J. Krishnamurti - Ojai 1982 - Discussion with Scientists 1 - Roots of psychological disorder

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  • J. Krishnamurti - Ojai 1982 - Discussion with Scientists 1 - Roots of psychological disorder
    Summary:
    Q: What is the source of psychological disorder?
    Is not the self the beginning of all disorder?
    I have created society through my anxiety, through my desire for security, through my desire to have power. Like the animal. It's biologically inherited. Also my own individualistic activity has created this society. Is it possible to be free of my conditioning?
    If my relationship with life is not "right" how can I find out something that's immensely beyond all this, beyond time, beyond thought, beyond measure?
    Will knowledge transform me?
    Is there a deep, abiding security?
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 939

  • @ioannisaliazis
    @ioannisaliazis 3 роки тому +882

    I love how after every question they take their time to think before answering and that they’re civil and calm, qualities that are so lacking nowadays.

    • @georgek5506
      @georgek5506 3 роки тому +5

      Είναι όντως όμορφο.. συνεννοούνται όμως; Καταλαβαίνουν ο ένας τον άλλον ώστε να φτάσουν σε ένα συμπέρασμα;

    • @ketankshukla
      @ketankshukla 3 роки тому +26

      Yeah, these days it's all about who can answer the quickest and instant gratification. Like interviews on news channels.

    • @saideepreddy9922
      @saideepreddy9922 3 роки тому +6

      Answer is in their discussion only
      That people become more self centered as they don't even what to listen others opinions completely beyond reality
      People thinking their observations, experiences, opinions, are more important than the reality
      It's completely self centered individualistic way of life as jk said in discussion
      And one important thing is people are not adaptive they want to be stubborn

    • @aaronsmyth7943
      @aaronsmyth7943 3 роки тому +8

      They're not lacking, they have completely vanished.

    • @SkateboardingMotivator
      @SkateboardingMotivator 3 роки тому +3

      my goodness, yes!

  • @yared8771
    @yared8771 4 роки тому +789

    This is a real discussion.
    Not the trash debates between atheist, scientists and religious people of today with stadium alike audiences that clap and scream

    • @servantofthesmc
      @servantofthesmc 3 роки тому +44

      Ya Red so true. I do not want to take anything away from the importance of the topics, but I found myself simply enjoying seeing people sitting together, having a discussion. Not with the purpose of “winning” the discussion or be proven right. Simply for the purpose of searching for an answer to a problem for the benefit of all.

    • @katrhiknaidu1989
      @katrhiknaidu1989 3 роки тому +15

      Exactly... It's a dialogue or discussion 😌

    • @christophebonhoefferofbelg9846
      @christophebonhoefferofbelg9846 3 роки тому +27

      Yes, it’s refreshing that nobody got “ owned” or “destroyed “..Very civilised discussion between great minds.

    • @sudhakaram
      @sudhakaram 3 роки тому +14

      Diving deep without outside help is not easy. Only _advanced_ seekers will be able to do that.

    • @larsnorqvist6905
      @larsnorqvist6905 3 роки тому +6

      Yes indeed. Its almost like being able to breathe again after a long period of suffocation. Yes I watched these pointless debates you are mentioning. This is a serious
      dialogue and an increasingly important one.

  • @jaabaadaabaaadoo
    @jaabaadaabaaadoo 3 роки тому +259

    These conversations are national treasure of the world. Totally mind blowing. Pure meditation. JK is limitless.

    • @NYCBG
      @NYCBG 2 роки тому +9

      Hence, INTERnational treasure, wouldn’t you say?

    • @polarbear8188
      @polarbear8188 Рік тому +2

      surprisingly i dont see it mind blowing at all. this conversation has awkward and JK drives most of the conversation based on his understanding.

    • @WeebRemover4500
      @WeebRemover4500 Рік тому +1

      the whole conv seems like to me a bunch of grown men trying to explain a toddler why he cant rub lasagna all over his own face and throw the dish on the floor, i can sense their frustration growing. however very impressive that they can keep it in themselves, numerous times jk keeps on reverting back to a point that has already been addressed- he might be demented but i would consider that extremely rude

    • @debasispanda7579
      @debasispanda7579 Рік тому +2

      Global treasure

  • @carlosjuarez7449
    @carlosjuarez7449 Рік тому +54

    Around 40 years ago,I built the stonework at his residence in Ojai, and spoke with him on a daily basis. I was young and hadn't grown spiritually yet. Wish I would've spoken with him about it!

    • @pradeepkumarm944
      @pradeepkumarm944 Рік тому +1

      So, do you have any interesting anecdotes or insights to share? Did you happen to note them down?

    • @williamwasilewski7925
      @williamwasilewski7925 10 місяців тому

      You are here now 🙏

  • @shiva16
    @shiva16 4 роки тому +448

    After a long time, this, youtube's suggestion was worth it, literally.

    • @BourhilOthmane
      @BourhilOthmane 4 роки тому +2

      Oh man i felt the same watching it now...

    • @abclevxyz
      @abclevxyz 4 роки тому +8

      When the algorithms become better than the human being....?

    • @ketankshukla
      @ketankshukla 3 роки тому +4

      Yeah, nice of UA-cam to take a break form suggesting Miley Cyrus underwear dances.

    • @jyriluonila6924
      @jyriluonila6924 3 роки тому +1

      At last! Thank you, UA-cam (this one time...)

    • @mrbanyuwangistorytime633
      @mrbanyuwangistorytime633 3 роки тому

      If it was “literally” Worth it then that would mean there’s a value to it, how valuable is this to you

  • @katjagrunther1784
    @katjagrunther1784 Рік тому +67

    I never went to university, and so I've never gotten to experience dialogue, debate such as this. How wonderful to know that people can truly LISTEN to one another, and out of mutual respect, want to learn the Truth of a thing, rather than push a personal belief. I had a very fine qigong teacher who used to tell us that no one person, no matter how learned or studied, could ever know the Totality, or total Truth of a thing - that our perception of a thing can only ever be a very small part of the whole, seen through the lens of our particular upbringing, education, conditioning, etc. I get the sense that Krishnamurti is leading these learned men to find a deeper truth, without stating it, by asking questions, by helping them come to the answer themselves... My personal feeling is that egoism is the cause of so many of the terrible things happening on this planet. And I DO believe it is possible to change this aspect of ourselves, though it must surely be the most painfully difficult thing one could ever endeavour to do...

    • @nevas.calvert139
      @nevas.calvert139 Рік тому +1

      Yes, precious person. I wonder if it might prove to be the least painful thing to do in Reality. ?

    • @aliquran7535
      @aliquran7535 5 місяців тому

      This is not debate

    • @ojassrivastava5066
      @ojassrivastava5066 2 місяці тому +1

      i guess being judgemental in the right way, about evreything , can provide total freedom, experince a thing, being judgemtal about it, but in the right way, observe it, and same apply to myself too, to get away from self conflict or societal conflict

  • @clydemcintee1056
    @clydemcintee1056 7 років тому +277

    My favorite part, "How will you help me to go into myself so deeply that I understand and go beyond". I enjoyed this discussion thoroughly. Thank you for making this available.

    • @guruprasadmuppana3717
      @guruprasadmuppana3717 4 роки тому +6

      Are you here for enjoyment ?

    • @GokuBlackEdits
      @GokuBlackEdits 3 роки тому +3

      @@guruprasadmuppana3717 it's still better than discussions/debates these days

    • @niharikakorada
      @niharikakorada 2 роки тому

      my favorite part as well

    • @NYCBG
      @NYCBG 2 роки тому +2

      @@guruprasadmuppana3717 No, he is here for self torment. Trust me, I know Clyde.

  • @stefvandeven6790
    @stefvandeven6790 2 роки тому +33

    Ive never in my life have ever seen such a respectful, peaceful and understanding dialogue!

  • @rockyrai7314
    @rockyrai7314 3 роки тому +81

    I felt like in Heaven while listening all of this. How maturely , patiently and deeply they were listening each other.The conversation Going straight in the Heart.

    • @monstersofthemidway4402
      @monstersofthemidway4402 2 роки тому +3

      I agree, I also like how they make you think about these subjects. Just put more thought in to it some times we go about our life with out really thinking about our action. Once you start feeling your brain working and getting exercise its like a breath of fresh air. They should do more of this now a days.

  • @adlozi
    @adlozi 4 роки тому +94

    wow, what an honest conversation. I want more people like that around me.

    • @tanveersingh5967
      @tanveersingh5967 3 роки тому

      You are the society! You are the people surrounding you, that's what i got from it .

    • @benjaminblinksma1911
      @benjaminblinksma1911 2 роки тому +1

      me too to be honest the world would be a better place with people like krishnamurti

  • @rajeshmithun9455
    @rajeshmithun9455 3 роки тому +341

    This is called A Dialogue of Wise people. Not a trash talk show among so called intellectuals in present days

    • @darrenwalshe8513
      @darrenwalshe8513 3 роки тому +15

      Intellectual trash talks are ego driven 😤

    • @SkateboardingMotivator
      @SkateboardingMotivator 3 роки тому +3

      True Facts!

    • @meghan42
      @meghan42 3 роки тому +4

      And yet, how does your comment contribute to this inquiry? Where is the actual inquiry ? Why do we keep up this status quo?

    • @christine.panayiotakakos
      @christine.panayiotakakos 2 роки тому +5

      observing without evaluation is the highest form intelligence.

    • @hamburgareable
      @hamburgareable 2 роки тому +1

      Of course

  • @mss4056
    @mss4056 2 роки тому +15

    Jiddu Krishnamurti spoke the absolute truth. Soon the world will become ready to understand his beautiful teaching ♥️

    • @jdavidrhea
      @jdavidrhea Рік тому +1

      I am skeptical that this is true. The world trends towards increased disorder constantly, it seems. I’m very heartbroken about the state of the world today.

    • @comenadgetme
      @comenadgetme Рік тому

      @@jdavidrhea Same here. I don´t think human beings could ever really change...

    • @Rockstargamesfanatic
      @Rockstargamesfanatic 9 місяців тому

      ⁠@@comenadgetmeor it could be that the downward spiral that society is currently heading, will simultaneously create a bigger need for this truth to be heard by everyone. Just like most of us with that sort of subconscious craving for the right way to live our lives we feel different trying to conform to the way this society is setup and cannot accept that this is the way we were meant to live, being stuck in a trap of our own selfish and materialistic making.

  • @brettneuberger6466
    @brettneuberger6466 3 роки тому +134

    This is such a fascinating discussion and shows how psychology, biology and science are now discovering the truth of Krishnamurti’s position. Epigenetics now shows we can change our biological conditioning. Techniques like ACT and mindfulness in Psychology are teaching patients to recognize they exist as more than just a collection of thoughts, feelings and conditioning. And quantum physics is proving more and more that one’s so called reality is not as real as we ‘think.’
    Considering how far our species has evolved technologically and otherwise, it’s imperative humanity recognize the truth shared by masters and mystics over millennia. Unless we come to know Ourselves, we’ll destroy ourselves. It’s time!

    • @williamkoscielniak820
      @williamkoscielniak820 3 роки тому +4

      Yes, our inwards lives have to advance to the degree of our outwards environment. We've gone to the moon and much more. We have to become inwardly every bit as "advanced" or we will destroy ourselves with the technologies we have created.

    • @prformnce
      @prformnce 2 роки тому +2

      That’s the next part of evolution. Let’s hope we can manage to survive this climate crisis in order to fulfill us within

    • @clodhopper-dodo
      @clodhopper-dodo 2 роки тому +2

      @@williamkoscielniak820 inward life advancement is not an evolutionary process. It has to happen instantly without an element of time. This was the unique contribution of Krishnamurti.

    • @niranjanm5942
      @niranjanm5942 2 роки тому

      It feels like lot of things are rediscovered just because scientists feel superior to anything that was done previously and doesn't even attempt to understand what is already there

    • @krox477
      @krox477 Рік тому

      I'm from future to tell you we have created ai

  • @nishantsinha27
    @nishantsinha27 3 роки тому +55

    I literally felt some thing inside me changed forever midway listening to this... omg i am so glad I watched it.

  • @Magadh02
    @Magadh02 3 роки тому +49

    This is called the real gems of knowledge...By the great soul.

  • @triggabun
    @triggabun 4 роки тому +29

    I came to almost the same conclusion on my own yesterday. Accept the suffering. Enjoy it because there is no escaping it. The suffering comes from trying to escape the inescapable. It is exhausting.

    • @manikandankrishnamoorthy139
      @manikandankrishnamoorthy139 3 роки тому +2

      very true,, suffering is no suffering escaping is suffering ..hi tterie

    • @lovbet8609
      @lovbet8609 3 роки тому +2

      If you look closely there's not suffering at all, it is just illusion. You have to look into suffering what it is.

    • @devonseamoor
      @devonseamoor Рік тому

      @@lovbet8609 I believe that the experience of suffering isn't an illusion for our senses and our minds, as far as emotions and feelings storm through us. I agree with your last sentence, that we've got to look into suffering as what it is, yes 🧐

    • @vck05
      @vck05 Рік тому +1

      I would say pain and suffering is two different things , Pain is inevitable but suffering is optional . If some one poke you it will cause pain but in your mind you have option to make it suffering or not!!

    • @therealme1651
      @therealme1651 29 днів тому

      This conversation alone reflects what Krishnamurti started our present world’s leaning into a whole new level of cognition in regards to A New Humanity. If I let go of trying to understand everything exactly and just let the way they are all talking sort of “wash over” me…I am transformed

  • @trivikramjayacham8337
    @trivikramjayacham8337 3 роки тому +31

    so respectful conversation. keen listening. insightful questions. deep reflections. objective answers. JK is so admirable.

  • @justinv.1573
    @justinv.1573 5 років тому +168

    Krishnamurti: the man, the myth, the legend

    • @TheTirikou
      @TheTirikou 4 роки тому +10

      Please don't say that. He's just a man who I'm sure understood but I'm not sure what exactly.

    • @AdamJWM
      @AdamJWM 2 роки тому +2

      @@TheTirikou easy, he was just playing. I recognize that saying from the movie Amadeus about Mozart. Very unKrishnamurti of you to ask someone to not express themselves because something they said makes you feel a certain way.
      What did that comment make you feel? Go into it.

    • @jaya1000
      @jaya1000 2 роки тому +2

      He was a philosopher. Not to be worshipped, but studied.

  • @lilyrose4174
    @lilyrose4174 2 роки тому +11

    The whole conversation was so decent with deep insight into ourselves to find solutions within ourselves instead of depending on others. And individual problem is not a personal problem with depression, anxiety, anger, war etc… it’s holistic.. it can only be solved through Self introspection by asking questions ourselves. If we change inside the world changes… humans are inter linked…vibration, it’s a ripel effect.

  • @disliketheclickbaits8858
    @disliketheclickbaits8858 4 роки тому +87

    Whenever i listenin this man, i just fall in love with him.

    • @sanjayarya1664
      @sanjayarya1664 4 роки тому +1

      Mee too brother🙏🙏🇮🇳🇮🇳

    • @yvonne2965
      @yvonne2965 2 роки тому

      He is very lovable 💞

  • @shivanktyagi4033
    @shivanktyagi4033 3 роки тому +19

    The thing i liked most in this discussion is that each individual took some time to comprehend what is being asked. I think this is the difference between discussion and debate, in debate, each individual is ready with the answers without thinking much about the question.

  • @samykurba9886
    @samykurba9886 3 роки тому +15

    May the psycological education and guidance start soon in every school from kindergarten to universities all over the world💗🙏💗

  • @mrraamsridhar
    @mrraamsridhar 3 роки тому +8

    The gentleness with which each member approaches the conversation, alternating between rapt listening/introspecting and soft interjections to put forth their points reflects the wisdom that each one of them carries. The ones who truly wish to learn are the ones who are learned

  • @nabe8771
    @nabe8771 6 років тому +71

    Thank you for uploading this.and to translate this. From Japan.

  • @astroradha7124
    @astroradha7124 2 роки тому +20

    JK is light years ahead. The way he explains: why separate yourself from society, I am society." Love his gentle and genteel manner.

  • @rajibghosh3240
    @rajibghosh3240 3 роки тому +9

    I went deep into it and felt like opening a new horizon of thought absolutely true to life.

  • @noshb57
    @noshb57 Рік тому +3

    Not sure what led me to this but this is so much needed today, bring back Krishnamurti 😢 although our minds seem to be so far gone I can't imagine the majority of humanity being able to understand or relate to this anymore.

  • @5satya
    @5satya 6 років тому +160

    Introducing JK as a 'religious philosopher and author...' flies in the face of his very "teachings" - and he didn't want the label as a teacher either - but sure he took it in the holistic sense of those terms.

    • @armandoalemdar534
      @armandoalemdar534 4 роки тому +2

      Do we know who the other participants are?

    • @KFoundation
      @KFoundation  4 роки тому +24

      @@armandoalemdar534 J. Krishnamurti, David Bohm, John Hidley, Rupert Sheldrake

    • @thenewmoon2339
      @thenewmoon2339 4 роки тому +15

      J.K is not religious. He is a great thinker and a philosopher

    • @ParadoxapocalypSatan
      @ParadoxapocalypSatan 4 роки тому +3

      There are only so many ways to describe things. A philosopher unlike any other maybe?

    • @leoharsh24
      @leoharsh24 4 роки тому +6

      you can't label something you don't know. jk is like that. he denies every identity you put. you can't see the ultimate seer.

  • @philome4811
    @philome4811 3 роки тому +13

    It's astonishing how he dismantles arguments that looks solid as rock.

    • @TheRiboka
      @TheRiboka 3 роки тому +1

      And he's trying his hardest not to dismantle anything, I feel like. Just asking people to open up to a new possibility

  • @edu.monstrik
    @edu.monstrik 2 роки тому +7

    What a punch line my dear JKr gave us!
    Incredible energy during this whole conversation. Thanks for uploading it!

  • @ashrafulhaque8759
    @ashrafulhaque8759 10 місяців тому +2

    I am coming back to this great roundtable conversation among these beautiful beings for the 2nd time. Like any other JK's talk, it is comprise of many different layers and tracks. Each time you catch something that was missed the previous time. Wonderful!

  • @suvarnadeshpande8007
    @suvarnadeshpande8007 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for this prompt. After so many years, the question is still relevant. We need more of such discussions which leads to self inquiry, and finally if I am smart to do so, freedom .

  • @deepaklalwani4604
    @deepaklalwani4604 3 роки тому +3

    I have been watching this discussion for more than once believe me we are so heavily conditioned that thought starts playing as soon as the video is over, but seriously what a wonderful discussion, a lot to learn, to observe without evaluating is knowing self.

  • @FMGRealtyGroup
    @FMGRealtyGroup 2 роки тому +11

    The security is already inside the individual therefore we don’t need to find it . We must feel it within ourselves . If we feel it we will be able to get an order in our lives (this is my conclusion after watching this excellent video) when we have order we can help others to have it too 😊sorry for my English grammar 😌

  • @yogeshkatare8899
    @yogeshkatare8899 2 роки тому +1

    How grateful I am to Krishnamurti, I can not even begin to describe. I remember even now, how I felt when I read JK for the first time.... goosebumps and OMG!

  • @mfb3042
    @mfb3042 3 роки тому

    Thank you Krishnamurti. You always share the loving source of it all. Humans are so in the mind.

  • @trentp151
    @trentp151 3 роки тому +74

    A 38 year old discussion which is still relevant today...
    Sure seems like time is circular, not linear.

    • @joeh858
      @joeh858 3 роки тому +3

      Time as a concept is a result of ego

    • @arth_chart5280
      @arth_chart5280 3 роки тому +3

      Yes it's relevant today, actually it's timeless it will remain relevant even after 100000 years because this is the "truth".

    • @ricardochavez5305
      @ricardochavez5305 3 роки тому

      There is NO time , there Times

    • @aek12
      @aek12 2 роки тому +3

      “Everything you've learned in school as "obvious" becomes less and less obvious as you begin to study the universe. For example, there are no solids in the universe. There's not even a suggestion of a solid. There are no absolute continuums. There are no surfaces. There are no straight lines.” bucky fuller.

    • @DarkForceUbz
      @DarkForceUbz 2 роки тому

      @@joeh858 Maybe it's just our own brain and habits that categorize knowledge for easy storage. Measuring units, religions, color, ethnicities. I read about this a lil while back and it's very well said. We categorize stuff to store the knowledge for easier access, and time seems to fit in such category.
      @Aek That's a whole other hour+ worth of conversation. I left school at 17, not sure if due to influence of the knowledge I gained, my personality/genes or a bit of both. But always looked at school, society and most groups in general as sheep. I know it sounds kinda arrogant, but I'm an open minded kid.
      My simple view of today: Education is like an industry, never teaching you how to lead or find your way, but instead follow others. You spend how many years the government thinks you need to work in order to get 'retired', only for most of us to get there without cash, with body and/or mind all fuked up, and without having enjoyed shxt. You get the conditions you feel like are sufficient to reproduce, just like animals, without even realizing it (income, home (habitat) and what most see as stability: a job), with the number of offspring depending on income and ambience (countries, imo), but that doesn't mean you're living as supposed or could.

  • @patbyc1977
    @patbyc1977 3 роки тому +25

    Wow amazing J. It is so beautiful, 55:42 - look at this mans face as he starts to understand at some point . Love, peace man

    • @girishsharma1229
      @girishsharma1229 3 роки тому +1

      I could weigh your curiosity and feel that you were immersed ❤️❤️🙏🙏 like me🙏❤️❤️

    • @therealbraindawg
      @therealbraindawg 3 роки тому +2

      You're interpreting.

    • @starlitshadows
      @starlitshadows 3 роки тому

      He may have shook him up a bit. Lol

  • @claumonas
    @claumonas 3 роки тому +8

    This is a real debate. It helps us to think with no hurry, with honest dedication. Thank you very much for sharing!
    Este es un verdadero debate. Nos ayuda a pensar sin prisas, poniendo una dedicación verdaderamente honesta. ¡Muchas gracias por compartir!

  • @sum1G
    @sum1G 3 роки тому +5

    I first heard of Krishnamurti through Bruce Lee. Bruce being a philosopher, he understood the individual is more important than any martial arts style. Great conversation. Going to part 2 now.

  • @mj.shahhoseini
    @mj.shahhoseini 3 роки тому +3

    This is absolutely amazing, I found great respect for Krishnamurti after this.

  • @silvia7554
    @silvia7554 6 років тому +30

    Thanks so much for your extraordinary work , it's so important !

  • @ajieRajaneesh
    @ajieRajaneesh 4 роки тому +4

    I love the way he give space to questionnaire .. he is also concerned from their side simultaneously with his answers..

  • @7096westley
    @7096westley 3 роки тому +18

    The true root of psychology disorder is the 'I' thought. Identification with the thoughts that arise is the root of suffering. 🙏🏼

  • @nitinjadhav-wj4zv
    @nitinjadhav-wj4zv 2 роки тому +12

    Simply Awesome, To Record the whole conversation, preserving and later uploading on the UA-cam platform for the whole Human Species is an Act in itself, Many Thanks for That.
    Gratitude to All the Speakers is Beyond The Mind, All in their Best possible way of communication with the barriers of language sitting together to Lift the Whole Human Psyche to Higher Plane of Understanding....

  • @SkateIslam
    @SkateIslam 2 роки тому +7

    I like what JK is saying about how we are society, we are the world. We create society, we create conditioning. If we want to change the world we just have to change ourselves. I've recently been thinking if I can change my attitude I can change the world. Everything starts out as an idea before it becomes a thing. Think about anything you can see in the world, it all started as an idea. If we start with this idea that we can be free of problems, it's the only way to start a world in which that is possible. Once an idea enters our consciousness it becomes a possibility. This is why people think they manifest things, because it's the natural process of becomming.

  • @good_king2024
    @good_king2024 3 роки тому +1

    Amazing person J Krishnamurthi.
    Wish I had come to know about you much earlier in my life.

  • @jambrasileira2759
    @jambrasileira2759 3 роки тому +3

    Essa entrevista é patrimônio do mundo !

  • @regvedi3697
    @regvedi3697 Рік тому +3

    This talks made me listen and also think , i wish I was sitting in the corner and listening to them in real life and just feel the air inside that room .😊

  • @Hemmo7
    @Hemmo7 3 роки тому +15

    Amazing. Simply amazing. This is what makes me and apparently dozens of other people think beyond our cultural and social barriers!
    P.S. Krishnamurti's body language reminds me of Master Yoda! The way he turns and gestures and gives his attention!

  • @joseramonrodriguezgarcia207
    @joseramonrodriguezgarcia207 3 роки тому +3

    Thanks for this video. It’s a mine of gold. Un abrazo desde España

  • @dominiquetorres9027
    @dominiquetorres9027 3 роки тому +1

    Thank You, love and kindness both do matter too!!

  • @thorrex
    @thorrex 3 роки тому +53

    It is reassuring to see here that even when the scientists/psychologists exchange sceptical glances because of something that Krishnamurti said, they maintain mutual respect and return with a differently probing question, rather than giving way to indignation and so polluting the sanctity of the dialogue. I also found it refreshing that through a group effort, the dialogue is kept from straying away from the very essence of enquiry into a discussion of religious and social dogmas, which would've benefited no one.

    • @subrataroy1129
      @subrataroy1129 2 роки тому +1

      People of this generation should listen this man more to understand the dishonest baba's who are lecturing stupid stuff all over.

    • @Suprat0555
      @Suprat0555 2 роки тому

      Godd observation. I hate when people talk over each other during conversation in Indian Tvs.

  • @JayJay-mh7zy
    @JayJay-mh7zy 3 роки тому +8

    Amazing talk; a true eye opener on how one should actually live through the ups and downs... wonder why this is not practiced by Psychologists these days?

  • @dannymohess6817
    @dannymohess6817 3 роки тому +3

    Absolutely appreciate this discussion.

  • @arianasahiti1846
    @arianasahiti1846 4 роки тому +50

    This entire cosmos is such an ironic, sarcastic, lovely joke.
    If we wouldn't listen to those teachers and just notice one simple fact that night and day are inseparable, we would just enjoy the whole show.
    But no sir, we want the day and the sun forever.
    Well, I want this and that but the night keeps coming, and last time I've checked, I could never stop it from happening.
    JK is a blessing to those who have ears to listen.

    • @satpurush2592
      @satpurush2592 4 роки тому +2

      Come on.. Joke? It's a play, a divine play, wherein One plays many! Don't subscribe to the play of many and the joke will be on you!

    • @lionheart2663
      @lionheart2663 3 роки тому +1

      it's still not clear how can an individual explore and figure out without any help from a specialist. I have heard few of Krishnamurthy's talks. He has stressed upon the fact that an individual need not require a guru or a teacher. even if we consider individualism a theoretical , relative concept , it still does not provide sufficient emphasis on how the self indulgence can explore reality. There is a purpose as to why I am myself and not you (vice versa). if there was no individualism there would have been no purpose of the theoretical self.

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 3 роки тому

      Yes, and both day and night have their own beauty and place.
      Both light and shadow make up the whole.

  • @Do_Anything_you_want
    @Do_Anything_you_want 2 роки тому +6

    These types of discussions these days are nowhere to be found.
    I'm sure that global media can learn alot from this video about debate & discussion.

  • @friedrichkustaa9489
    @friedrichkustaa9489 3 роки тому +7

    The old man in the blue shirt is really deeply philosophical and insightful. He nicely continues to ask provocative but insightful questions. This is great to watch.

  • @prashant4435
    @prashant4435 3 роки тому +1

    Unmatchable discussion. Beyond words. 🙏

  • @adiiyer
    @adiiyer 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you for reminding us - it is fine to let the other side finish their sentence in a debate. This is a gem regardless of one's belief or point of view.

  • @pavelsaenz59
    @pavelsaenz59 5 років тому +5

    Amazing discussion, thanks for sharing so deeply.

  • @anand.sivapragasam
    @anand.sivapragasam 6 років тому +3

    an amazing editing ending the conversation as individual cannot have security on its own. it's collective society idea/dogma defines security. so its necessary to disregard the society.

  • @majorsathya
    @majorsathya 2 роки тому

    Just loved the flow of the discussion and the way JK moves the dialogue..

  • @ks21285
    @ks21285 3 роки тому

    very useful discourse, thank you for posting

  • @artsroom8826
    @artsroom8826 4 роки тому +52

    I have started to prefer dialogues of K rather than monologues. These dialogues have a deeper level of enquiry. This might be because the others are deeply interested in it.

    • @adamlane8751
      @adamlane8751 3 роки тому +4

      I agree completely. Krishnamurti & David Bohm's dialogues have always been my favorites. Bohm would agree with you too. He even developed a philosophy of dialogue known as Bohmian Dialogue.
      It's about hearing everyone's perspective as valid and that agreement is not necessary or even conducive to understanding. Different viewpoints are essential for a deeper understanding of reality.

    • @Paroissien
      @Paroissien 3 роки тому +1

      Either way if wisdom lies in any narrative, what good is it to the deaf and blind poet and the millions who live like him?

    • @eberviquezleon4110
      @eberviquezleon4110 3 роки тому +2

      @@adamlane8751 The time every person takes part in the discussion should have been considered in his Bohmian Dialogue. I admire K but not his interruptions, or making monologues in the middle of a collective "discussion".

    • @williamkoscielniak820
      @williamkoscielniak820 3 роки тому +1

      I've realized that I prefer dialogues to monologues in general. My thoughts are more profound and pregnant with idea's when I am dialoging with someone than when I am alone. I think this is the case for humanity in general. Others give us perspectives that open up mental doorways that wouldn't be opened up without them.

  • @sagarkumar-mq8ys
    @sagarkumar-mq8ys 4 роки тому +52

    If someone asks me, have you ever benefited by UA-cam , I will have one more example (although not a lot) to tell. Thank you J. Krishnamurti - Official Channel ..... :)

    • @JonasAnandaKristiansson
      @JonasAnandaKristiansson 4 роки тому

      yes

    • @quemaravilha
      @quemaravilha 3 роки тому

      Same here

    • @aniljaiswal2090
      @aniljaiswal2090 3 роки тому

      If the vedio is old it must be good It doesn't matter what the topic is whether it be history or psychological or history or anything If that vedio is old or described by Some Of the most intelligent people it'll be worth watching
      And I'm so grateful that I have UA-cam to go to past ❤️🔥❤️

    • @ajaybisht334
      @ajaybisht334 3 роки тому

      Yes me too feal dt

  • @silent_passenger
    @silent_passenger 3 роки тому +1

    This discussion is so deep! Thanks for this video!

  • @Johannes_Brahms65
    @Johannes_Brahms65 3 роки тому +13

    The funny thing with K is always that he has no patience what so ever while he is patient all the time! He is commitment incarnate (if you ask me).

  • @ashrafulhaque8759
    @ashrafulhaque8759 2 роки тому +3

    Such a great and clear mind! A true master!

  • @m1n911
    @m1n911 3 роки тому +9

    That's amazing to see a conversation without domination👌

  • @aura-kx2rz
    @aura-kx2rz 3 роки тому +3

    Krishnamurti asks the deepest questions about the human experience. After each question I need to pause the video and let the question sink first before I can move on.

  • @andyjs4629
    @andyjs4629 3 роки тому +7

    When you realize that your being is completely inseparable from everything else....you are reflecting the light in all shapes and forms....

  • @OneSupreme08
    @OneSupreme08 3 роки тому +18

    I bow down to Jiddu for such tremendous patience and compassion for those frozen structures around :)

    • @DarkForceUbz
      @DarkForceUbz 2 роки тому +5

      He was an observer, while most of the others were specialized in a certain area. They're not frozen, they're just letting the knowledge sink in and thinking about the topics before answering. Krishna had a peculiar way to argument. He asks questions that require deep thought or barely have answers, making others seem 'oblivious', but that isn't what's happening, specially in this case, where they're all professionals and love knowledge.. None here present in the comments would be able to do better in a argument/debate with such a type of mind and questions.

    • @Jeet00978
      @Jeet00978 Рік тому

      @@DarkForceUbz why are you explaining to her? Let him find out by own 😂 now im talking like jj 😑

    • @GaidKhambGaming
      @GaidKhambGaming 8 місяців тому

      ​@@DarkForceUbzthey were all frozen except Bohm. Bohm is really a seeker, he was the man of real enquiry.

  • @konshowtsering9365
    @konshowtsering9365 2 роки тому +4

    "No individual can ever have security because he is in himself divisive"

  • @yogeshvr7457
    @yogeshvr7457 6 місяців тому +1

    Jk Sir English is so simple and mature so everyone from different countries can understand

  • @saurabhmhase4458
    @saurabhmhase4458 4 роки тому +2

    The ending statement before the curtain closes was dope. Something that sums it all.

  • @devonseamoor
    @devonseamoor 3 роки тому +8

    I'm so enjoying this conversation, I return to it every time, with about 5 years in between. When I heard Rupert Sheldrake talk about religious leaders, those who believe and teach that there's a possibility to move beyond the suffering human condition, (hopefully due to personal experience), it came to mind, that the presentation of an even higher placed "churchfather" namely God himself, has helped the lower positioned human churchfathers to be free of responsibility in a sense, let off the hook, because it was preached that God knew best, and that God was the ultimate redeemer. In this hierarchy, many branches grew on that tree of religions, causing human beings to live in fear for God's all seeing eyes.
    The duality in consciousness, judging right and wrong, has compromised the efforts of the early religious leaders, perhaps, if they were compassionate.
    And since it's a human condition to want to be praised, and found to be kind, just like the Bible orders, the churchfathers, and the ministers, vicars, priests, you name it, found a way out of judging members of the congregation on personal grounds, and pass judgement indirectly, by referring to God as the one who's got the final word. Isn't this the fate of religious institutes on planet Earth, where we all think in terms of right and wrong? It's a loop, a trap, a hopeless affair.
    I'm the oldest daughter of a Calvinistic minister in Holland. I've seen this myself.

  • @coogee126
    @coogee126 3 роки тому +12

    " individual can never have that security. Cause he is in himself divisive "....what a marvellous statement....very profound discussion...thks for sharing this amazingvideo. I have read few books by him...i understand some of what he is saying verbally...but i dont know how to "look" or how to "lose" the self....he wouldn't or cant tell us as he said words can only go so far.. ..all i can do is keep trying keep feel it the best i can.....

    • @aniljaiswal2090
      @aniljaiswal2090 3 роки тому

      Can you please describe the statement. ? 🙏

    • @Mokamusiclab
      @Mokamusiclab 2 роки тому

      Like he said "I don't know is the beginning". Enquiry is the key.

    • @Mokamusiclab
      @Mokamusiclab 2 роки тому

      "Keep trying" is also part of a process. But only the self is processing. Therefore there is no process.

    • @Mokamusiclab
      @Mokamusiclab 2 роки тому

      So when you say "all I can do is keep trying" is keeping you closer from the self.

  • @cheri238
    @cheri238 Рік тому

    Our this discussion between all these men with Krishnamurti. ❤️

  • @tarunbanala7633
    @tarunbanala7633 4 роки тому +2

    Though all of the discussion is a gem itself, the best shining part of the discussion @40:00 where he asks us to eliminate all the confusion of Belief and non-belief and try to find the answer of a particular tradition by a clear mind and with respect to every aspect of life.

  • @asharanikamble6594
    @asharanikamble6594 2 роки тому +5

    He is God,,😊😊I never spend my day without listening to his videos 😊

  • @depp6151
    @depp6151 2 роки тому +11

    Jk is just questioning
    It's weird how it seems like he's answering everything

  • @kamaurahamukti5919
    @kamaurahamukti5919 2 роки тому

    mind blowing & brilliant 🙏🏽✨

  • @lemonjuice3551
    @lemonjuice3551 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you for the excellent subtitles - I couldn't understand the very last word which I think might have been the most important one in the whole video.

  • @glampreda3803
    @glampreda3803 4 роки тому +4

    Brilliant intellectual conversation. I could see the others trying to understand what was being said.

  • @jan-martinulvag1953
    @jan-martinulvag1953 4 роки тому +12

    They are going round in circles. I am an artist and suffering is the ground state of my ability to grow. I ask spirit for information and guidance and i am given pain in return and and as I learn my lessons the pain of that particular lesson goes away. Pain is my resistance to learning.

    • @souvikdas4833
      @souvikdas4833 3 роки тому +1

      May be I am wrong . What l learnt studing was..
      Budhya says.
      The root of suffering is "trisna" Or thrust or desires..
      Following the " Marga" ( way) takes you to " Nirvana" Or end of suffering.
      Although Hinduism explains suffering in a slightly different way.

    • @gonzothegreat1317
      @gonzothegreat1317 3 роки тому

      Pain and consciousness are two similar things.
      No consciousness = no pain.
      The more pain, the deeper you can develop your consciousness.
      You can become a habitual artist and refine your craft in such a way that it becomes automatic. All your moves will become routines. You become a machine Great art can be made thus.
      You can also become a machine that is broken. Great pain. There never will be routines. Everything you look at you will see as if you saw it for the first time. If you can grasp that in your art, great art can be made thus.
      Pain or no pain, it doesn't matter; when you're dead the pain will be gone.
      Spirit is illusion. All you have is the 'body', it is the substrate that makes up your world. It tells lies and illusions rise from it. Once you see through those lies, a great pain will fall upon you.

    • @Paroissien
      @Paroissien 3 роки тому

      You don't need to learn all the time (although you memorize all the time) so if, in an ocean of bliss, you suffer at junctures then, that pain that points to what needs to be immediately taken care of, is fine.
      Otherwise, constant pain, crying wolf, makes you lose your sense of priority and what to focus on.

  • @sunildave4304
    @sunildave4304 4 роки тому +3

    This is how a discussion or debate should be. So clear in thoughts, so much clarity from all speakers. However not sure Jiddu liked to be introduced as a religious philosopher...

  • @normamenzies1372
    @normamenzies1372 2 роки тому +1

    Great discussion! Well worth sharing to thinking people!

  • @hemantkhare5545
    @hemantkhare5545 3 роки тому +4

    Look at the grace on The face of Dr. Bohm, so tranquil. If anyone understood what K talked about, It was him.

  • @edilnovacostruzioni6212
    @edilnovacostruzioni6212 7 років тому +8

    jiddu krishnamurti Big Man big soul

  • @kamalhalder4106
    @kamalhalder4106 2 роки тому +1

    this video is the answer of all cause and effect of all disorder,all root of disorder,and how to vanish it.thanks JK sir.

  • @indrankistensamy3084
    @indrankistensamy3084 Рік тому

    Excellent discussion...it's helps if you have followed J.K. 's topics lots of it is summed up here... awareness of one's self without outside influences yet great love for all.

  • @JamesRavencroft
    @JamesRavencroft 4 роки тому +56

    “If you look for the self of a flower, you will see that it is empty.”
    But when Buddhists began worshiping the idea of emptiness, Gautama Buddha said:
    “It is worse if you get caught in the non-self of the flower than if you believe in the self of the flower.”

    • @mesmemo2373
      @mesmemo2373 4 роки тому +1

      care to elaborate on this bit more?

    • @moser3712
      @moser3712 4 роки тому +6

      Because when one mistakenly dwells in the idea of non self of flower he/she finds things like lack of accountability, and lack of other good qualities. As if it’s ok to slack down because self doesn’t exist na.

    • @Knifymoloko
      @Knifymoloko 4 роки тому +1

      @@moser3712 whoa makes sense and this was how I actually lived life for some moments. No love for the person(s) in that instance.

    • @carlacorsini7766
      @carlacorsini7766 4 роки тому

      We experience god/our true essence/this now moment through the self

    • @ciriacorocil5438
      @ciriacorocil5438 4 роки тому

      In nothingness be with it...
      Don't just agree just try it yourself and see...

  • @dyingsenses
    @dyingsenses 3 роки тому +3

    The problem is people think they cannot live without suffering. . . Choice is dead in most people.

  • @Universko
    @Universko 11 місяців тому +1

    One day i will come to this video. And say I have discovered something new in my myself which is beyond thought and space time

  • @Ss-no6pl
    @Ss-no6pl 2 роки тому +1

    It's a deep discussion, not a debate ,
    to reach answers, not to prove own points..that's the Beauty

  • @Patrx999
    @Patrx999 2 роки тому +5

    I like each of these bunch, but I had to laugh out so loud due to the invigorating, ego-blinding clarity of Krishnamurti's mental light that he shed on the conversation every now and then, grabbing the problems that occurred at their cores. Such a delight amongst the few truly serious conversations. Very much recommended. :) :) :)

  • @carolbrown1016
    @carolbrown1016 5 років тому +10

    Amazing Jk was and is the true world teacher,like he says the past and the future are contained in the now

    • @rajeshsaliyan7610
      @rajeshsaliyan7610 4 роки тому +1

      Nothing will change after watching this..it never help us to change or transform ourselves...

    • @ParadoxapocalypSatan
      @ParadoxapocalypSatan 4 роки тому

      @@rajeshsaliyan7610 We cannot sit back and wait for change. And we cannot change our self through effort. So K asks: Is there change when I really look at myself? Can I be aware without struggle?

  • @jameschesterton
    @jameschesterton 3 роки тому +1

    Fascinating to see three great minds completely stumped by Krishnamurti's enquiry. He asks the fundamental questions that we are uncomfortable contemplating, because we are, by and large, completely bound by our mental constructs.

    • @kezdotanulo9160
      @kezdotanulo9160 3 роки тому

      Great minds? Surprised because of lack of scientific thinking of K.

    • @JaeseongDaeseyoung-wu3gn
      @JaeseongDaeseyoung-wu3gn Рік тому

      ​@@kezdotanulo9160 No need for scientific thinking. You don't need scientific thinking to understand the problems in your life.

  • @cresenciohernandez8310
    @cresenciohernandez8310 3 роки тому +1

    Mr J speak threw spirit universal mind. As with science man speaks threw the subject the ego of the importance of singularity wow. Beautiful to watch listen and experience great minds agree i like that even tho his audience couldn't comprehend him he would slowly lead them to his conclusion and he let them fallow he is the sight leading into the absolute