@@Mirror371 They had already tried Once Upon a Time in Wonderland and it didnt deliver as well as OUAT, but a spin off for Oz or Neverland woulve been amazing!
+Daniella Robins In the ‘80s Disney did its own film called Return to Oz and the slippers in that film were also ruby, so OUAT could have used ruby slippers if they wanted to, but I’m glad they chose silver instead.
@@c.evans1804 Disney also had to pay a pretty penny in order to get the rights to use them. I doubt that this show, with its $10 green-screen budget, would have been able to fork over the money.
@@BY-cy8xu The Hunger Games books came out in 2008, from 2012 to 2015 the movies were released. It is possible that the producers/ costume department took inspiration from the Hunger Games for this older Dorothy's wardrobe/ style From 2011 to 2017 is how long Once Upon A Time was on for
that along with her killing Maid Marian are definitely the two worst things she's ever done - there's one thing that's near unforgivable and that can't be explained away that was done by every villain in this show, these two tie for Zelena's worst thing. I mean, she could've just let Marian live and found a way to watch Regina suffer seeing Robin Hood with his first love. But she had to take part in it instead of just watch it so she killed Marian and impersonated her. Guess that was on us though, Robin Hood and Maid Marian are meant to be together, as soon as Robin said he didn't feel the same way about Marian he felt before we should've known that something was wrong. And it shows how far she'd gone by that stage - she knew what it was like to want something desperately, just like the Scarecrow had wanted his brain desperately. And she ripped what he had wanted away.
I'm really excited for Dorothy's character. Can't wait to see what's coming for her next... AND OF COURSE I REALLY WANT TO KNOW HOW DID CRUELLA ENDED UP INTO THE ENCHANTED FOREST. I do really hope we will get an explonation of that...
so if dorothy is a storybook character, then when she goes home to “kansas” is it “land without magic kansas” or is it another realm of story with a place also called kansas? and is she just a normal human?
It's probably land without magic. Considering Baelfire used a portal to go to LWM yet met the Darlings implying some of these characters exist in our realm but are there taken to realms with loads of magic. Also LWM is an inaccurate term because clearly magic does exist in our realm in OUAT. It's just more rare than other places.
"one teeny, tiny but oh so crucial detail" that may put a stop to that - Hades is already married. To Persephone, Goddess of Spring and Queen of the Underworld. Hades loves Zelena, we all know that. But as he told Cora, he hates to loose anything. So no matter how much he loves Zelena, he'll never leave Persephone nor allow her to leave him - not that he could anyhow, she's bound to the underworld forever. I see it as a 'He loves Zelena, but he still wants Persephone' scenario, if only it being a case of him wanting her because she symbolises the upper world that he's cut off from in the full breathe of life. Also after I saw a deleted scene with King Arthur in the Underworld I thought maybe they could finds some peace together, rebuild the underworld into a better place together.
Why is it when I watch the original Wizard of Oz, I see Elphaba and Fiyero but when I watch OUAT my mind only sees Zelena and the Scarecrow (no crossover no nothing. I just can't see her as anyone else but Zelena)
Zelena is so brutal. Hate how she is being so downplayed in Season 6. She wouldn't even fight the evil queen. She was so badass shown here. Powerful and so powerful she caught the eye of the god of the underworld? I'm not saying they should've kept her evil and had to kill her, but Regina is still Regina, angry and not wimpy. We need more green Zelena too, and more of her fighting, for bad or good! Dorothy here was fun too, and the way it ended was pretty adorable. Probably the best episode of Season 5 (even though tbh besides the merida episodes or others in 5B underworld arc, it was by far the worst season).
@@TTUploads it's because clones cannot be hurt without special items and because if Queen got killed Regina would die, so Zelena or any magic user cannot hurt a clones like Queen and Dr. Hyde
Because Dorothy is prophecised to be a powerful witch, and she managed to temporarily knock out Zelena by having thrown water on her which melted Zelena.
@@akumayoxiruma Zelena was pretending to die when this pathetic character threw water on her. In addition, Dorothy is not a witch and from what we have seen of her she never seems to have become, therefore just the fact that the other witches of Oz allowed an ordinary girl to sit at the witches table and moreover in place of the new one witch of the west is a great insult not only for Zelena herself but also for the intelligence of us spectators (even if we got used to it every time the producers make fun of us). Then there is the story (which has never even been explored) that this Dorothy was always predestined as the great good that would have defeated the great evil of Oz (which Zelena thinks she is) is and will always be a big shit!
even though I loved this episode, but still I'm not happy about the fact that Oz storyline and Dorothy is so much underused in this show! I understand they need time but just look at the Spin Off in Wonderland! why can't be an Spin Off about realms which the show had no time to use?
Poor Scarecrow, that's awful! I feel bad for him and also confused... How can that kill him? He's only made of straw. He should survive being impaled, like Olaf.
Don't know why, but Dorothy's character is not very likeable. While Zelena is, ironically, much more relatable, even though her actions are a bit extra, making you want to root for her instead of Dorothy. Dorothy just comes of annoying with all this "I'm courageous"/fearless nonsense. 'Cause let's admit it, she doesn't stand a chance against Zelena. If they made her character more human, with fears, rather than this heroic to perfection figure, she would've been more likeable and relateable.
“What happened to you in Kansas?” I wonder if they sent her to a psychiatric ward because they thought she was crazy. Was that ever revealed? Been a while since I watched this.
But she planned the trip to the enchated forest so she could take the brain. Also, I think they they should have showed an episode where zelena makes teh trip to enchanted forest
The slippers are silver in the book. The ruby slippers were as a result of MGM not finding silver good enough color for the technicolor process and wanted it to pop. But also, those version of the slippers are copyrighted which explains why the musical Wicked had them silver.
@@toplaycool21 Yes that's true but there are a lot of parts that didn't follow the book. Since the precedent has been made in being red slippers now it must follow that
God, her makeup is awful. And who thought it was a good idea to give her red hair instead of black? The contrast of the red hair and green skin looks ridiculous.
I always loved how Zelena was like the Evil Queen of Oz… I wanted a spin-off set in Oz that shows Zelena’s rise to power and stuff
Once upon a time in Oz
@@Mirror371 They had already tried Once Upon a Time in Wonderland and it didnt deliver as well as OUAT, but a spin off for Oz or Neverland woulve been amazing!
Love how they followed the canon of the original book and made them Silver Slippers instead of Ruby Slippers
Legally they had to. The book is in the public domain, the movie is owned by WBs.
The only reason why the movie was ruby was because silver didn't look good on camera at the time
+Daniella Robins In the ‘80s Disney did its own film called Return to Oz and the slippers in that film were also ruby, so OUAT could have used ruby slippers if they wanted to, but I’m glad they chose silver instead.
@@c.evans1804 Disney also had to pay a pretty penny in order to get the rights to use them. I doubt that this show, with its $10 green-screen budget, would have been able to fork over the money.
Dorothy still had ruby with her, just in wolf form
Dorothy dresses like Katniss Everdeen
Well this show was made before Hunger Games so...
@@BY-cy8xu The Hunger Games books came out in 2008, from 2012 to 2015 the movies were released. It is possible that the producers/ costume department took inspiration from the Hunger Games for this older Dorothy's wardrobe/ style
From 2011 to 2017 is how long Once Upon A Time was on for
Dang how did I forget Zelena de-brained that dude. Brutal
I know. It was gross.
Yes but she used Rumple’s Brain instead...what happened with the scarecrow’s I bet he wasn’t smart enough for her
@@KoraggRules dorothy got it back I think
that along with her killing Maid Marian are definitely the two worst things she's ever done - there's one thing that's near unforgivable and that can't be explained away that was done by every villain in this show, these two tie for Zelena's worst thing. I mean, she could've just let Marian live and found a way to watch Regina suffer seeing Robin Hood with his first love. But she had to take part in it instead of just watch it so she killed Marian and impersonated her. Guess that was on us though, Robin Hood and Maid Marian are meant to be together, as soon as Robin said he didn't feel the same way about Marian he felt before we should've known that something was wrong.
And it shows how far she'd gone by that stage - she knew what it was like to want something desperately, just like the Scarecrow had wanted his brain desperately. And she ripped what he had wanted away.
Hades looked startled and afraid to when Zelena putted the brain of Scar crow that's why he disappeared.
Put and SCARECROW YOU DUMBASS BITCH
@@Julia.Taunton-Clark99 oh wow look at you, you can spell. Good for you.
@@Julia.Taunton-Clark99 wtf? how embarrassing lmao your comment proving that mommy and daddy didn’t give you enough love poor baby.
@@nobbeep8978 that seemed uncalled for
The Evil Queen Vs Snow White and The Wicked Witch Vs Dorothy. Like sister like sister
yes... zelena and regina are so alike...
and alice vs the queen of hearts and red queen
cora
The only difference is that Zelena won
@@RD-un2qkCora is not the Red Queen, Anastasia is
Alexis Togni
True
"Then my pretty.........you'll have nothing" LOVE BEX.
I'm really excited for Dorothy's character. Can't wait to see what's coming for her next...
AND OF COURSE I REALLY WANT TO KNOW HOW DID CRUELLA ENDED UP INTO THE ENCHANTED FOREST. I do really hope we will get an explonation of that...
I think Jefferson the mad hatter got her to help rumpel with his hat
Yeah that's a good point and you're not going to mention help Dorothy's a Adult
Umm...is no one talking about how Zelena was thwarted by a literal DOG AND A CURTAIN???
plot armor... zelena could've easily popped them both
I think that the magic she used to remove the brain is the same magic villains use to rip out hearts
I like this Dorothy! Can we keep her?
Poor little thing, this so sad. I almost cried. She killed him, putting his brain as a ingredient for a terrible spell.
Time travel spell! I miss that plan 🙌
so if dorothy is a storybook character, then when she goes home to “kansas” is it “land without magic kansas” or is it another realm of story with a place also called kansas? and is she just a normal human?
It's probably land without magic. Considering Baelfire used a portal to go to LWM yet met the Darlings implying some of these characters exist in our realm but are there taken to realms with loads of magic.
Also LWM is an inaccurate term because clearly magic does exist in our realm in OUAT. It's just more rare than other places.
She is not just know her older sister and oldest sister dorothy sister Steven thorel
love this show
Zelena didn’t need a redemption arch. She was an awesome villain. Her and Hades should have found Wicked True Love together.
If Regina - who was a mass murderer got redemption, then I think Zelena - who committed far less evil, deserved one too don’t ya think?
"one teeny, tiny but oh so crucial detail" that may put a stop to that - Hades is already married. To Persephone, Goddess of Spring and Queen of the Underworld.
Hades loves Zelena, we all know that. But as he told Cora, he hates to loose anything. So no matter how much he loves Zelena, he'll never leave Persephone nor allow her to leave him - not that he could anyhow, she's bound to the underworld forever. I see it as a 'He loves Zelena, but he still wants Persephone' scenario, if only it being a case of him wanting her because she symbolises the upper world that he's cut off from in the full breathe of life. Also after I saw a deleted scene with King Arthur in the Underworld I thought maybe they could finds some peace together, rebuild the underworld into a better place together.
SCARECROW NOOOOO!!!! best damn character in the wizard of Oz and they kill him of after barely two scenes, the injustice of it all 😞
Yeah but he wasn’t the Farmhand Hunk, so personally idk.
Why is it when I watch the original Wizard of Oz, I see Elphaba and Fiyero but when I watch OUAT my mind only sees Zelena and the Scarecrow (no crossover no nothing. I just can't see her as anyone else but Zelena)
Same 😭✋
We need a once Upon a time in oz
I shipped it #zades
Zelena is so brutal. Hate how she is being so downplayed in Season 6. She wouldn't even fight the evil queen. She was so badass shown here. Powerful and so powerful she caught the eye of the god of the underworld? I'm not saying they should've kept her evil and had to kill her, but Regina is still Regina, angry and not wimpy. We need more green Zelena too, and more of her fighting, for bad or good! Dorothy here was fun too, and the way it ended was pretty adorable. Probably the best episode of Season 5 (even though tbh besides the merida episodes or others in 5B underworld arc, it was by far the worst season).
OneAndOnlySound I beg to differ. I'd say season 4A was BY FAR THE WORST SEASON thus far.
The Evil Queen was stated to be stronger than Regina. Furthermore, Zelena isn’t as strong without her pendant. That’s why the Evil Queen won.
@@TTUploads it's because clones cannot be hurt without special items and because if Queen got killed Regina would die, so Zelena or any magic user cannot hurt a clones like Queen and Dr. Hyde
She wanted to change I suppose. Not so much that she couldn't fight the evil queen, she didn't want to. I'm guessing anyhow.
Dorothy's so brave fighting Zelena and Zelena's actress is amazing she play's both sides perfectly
Why is Zelena afraid of this woman?
Because Dorothy is prophecised to be a powerful witch, and she managed to temporarily knock out Zelena by having thrown water on her which melted Zelena.
@@akumayoxiruma Zelena was pretending to die when this pathetic character threw water on her. In addition, Dorothy is not a witch and from what we have seen of her she never seems to have become, therefore just the fact that the other witches of Oz allowed an ordinary girl to sit at the witches table and moreover in place of the new one witch of the west is a great insult not only for Zelena herself but also for the intelligence of us spectators (even if we got used to it every time the producers make fun of us). Then there is the story (which has never even been explored) that this Dorothy was always predestined as the great good that would have defeated the great evil of Oz (which Zelena thinks she is) is and will always be a big shit!
even though I loved this episode, but still I'm not happy about the fact that Oz storyline and Dorothy is so much underused in this show! I understand they need time but just look at the Spin Off in Wonderland! why can't be an Spin Off about realms which the show had no time to use?
Why couldn't there be a Once Upon a Time in Oz lol
Wicked Witch And The West
Scarecrow
Dorothy
0:48 Those slippers.. the design changed since their last appearance in Season 3!
I love her so much! Even the god of death is afraid of her!
That just shows how powerful she is lol
Once Upon A Time Wizard Of Oz
Poor Scarecrow, that's awful!
I feel bad for him and also confused...
How can that kill him?
He's only made of straw.
He should survive being impaled,
like Olaf.
I feel bad for that poor gaurd, lol
i would like to see more pulled out of brains in the serie
Truth is (Wicked): The scarecrow married the witch and the witch servives lol
Yes!
Love of the People. Vs A Fireball.
Hmmmm🤔
My money's on the fireball.
Don't know why, but Dorothy's character is not very likeable. While Zelena is, ironically, much more relatable, even though her actions are a bit extra, making you want to root for her instead of Dorothy. Dorothy just comes of annoying with all this "I'm courageous"/fearless nonsense. 'Cause let's admit it, she doesn't stand a chance against Zelena.
If they made her character more human, with fears, rather than this heroic to perfection figure, she would've been more likeable and relateable.
So out of everyone,zelena can rip brains out?, I'm still processing this but i kinda like the little detail
This is the oz sequel i want
so when zelena returns to there magic world will she still look green now that she's not jealous of her half sister
Poor scarecrow 🥺
We never did find out what happened to Dorothy.
She got her Happy ending with Ruby
rip scarecrow
I love zelena so much
“What happened to you in Kansas?”
I wonder if they sent her to a psychiatric ward because they thought she was crazy. Was that ever revealed? Been a while since I watched this.
1:44 I guess they didn't keep an eye out for Zelener
Tin man/Glitch a.k.a Ambrose flashbacks
I love her bog I wish I had a bog bo ta
well bitch, im back
I shipped it #Hades
How is the love of the people a powerful weapon. Does she mean having allies to help her?
Did Dorothy got labeled crazy or worse got outted in Kansas or something?
Labeled crazy, she spoke of oz and almost got committed but Auntie Em made sure she stayed free.
1:23 Why Zelena flames are green?
But still she.needed rumpels brain. Why ? if she had the scarecrow
The Scarecrow's brain was in left in Oz when she went to the Enchanted Forest and the Realm with no magic.
But she planned the trip to the enchated forest so she could take the brain. Also, I think they they should have showed an episode where zelena makes teh trip to enchanted forest
Ugh, gross... Heroes always have to be so.. heroic... sappy stuff
you kill scarecrow you bastard witch!!!! -_- i never forgive you
Wait was this an episode ?
Zelena is better than Dorothy 😊
Wizard of Oz for the LGBT community.
The slippers are suppose to be red not silver.
Their silver in the original book about Oz, it was changed for the movie to red and it stuck.
@@infinityoverlord606 You are correct. I just researched the original by L. Frank Baum which states what you said.
The slippers are silver in the book. The ruby slippers were as a result of MGM not finding silver good enough color for the technicolor process and wanted it to pop. But also, those version of the slippers are copyrighted which explains why the musical Wicked had them silver.
@@toplaycool21 Yes that's true but there are a lot of parts that didn't follow the book. Since the precedent has been made in being red slippers now it must follow that
God, her makeup is awful. And who thought it was a good idea to give her red hair instead of black? The contrast of the red hair and green skin looks ridiculous.
Ikr! I prefer broadways Wickeds Makup✋