The Death of The American Long Hood Truck
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- Опубліковано 24 лис 2022
- The Death of The American Long Hood Truck. In this video, Dave talks about how a perfectly fine functioning truck has become obsolete, due to all the wrong reasons, such as diesel fuel prices, length laws etc.
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Hey there Driver. So glad you took the time to drop by to check out today's video. I am of the opinion that it's us, the truck drivers who have been affected by the morphing of the long hood trucks to the jelly bean trucks. But it's a complicated industry, that's for sure! What are your thoughts on the disappearance of the 'hoods'? Love to hear from you.
Well I hate to see them go its bullshit thats why my son was enquiring about the 389X since only 200 out of 1389 limited edition trucks are allocated for Canada...but I am getting back into a long hood sort of next week Garry bought us a International lonestar so its got the long hood but still sort of aerodynamic will have to see if much fuel mileage loss from the Peterbilt 579 I will give an update when get a trip done to L.A. lm looking forward to losing the digital dash in the 579 I've had it freeze up me no gauges at all just another blunder from the engineering dept at Peterbilt with no update to fix the problem yet but it is a easy temporary fix you just have to do a battery disconnect to reset the dash. Another problem is these manufacturers keep dumbing down these trucks so they can put a monkey in the truck to drive them should just be better training for drivers instead of these steering wheel holders going down the road with booth feet on the dash ear buds on and just clueless of the 80,000 lbs underneath them its a scary thought of who out on the roads nowadays
Oh ya I forgot to mention the price on the 389X he was quoted $308,000 and that is subject to change no guarantee so needless to say thats not happening hes just going to drop a crate DD15 engine in his Western Star 4900EX when the time comes
I read on a bumper sticker years ago, "If it's not broken, the government will keep fixing it until it is."
👍👍👍👍
Count on it! I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said, “I’m pro pipe line, my truck doesn’t run on fairy dust and unicorn piss!” 😂
I am 78 now but I remember my grandfather and my Dad being truck drivers back in the 40s through the 70s. I miss them and their old trucks.
Damn, and I thought DAVE was old! 🤣
I’m 25 and I’ve been trucking for almost 3 years, it’s always been my dream to drive a long nose Pete. It’s sad that they are disappearing, I start training as a car hauler in a few days and they have some 389’s. Wish me luck, I hope I get one!
There’s still a few out there. Your dream is certainly not unreachable. Good luck! 👍
That’s why I SO APPRECIATE when old timers like yourself give us a firsthand perspective on the history of trucking of “back in the day” and the legacy of the long hoods. As you know, I drove a 379 for 2.5 years and to this day (I’ll have 29 years experience in February) I STILL SAY there was nothing like it! I got instant respect on the radio from other drivers, and it was powerful and fun to drive. It was my very first “real taste” of OTR Trucking. Every time I see them now, which as you said, is less frequent, my head automatically turns without me even realizing it. It’s just plain instinctive. I REALLY DO appreciate your positive contributions to our industry. 👍 Thanks sir.
And thanks to you too SoCal for your input and your experience in the industry.
I drive a 2019 389 and I worked for 10 years in this industry busting my hump for one amd now I finally have one and in my opinion it totally sucks that we are about to lose these iconic rigs
I see long hood trucks every day. But I can see in a number of years them becoming extinct. I guess they're running on borrowed time as it is. Another good one from you guys.
I just found out the W9 I have been driving is being sold off to accommodate insurance companies who want automatic transmissions and a million accident avoidance sensors. It breaks my heart to see these hoods going away. Makes no sense when a hood in the right hands can be efficient and comfortable!
Keep up the good work and never stop calling out the idiocy of those in charge.
Like everything else, the companies don't want to pay for skilled labor they want minimum wage steering wheel holders and burger flippers.
@@Full_Otto_Bismarck yep, and that’s EXACTLY what they are getting.
Long live the 359, 379, 389, W900 and the other Hoods! My opinion you will have drivers continue to operate them even when they stop making them..
W9 is till in Production
Gm general, Superliner and l9000
I'm 53 and have only been driving for 3 years, I'm a company driver but am already working on getting out of trucking. Tired of the 4 wheelers and tired of driving in the Northeast.
You should have started 30 years ago you would have been retired by now
Get out of the Northeast and you’ll like it more, trust me.
I started Trucking at 16 being a Yard Man.. Was an owner operator "long hood" for 10 years in the 80s. Got out of trucking when fuel got stupid $$$.. 64 now. I've got a lot to say about the subject, but you covered it.. great channel! Thank you
Back in 1985 when I first started driving drove a 1958 needle nose Kenworth day cab hauling a dump trailer in Boston she was rough but boy wouldn't I love to go back to that time
There is no fire like a battery fire, I really feel for the fire departments when these electric trucks start crashing and overheating.
Hopefully truck stop fires don’t happen when there are over 30 electric trucks charging at the same time overnight.
You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT The trucking industry has been SCREWED
Drove an 85 W900 for a while. Cat, 15 speed, 3.90s and tall rubber. That big girl had no steering cut and was hell to back up, and oh she only got 4.8 mpg combined. Anteaters can be stuck almost anywhere and can turn on a dime. Now I believe you can make a big hood more efficient with tuning and friction reduction, but the laws of physics and aerodynamics are still what they are.
You got to tell more stories about trucking in the 70s and 80s in a long format video!
We’re starting a series of longer videos about the history of trucking including the glory days of trucking… which will include a lot of stories ;)
@@SmartTrucking I really look forward to that!
I'll definitely miss the long-hood trucks. I'm currently 14 and I want to be a trucker when I grow up, but I want to be in a good-looking, shiny, and reliable truck instead of the modern trucks that break down all the time that International, Freightliner, and all the other truck manufactures are putting out. I hope someone gets up in politics and ends all this government nonsense!
Well one thing is for sure, by the time you’re of driving age in 7 more years, there will be changes as usual. Whether for the better or not remains to be seen. You will be the next generation of drivers. Hopefully what we hand off to you will still be what you have always dreamed of doing. Good luck! 👍
In Australia you still see a lot of new long hood trucks. T909, T610 SAR and Western Star 48-4900 being most common. I think it's because aerodynamics aren't as important when the Gross weight is 130,000 Lbs.
Edit. However the sleepers and chassis length are very short.
I still see a bunch of these trucks on the road. Maybe there's plenty less of them now but there's still so many of them you don't have to cross the country just to go to a truck show to see one of these long nose trucks. Go to any major truck stop. There's thousands of truck stops. So it's a little dramatic to make it seem like these types of trucks are not still a dime a dozen. They're still fluidly in everyday traffic on major interstates
I'm going to miss a lot of things. They're going to shut down society as we know it.
Not a trucker but I'm a huge fan of the big trucks and the people that drive them be safe keep the rubber side down🚛🚚
I always love seeing the long hoods on the road. It,s sad to see them disappearing. To me they are the TRUCKS!
I grew up with my dad and grandpa along with several uncles that drove cabovers and can remember the day that they got there first hood , it was something that they all were proud of, I also thought then that one day I was going to get one, and did. Now I own my own trucks and was looking forward to seeing it grow and get a hood or two, but it’s looking like those days are going down for good,,,,,, well not good because when there gone a lot of drivers are going to go with them. A very sad day for trucking
Dave ain’t nothing like a stretched hood. I’m glad I got to grow up around them & drive them👍👍👍
Long live the long hoods🙏 I just started driving back in April and there’s something about a 379 that just hits different
I just ordered a new Pete 389 long hood . Last chance to spec new one
Hey man you're speaking to the choir. I started driving in 87 w/ 4900 Western Star 280" wheelbase pulling a 48 102, beautiful truck w/ a 80" sleeper. I could get that truck in just about anyplace, there were a few places in the northeast that were challenging. But w/ a little patience and skill it worked out.
Then in the early 90s you started to see the 53' trailers. By then I was an owner/operator making good money too. Owned a few trucks by the mid 90s. At that point they began to mess with the regulations, everyone was running 53 footers.
As trailers got larger I stopped running trucks to the northeast entirely, my trucks wouldn't fit in the smaller docks anymore. Forced to run bigger trailers but no increase on length and weight restrictions, plus fuel costs forced the large cars out to pasture.
Now I'm 56 and a owner of a modest trucking company(40 trucks) and construction company. (mainly dump trucks and heavy equipment) I held onto the big hoods as long as I could until it wasn't profitable, still haven't converted to autos, that's another story. But I do miss driving those big behemoths, the sound the power, ahhhh. I'm gonna need a minute.
When Dave tells a story, it's like somebody reciting my life experience back to me. I could not have put it any more succinctly than this. Hit the nail square on the head as always. I could see this whole thing starting to play itself out back in the day.
I’m been trucking for 7 1/2 years, pretty much heavy haul since I started, started moving drillings at 25 and now move heavy equipment and i love it! I’ve always loved those long hoods! My favorite looking trucks are the old needle nose butterfly hood Pete’s and KWs! Todays modern trucks, I would love to have my own 379 or 388 long nose!
Hey 👋, so nice to hear someone put it into perspective so this new generation can see the big picture. Been around d the industry all my life, my dad had 7 Trucks @ one point, so I'm no stranger to the industry. Been driving since I was 13, n I'm 55 now and it's a disgrace what's been done to the industry. Roll on along, keep the rubber side down.
Very interesting to know the history and the ins and outs
Thanks , Dave
Hell you can’t even register one in Calif ! Got one sitting in my yard , Big bunk , 3406 Cat ,15 speed and can’t even drive around the block. THANK YOU CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD !!!
I started in the early 80's in a cabover and within a year and a half was in a worn-out R model mack with a coffin on the back. Little bit later finally got into a hood flattop. Oh son life was good. Had me a loud long distance radio, handful of paper lying books and a pack of comdata checks so I could go to the fuel desk and get good ole green USA money with pictures of past Presidents. Wore nice clean wranglers, a nice looking western shirt and nice polished boots. My truck was kept as clean as the weather would allow.
I would eat inside the dinner with my bag beside me because I just got out of the shower. Always left the lil cutie waitress a good tip and a kind word before walking over to the game room to look down to the pinball heroes. (Didn't have time for any games. Back in the seat for round 2 with the second logbook of the day.
We didn't walk around in sweat pants and flip flops and a nasty sweat shirt with a ball cap on the head settin falf crooked while eating a whole pizza on the way to the truck. We had to much self respect for that mess. Sweat pants were acceptable at 3am during an emergency restroom run.
Things have changed a lot in the last few years. Absolutely disrespectful the way things have changed. My rant is over. Thanks for listening.
We use the long nose 379 Peterbilts for our trucks hauling side-dumps. In Nebraska you see a lot of the farmers using and cherishing their 379s.
Great video i never knew about the story behind the 53 footers, in ny you still see lots of dump trailers and low boys with big hoods but I'm sure eventually the lousy government will say they are not appropriate
Have to say with the loss of these long hoods we will see them surging more in popularity. Recently running I49 from Shreveport to Lafayette Louisiana I have seen a huge surge in restored Cab Overs running the big road. I expect to see this happening when it comes to the long hoods once you cannot buy them new anymore.
I dont know a thing about trucking but this channel always makes it interesting
I was reading a article estimates that a truck stop with level 3 charging for tractor trailers would take the equivalent of a small to mid size Towns power.
I’m still working on getting my CDL in the US. I’ve been driving trucks in the UK for sometime now. I would always get excited when I got to see a rare working American import they are usually used as wreckers but not always. I’m looking forward to driving a real American big rig and not some boring soulless truck. It’s actually the second reason I moved over here after being with my love of course.
Hi there ' I'm a new viewer ,old Trucker.
I drive for a friend and long-time family run business that in the 70s and 80"s was a moving force in the industry. Most of their rigs, Peterbilt ,many Ext.hoods .back when drivers would work for Chrome . I drive local mostly.
In a 379 Ext.hood ,not very efficient as far as fuel goes.
It is what this old back will endure, though . Short wheel base (jelly beans) would be preferred in some of the places I deliver,but they still llove to see that old Iron rolling in .
I used to work for KW as Diesel Mechanic and I drove as a mover my favorite truck has always been the Peterbilt 379 I like the W900 but the Pete sits lower and turns tighter especially backing up at least to me but I remember when the Lonestar came out the dealership/idealease I worked for got one of the first Harley Davidson Edition I loved that thing to
Great topic !
Are you going to ever bring back the live streams? I liked those long format discussions myself.
OUT WITH THE OLD!
IN with the NEW: new problems, new more stringent requirements, new parts that are actually consumables, and most importantly newly redesigned to be obsolete by the time that lease is up - that way the lucrative second-hand market is eliminated.
We must ALL own nothing, and smile mindlessly to demonstrate our collective happiness.
Thanks for all your effort to show it like it is.
Happy new year!
Sadly, here in Brazil we are in the same path, but a few miles ahead. It's been a couple of years since only cabovers have been manufactured. As you correctly said: all in the name of GREED... But anyway let's keep rolling and never let ours long nose friends die. I keep riding my 1996 Volvo NL12... God bless!
Thanks for the info. I've never been a fan of the long nose. I just love my 2023 Cascadia.
It's really sad! I have 2 LTL9000s and here in a few years I wonder if I'll even be aloud to run them on the road, or if they'll try to make them illegal, along with all the other long nose rigs.
My 96 w9 has got over 2.5mil on the frame rails. Place I'm signed on with has alot of guys running paper, old hoods and even some cabovers. Still see a good amount of cool old trucks running steel
I miss the classic look already. Like you said in a video awhile back, the new trucks are “Fuggly”.
I don't think they'll ever go away, at least not completely. It's like the slow demise of the V8 and manual transmission, plenty of people will keep them alive and working no matter what. I still see them daily, whether in the cab of my beet truck or driving around in my personal vehicle, lots of long hoods still out on the road. I've only ever gotten the pleasure to drive one long hood truck in my lifetime and that was a KW W900, what an experience it was! Looking down that long plane of square hood just has some uniqueness to it that can't be explained.
Fuel would be more expensive if the trailers were smaller. If the average payload was 5% lower, they'd need to run 5% more loads to get the same amount of product moved. More trips costs a lot more fuel than a slightly wider trailer.
I’m not a CDL operator but I love the older long hood square body beauties
Roll safe Dave!
6:49 I remember seeing that truck coming off of I-75! What a beauty..
I have a local run where I literally have a 30 mile round trip. Fuel economy is of little use. So I'll always have a hood. I make more than enough to drive what I love to drive.
Yes I going to miss them I’m 60 and looking forward too
Retirement because I can’t stand the new trucks
I gotta say I loved the cab overs. Damn easy to back with them too.
I just watched this video sitting in my 05’ w900L coffin sleeper truck the boss just picked up for me out of Alberta, Canada, waiting to pick up a set of super B clam dumps while staring at the truck yard of a company that has a handful of conventional long hood Pete’s parked in it. This Kenny is my first dedicated hood truck in the 9 years I’ve been driving, and absolutely love it compared to my snub nose 2022 freightliner 114SD. The ride quality is incomparable.
I used to repair and maintain longhoods even couple cab overs. There fun to work on, with exception to working on its tires. Once thing I still hate working on tires to these beautiful machines
I work for a smaller company in Adelaide
and most of our fleet are Cat ( Navistar)
, you know a typical modern plastic truck. The other a guy in a W 900 was in the yard picking up a load , talk about a blast from the past.
The first truck I drove was an 82 peterbuilt cab over. Sure the hell don't miss it. Drive it at john rays roofing company in stockton ca. My first week on the job the front tire came off on hy 5 in Tracy going 55. It hit like the center concrete devider and flew like 200 feet in the air.
I drive one and the company asked me if I wanted a new truck, hell no I don't want a lizard killer truck
Well I own one and still running it I got a 98 379 and I love my truck to the fullest.....thanks for ur info
Happy late Thanksgiving Dave and Kathy
I use to drive a 379 and it was awesome. I really do miss driving her. His son had a 377 he stretched out to 302. Amazing to drive even though it was the original motor but bumped up
godfather of long hoods keep the videos coming!
I do want to point out the arguably biggest benefit of curved hoods vs long hoods. Better visibility and therefore safety. Your frontal Blindspot is decreased significantly when the hood is curved, even just by a couple of degrees.
Another thing is that long hoods accommodate larger engines, but as the years have gone by manufacturers have been able to get more power out of smaller engines (Hell Ford is getting 500 horsepower and 1200 pounds of torque out of their 6.7 power stroke from the factory)
Not saying is better than the other, but rather just some points that were glossed over or potentially missed.
I do as you say 'gloss over' some points to save viewers the agony of watching a longggggger than necessary video. WWe'd need to take a look at the accident rates/hood style to confirm that the extra visibility decreases accidents. I'm doubtful that's true. It's often the skill of the driver.
Yes sir, Thank you so much for the video much appreciated .I drive a Peterbilt 389 with the 270 wheelbase and a 53 ft trailer My company is having me go to some little meat market down in Chicago Illinois. Now I did my research they would be lucky to get a day cab short day cab in there mind you. I'm fixing to tell my company no I'm not going in there. Of course if they send me a message on my electric logs that they will take all responsibility for whatever could happen I will take the challenge. Love you guys have a very good day.
I seen a custimized Peterbuild 379 a week ago a town over. Had a dragonskull grill, sunvisor so big, it seem like he'd have to bend over just to see through the windshield. lol Was a cool sight, though, I live in a dairy town, and see quite a bit of the old longhoods, usually run down, though. They are used for short hauls between the dairies and the cheese factory, etc.
Yes, every time I see a long hood, it catches my eye and I say now THAT'S a truck!
FL CLASSIC XL w/60 series and 13 spd is my favorite. Been at it 6 years and drove a classic for 4 months but still have yet to drive the XL......someday!
Want to get my cdl A and definitely want a long hood
Always had a huge respect for trucks and they drivers, big and powerful yet majestic and skillful
I won't miss the old school trucks at all. They had their place and time, but they have larger blind spots, are less comfortable, larger turning radius, less room, and are louder inside. That means both my office space and my home are worse in those old trucks. They look better than most of the new trucks, but looks are the lowest item on the list. As nice as my T800W is for heavy haul, the 49X blows it out if the water in every way, and honestly looks better with the chrome grill.
Very much agree with everything you say.
I would’ve never known there’s small business down the street from me you can hear the detroit downshifting from the highway when they come down my road
I started trucking in the early 70s in Canada, where gasoline powered trucks were common for short haul, trailers were 40 or 45 footers both were either 96" or 102" and no log books within Canada until 1990, just lovely, my daily earnings were greater. No pollution devices on the engines but they weren't as fuel efficient as today's electronically controlled trucks, Nor were the sleepers anyway as comfortable as todays trucks, which made cabovers the more comfortable at the time. The big trucking companies wouldn't hire you unless you were at least 21 years old and or you had experience. I'm a retired senior, but I anticipate that electric and fuelcell trucks will soon takeover the industry.
I've heard that they want to make the trailers even bigger now. It won't be long before we'll start seeing cabovers again. They won't look like the cool, classic American cabovers though, more like the goofy looking European rigs.
I don't see the allure of driving those old cabovers driving them back in the 80s when I started really sucked .
Yes Dave I will miss them that’s for sure just like the trucking industry in general from 40 years ago a much more sublime era then the grand Dabacle we are in now
Just got my old short hood 359 back on the road this year and a fat as I'm concerned it will be the last one I need and I'm only knocking on 40.
I remember when Werner, CR England, Pride and so on ran extended hoods. Those were the good ol'days 😢
Still some good looking trucks working in Nebraska. Especially pulling bull racks and grain hoppers. But I agree, I-80 is full of inconsiderate ugly trucks. Most have no idea what flashing your lights mean. For example, cops, wildlife or dangerous conditions on the road, or even when they are passing you and are safely past you.
Do you ever do other podcasts? I’d love to see you as a guest! Keep the rubber side down
Hate to see the long nose’s become extinct. Use to drive one myself. It was a little older model but I loved it by much more than the newer models with shorter hood’s. It was just a more comfortable large car. It had a 252 inch wheelbase; a custom built sleeper with all the luxuries during that time period; slept two very comfortably; for power it had the very well tuned 1693 TA Clatterpillar w/ Brake Saver; twin stick 5 and a 4 trannies; and 11.X24.5 rubber with 4:10 gears. It was a ‘73 Pete. And I loved it! In my humble opinion, that 1693 TA Clatterpillar Engine was the best ever built. I miss those days but still really enjoy seeing and admiring them Long Nose Large Cars going down the road.
I am just about to start my trucking career and im hoping one day i can get a peterbilt 379. It is my dream to drive one and own one. I just hope they dont disappear before i can own it.
Sad but true . I started in the 70’s with COE’s then long nose conventional to small hood short wheel based day cabs. Glad I retired in 2006 .
God, yes I will miss them.
Yes I will miss them Retired 35 yr driver recently my Son has been trucking for 10 yrs moved up to one of thous large cars Pete 389 Ian he's walking with his chest out and walking proud, I'm considering coming out of retirement to team this truck.
Every single time I'm at work, and I see an old piece of iron still on the road, I just take a second to enjoy it, it's shame those old girls are slowly going away, especially here in California, back in Colorado they were pretty often too see, now it's all just drop nose trucks that aren't taken care of for shit. On top of that, everytime I hear one that's pre emissions, gotta roll the windows down just to listen too her. Dave you are lucky you got to start your career in them, each and every day im at work I just wish I could've drove back in the 70s, im jealous. Still trying my best to find a local company out here that has a fleet of long hoods, no luck unfortunately.
I have a really nice 379 sitting in the driveway. I only haul oversized or heavy equipment. A guy can't afford to use it hauling general frieght anymore.
I saw one today hauling a tank container. But it is a odd sight nowadays
I drive a 2023 W900 (unfortunately a daycab so that's no fun) and I feel deeply connected to it.
Since it's a 2023 it can't be any weeks old, and you already deeply connected to it. Nice trucks
I had dreams of one day owning my own custom KW900 but its looking impossible now with the way things are going smh
I drive a 9900ix daycab hauling pulpwood and wood chips here in northern mn still lots of 379 389 w900 and 9900 9300 in this area we are doing a lot of off road in the winter last year i was 13 miles off any road all frozen woods road and then 60 to 130 miles of highway to get to the mill even worse north of us in canada
I have been in and out of trucking, since the early 70's, now retired / disabled.
The only areas the long hoods are now seen are on dedicated heavy hauls .
American senators have fixed trucking with the EPA until trucking is broke to the point of no repair , sad
You still see a lot on the 15 going to salt lake city. They take a lot of pride up there
I miss the long hoods and triple digit trucks from 20+ years ago when I started.
I told my bosses that they need to get 2 new drivers or get me an older E-log exempt truck too. Come January when we have to put the e-log in the trucks I run for them, I’m only doing local stuff. On paper logs it’s all good, once the computer tells me to shut it down an hour from the yard unless they’re going to pay me to sit the next 10 I’m out LOL
I started on the 89s money was great and the fuel price was amazing. Where are those loads?
I'm retired, My Pete '95 379 EXHD sits in My garage undergoing a resto. I retired just before the covid fiasco. I began to notice things were starting to get tight at certain destinations, expecially at Truck Stops back east.
Real Estate is at a premium, so space becomes more valuable. It all comes down to dollars and cents. A 10 acre industrial lot use to cost somewhere in the neighborhood of 250k to 1/2 a mill depending on location. Now, the same lot, it worth 1.5 to 2 mill. Or more. So when they are designing shipping docks they are going to squeeze things as tight as they can. One of My last deliveries were to a new food distribution center in Chicago. The docks and space to maneuver were so tight I needed a shoe horn and gallon on grease to get to the dock. The long nose did Me no favors there.
Yes the politicians and Corporate America have screwed around with the trucking industry, but then again they always have. Back when they were switching from horse drawn wagons to trucks, truck manufactures and companies would buy them, then sell off the horses to Alpo then burn the wagons.
Time stands still for no man. Our kids will see automatized electric trucks and trains, then marvel at My '95 379 sitting in a museum wondering how truckers could drive such antiquated behemoths.
We recently received quote for a 2024 KW990 ... Talk about BIG GREED! Over $330,000 for a day cab. All we own are long hood trucks and at the current NEW truck price range, we will do all we can by God's grace to keep our small fleet going. May God bless the truckers & every small business 🙏
This is all true. Sad times we live in. Stay safe as well, bud. "An drive on."
Chicago, IL
They should of stopped at 48 footers
Come to Alaska! Plenty of long nose Pete’s and KWs up here!