress Winter bumps into in the scene right before at 11:38 is.
@@cbhensoncbhenson5515 Yeah, Neo is still mute.
juvia lockser Ah yes, the strawberry and chocolate flavored one... with a mixture of minty scene. How delicious lol.
Eric is Fairgame shipper confirmed
23:40 Wellllllll…
First time seeing the rwbysauris never noticed it till now
SURF NINJAS!!!!!!!!!!!!
God I love that they're remembering characters like Hisoka so easily compared to other characters
Weiss calls Jauques "father" in a cold, proper way while she calls Willow "mom" in a warm, lax kind of way... Even though she's an alcoholic and not a great mom, Weiss does love her mom very much despite Jauques being the reason of Willow's alcohol abuse.
Are you guys doing any reactions to Gen:lock.
17:48
Has blind wave reacted to red vs blue already?
16:06 LMAO!!! XD
Willow Schnee, joining Raven and Kali in the MILF category of the shipping FNDM. Ironic that she's introduced in the volume that Qrow quits drinking.
okay i knoe CRWBY didn't mean for lucky charm to be romantic or whatever, but even BlindWave caught it
it must say something
not to blame CRWBY or not blame them. it's a complex issue
SaviorOfNirn yeah but Eric isn’t a shipper and he felt like the show was trying to ship them
@SaviorOfNirn not at all
It means he thinks the writers are trying to ship them. His opinion has nothing to do with it. He saw the interactions between Qrow and Clover and felt that the writers shipped them. He felt no stake in it, he expressed no desire for it to go either way. In fact I think it's a testament to how ambiguous it was written that a viewer would think, "are they trying to ship them?" before actually shipping them themselves. (Which Eric, again, doesn't [like to] do.)
@SaviorOfNirn How do you know others didn't? Because he posed the question as to the writers intentions? Eric doesn't ship characters just because they're on screen together. If your definition of "shipper" is that, like most of the RWBY fandom, then he is most definitely not one. But he felt that the writers were forcing them to have suggestive interactions. He felt no connection between them naturally, and he never does between any characters except Aang and Katara in Avatar.
@SaviorOfNirn He hasn't said if he sees them as a couple, he says he thinks the writers do. He has said in the past that he avoids shipping.
Sam Elliot would have the presence to be Watts, but not the speed and vocality.
Just as a side comment I think you should put one mic further away from you so the audio of the show is louder than your voices so when you're talking we can still hear the audio but I doubt you'll see this comment anyways
hey Blind Wave! after you've watched all of season 7 PLEASE can you watch Mercury Black's RWBY V7 CRACK videos!! trust me there fuuny :)
Blind wave should react to Yu Yu Hakusho
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oh god... are they... making clover and qrow a thing??? OH GOD! MA GET THE BLEACH! THEY WILL RUIN MY FAVORITE CHARACTER!!!!!!
One of my expectations going into V7 was to see Klein again.
I guess with all the cutbacks at RT, they had to trim the fat with VAs.
(Yet they still had a cameo with team FNKI, but mostly one speaking VA. I guess they figured people wanted to see FNKI more than Klein.)
Dude. We all knew Klein was going to have been fired for what he did in Volume 4. Nobody seriously expected him to still be there.
@@teamcybr8375 Well I did. I had the expectation and there where no indications that her father would have figured out Klein aided in her departure. (Unless he has access to his wife's security cameras.)
Incidentally, most reactors I viewed seemed genuinely surprised that he was let go.
Wishful thinking I guess.
Still, he was a character they could drop and save $ on in a pinch without adversely affecting the story.
Team FNKI was pure fanservice. They certainly didn't need to appear.
@@DocMicrowave It's obvious that Klein helped Weiss, and even if it wasn't, the staff was ordered to prevent Weiss from leaving (Jaque says so), so it's not surprising the head servant would be fired for their failure.
They didn't cut him to save on budget. You're being ridiculous.
@@teamcybr8375 No need to get salty. It just wasn't clear to me how Klein was discovered when he seemed to be very discrete about his actions. But so be it. He was busted and fired. So it is written, so it is done. I actually expected him to be fired once it was revealed that he aided Weiss. I just would have appreciated seeing it happen. As with many things in the show, I think too much happens off screen.
And yes, I think they would leave out minor characters who might have been considered for an appearance in earlier planning to save on production resources at this point. If RT wasn't having so many reported issues last year, they probably could have had the resources to flesh out the story a little better so that it didn't feel so rushed.
Klein's character may or may not have been a victim of that. But it was an easy dismissal and explanation as depicted.
imo
@@Ghorda9 That sounds very plausible. With Whitley and family putting two and two together if Klein's departure coincided with Weiss's disappearance.
Whitley might have said he was let go just to save face.
Far be it ever said that a trusted employee ever quit the Schnee family staff. Probably one of best jobs in Atlas for the non-elite.
I think there might be more than 3 people on the council. You have to remember that it was a meeting the Jacques made. Robyn isn't even on the council. One kinda inconsistency is that in season 4 or 5, Ironwood tells Jacques that he holds 2 seats on the council as Headmaster of Atlas Academy and General of the military. But in one of these episodes, Ironwood says he doesn't want to lose his seat on the council.
The council is 5 seats, held by 4 people. Ironwood holds both the School and Military seats. The other seats aren't described, but are probably elected from three different districts.
@@Mirality I suspect:
1 seat: School headmaster
1 Seat: The General of the military
1 Seat: elected from the city of Mantle
1 Seat: elected from the city of Atlas
1 Seat also elected from the city ofAtlas, because evrybody is biased and Atlas thinks they are the best anyway. also they provide Heat and jobs for Mantle so why not.
@@sadi5713 I think Vale and Mistral also have a five seat council. Not Vacuo though, Shade Academy is apparently all they'll accept as a form of order, as explained in a WoR.