Machining a Morse Taper using a Lathe Compound Sine Bar
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- Опубліковано 29 лис 2022
- Gday, This video I make a new MT3 arbor for the tailstock die holder which I made originally as a MT2, this is a job ive been wanting to do for some time now, this job was made easy by using the Lathe Compound Sine Bar from Tangent Engineering, before I have used 2 dial indicators and trig to set the compound angle, using the compound sine bar is a much quicker setup and it was accurate, I hope you enjoy the video and if you would like to know more about the sine bars please contact Jim via Email at jimenos@acushnettool.com
Thanks for watching, Cheers Matty - Навчання та стиль
Nice information on the new tool Matty and excellent demonstration on how to use it. It is quite fitting that you would receive that sine bar tool because you will make good use of it and you've made it helpful to others. Thanks for the video.
Gday Jim, the sine bar works a treat, I can see many different uses as well to do with the milling machine, I like tools that just work, thanks for watching mate, cheers
Looks like a very handy addition to the tool drawer!
Thanks for sharing 🇨🇦
Gday Paul, definitely an asset to have, it one of them tools that will get used more then you think, thanks for watching mate, cheers
Hi Matty You have done another excellent job this time using the Sine Bar. I was Impressed how the two mating surfaces while testing locked with hardly any pressure. Again well done
Gday Ted, the taper turned out spot on, it didn’t take much to get the sleeve to hold the taper at all, thanks for watching mate, cheers
Hi Matty. Sine bar set up looked so easy, a great little tool. Good review showing it in action.
Gday, I’m not a fan of “unboxing review” videos so I do it in a different format, prove it works and works well, thanks for watching mate, cheers
Top job Marty, better than a bought one. I reckon we all are gonna be looking at them sine blocks. Thanks for the video. 👍🇦🇺
Gday Mark, I think there’s quite a few people looking into the sine bar now, thanks for watching mate, cheers
He makes this look so easy, a real pro
Hey Matty
Heard of sine bars, but never really looked into them until watching your video. Now I want one!
Cheers mate! 🇨🇦
Thank you for teaching. Nice machining,well done!
Gday Roberto, thanks very much for watching and commenting mate, cheers
Nice new tool. . amazing on how the right tool makes the job right, easier and more efficient. .That is great.
Gday Paul, using the sine bar made setting the compound a pleasure , no more stuffing around, Thanks for watching, Cheers
Love it... Very smart. Anything that saves me 45 min of aggravation from fiddling around with the lathe adjustment is goodness. Take my money
Gday, definitely a big time saver, I’ve always used the 2 dial indicator method but the sine bar way is another story, only a fraction of the time and more accurate in my opinion, lots more uses then just the compound as well, certainly a tool worth buying mate, thanks for watching, cheers
Thanks Matty great machining and great review.
Gday Harold, thanks for watching and commenting mate, cheers
That is an impressive bit of kit, Im impressed. like you Ive made an MT2 using dial indicators and it took a while to get right. I recently got an MT2 reamer set from China and I was mighty impressed with how well that worked. The roughing reamer took more pressure than I expected but boy did it cut when it got going. So nice to have the right tools. Mind you need a set of gauge blocks too, there's always something :)
Gday, Im really impressed how well this tool works, its a simply tool but it saves a lot of stuffing around, the import reamer set I have are surprisingly good, cheap but good, Thanks for watching, Cheers
That's a lovely surface finish.
Gday, thanks mate, appreciate you watching and commenting, cheers
Nice job Marty, worked out well.
Thanks very much Randy, appreciate you watching and commenting mate, Cheers
Great job on the arbor! That sine bar is slick, I hope he posts something on his website about it, I would be interested in something like that. Make up a couple "shims" for the common tapers you want to cut and you would be good, until you get gage blocks. Thanks for sharing!!
Gday Craig, I don’t think Jim has a website, I haven’t found one anyway, you can contact Jim via email at jimenos@acushnettool.com
Thanks for watching mate, cheers
Wow that sine bar is the ticket I will be looking for one soon thank you for the video
Gday Ralph, it really makes life easy thats for sure, Thanks for watching, Cheers
That seems to be a very nice piece of equipment. All it needs now is an easy way to hold the gauge blocks in place while installing.
Gday Rustinox, I have found with the magnets being so strong once you have you stack of whatever you're using the sine bar will hold everything in place, Thanks for watching, Cheers
That's a handy tool for sure matty, excellent job, great video, keep'um coming..
Thanks very much mate, Appreciate you watching, Cheers
Hello Matty,
Nice review with a practical demonstration... Good stuff...
Take care.
Paul,,
Gday Paul, using the sine bar to set the taper angle was a lot easier then the 2 indicator method, thanks for watching and commenting mate, cheers
Very nice Matty.
Nice work.
The lathe compound sine bar is a great idea.
Worked great.
Good video.
Take care, Ed.
Gday Ed, it certainly makes setting up time a lot quicker and easier, thanks for watching mate, cheers
good video matty..thanks for your time
Thanks mate, appreciate you watching as always, cheers
Wow, when you get gauge blocks, that made a hard job easy, I'm very impressed. Cheers
Gday, it really is so much easier to set the right angle, thanks for watching mate, cheers
Another great tool from Jim! Mine is "in transit to destination".
Gday, It really is a great tool to have and i'm sure you'll like yours, Thanks for watching, Cheers
Matty great job.
REALY HAPPY FOR YOU , GREAT MACHINING.
Thanks Kimber, appreciate you watching mate, cheers
Not sure how I missed this until this morning, but what a great tool to have in the shop. I will be going in a few to Jim's site. Great to hear in the next video that Jim is getting a lot of interest and orders. Bear
Gday Bear, Jim doesn't have a web site but you can contact him via email, jimenos@acushnettool.com Jim makes the quill wheels as well, Thanks for watching mate, Cheers
I want one 😫 guess I'll put it on my Christmas list. Thanks for sharing 👍
Gday Craig, I think there’s many that want one now, thanks for watching mate, cheers
That sine bar is a sweet piece of equipment. I have not had a job to try out mine yet.
Gday Tom, definitely a great tool to have and easy to use, thanks for watching mate, cheers
Wow, now that was slick
Gday John, definitely a slick tool mate, thanks for watching, cheers
Hay Matty that looks like a great must have tool for the shop. I bought a set of gage blocks used this summer Didn't know if I really would use them, but found that I use them all the time. Great result on the taper. Cheers
Gday, Thats what happens, you put off buying a new tool because you think ill never use it then you find you never stop using it, I can see this happening with a gauge block set here, Thanks for watching, Cheers
great job Matty, i also manage without gauge blocks, where there's a will there's a way👍👍
cheers
Kev
Gday Kev, there's been a quite a few times now ive needed a set of gauge blocks to make the job a bit easier but we always find away around, Thanks for watching mate, Cheers
What a fantastic device
Gday Craig, certainly makes a difference in setup time mate? Thanks for watching, cheers
Hi Matty. Turned out really well. Problem with gauge blocks is , once you have a set you'll then want a set of gauge pins. Never ending wish list i guess.
Regards.
Steve.
G'day Matty, looking good there buddy, I see these new fangled Sine gizmos are doing the rounds like a dose of deli belly 😀 outstanding 👌
Gday Ralfy, these a bloody fantastic gizmos, Setup is heaps quicker and easier, thanks for watching, cheers
Ive put off making morse taper stuff because of the hassle. I want one of those now. Great demo.
Gday Nigel, this sine bar makes it so much easier to do tapers, Thanks for watching, Cheers
@@MattysWorkshop Ive contacted Jim for prices to UK.
very nice tool Jim makes. also, you did good job on the tool you made.
Gday Doug, Jim’s does make good tooling, the finish on the sine bar is spot on and it certainly made making the Morse taper a lot easier, thanks for watching and commenting mate, Cheers
Looks like a handy gadget.
Certainly is Jeff, thanks for watching, cheers
Nice job Matty 🍻
Thanks very much Geoff, Cheers
Hi Matty, good work on the taper. Good to see the sine bar method was fast and accurate. I also don't have gauged blocks and I have had to improvise in the shop. The cheap set (probably Chinese) is $700. Starret gauge blocks are $1,700. I think it will be a while before I get some.
Gday, the gauge block sets are outa my price range as well but hopefully I’ll find a secondhand set somewhere, thanks for watching mate, cheers
I would have to go back to my receipt, but I bought my set a B-Joe blocks from Amazon (Shars brands) for $135, but thats been 2 yrs back. Good set for the money :)>
That's a nice bit of kit Matty 👍👍👍 Definitely faster to set up than your old method, although saying that the old way got the job done. Cheers, Alan.
Gday Alan, definitely quicker with the sine bar, the old method worked well and I got plenty of great results, the only problem I had with the old method was you need a good quality indicators, I did use a cheap one and found the bit of play in the shaft can give you a false reading, thanks for watching mate, cheers
Thank you for sharing. Very nice.👍👀
Gday, thanks for watching and commenting, cheers
Hi Matty, pretty impressive how you matched the taper, yep you need gauge blocks, I bought a cheap MM set, good enough for what I do.
Gday Willem, defiantly need a set of gauge blocks, there been many times i've need a set, Thanks for watching, Cheers
Nice tool Matty. I'm wondering if you could turn up some buttons from brass to match the gauge block thickness you would need for the most common tapers like 2 and 3 Morse and 30, 45 and 60 degrees. You'd be able to get the thicknesses to within a tenth or so. It might save you having to buy a whole set of blocks in the short term.
Gday Preso, I’ll definitely be making the common size shims to use for the time being, gauge blocks aren’t cheap so there on the wait list, thanks for watching mate, cheers
I need to make one of these tailstock die holders. Still on the list of things to make.
Gday, the die holder is a handy thing and doesn’t take long to build, thanks for watching mate, cheers
always wondered how those things worked, they certainly look to be a useful bit of kit. I'll have to see who makes metric ones.
Gday Jack, thanks for watching and commenting, Cheers
Sine bar for the compound slide, such a simple idea. Why didn't somebody (including me) think of that before? I'm going to have to look into getting one. Nice video Matty!
I turned a 2MT arbor on a project earlier this week on my little homemade lathe, could have done with one of those, it took me ages to set up another arbor in the chuck and tram the compound to that 😏. Nice work once again Matty 👍
Gday, I normally use 2 indicators measuring over a set distance, this is so much quicker thats for sure and accurate, Thanks for watching, Cheers
@@MattysWorkshop I've watched you do that, I just run one up along the side of an arbor, limited room, it's only a small machine👍
well done Matty.....best wishes from the States, Paul.....
Thnaks Paul, Have a great Christmas mate, Cheers
@@MattysWorkshop Thank you so much.....I m ready to make some Morse tapers Now....My father worked for Morse in New Bedford , Massachusetts back in the 1930's before going in army and traveling to Australia, New Guinea and the Philippines during WWII.....he always spoke fondly of his time in Townsville and Brisbane.....
I know you were VERY happy with the fit and finish on the unit. You must have run your fingers over the glass finish 20 time in your video. It is always nice when someone like yourself appreciated a good idea and a beautiful product.
Gday Adam, the finish is absolutely beautiful, I couldn’t help myself mate, thanks for watching, cheers
Good job
Thanks very much, cheers
Excellent tool, nice job on the taper Matty.
Hope you can add some gauge blocks or "Joey's" to your kit?
Big time saver.
Thanks for sharing 👍.
Regards John
Gday John, Im hoping I can find a decent secondhand set, much cheaper then new, Thanks for watching mate, Cheer
Looking good.
Thanks very much, Cheers
Nice job Matty.
I have often thought that making a dedicated block for some jobs shouldn't be too hard.Machine a block of brass or steel in the mill and measure as carefully as your tooling allows.It could then be lapped to get the final microns off, if you can measure them.
While you wouldn't try to make a set of blocks a single one fit for purpose is just another bit of careful work in the shed.
Gday Micheal, definitely easy to make a dedicated block, I think this is the way ill go for now, Thanks for watching, Cheers
Nice one Matt. I wonder if you were to drill and ream near one of your lock bolts for a close fitting pin, so next time you need a 3 MT it would be simple matter of putting a pin in a hole? Just thinking out loud here!
Hey Matty, nice bit of kit that is. As for Gage Blocks, keep an eye out for a good used set on fleabay and the like.
Gday Graham, I've been watching Ebay and Gumtree for a while now but no luck, there'll be a set pop up sometime, Thanks for watching, Cheers
Thanks for your video Matty. I will check out that product from Jim. I found his email address in other comments. Their web page is not easy to find as others company’s keep coming up in the search. But emailing him direct will be good. You make it all look very simple. Cheers
Gday John, definitely better off emailing Jim, appreciate you watching, Cheers
@@MattysWorkshop , I emailed and got a prompt reply. Thanks heaps
Nice tool Matty !
You can get another type of gauge block (called a space block )that screws together and because they don’t have to be lapped to make the wring together they are much cheaper - Aussee have them for under $100 a set but they are out of stock at the moment . They also have cheap sets of gauge blocks . I wouldn’t waste my money on something Iike Mitutoyo or Starrett as I don’t need that sort of quality in my back yard workshop . Currently I am using a set of these screw together blocks or an adjustable parallel and feeler gauges which is perfectly adequate for my needs .
Might have to make one of the those sine tools !
Gday Ian, i'll check the space block out for sure, definitely won't be buy a starrett set, need to be a millionaire for that, Thanks for watching, Cheers
Good job with the sine plate. If you have a surface grinder it would be easy to mill and grind a few common size blocks from steel. Lap the last few tenths off on the surface plate with 1000 grit wet or dry and keep them oiled in a box.
Gday, a surface grinder is on the wish list but won’t be anytime soon sadly, thanks for watching, cheers
Good video worked out perfectly! As far as a gauge block you could machine a dedicated gauge block for different tapers since you have the constant of a sign bar, just a thought
Gday Bill, there's been quite a few times ive needed gauge block, ill definitely be getting a set but making a dedicated block is a great idea which I might do, Thanks for watching, Cheers
You could also just make rings to fit on the posts of the sign bar with the appropriate outer diameter for whatever angle you are shooting for. You can bore or ream the ID and turn the OD to any perfection you need!
@@berndheiden7630 Brilliant idea mate, Cheers
Well done Matty. After you showed it and others I am sold. I tried to email Jim a couple if times have not heard back. Anybody else have luck ordering one lately?
Gday, Im sure Jim will get back to you, I think theres been a lot of people emailing him after the video, Thanks for watching, Cheers
This looks like it is just the tool I need. I have an albrecht drill chuck that I purchased without knowing it had galled on the Jacobs taper it was installed on. This ought to allow me to true it up without having to buy anspecific reamer.
Does Tangent Engineering have a website so I could see what other products they make?
Gday, you can contact Jim via email jimenos@acushnettool.com Jim also sells the quill wheels for various milling machines, thanks for watching, cheers
Nice review….curious were you hand feeding the compound or with a drill adapter?
Gday Chuck, I used a battery drill to drive the compound, its the only way I can a consistant finish, Thanks for watching, Cheers
Nicely done, do you use a hand drill or something to turn the compound. The taper finish came out quite good.
Gday, Yes mate I use a battery drill, I can't turn the compound smooth enough to get the nice consistence finish, Thanks for watching, Cheers
Until someone invents a rotary dro for a lathe compound, I can't think of a more accurate way to cut a taper. The sine bar may actually be more accurate anyway. Thanks for the video!
Gday Mike, you can buy an electronic encoder for the rotary table, they are quite a good item and accurate, my theory is that the sine bar can be used for multiple applications like setups on the milling machine, setting the shaper table on angles and so on, thanks for watching mate, Cheers
I would make a set of buttons to fit 1 sine pin and will give wall thickness for any gauge dimension for any taper if that works
Gday, that’s a good idea, especially for common angles like 45°c, thanks for watching, cheers
@@MattysWorkshop Hey Matty, this is my good mate Peter Pilbeam. He helped me at Harvester College and is full of useful ideas. Cheers, Aaron
By milling the tang 1st before machining the taper you don't have the trouble of trying to secure unparallel work and with so much overhang for Arbor clearance and increased chatter/vibration on the cutting so just milling flats 1st in a vice is easier while barstock is parallel.
You can just clock up the tapered edge on an Morse tapered sleeve in between centres to find the correct angle setting for cross slide/compound slide(parallel). Cheers
Gday, I should have machined the tang first, I did get order of operations wrong there, setting the compound by using a sleeve is not as quick, by the time you recut the taper in the chuck and make sure the tailstock is aligned to the spindle 100% the sine bar will be quicker, thanks for watching, cheers
Hi Matty, It was the firs time for me that i saw this syne bar: i made morse MT2 and MT3 by putting a dial on a real MT morse and copying the angle, i think that this more faster then the old method!! Can i ask you the code of your tool insert?😀 It gives fantastic surface finish! 💪 Thanks Mate, a great video!! Alberto
Gray Alberto, Setting the compound with the sine bar was so much more easier then using the old technic of 2 indicators over a set distance, the triangular insert I used on the arbor was a TNGG, these one are made by Union Materials, there work very similar to HSS, you can take very light cuts and get a beautiful finish every time, I buy mine from LiveTolls here in Australia, Thanks for watching mate, Cheers
@@MattysWorkshop Thanks Matty! I will go to search the TNGG 😁
If you haven't got a gauge block of the correct size, one fairly accurate way to space a sinebar is to use a wedge. Find a piece of stock about the right size and mill a slight taper over its length. Use your micrometer to find the spot of the correct dimension mark that and use that spot under the sinebar .
Beware that most machine tapers are spec'd to four decimal places so accuracy is essential.
Gday Bill, thanks for the advice, I’ll remember this one mate, cheers
what about adjustable paralells
@@ronalddavis Gday Ronald, I do own adjustable parallels and I honestly didn’t give them a thought, they will work well for larger angles, cheers
@@MattysWorkshop yeah the smallest adj paralells go down to maybe 3/8 in or so? could make some though if you hane a surface grinder and VERY small screws
Just machine set spacers for the known tapers you will use . The cheap block sets are no worries for shop use , the high end brands are way to expensive . 👍
Gday Max, I think ill go for the dedicated block idea, I can't believe how expensive gauge block sets get, Thanks for watching, Cheers
Mattie, you jammy Bastard! Getting the angle almost dead right on second knock of the compound! Lol that sine bar is a nifty bit of kit. The finish, whatever it is looks fucking superb. I bet they are a good few shekels though! All in all mate a good result ( although you could have gone out and bought a dedicated 2-3 morse sleve lol
On the subject of slip gauges mate. Look on ebay. I got myself a complete set bar one slip, for I think it was £60 GBP so they're not a great deal of money, mine are British made Matrix and not cheap China crap and I doubt you'd get imperial ones anyway, assuming you want good old bannanas as Kurt's calls them lol cheers from the UK Sam
Gday, I was just a shocked as you getting it almost spot on 2nd tap, thats never normally the case thats for sure, im going to have to start searching Ebay a lot more in find a set, im not that keen on a super cheap import set, Thanks for watching, Cheers
Hi mate how good is that sign bar well done mate good video
Gday Trevor, your on the ball again this week with the first comment, well done mate and thanks for watching, Cheers
You probably should of been cranking the top slide when indicating. As that's would move when cutting the taper? Interesting video good job
Gday, thanks for watching and commenting, cheers
If you draw a picture of the top slide and sine bar at each end of top slide travel, you'll see that this doesn't work.
Great video. How do I get in touch with Jim at Tangent Engineering ?
Goat Stefan, Jims email is jimenos@acushnettool.com Thanks for watching, Cheers
@@MattysWorkshop Thank you.
Hi Matty, hope you're well! That Sine Bar, you're going to be forever wiping finger prints off the bloody thing, far too shiny ;-)
Gday Mark, I like a bit of bling in the workshop so it fit in nicely, Thanks for watching, Cheers
Nice gift- it will end up costing you a couple months of missed lunches to buy gauge block set
Gday, Gauge block sets aren’t cheap but hopefully I can pick a secondhand set someday soon, thanks for watching, cheers
👍👍😎👍👍
Thanks for watching mate, cheers
guess you could call Sutton the Aussie gauge pins ahaha
I’d be surprised if that worked mate…
Gonzo!
Who’s Gonzo
Now that is slick. I can't seem to find a web site for Tangent Engineering. Can you provide their contact information? Thanks very much for sharing Matty.
Gday Patrick, you can contact Jim via email, jimenos@acushnettool.com i'm sure he will get back to you, Thanks fr watching, Cheers
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@ 3:56 using a 2.5 mm drill, a 3 thou shim. Shoot, Kurtis from CEE, would call that 1 Banana, stick him in and get on with it.
Gday Mark, nothing wrong with a banana or 2 mate, Thanks for watching, Cheers
Amazon grade B set is 120 dollars US...
Gday Paul, I’ll check it out, interesting to see what it is in Australian dollars, cheers
👍👍👍😎🇩🇪❤🇦🇺
Thanks for watching mate, Cheers
Curtis Brought me here! Really liked the video and I am learning lots. CAn't wait to see you restore the Klopp! I am a novice machinist and soaking up the info! All the best, Sir, from Charlevoix, Michigan!
Gday, I’m also looking forward to doing the shaper, appreciate you watching and commenting, cheers
@@MattysWorkshop yes indeed! Thanks again. I am tuned in.
Nice one Matt. I wonder if you were to drill and ream near one of your lock bolts for a close fitting pin, so next time you need a 3 MT it would be simple matter of putting a pin in a hole? Just thinking out loud here!
Gday Peter, that’s really not a bad idea, it would have to be absolutely spot on that’s the only thing, thanks for watching mate, cheers