Finally had a chance to listen - wow, what a difference! The newer one introduces some fizzy high end. Sounds way harsher - also sounds more scooped on the mids.
I try not to be that big of a snob and usually think in old vr new comparense that the new one is just as good here not so much. I do a lot of speaker swaps as i beleive they make the biggest easiest change in your amps tone.so old one wins by a shitload to me. Pissed i usually have to get by with the cheaper new one but if we,er just talking tone........
This is not a design and manufacturing problem. I think, since seventies all stuff became rotten. This is a rubber parts, that lost a elasticy, a magnets, that lost a magnetability and something like that. So, you think it's better, but it's just an age.
Forget the cabinets, that song was really tasty Johan! Now back to the cabs, that 71 sounds so sweet on the mid range. It's mellow, it's smooth and I want one. That being said, I think that new one would compliment a heavier rock tone a little better. Great video Johan!
@Johan Segeborn I watch a lot of guitar/tone/review videos to inform myself on what I am looking for in my own tone search. There are dozens of videos that have very capable and even virtuosic guitar players and despite the high level of playing ability, composing in these videos often falls flatter than flat. Opinion is subjective, yes, but one thing that makes your videos so great is your songwriting ability. That is to say, the licks, the riffs and the balance of the "band" to play in it's respective role in a completely digestible way. That and the simple approach you take for recording. I love the drums sound in this one. That kick has sooooo much character. This track has been playing in my mind for 3 days! As always, great work!
Thanks for this comparison. The difference is far beyond I'd expect. I can see that the mic placement is a little different between old and new. In the new one it`s closer to center. It should contribute for the difference we are hearing.
Let me say....the 1971 1960A sounds like a how a good old Whiskey taste, the 2010 is moonshine. Nuff said. Great played as always. Cheers from Jamtland Sweden
I Do so enjoy your split screen mixes! Thanks for using the single coils! Well done and thanks for sharing brother! Be Well Johan! Oh the Cabs? Love them both of course!
Was thinking about getting myself one of those new 4x12 cabs with greenback speakers but after hearing this i now know why i didn't like the 1960ax cab that i once had, so I won't be buying anything. Thank you for this video!
Different to one another for sure , older is warmer , but both good . But the band and tune is so very excellent ! Who are those guys ! LOL Great clip again my friend ! Always the best to be found here ....... lets go !
Excellent song Johan! Love it, and loved getting to hear these in the mix. Both individually sound great, and would be an awesome tone to have. The 1970 cab just sounded clearer and less harsh, much preferred over the newer cab. The 2010 cab while still a great tone, did seem to have a little more edge to it and a bit more treble. Love the band!
Best channel on youtube!!!... would be awesome to if you could test some of the other greenback clones to see if there is some that comes closer to the original
I love when your cam shakes! The power is there! Older: a bit more mid range. New one: more scooped. But let the cab breath for more 20 years. :) The new one is already broken? Nonetheless, the TONE is astonishing. No one is better than another. You should do an album. So cool and refresh! Cheers,
Wow. It’s so different to me, that if I didn’t know, I’d assume the speakers were “a different type”.....great vid. Of course I enjoyed the older one....much more “girth” to my ears.
Had to miss the premier due to work. But, I love your playing in a mix. I think the Original sounds best, but I wouldn't throw out the new one. It may sound a bit smoother with a humbucker equipped guitar. The Strat showed how spiky the highs were on the new cab/speakers. Great video as always bro! God bless.
Do you know where I can find a schematic for the 1959 HW Reissue 100 watt head? Ive looked everywhere online. I did find the non handwired schematic. Is this the same as the handwired? I figured if anyone would know you would. Thanks
Johan Segeborn thanks for getting back to me . Yes I’ve dissected your video on the HW many times and that’s probably all I’ll need. Great video! I will also check out a schematic for the 69 Suoerlead. The issue I’m having is there is a static on the Presence knob when you turn it fully from 0 to 10. It’s not the sound of a typical scratchy pot. It’s a more constant sound. Have you ever experience this on any of your heads. The amp is a 2015 mint condition and works great. Someone online said this normal because the Presence it such a sensitive circuit it amplifies any bump in the travel. You’ve had more experience than anyone with these amps . Have you ever experienced this? Thanks so much!
Johan great video, But i wasnt surprised of the results. Celestion moved their basic line of speakers production to their plant in china somewhere in 2003. Leaving only the heritage series, alnico gold, blue and Mesa's V30 version to still being produced in the UK. Which means that the v30s, g75t12 creambacks and greenbacks are being produced in china with different cone sizes and materials, hence the big difference in sound! However there are some good news, apparently some v30s "marshall label" are still being produced in the UK but only in some of the 1960av and bv models across the UK.
That '71 sound so GOOD. I think it might just be the high end rolling off over the years and giving it this nice warm midrange. The current one sounds more scooped to my ears, and it has this vox top boosty quality. Awesome video!
I really try hard to not be "That guy" that strictly like old gear because it's cool. That being said those older cabs and speakers have consistently impressed me every time Johan has played them. Also, Johan, that was great playing as always! Cheers!!!
To me both cabs sounded good clean. The difference was with dirt the newer cab sounded a little brittle compared to the original which I might add sounded amazing especially with you playing through it. You play some tasty tunes man!
Wow...Day and night difference. The '71 sounds like a warm summer day. Great groove. Have you thought about sharing an Impulse Response of your '71 1960A ? That would be so fun to play with. Thanks as always.
I’ve got a 68 B cab with the original Greenbacks and I’ve had 2 1960ax cabs, one with English reissue Greenbacks and the other with Chinese. This video sums up the differences perfectly. The 1960ax is a decent cab but it just hasn’t got the midrange to handle authentic vintage tones.
I would like to SEE frequency response curves for both... I bet they extended the newer speaker in the upper range... hence the more detailed audibility of artefacts of the gain structure.
Vintage stuff usually is more limited, and guitarists seem to be drawn to this. When I play my 4x10" Jensen Alnico Cab, it also sounds very warm and full etc. But I'm also missing some harmonics in the upper range, sometimes.
Great video as always! Really is amazing how different they sound and the vintage one wins by a country mile in my opinion! Would love to see you do one of these but swap out the close-mic'd speaker in the new cab for a bunch of different modern speakers and compare them. I've heard great things about Scumback Speakers, and loads of people rave about WGS too. Maybe do a little head-to-head of who makes the closest to a vintage Pulsonic coned original? Cheers!
They are basicly two different speakers. The modern greenback is so bright and trebly that it sounds like a different model. I tried newer greenbacks with my JCM 800 but was more satisfied with darker sounding speakers such as g12-65 and WGS et65.
The new one has a harsh high end. Is the difference only speakers or cab as well? Have you tried pulsonics in a new cab or tge chinese greenbacks in the vintage cab?
There is nothing better than G12M T221 75Hz 003 Pre Rola Speakers.....!!!! LOVE my 4x12 from 1969 speakers and my 4x12 from 1970 speakers... its the speakers.... i got rid of the old stinky cabs and put them in new cabs - HEAVEN..... dont know why people buy these speakers like crazy they are worth every penny and i think they are almost as gold as a vintage amp itself
The AX is loaded with the Chinese G12Ms right? But in the Metropolous vid 'Metropoulos G12M Speaker Shootout 2013' the Chinese reissue compares very well with a reference G12M from 1967. I just don't know what to believe!
Just enjoying your great tune this time around!! Am thinking of buying a new greenback to mix with cream back 65 and put the second cream back in a 1x 12 cab to replace a Celestine 70/80.
Johan - thanks for your videos, it's always awesome to watch and learn. I wonder if you didn't have to compensate the head eq with more treble and less middle for the old speakers. If you want the same warmth tone with the new cab, would you be able to achieve it with a different eq?
The camera tells the story. When he’s playing the riff in the lower register, see how the older cab and speakers makes the camera rumble. The newer cab with the reissues doesn’t have the thump to do that. I’m just curious. Since cabinet resonance is a real thing, I wonder if putting the original speakers in the re-issue cabinet would sound the same as the older speakers in the older cabinet. It just makes me wonder if the construction of the cabinet and the wood that was used in the old cabinet is playing a big role in the tone as well. Hmm...
Pretty spot on. I've got a 2000 1960ax and a mid 70s check 1960b with later 1978 black backs 75hz. I think I might swap in 2 out of each to balance out the two cabs and see how it sounds
Anyone have any advice on how to acquire one of these vintage cabs? I am a proud owner of a 72 super lead but currently do not own a cab. I was perfectly fine with getting a new 1960ax but after seeing this video I’m having second thoughts! Ha. I’m guessing modern greenbacks aren’t up to par as the 70s models!? Would using a coiled lead help cut out those nasty frequencies!? Help!
OK.. can any Marshall cab go with any Marshall head? There are so many different heads and cabs. I dont know what to match up to what exactly to get the best possible tone.I was thinking of getting a 1959slp, or a JTM-45 re-issue head and a cab to go with it. What would be the best for either one of those? And how much $$ for head and cab together?
Scumback speakers are great but they don't sound and closet to the originals. The may sound better than the modern clelestipns but they don't sound closer to the originals. Johan has done a video recently where he gathered a bunch of different modern Greemback Reissues including Scumback and Compared to the others the Scumbacks disappointed quite a few people in the comment section and many were surprised they did not perform better. All the reissues were compared to an original example and nobody picked the scumbacks as being closest to the original. Many thought they would perform better . Alot of poeple thought the Warehosue guitar speaker version of the Greenback sounded closer.. There are other videos comparing scumbacks and modern celestions to the originals and the scumbacks didn't sound any closet. They sounded great but they sounded different from the originals. I find the same with PAF replica pickups. Many of them sound a bit better than gibson overall but they don't sound any closer to the originals. The only PAF Replicas I have heard that actually sound quite close to the originals are Electric City pickups . The Electric City RD 59s which are a Paul Kossoff inspired set and the Electric city Royal tribute Jimmy page set are rhe closest I have heard to the originals
All these years I have been buying and selling guitars, trying to get "that" sound. What I finally realized is that the guitar has less to do with good tone than a good amp and cabinet. I now have a Friedman BE100, and this same vintage Mashall cabinet with greenbacks, and even the cheap Indonesian strats and teles sound good through it. My Les Paul, well that goes into the amazing category through my new rig...
Love the 71 cabinet :-) Thank you for doing this essential comparison - such a pity the new Marshall cabinets just don't sound as good. I have tried custom cabinets from other makers that use seasoned wood for the cabinets, with a real attention to detail with the joins on the corners, type of wood glue, grill cloth material, etc. It all makes a difference but cost more of course.
I was actually surprised to hear that the newer cab, with the newer speakers, had a vintage green back meets blackback vibe. I could actually imagine getting a convincing AC/DC (Highway era ) tone.
Yeah, the vintage one is better sounding to my ear for sure. By the way, this track is awesome. Love the groove you've got going and that little overdriven riff is awesome.
Yet again the perfect comparison choice, and yet again you deliver Johan! I wonder how the 50 years aging has affected the sound of that vintage cab, has it sounded like that as new, or has the sound matured as the years have passed? I like the old cab a lot more in this comparision, but the new cab could be better with a LP?
given it's a 2010 you'd think the speakers were broken in? Wonder how they would sound if you swapped the speakers, whether the difference is more in the speaker or the cabinet itself
Fortunately now there are vintage cab impulses that can get you there, besides that it's nearly impossible to own a vintage cab. Thanks Johan for showing this to us 😉, great!
The 2010 grinded more... When you turned the volume up it got in Blackmore territory with your strat Out of phase setting ..... I would of loved it in front of a Friedman O.D wah and MXR Carbon copy... perhaps a chorus/ univibe.. Then let’s your Song ! ✌️✌️✌️✌️🤘🤘 Bice job as always !
Johann you didn't mention about the construction but I would imagine that there is a difference between the two cabinets regarding at least the material used in the back. The other thing that would be interesting to do would be to swap the speakers between the Cabinets to see how much follows the cabinet versus the speaker.
I actually liked the newer one. It let a lot of the high end from the strat through. But I think if i were playing rock with a lot of Overdrive like acdc, I’d prefer the warmness from the old one.
I wonder what would happen if you swapped the original speakers with the reissue, and the reissue speakers with the original? Would the results stay the same? 🤔
The 20 watt new greenback sounds much more like the old 25 watt than the new 25 watt speaker. I would love to hear the new 20w vs old 25w comparison!!! I think the cabinet is fine.
Another great and informative video Johan. The 1971 is smoother and fuller without the harsh high end. Please can you compare the Marshall 425a cab to the 71? It has greenbacks but they are the G12C. .cheers
have you ever done a sound comparison with a jcm 900 1960B cab ? and if so can ya give me the link to your video ? i bought one and it arrived today but i cant play through it until my cables get here , i got a dsl100 H head new for $700 and an evh striped series fender with the painted hockey stick head stock, which i only got because ive always wanted one of eddys guitars but im dieing to hear this thing if you have a vid of it , and ty if ya do
Old cab is the clear winner imo esp with crunchier tones, cleans are good on both.Thanks for focusing more on strat & M greenbacks instead of humbucker guitars with H greenbacks like you used to as I'm a big strat over plexi/G12M evangelist. Though I'm curious how the old cab would stand up to cab loaded with a broken in set of Heritage Greenbacks in this same setting. The Heritage G12M's are significantly better sounding than the regular reissues (I'm not so impressed by the Hertiage G12H but I do like the Heritage G12Ms a lot). Keep up the good work ♫ Karst & EXP // Amsterdam // The Netherlands
The 1971 sound more lively and open to me. The 2010 sounds a bit nasal in direct compare. Both sound great, though. I play a 1960AX from the late 90`s myself and still love this cab. Great compare, love it! Keep it up, Johan \\M//
Hi Johan, have you ever tried the Heritage 20w Greenbacks? I'd really like to know if they are closer to the original ones than the standard Greenback reissues. I actually like the standard ones too, but this video shows there still is a difference with the vintage ones. I have seen your latest video with the 20w speakers and they sound great, so I'd like to know how close the Heritage ones could get to them
Alright. Johan I watch all your videos. Thank you for all the effort. It makes buying gear a lot easier because you do the hard work. In your opinion what is the reason for the difference in sound. I prefer the old cab. Sound is much warmer.
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the 2010 sounds fine on its own, BUT the 1971 just has a special low end warmth to it that puts it ahead !
1971 was sooooo much better in the recording.
Finally had a chance to listen - wow, what a difference! The newer one introduces some fizzy high end. Sounds way harsher - also sounds more scooped on the mids.
Its crazy how different the top end and mids are. The vintage stuff really is magical.
Vintage stuff is old and used, that's all.
@@Honeythebeebee no way the new speakers are gonna sound like the vintage ones when they are used. They sound like totally different speaker models.
@@MariJu1ce Who knows? It obvious that these old speakers (and amps) sounded brighter back in the days
That song in the begining is awesome dude! The bass part especially opens it up a lot, EVERYONE CALL OUT JOHAN FOR A SECOND ALBUM!
Thanks my friend, it will be my pleasure!
Would love to hear something featuring a superbass, that vintage ABR on the reissue les paul, and the older cabinet in this vid!
VERY Sticky Fingers era KEEF!
The 1971 is so much smoother. 2010 lacks a balanced sound. I'd still play either in a heartbeat.
Old cab is meaty and balanced, the new one nasal and thin. Some vintage stuff costs more for a real reason 👌
It certainly does :-)
@@JohanSegeborn Johan, is the newer cab "played in"? Because that can make a HUGE difference tonally.
the 70's one sounds so much better, the new one is way too bright.
I try not to be that big of a snob and usually think in old vr new comparense that the new one is just as good here not so much. I do a lot of speaker swaps as i beleive they make the biggest easiest change in your amps tone.so old one wins by a shitload to me. Pissed i usually have to get by with the cheaper new one but if we,er just talking tone........
This is not a design and manufacturing problem. I think, since seventies all stuff became rotten. This is a rubber parts, that lost a elasticy, a magnets, that lost a magnetability and something like that. So, you think it's better, but it's just an age.
Forget the cabinets, that song was really tasty Johan! Now back to the cabs, that 71 sounds so sweet on the mid range. It's mellow, it's smooth and I want one. That being said, I think that new one would compliment a heavier rock tone a little better. Great video Johan!
I bought my first real Marshall today! 1987x after years watching this channel. Thanks Johan!
@Johan Segeborn I watch a lot of guitar/tone/review videos to inform myself on what I am looking for in my own tone search. There are dozens of videos that have very capable and even virtuosic guitar players and despite the high level of playing ability, composing in these videos often falls flatter than flat. Opinion is subjective, yes, but one thing that makes your videos so great is your songwriting ability. That is to say, the licks, the riffs and the balance of the "band" to play in it's respective role in a completely digestible way. That and the simple approach you take for recording. I love the drums sound in this one. That kick has sooooo much character. This track has been playing in my mind for 3 days! As always, great work!
Original wins. Hands down. Deeper, more complex, less grainy/harsh, fuller. No contest.
Thanks for this comparison. The difference is far beyond I'd expect. I can see that the mic placement is a little different between old and new. In the new one it`s closer to center. It should contribute for the difference we are hearing.
Let me say....the 1971 1960A sounds like a how a good old Whiskey taste, the 2010 is moonshine. Nuff said. Great played as always. Cheers from Jamtland Sweden
Excellent comparison! Gonna go have me a little whiskey... thanks for the inspiration!
LOL Perfect analogy!
I Do so enjoy your split screen mixes! Thanks for using the single coils! Well done and thanks for sharing brother! Be Well Johan!
Oh the Cabs? Love them both of course!
Thanks Brother, glad you like the format! Cheers!
Huge difference. The old cab’s sound is much more musical. Excellent vid and playing, once again 👏👏
They both sound great, and great playing as well.
Yeah, and all those guys gloryfying vintage go over the band. New is good, brighter so what?
Cheers for the comparison Johan, you always do a great musical demo! Hope you’re well man🤘Vintage cab for me😊
Was thinking about getting myself one of those new 4x12 cabs with greenback speakers but after hearing this i now know why i didn't like the 1960ax cab that i once had, so I won't be buying anything. Thank you for this video!
Wow! Missing the kids big time in the new cab. Great stuff Johan!
Different to one another for sure , older is warmer , but both good . But the band and tune is so very excellent ! Who are those guys ! LOL Great clip again my friend ! Always the best to be found here ....... lets go !
Excellent song Johan! Love it, and loved getting to hear these in the mix. Both individually sound great, and would be an awesome tone to have. The 1970 cab just sounded clearer and less harsh, much preferred over the newer cab. The 2010 cab while still a great tone, did seem to have a little more edge to it and a bit more treble. Love the band!
Johan, another great video. You are amazing. For me, I favor the older cabinet, but both sound nice.
Thanks Jim! :-)
I'm diggin this jam...the 71 for sure.
You make me want to pick up my guitar Johan! Have a great week!
Thanks Andy, you make my day man!
The Reissue Cab sounds brighter and more open but i like the original more! Great as always! Regards from Austria!👌Great tones!
Best channel on youtube!!!... would be awesome to if you could test some of the other greenback clones to see if there is some that comes closer to the original
Killer riffs! You are a living legend Mr. Segeborn!
The older one all year long pal! Thanks for another great 'vs' demo
I love when your cam shakes! The power is there!
Older: a bit more mid range. New one: more scooped. But let the cab breath for more 20 years. :) The new one is already broken?
Nonetheless, the TONE is astonishing. No one is better than another.
You should do an album. So cool and refresh!
Cheers,
Wow. It’s so different to me, that if I didn’t know, I’d assume the speakers were “a different type”.....great vid. Of course I enjoyed the older one....much more “girth” to my ears.
Would love hear both cabs in stereo. I bet it would be wicked! Great video. Thank you!
Great Marshall collection Johan!
Had to miss the premier due to work. But, I love your playing in a mix. I think the Original sounds best, but I wouldn't throw out the new one. It may sound a bit smoother with a humbucker equipped guitar. The Strat showed how spiky the highs were on the new cab/speakers. Great video as always bro! God bless.
Thanks brother! I will do Les Paul version of the video too soon. Cheers
Johan Segeborn god bless ;-) Exactly what I'm waiting for!
Do you know where I can find a schematic for the 1959 HW Reissue 100 watt head? Ive looked everywhere online. I did find the non handwired schematic. Is this the same as the handwired? I figured if anyone would know you would. Thanks
Hi Mike, I haven’t seen any printed schematic for it, but it has basically the same specs as a 1969 Super Lead
Here’s pictures and reference to circuit for my 1959HW
ua-cam.com/video/I49eCSgM1us/v-deo.html
You can interpret the color coding of the resistors here
www.allaboutcircuits.com/tools/resistor-color-code-calculator/
Johan Segeborn thanks for getting back to me . Yes I’ve dissected your video on the HW many times and that’s probably all I’ll need. Great video! I will also check out a schematic for the 69 Suoerlead. The issue I’m having is there is a static on the Presence knob when you turn it fully from 0 to 10. It’s not the sound of a typical scratchy pot. It’s a more constant sound. Have you ever experience this on any of your heads. The amp is a 2015 mint condition and works great. Someone online said this normal because the Presence it such a sensitive circuit it amplifies any bump in the travel. You’ve had more experience than anyone with these amps . Have you ever experienced this? Thanks so much!
Johan great video, But i wasnt surprised of the results.
Celestion moved their basic line of speakers production to their plant in china somewhere in 2003.
Leaving only the heritage series, alnico gold, blue and Mesa's V30 version to still being produced in the UK.
Which means that the v30s, g75t12 creambacks and greenbacks are being
produced in china with different cone sizes and materials, hence the
big difference in sound!
However there are some good news, apparently some v30s "marshall label" are still being produced in the UK but only in some of the 1960av and bv models across the UK.
That '71 sound so GOOD.
I think it might just be the high end rolling off over the years and giving it this nice warm midrange.
The current one sounds more scooped to my ears, and it has this vox top boosty quality.
Awesome video!
Wow. I love it.. Hendrix tone all the way.. awesome amp Johan!!!!!!
Love this mate!! The 71 for me, but great riff sounds, rocking out with the band
Sounds like whoever was in charge of that AX project has lost most of their hearing in the upper frequencies.
I really try hard to not be "That guy" that strictly like old gear because it's cool. That being said those older cabs and speakers have consistently impressed me every time Johan has played them. Also, Johan, that was great playing as always! Cheers!!!
Very nice sound and grooves Johan !!
Thanks Tom!
Johan your music sounds great like the old vinyls. Greetings from Argentina.
Thanks my friend, you make my day!
The old one is warmer, has more voice. Great playing as usual!
By the way, your drumming is getting serious Johan, congrats man!
Thanks man! You make my day!
Have the 1960 AC 4x12 ( 25 W greenbacks. 100W at 16ohm) got it back in around 2001. Love it paired with my Marshall JCM2000 TSL 60 head.
To me both cabs sounded good clean. The difference was with dirt the newer cab sounded a little brittle compared to the original which I might add sounded amazing especially with you playing through it. You play some tasty tunes man!
Thanks man, great to hear that!
Wow...Day and night difference. The '71 sounds like a warm summer day.
Great groove.
Have you thought about sharing an Impulse Response of your '71 1960A ?
That would be so fun to play with.
Thanks as always.
Thanks Lu! Hopefully I will do an Impulse response video soon and then we can document some of the cabs.
That would be awesome.
Thanks for the reply :)
The Segeborn Brothers strike again!! 1971 for me Johan,great comparison mate \m/
Hi Johan, definetely another great tune for your future LP, kinda remind me of the Stones at times. See ya on next wednesday. Cheers.
Really enjoyed the playing, great sounds and I’m going to have to go for the original. Just sounded so right.
I’ve got a 68 B cab with the original Greenbacks and I’ve had 2 1960ax cabs, one with English reissue Greenbacks and the other with Chinese. This video sums up the differences perfectly.
The 1960ax is a decent cab but it just hasn’t got the midrange to handle authentic vintage tones.
I would like to SEE frequency response curves for both... I bet they extended the newer speaker in the upper range... hence the more detailed audibility of artefacts of the gain structure.
Vintage stuff usually is more limited, and guitarists seem to be drawn to this. When I play my 4x10" Jensen Alnico Cab, it also sounds very warm and full etc. But I'm also missing some harmonics in the upper range, sometimes.
Digging the sound of that bass drum.
Great video as always! Really is amazing how different they sound and the vintage one wins by a country mile in my opinion! Would love to see you do one of these but swap out the close-mic'd speaker in the new cab for a bunch of different modern speakers and compare them. I've heard great things about Scumback Speakers, and loads of people rave about WGS too. Maybe do a little head-to-head of who makes the closest to a vintage Pulsonic coned original? Cheers!
They are basicly two different speakers. The modern greenback is so bright and trebly that it sounds like a different model. I tried newer greenbacks with my JCM 800 but was more satisfied with darker sounding speakers such as g12-65 and WGS et65.
The new one has a harsh high end. Is the difference only speakers or cab as well? Have you tried pulsonics in a new cab or tge chinese greenbacks in the vintage cab?
The speakers in the old cab are obviously super broken in. Aged wood as well. The real test would be to swap the speakers out😊
There is nothing better than G12M T221 75Hz 003 Pre Rola Speakers.....!!!! LOVE my 4x12 from 1969 speakers and my 4x12 from 1970 speakers... its the speakers.... i got rid of the old stinky cabs and put them in new cabs - HEAVEN..... dont know why people buy these speakers like crazy they are worth every penny and i think they are almost as gold as a vintage amp itself
The AX is loaded with the Chinese G12Ms right? But in the Metropolous vid 'Metropoulos G12M Speaker Shootout 2013' the Chinese reissue compares very well with a reference G12M from 1967. I just don't know what to believe!
Very cool song and the pocket is great! Cab, 1970 by far
Just enjoying your great tune this time around!! Am thinking of buying a new greenback to mix with cream back 65 and put the second cream back in a 1x 12 cab to replace a Celestine 70/80.
I don't know, hearing the "71 next to the '10 made the 2010 cab sound awful fizzy and harsh. Thank you Johan for another great video.
Now, the question for me is, is there another Marshall cab that sounds closer to the old cab than the compared 2010 cab?
50 year old vs. 10 year old speakers gonna be smoother
Johan - thanks for your videos, it's always awesome to watch and learn. I wonder if you didn't have to compensate the head eq with more treble and less middle for the old speakers. If you want the same warmth tone with the new cab, would you be able to achieve it with a different eq?
Sounds like the 2010 has the mic placed closer to the center of the speaker.
The camera tells the story. When he’s playing the riff in the lower register, see how the older cab and speakers makes the camera rumble. The newer cab with the reissues doesn’t have the thump to do that. I’m just curious. Since cabinet resonance is a real thing, I wonder if putting the original speakers in the re-issue cabinet would sound the same as the older speakers in the older cabinet. It just makes me wonder if the construction of the cabinet and the wood that was used in the old cabinet is playing a big role in the tone as well. Hmm...
The microphones are not in the same position, how can you make the comparison???
Pretty spot on. I've got a 2000 1960ax and a mid 70s check 1960b with later 1978 black backs 75hz. I think I might swap in 2 out of each to balance out the two cabs and see how it sounds
Anyone have any advice on how to acquire one of these vintage cabs? I am a proud owner of a 72 super lead but currently do not own a cab. I was perfectly fine with getting a new 1960ax but after seeing this video I’m having second thoughts! Ha. I’m guessing modern greenbacks aren’t up to par as the 70s models!? Would using a coiled lead help cut out those nasty frequencies!? Help!
OK.. can any Marshall cab go with any Marshall head? There are so many different heads and cabs. I dont know what to match up to what exactly to get the best possible tone.I was thinking of getting a 1959slp, or a JTM-45 re-issue head and a cab to go with it. What would be the best for either one of those? And how much $$ for head and cab together?
Love the vintage grill cloth!
So what is the difference other than speakers and age? Same type of wood and bracing or different?
Would be cool to see how close we could get the two cabs to sound with a speaker change. Maybe scumback speakers?
Scumback speakers are great but they don't sound and closet to the originals. The may sound better than the modern clelestipns but they don't sound closer to the originals. Johan has done a video recently where he gathered a bunch of different modern Greemback Reissues including Scumback and Compared to the others the Scumbacks disappointed quite a few people in the comment section and many were surprised they did not perform better. All the reissues were compared to an original example and nobody picked the scumbacks as being closest to the original. Many thought they would perform better . Alot of poeple thought the Warehosue guitar speaker version of the Greenback sounded closer..
There are other videos comparing scumbacks and modern celestions to the originals and the scumbacks didn't sound any closet. They sounded great but they sounded different from the originals.
I find the same with PAF replica pickups. Many of them sound a bit better than gibson overall but they don't sound any closer to the originals. The only PAF Replicas I have heard that actually sound quite close to the originals are Electric City pickups . The Electric City RD 59s which are a Paul Kossoff inspired set and the Electric city Royal tribute Jimmy page set are rhe closest I have heard to the originals
All these years I have been buying and selling guitars, trying to get "that" sound. What I finally realized is that the guitar has less to do with good tone than a good amp and cabinet. I now have a Friedman BE100, and this same vintage Mashall cabinet with greenbacks, and even the cheap Indonesian strats and teles sound good through it. My Les Paul, well that goes into the amazing category through my new rig...
The old cab is my favorite like others have said, but the new one ain't to shabby either. Cheers from northwest Canada.
Big difference. Could it be different wiring or maybe even different wood the cabinets are made of? Or are they the exact same as well?
Hi, Johan!
Don't know why, but the model of 2010 sounds good with 1960 AX, but the sound itself is very respectful! I like it.
See you,
Zigfrid
Thanks Zigfrid! See you
Love the 71 cabinet :-) Thank you for doing this essential comparison - such a pity the new Marshall cabinets just don't sound as good. I have tried custom cabinets from other makers that use seasoned wood for the cabinets, with a real attention to detail with the joins on the corners, type of wood glue, grill cloth material, etc. It all makes a difference but cost more of course.
I was actually surprised to hear that the newer cab, with the newer speakers, had a vintage green back meets blackback vibe. I could actually imagine getting a convincing AC/DC (Highway era ) tone.
Not even close. Love the 1971 version better. Once again an awesome demo!
Yeah, the vintage one is better sounding to my ear for sure. By the way, this track is awesome. Love the groove you've got going and that little overdriven riff is awesome.
Yet again the perfect comparison choice, and yet again you deliver Johan! I wonder how the 50 years aging has affected the sound of that vintage cab, has it sounded like that as new, or has the sound matured as the years have passed? I like the old cab a lot more in this comparision, but the new cab could be better with a LP?
given it's a 2010 you'd think the speakers were broken in? Wonder how they would sound if you swapped the speakers, whether the difference is more in the speaker or the cabinet itself
Fortunately now there are vintage cab impulses that can get you there, besides that it's nearly impossible to own a vintage cab. Thanks Johan for showing this to us 😉, great!
Hi Rodney! We should do a Cab Vs corresponding IR video here soon! Cheers
@@JohanSegeborn Awesome! Looking forward to watching that one 😊. Thanks again
The 2010 grinded more... When you turned the volume up it got in Blackmore territory with your strat Out of phase setting ..... I would of loved it in front of a Friedman O.D wah and MXR Carbon copy... perhaps a chorus/ univibe.. Then let’s your Song ! ✌️✌️✌️✌️🤘🤘 Bice job as always !
Johann you didn't mention about the construction but I would imagine that there is a difference between the two cabinets regarding at least the material used in the back. The other thing that would be interesting to do would be to swap the speakers between the Cabinets to see how much follows the cabinet versus the speaker.
The Johan brothers just kick ass!
I actually liked the newer one. It let a lot of the high end from the strat through. But I think if i were playing rock with a lot of Overdrive like acdc, I’d prefer the warmness from the old one.
I would be very interested to know what you think of the Fane Ascension speaker series Johan
I wonder what would happen if you swapped the original speakers with the reissue, and the reissue speakers with the original? Would the results stay the same? 🤔
Love your vids man!
The 20 watt new greenback sounds much more like the old 25 watt than the new 25 watt speaker. I would love to hear the new 20w vs old 25w comparison!!! I think the cabinet is fine.
matt whit Id like to hear Johan do that comparison for sure !
Another great and informative video Johan. The 1971 is smoother and fuller without the harsh high end.
Please can you compare the Marshall 425a cab to the 71? It has greenbacks but they are the G12C.
.cheers
have you ever done a sound comparison with a jcm 900 1960B cab ? and if so can ya give me the link to your video ? i bought one and it arrived today but i cant play through it until my cables get here , i got a dsl100 H head new for $700 and an evh striped series fender with the painted hockey stick head stock, which i only got because ive always wanted one of eddys guitars but im dieing to hear this thing if you have a vid of it , and ty if ya do
Old cab is the clear winner imo esp with crunchier tones, cleans are good on both.Thanks for focusing more on strat & M greenbacks instead of humbucker guitars with H greenbacks like you used to as I'm a big strat over plexi/G12M evangelist. Though I'm curious how the old cab would stand up to cab loaded with a broken in set of Heritage Greenbacks in this same setting. The Heritage G12M's are significantly better sounding than the regular reissues (I'm not so impressed by the Hertiage G12H but I do like the Heritage G12Ms a lot). Keep up the good work ♫ Karst & EXP // Amsterdam // The Netherlands
The 1971 sound more lively and open to me. The 2010 sounds a bit nasal in direct compare. Both sound great, though. I play a 1960AX from the late 90`s myself and still love this cab. Great compare, love it! Keep it up, Johan \\M//
Hi Johan, have you ever tried the Heritage 20w Greenbacks? I'd really like to know if they are closer to the original ones than the standard Greenback reissues. I actually like the standard ones too, but this video shows there still is a difference with the vintage ones. I have seen your latest video with the 20w speakers and they sound great, so I'd like to know how close the Heritage ones could get to them
Alright. Johan I watch all your videos. Thank you for all the effort. It makes buying gear a lot easier because you do the hard work. In your opinion what is the reason for the difference in sound. I prefer the old cab. Sound is much warmer.
Thanks, I’m glad to hear that! The primary reason is the speakers, and the paper cones are really important there.
Upper mid bump on the newer cabinet. Both are great, just different.
Thanks for this video! I'm wondering if the mic placement was exact on both cabinet? The newer cab sounds brighter.