@@starlite8348 The Tin Man seeks a heart. The Scarecrow seeks a brain. Remember? At the end of the day they got everything they needed from the Wizard anyways.
***** Exactly. It was really mean of her and Zelena was right to be upset after that. They only wanted to control her and putting all her power in that jewel was one way to ensure they have a chance of defeating her in case she's no longer one of them.
kellybundy1000 Technically it was a double-edged sword. Why precisely that pendant gave the possibility of defeat Zelena, but it increased further her already immense powers. In fact, she has also said that it was necessary to defeat her before to take it away. And anyway Zelena hasn't never kept grudge to Glinda for not telling her immediately this detail. She has accepted the pendant for what it was, a sincere gift that came from the heart. In fact we have also seen that even Glinda and the other witches of Oz have the same pendant. So there was really no trick.
***** It may have been no trick but she should've told her all the pendant does before putting it around her neck. It's like signing a contract without reading what you're signing. If it's important it has to be explained and she had to know what she was agreeing to. Naturally Zelena was way too happy to be part of their sisterhood or whatever to even think about the downsides of the pendant and she only saw the good things and what she wanted. I'm not particularly mad about this pendant story, I just don't like Glinda here and I am more inclined to find faults in her for such things. Either ways, Zelena was better off without joining them, I think. She desperately wanted a family, to be loved and accepted so she thought that was the way but it wasn't. And helped the others defeat her in the end. She lost her power.
So true. I would've liked to have seen Oz reestablished and thriving again the witches back and dorothy and ruby and whatnot were there too. Instead we got...Jacinda, and no chemistry knock-off Alice. You wrote what should've been the plot in two sentences.
OneAndOnlySound actually I liked The new Alice. I never cared much for the ruby and Dorothy storyline, but to each their own. What I would’ve had happen Is a slower reveal of each of the eight witches in the coven, and after the scene where Alice turns Gothal into a tree Instead of the wish realm storyline, I would’ve had it revealed that Gothal’s spell unleashed Chernabog (needless to say I wouldn’t have introduced him in season four). Anyway to defeat Chernabog we would need the Oz coven, but assembled differently. Glenda would symbolize wisdom, Regina this time symbolizing love, And in a twist it is revealed Zelena was never meant to take the seat of innocence, the seat was destined for Alice, and Zelena was meant for the seat of courage (Having possessed the courage to change). Their combined power would return rumple’s dagger back into the holy Grail (Ending the dark one curse), And Henry having the heart of the truest believer drinks from the cup to acquire the power necessary to kill Chernabog. The epilogue would reveal that the realm without magic (Which ones rejected Gothal and the rest of her kind) now started to see magic resurgent. As such the coven of Oz led the world into a golden age everyone got their happy ending And right before it fades to credits on the screen it writes in cursive, and they all the happily ever after.
I wish they would have explored more of Oz and Zelenas relationship to the other witches! But that sounds to be more of a spin-off series but I would love to see her and the other witches again.
+Jansci7G thats true they dont focus on anyone else like glinda anastasia cora they should make a once opon a time in oz and make zelenas daughter the main character heres how you know how zelena had her baby early because of emmas dark magic welll maybe she grows up fast like really fast and she has tons of powers like zelena and she has to defeat the witch mombi the greatest threat to oz who killed glindas dad, and when she does kill mombi shell fulfil the prophecy a powerful sorceress who will free oz of the greatest evil what do you think
Probably every Oncers' feelings about Zelena: Season 3: I do NOT like this witch. Season 4: HOW DARE SHE HAVE ROBINS CHILD!! SHE HAS NO SOUL! Season 5: I get you Zelena, I get you. 😭😞😦
Emily Cano To be honest, I always liked Zelena. Like I always liked Regina, even from the beginning. Yeah, when she tricked Robin and became pregnant, I didn't approve, but still I liked her. Both Regina and Zelena only wanted to be loved. This is one instance where I wholeheartedly agree with the phrase "It's all the mother's fault." Cora's the real reason her daughters became Evil and Wicked. Got a bit off topic. I liked Zelena.
I never liked her character. I love Rebecca Mader, she's an incredible actress and she made Zelena really complex and evil (sorry, wicked) but I'll never forgive her for what she did to Rumple in season 3b and for killing Neal. Also she turned good too fast! I mean, she's being a villan for all season 3B and season 4B. Even for some part of season 5. She deserved more time for change. That's just my opinion, don't hate.
“Together our abilities are far more powerful than they could ever be on our own” This ties into season 7 how Gothel used the powers of the other witches in her coven to make her seem more powerful.
Have anyone noticed that Zelena's ingredients resemble the same nature of Light Magic which the sisterhood of Oz does? - Wisdom > Witch of the North > Rumple's brain - Courage > Witch of the East > Charming's sword - Love > Witch of the South (Glinda) > Regina's heart - Innocence > Zelena herself > Snow's baby It's clear she learned how to travel in time because she's the Witch of the West... And according to Glinda, these four points together could make miracles. Indeed.
+1089aef could it be that they use this spell to destroy the darkness forever glinda did say together they can create miracles and break the laws of magic they probably areee
Now unlike Blue Fairy, Zelena is in fact responsible for her actions. This said: the other witches DID seem VERY QUICK to change their mind when they thought Dorothy and not Zelena was part of the foretelling from the Book of Records. It was careless of them and like Blue Fairy lead to a lot more harm than good. LUCKILY Zelena got her shit together.... at the end of the series.
Actually yes. The final ingredients of Zelena's spell combine all four of what the witches represent, wisdom- Rumplestiltskin's brain, courage- the sword, love- Regina's heart, and innocence- the baby. It's possible that if all the witches combined their power, they could've done.
***** No. Even without that pendant the powers of Zelena were higher than those of Regina. Rumpelstiltskin himself had judged this during her training. He judged her the most powerful witch who has ever known. And remember that she knew how to use her powers since she was a newborn, and that with them she has been able to move a very large tree trunk. So even without that pendant, she possesses special powers higher than the average of any witch. But if with it she has reached the level of Rumpelstiltskin we don't know. After all, we haven't never seen their two fighting in a duel of magic.
jose lopez But Regina never became as powerful as Zelena. After all, we remember that when Regina was evil, she still needed minions for cause problems to the realm. Zelena instead did everything herself (although she has had the flying monkeys, but those created them with magic, were not loyal soldiers).
+Oscar Emond well Selena does no more magic then Regina but Regina has white magic and white magic is more powerful that's why Regina beat her but if Selena turned good she could be Rumpelstiltskin in one second
Glinda literally tricked Zelena into recieving that necklace and that it now holds all of her magic powers and without it she is powerless. ...Um excuse me? Can i get a Warning first?
exactly. I was too satisfied when Zelena banished her to Enchanted Forest. That's what Glind deserved. If she told her all details from beginning, be honest with her, Zelena would never be overacted, she could try to understand and accept the situation. Similar to Ingrid, all Zelena wanted to be loved and accepted who she is, not being manipulative & used.
So...what happened to the original which of the west? And where in the world did the other witches go after Glinda's banishment and Zelena traveling to StoryBrooke?
This would have been better had the Good witches story been that she once harbored evil in her heart but she chose to try and be a better person say it was hard, every step of the way she stumbled a lot, but poerhaps tell Zelena that she is not as far gone as she was that Zelena can be good...and they will be there to help her
+Dylan Sevin The other 3 witches represented those characters, Wisdom (the Scarecrow's brain), Love (the Tin Man's heart) and Courage (obvious). And Dorothy's role was basically given to Zelena (yes I know we actually had Dorothy on the show)
All she had to do was be kind and supportive to Dorothy. Be the person she wanted to find, the person who would give the love, compassion and guidance she wanted from a family. Rise above the envy she felt. But she didn't. Maybe she couldn't. Maybe she wasn't ready to. A sad tale of a missed chance either way.
@@beccagregory3586 If you take the movie and this as one and the same, the East being her sister doesnt mean biological sister. the four witches call each other sister and she could have turned the East Witch evil at some point, either through magical brainwashing or simple manipulation before Dorothy's house turns her into a witch pancake. Also one of the four witches is probably dead, Im assuming some sort of power struggle with Zelena being the victor as they would outnumber Glenda 2 to 1, before then since there is only Glenda and Zelena left.
Think if she knew what Regina's life was like she'd have envied her? Strange when you think about it. Zelena's adoptive mother loved her (the impression I got) but her adoptive father refused to see her as anything but 'wicked'. Regina's actual mother only ever saw her as a means to get what she wanted but her father loved her. Zelena really should be envying Regina over her father - since her own was a louse and when you think about it is basically responsible for half of the suffering in this show or at least nearly half the villain arcs in this show.
Zelena 2nd happy ending of 6 she rejected cause it wasn't Regina's to steal. She was given sisters by her side. Land to rule. People to protect and later dorathy who she should of related to and mentor. Dorothy was innocent which means she fall under Zelena area to protect and mentor. Instead she got paranoid of being replaced and Instead of preparing for the great evil (possibly a wiched witch of the east from another oz) she became the great evil she believed she was.
Wait in that scene when snow and thebqueen see the flying monkey one of the dwarfs says is the wicked witch from the east or west. Does this mean the witch if the east is also wicked
Technically he judged solely by the movie of the 1939, whereas said for kill a witch you have to throw her a home, while the other you have to wet her with the water. And we know very well that Zelena can not die simply bathing.
Wait... So . Regina has magic because she was born after cora learned how to use magic, then how zelena can? It was before, when cora was still just a miller's daughter
My bet is on Glinda. It was her fault for not telling Zelena all details. If she told her everything, Zelena would never overact, maybe she could try to understand and slowly accept. All Zelena wanted is to be loved and accepted who she is. Dont ever try to manipulate her.
Love - the Tinman
Courage - the Lion
Wisdom - the Scarcrow
Innocence - Dorothy
agenttheater5 *Scarecrow
and the funny thing is the tin man has no heart and the scarecrow has no brain
BINGO!!!! @ agenttheater. Seems like they each have their own guiding witch.
@@starlite8348 The Tin Man seeks a heart. The Scarecrow seeks a brain. Remember? At the end of the day they got everything they needed from the Wizard anyways.
@@zoefang4563 or already had them - depending on the telling of the story
Glinda didn't tell her about the pendant until she put it on Zelena's neck! That's kinda cheating, Glinda!
***** Thanks!
Me too think she would have to tell her before to put it.
***** Exactly. It was really mean of her and Zelena was right to be upset after that. They only wanted to control her and putting all her power in that jewel was one way to ensure they have a chance of defeating her in case she's no longer one of them.
kellybundy1000 Technically it was a double-edged sword. Why precisely that pendant gave the possibility of defeat Zelena, but it increased further her already immense powers. In fact, she has also said that it was necessary to defeat her before to take it away. And anyway Zelena hasn't never kept grudge to Glinda for not telling her immediately this detail. She has accepted the pendant for what it was, a sincere gift that came from the heart. In fact we have also seen that even Glinda and the other witches of Oz have the same pendant. So there was really no trick.
***** It may have been no trick but she should've told her all the pendant does before putting it around her neck. It's like signing a contract without reading what you're signing. If it's important it has to be explained and she had to know what she was agreeing to.
Naturally Zelena was way too happy to be part of their sisterhood or whatever to even think about the downsides of the pendant and she only saw the good things and what she wanted.
I'm not particularly mad about this pendant story, I just don't like Glinda here and I am more inclined to find faults in her for such things.
Either ways, Zelena was better off without joining them, I think. She desperately wanted a family, to be loved and accepted so she thought that was the way but it wasn't. And helped the others defeat her in the end. She lost her power.
I wish In the final season Zelena had reestablished this coven from OZ. Would’ve been a good counter force against the coven of the eight.
So true. I would've liked to have seen Oz reestablished and thriving again the witches back and dorothy and ruby and whatnot were there too. Instead we got...Jacinda, and no chemistry knock-off Alice. You wrote what should've been the plot in two sentences.
OneAndOnlySound actually I liked The new Alice. I never cared much for the ruby and Dorothy storyline, but to each their own. What I would’ve had happen Is a slower reveal of each of the eight witches in the coven, and after the scene where Alice turns Gothal into a tree Instead of the wish realm storyline, I would’ve had it revealed that Gothal’s spell unleashed Chernabog (needless to say I wouldn’t have introduced him in season four). Anyway to defeat Chernabog we would need the Oz coven, but assembled differently. Glenda would symbolize wisdom, Regina this time symbolizing love, And in a twist it is revealed Zelena was never meant to take the seat of innocence, the seat was destined for Alice, and Zelena was meant for the seat of courage (Having possessed the courage to change). Their combined power would return rumple’s dagger back into the holy Grail (Ending the dark one curse), And Henry having the heart of the truest believer drinks from the cup to acquire the power necessary to kill Chernabog. The epilogue would reveal that the realm without magic (Which ones rejected Gothal and the rest of her kind) now started to see magic resurgent. As such the coven of Oz led the world into a golden age everyone got their happy ending And right before it fades to credits on the screen it writes in cursive, and they all the happily ever after.
antmagor wow that's good
@@antmagor i legit want to see that in fan fic form. That ending is so satisfying
I would’ve loved to see Glinda return ugh
I can´t believe the Snow Queen didn´t think about going to Oz for her sisterhood before
I wish they would have explored more of Oz and Zelenas relationship to the other witches! But that sounds to be more of a spin-off series but I would love to see her and the other witches again.
+Kajsa Svensson Unfortunately, the show seems to be legally bound to have to focus on the Charming's and nobody else.
+Jansci7G thats true they dont focus on anyone else like glinda anastasia cora they should make a once opon a time in oz and make zelenas daughter the main character heres how you know how zelena had her baby early because of emmas dark magic welll maybe she grows up fast like really fast and she has tons of powers like zelena and she has to defeat the witch mombi the greatest threat to oz who killed glindas dad, and when she does kill mombi shell fulfil the prophecy a powerful sorceress who will free oz of the greatest evil what do you think
+Kajsa Svensson Yeah I thought they should of branched the show off into Oz like they did with Wonderland.
Once Upon a Time in Wonderland was SO boring to me… they should made Once Upon a Time in Oz :((
we can all imagine Zelena eventually reconnecting with the other witches and working together again.
Probably every Oncers' feelings about Zelena:
Season 3: I do NOT like this witch.
Season 4: HOW DARE SHE HAVE ROBINS CHILD!! SHE HAS NO SOUL!
Season 5: I get you Zelena, I get you. 😭😞😦
Emily Cano please I love zelena from the first time she make her entrance on once upon a time and still do good are bad she my favorite 💚💚💚💚💚👏👏👏👏
Emily Cano To be honest, I always liked Zelena. Like I always liked Regina, even from the beginning. Yeah, when she tricked Robin and became pregnant, I didn't approve, but still I liked her. Both Regina and Zelena only wanted to be loved. This is one instance where I wholeheartedly agree with the phrase "It's all the mother's fault." Cora's the real reason her daughters became Evil and Wicked. Got a bit off topic. I liked Zelena.
Soooooooo true
I never liked her character.
I love Rebecca Mader, she's an incredible actress and she made Zelena really complex and evil (sorry, wicked) but I'll never forgive her for what she did to Rumple in season 3b and for killing Neal.
Also she turned good too fast!
I mean, she's being a villan for all season 3B and season 4B.
Even for some part of season 5.
She deserved more time for change.
That's just my opinion, don't hate.
Nope. I loved her from the start
Glinda is the most two-faced character I've ever seen on this show!
“Together our abilities are far more powerful than they could ever be on our own” This ties into season 7 how Gothel used the powers of the other witches in her coven to make her seem more powerful.
Have anyone noticed that Zelena's ingredients resemble the same nature of Light Magic which the sisterhood of Oz does?
- Wisdom > Witch of the North > Rumple's brain
- Courage > Witch of the East > Charming's sword
- Love > Witch of the South (Glinda) > Regina's heart
- Innocence > Zelena herself > Snow's baby
It's clear she learned how to travel in time because she's the Witch of the West... And according to Glinda, these four points together could make miracles.
Indeed.
wow great analysis i didn't connect the dots before!
Alex Nguyen I did, it was pretty obvious in my opinion.
+1089aef could it be that they use this spell to destroy the darkness forever glinda did say together they can create miracles and break the laws of magic they probably areee
Yes its the mist powerful spell in the world
Wow I'm just realizing
Now unlike Blue Fairy, Zelena is in fact responsible for her actions. This said: the other witches DID seem VERY QUICK to change their mind when they thought Dorothy and not Zelena was part of the foretelling from the Book of Records. It was careless of them and like Blue Fairy lead to a lot more harm than good. LUCKILY Zelena got her shit together.... at the end of the series.
Does anyone realize that what the witches stand for are the exact ingredients zelana needs to cast her time travel spell!! ✨
I think Zelena represents innocence. She was an abandoned power baby, who grew up with an abusive foster father. Evil/wicked isn’t born, is made…
Wait a minute Glinda never said no to Zelena time travel question, SO MAYBE THEY CAN TRAVEL BACK IN TIME
Actually yes. The final ingredients of Zelena's spell combine all four of what the witches represent, wisdom- Rumplestiltskin's brain, courage- the sword, love- Regina's heart, and innocence- the baby. It's possible that if all the witches combined their power, they could've done.
where the hell where these witches when the good witch of the south was banished
Maybe they got banished to other places....
Zelena also banished them
In season 6 they mention an “evil” or “wicked” (I don’t remember exactly) witch of the north. Perhaps she turned dark after Zelena took over (?)
Mombi
Mombi is the true wicked witch of the north in oz
I really wish they had delved more into Oz's lore.
I would've loved to see Zelena being good!
Zelena: Queen of Blowing A Good Thing.
Also, really kind of want more from Glinda.
i was thinking zelena is very powerful and the pendant greatly magnifies her power could she be more powerful than rumplestilskin
***** No. Even without that pendant the powers of Zelena were higher than those of Regina. Rumpelstiltskin himself had judged this during her training. He judged her the most powerful witch who has ever known. And remember that she knew how to use her powers since she was a newborn, and that with them she has been able to move a very large tree trunk. So even without that pendant, she possesses special powers higher than the average of any witch. But if with it she has reached the level of Rumpelstiltskin we don't know. After all, we haven't never seen their two fighting in a duel of magic.
+lpallad1 but Regina's magic have increased ever since then and don't forget that in season for Zelena doesn't have any powers and Regina does
jose lopez But Regina never became as powerful as Zelena. After all, we remember that when Regina was evil, she still needed minions for cause problems to the realm. Zelena instead did everything herself (although she has had the flying monkeys, but those created them with magic, were not loyal soldiers).
I was talking about the present dearie and in that present regina is more powerfull
+Oscar Emond well Selena does no more magic then Regina but Regina has white magic and white magic is more powerful that's why Regina beat her but if Selena turned good she could be Rumpelstiltskin in one second
Um, shouldn’t she have told Zelena about the catch BEFORE putting the pendant on? She never willingly accepted the price.
Why did the witch who represented wisdom ask Glinda to reveal Zelenas future? That's the least wise thing one could do...
Glinda literally tricked Zelena into recieving that necklace and that it now holds all of her magic powers and without it she is powerless. ...Um excuse me? Can i get a Warning first?
Zelena wouldn't be the Wicked Witch if Glinda took care of her properly. I can see that Glinda is somewhat manipulative
exactly. I was too satisfied when Zelena banished her to Enchanted Forest. That's what Glind deserved. If she told her all details from beginning, be honest with her, Zelena would never be overacted, she could try to understand and accept the situation. Similar to Ingrid, all Zelena wanted to be loved and accepted who she is, not being manipulative & used.
I feel like the Blue Fairy was pretty bad too. Maybe that's just me
So...what happened to the original which of the west? And where in the world did the other witches go after Glinda's banishment and Zelena traveling to StoryBrooke?
1:18
Her facial expression OMG Glinda got pissed off by the witch of the north HAHAHA
This would have been better had the Good witches story been that she once harbored evil in her heart but she chose to try and be a better person say it was hard, every step of the way she stumbled a lot, but poerhaps tell Zelena that she is not as far gone as she was that Zelena can be good...and they will be there to help her
That pendant is a trap.
She had a chance....
They need to bring in the Scarecrow,Tin Man,and Cowardly Lion.Plus bring back Dorothy
+Dylan Sevin The other 3 witches represented those characters, Wisdom (the Scarecrow's brain), Love (the Tin Man's heart) and Courage (obvious). And Dorothy's role was basically given to Zelena (yes I know we actually had Dorothy on the show)
This is one of Zelena’s good moments.
They seriously have to bring back glinda to season 5
I don't think they will
They most likely will since we are traveling back to oz in season 5b and are gonna see adult Dorothy and Zelena fight for oz
+Starrz are Dreamz yeii glinda
I love her shes my favorite combination a bitch in disguise
Anyone notice the one witch is queen Tiana from the last season of ouat
They’re not the same actress. The one interpreting the witch is called Karen Holness, and Tiana is Mekia Cox
Zelena have the chance to become good and waste it 😭
"Now...a warning....". "NOW a warning???" (Death Becomes Her)
I wish we would've found out whether or not Glinda and Zelena became friends again and if she freed her from her prison
Glinda and Zelena are both witches so they know what magic can do if the misuse it
and the three witches imparted a portion of their power into the Triforce.........
All she had to do was be kind and supportive to Dorothy. Be the person she wanted to find, the person who would give the love, compassion and guidance she wanted from a family. Rise above the envy she felt. But she didn't. Maybe she couldn't. Maybe she wasn't ready to.
A sad tale of a missed chance either way.
My favorite words of Zelena like powerful and sisters Revenge
shouldn't she befriend the witch of the east? just a thought :)
Waste of potential and opportunity, that's what the motto seems to scream out for Once Upon A Time.
Myriam G this is a more interesting show.
Usually the witch of the east is her sister and then Dorthy accidentally drops her house on her
@@beccagregory3586 If you take the movie and this as one and the same, the East being her sister doesnt mean biological sister. the four witches call each other sister and she could have turned the East Witch evil at some point, either through magical brainwashing or simple manipulation before Dorothy's house turns her into a witch pancake. Also one of the four witches is probably dead, Im assuming some sort of power struggle with Zelena being the victor as they would outnumber Glenda 2 to 1, before then since there is only Glenda and Zelena left.
That would’ve been a waaay more interesting plot than the black fairy or the trip to the underworld. Too bad they didn’t read your comment 😪
Glinda is hot
Think if she knew what Regina's life was like she'd have envied her?
Strange when you think about it. Zelena's adoptive mother loved her (the impression I got) but her adoptive father refused to see her as anything but 'wicked'. Regina's actual mother only ever saw her as a means to get what she wanted but her father loved her.
Zelena really should be envying Regina over her father - since her own was a louse and when you think about it is basically responsible for half of the suffering in this show or at least nearly half the villain arcs in this show.
Then she make the pendant turn evil too waaa
Zelena 2nd happy ending of 6 she rejected cause it wasn't Regina's to steal.
She was given sisters by her side. Land to rule. People to protect and later dorathy who she should of related to and mentor. Dorothy was innocent which means she fall under Zelena area to protect and mentor.
Instead she got paranoid of being replaced and Instead of preparing for the great evil (possibly a wiched witch of the east from another oz) she became the great evil she believed she was.
The last sister was Dorothy and not Zelena..
Isn't that the same actress who played Tiana later in season 7?
The Wicked Witch Of The West She Have 3 Sisters
what the hell happened to them, the south and east i mean?!
Zelena probably got rid of them after glinda.
I wonder if Regina is going to take the seat?
She doesn't live in Oz..
she doesn't live in oz and plus she had alrdy sacome too evil
Wait in that scene when snow and thebqueen see the flying monkey one of the dwarfs says is the wicked witch from the east or west. Does this mean the witch if the east is also wicked
Technically he judged solely by the movie of the 1939, whereas said for kill a witch you have to throw her a home, while the other you have to wet her with the water. And we know very well that Zelena can not die simply bathing.
The south witch, isn't she tiana in season 7?
Wow.
Does anyone realize the black witch at the table she is in season 7. She plays Tiana/ sabene lol... Comment
It's not her, you are wrong
3:34 does extremely red lipstick come with envy?
Maybe her green skin just made her lips pop
color theory
zelenas actually beautiful
Wait... So .
Regina has magic because she was born after cora learned how to use magic, then how zelena can? It was before, when cora was still just a miller's daughter
Could be some people are born with it and others need to learn it. Zelena was natural talent compared to Cora and Regina learnt talent.
The extras (Witches of the North and East) are god awful.
The scarecrow was in season 5
Is who is the bad guy here zelina or Glenda. Not Glenda set her up to fail and be the bad guy?
My bet is on Glinda. It was her fault for not telling Zelena all details. If she told her everything, Zelena would never overact, maybe she could try to understand and slowly accept. All Zelena wanted is to be loved and accepted who she is. Dont ever try to manipulate her.
Dorothy all the way!
Damn remember when Zelena was the main villain
tj
Romance girl.