another Riemann-Zeta function identity.

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  • @dingo_dude
    @dingo_dude 4 роки тому +16

    beautiful how these sums always converge to such nice values

  • @emanuellandeholm5657
    @emanuellandeholm5657 4 роки тому +11

    This identity, and its proof, was most satisfying to me.Thanks for this exercise, Michael Penn!
    27:00 is the exact moment my jaw dropped.

  • @samharper5881
    @samharper5881 4 роки тому +16

    I figured out a few of these identities a while ago just by playing around with Mathematica; it's been cool to see them shown in these videos lately.

  • @sumukhhegde6677
    @sumukhhegde6677 4 роки тому +47

    Return of "that's a good place to stop"

  • @pharaohgarmar5611
    @pharaohgarmar5611 4 роки тому +1

    Brilliant. Two suggestions: (1) explain why other routes may not work or are more difficult (2) have a numbering system for your videos so that when you refer back, it’s easier to find.

  • @jayantimajumder4151
    @jayantimajumder4151 2 роки тому

    In first tool, the occured integral is the Laplace transform of x^(2n-1) in terms of (m+1)..
    So, we get:(2n-1)factorial/(m+1)^2n.The factorials will be cancel out and the rest is infinite sum from m=1to inf.1/m^(2n) which is Riemann zetaof (2n)..

  • @joshuagreenberg1301
    @joshuagreenberg1301 4 роки тому +8

    When doing the repeated integration by parts to establish the first of the "tools", I'm confused. He says we end up doing it 2n times, but why isn't it 2n-1 times? It seems like 2n-1 iterations is enough to get the power of x down to zero.

    • @leanansidhe6332
      @leanansidhe6332 4 роки тому +2

      I think he just said it wrong.

    • @thomashoffmann8857
      @thomashoffmann8857 4 роки тому +10

      You need to do 2n-1 times the partial integration. Another (m+1) comes from integration of the exponential function. Together you will get 2n factors of (m+1).
      The explanation was wrong but the calculation was right in the end :)

    • @sergiokorochinsky49
      @sergiokorochinsky49 4 роки тому +1

      @@thomashoffmann8857, good point, I didn't see that, but you are right.

  • @alainbrizard4719
    @alainbrizard4719 4 роки тому +1

    At 4:12, introduce the transformation t = (m+1) x and use properties of the Gamma function. In one line, you get zeta(2n). No need for integration by parts.

  • @michuosas
    @michuosas 4 роки тому

    Math is wonderful. People like you show the world reasons why they should pursue math. Just amazing.

  • @davidgoett8655
    @davidgoett8655 4 роки тому

    At 2:31, could you please give a little more explanation of how to use the dominated convergence theorem? What is the dominating function here?

  • @The1RandomFool
    @The1RandomFool 4 роки тому

    I didn't expect such a simple answer given how much work is required to get it.

  • @martinyang5596
    @martinyang5596 4 роки тому

    Seamlessly done!

  • @txikitofandango
    @txikitofandango 4 роки тому

    9:30 If you did the integration-by-parts process (2n) times, you'd still end up with an integral of a constant times e^(-(m+1)x), right? So where did that part go?

    • @axemenace6637
      @axemenace6637 4 роки тому

      Actually, you only take the antiderivative 2n-1 times. Then, you take the integral of e^-(m+1)x, and find that it equals 1/m+1. This gives you 1/(m+1)^2n.

  • @Bayerwaldler
    @Bayerwaldler 4 роки тому

    11:25 Instead of L'Hopital: e^(-x) = 1 - x + x^2/2 + h.o.t. (higher order terms) as x->0 by Taylor expansion. So the term in paranthesis equals -(x^2/2) / x^2 + h.o.t = -1/2 + h.o.t -> -1/2 as x->0

    • @digxx
      @digxx 4 роки тому +1

      That is basically the same!

  • @riadsouissi
    @riadsouissi 4 роки тому +1

    Another way was to replace 1/2n+1 by integral x^2n from 0 to 1 and 1/n+1 by integral of y^n.
    After expanding the sum (over k) of the zeta function, and swapping the sum with the double integral, I end up with a sum of a geometric series, then with some substitution, I get:
    Sum(-k * integral from 0 to 1/k of (log(1-t^2)/t^2 + 1) dt)
    Developing the integral, I get:
    Sum(k(k-1)log(k-1)+k(k+1)log(k+1)-2k^2log(k)-1). Notice the -1 at the end.
    This series has some nice telescoping factors (across 3 terms) so I end up with terms left over at infinity and sum of (-1). I get:
    Lim k to infinity of (k(k+1)log(1+1/k) -k).
    Using Taylor expansion of the logarithm to the second degree, the limit gives me exactly 1/2.
    By the way, using similar method, I can also calculate sum(zeta(2n)/(2n+1)(n)) = log(2*pi)-1 (in this case, the telescoping series leave a log of k factorial, which can be approximated using striling formula)

  • @bhanusri3732
    @bhanusri3732 4 роки тому

    At 7:22 l'hospital rule have to be applied couple of times but when i tried i need to apply 2n - 1 times to cancel out the x term in numerator? What is the way to do it in couple of times?

    • @thomashoffmann8857
      @thomashoffmann8857 4 роки тому +1

      Each time you apply l'hospitals rule the exponential function stays the same but the power of x is reduced by one. So in the end the x-power vanishes and e^-(m+1)x stays and wins.

    • @bhanusri3732
      @bhanusri3732 4 роки тому

      @@angelmendez-rivera351 Thank you

    • @bhanusri3732
      @bhanusri3732 4 роки тому

      @@thomashoffmann8857 Yes thank you

  • @alainbarnier1995
    @alainbarnier1995 4 роки тому

    Someone could explain the e^(x) + e^(-x) sum please, at around 18:50 ? Or the link to the "previous video" that explain it ? And a big up to Pr Penn for introduce us to Riemann-Zeta function and all intersting stuff !

    • @mosesose8814
      @mosesose8814 2 роки тому

      Maybe a bit late but the sum is the taylor expansion of cosh(x) which is equal to (e^{x}+e^{-x})/2 where he takes the factor of 2 into the brackets :)

  • @عمرانآلعمران-و7خ
    @عمرانآلعمران-و7خ 4 роки тому

    Hi
    your work is amazingly stunning
    for the first tool , we may use a well-known functinal equation to prove it, namely, integral from 0 to infinity of (u^(x-1))*(e^u -1) du = gamma(x) * zeta(x) and plugging x= 2n
    Have a great day!

  • @radhab8761
    @radhab8761 4 роки тому +1

    I saw it some where but cannot remember thanks for explaining

  • @bndrcr82a08e349g
    @bndrcr82a08e349g 2 роки тому

    Very very very very good channel

  • @hanibahout
    @hanibahout 4 роки тому

    Question : at 9.30 shouldn't the iteration be repeated 2n-1 times and the integrale calculated generating an additionnal (m+1) in the denominator and resulting in a (m+1)to the power 2n ? thank you for your answer.

    • @thomashoffmann8857
      @thomashoffmann8857 4 роки тому +1

      Yes... Same question and answer below. One m+1 comes from integration of the exponential function.

  • @chritophergaafele8922
    @chritophergaafele8922 4 роки тому

    you are using the Bose intergral

  • @LouisEmery
    @LouisEmery 4 роки тому

    That was wonderful. It's like watching my kids building minecraft structures, i.e. moving things (factors) up and down.
    BTW, who asked to evaluate the sum of the zeta function in the first place? Is there an application?

  • @Kapomafioso
    @Kapomafioso 2 роки тому

    4:30 easier proof for general n (not just integer), without using integration by parts:
    substitute (m+1) x = u, replace 2n = a
    integrand = x^(a-1) / (a-1)! e^(-(m+1)x) = u^(a-1) / ((m+1)^(a-1) * Gamma(a)) e^(-u) * du / (m+1) = (1/(m+1)^a * Gamma(a)) * u^(a-1) e^(-u) du
    Integrating over u yields Gamma (a) by definition, so (summing over m)
    zeta(a) = sum_m = 0^infty 1/(m+1)^a = sum_m = 1^infty 1/m^a
    This holds for Re(a) > 1.

  • @tucantipack
    @tucantipack 4 роки тому

    sum of ln(zeta(n)), from n=2 to infinity, pleasee

  • @FisicoNuclearCuantico
    @FisicoNuclearCuantico 4 роки тому

    @9:40 there is a mistake. You did a good job.

    • @FisicoNuclearCuantico
      @FisicoNuclearCuantico 4 роки тому

      @Michael Penn Tool #1 IS the tool itself.

    • @FisicoNuclearCuantico
      @FisicoNuclearCuantico 4 роки тому

      I made a mistake. You are correct.

    • @axemenace6637
      @axemenace6637 4 роки тому

      @@FisicoNuclearCuantico his explanation was wrong, but the result is correct. You only do integration by parts 2n-1 times, and the other 1/m+1 term comes from the antiderivative of e^-(m+1)x

    • @FisicoNuclearCuantico
      @FisicoNuclearCuantico 4 роки тому

      @@axemenace6637 Let me check.

    • @FisicoNuclearCuantico
      @FisicoNuclearCuantico 4 роки тому

      @@axemenace6637 The proof is correct, but rather incomplete. I prefer considering the integral of e^(-nx)*x^(s - 1) from zero to infinity and then integrating by parts. This will give (1/n^s)*Pi(s - 1), where Pi(x) is the extended Gamma function. We then introduce a Summation on both sides of the equation from n = 1 to infinity. This will give equation three on Riemann's 1859 paper www.claymath.org/sites/default/files/ezeta.pdf. You then divide both sides by Pi(s - 1) and substitute s equals 2n. Recall Pi(s - 1) = (s - 1)!.

  • @wallythe-k4036
    @wallythe-k4036 4 роки тому

    Almost perfect except at 12:00 that limit using L’H the second term will result in circular reasoning, remind of how you derive the limit of e^-x using the definition🙃

    • @emanuellandeholm5657
      @emanuellandeholm5657 4 роки тому +1

      L'Hospital is inherently circular. You have to assume you're dealing with a proper limit.

  • @nicolascamargo8339
    @nicolascamargo8339 2 роки тому

    Excelente resultado muy bueno jajaja

  • @chritophergaafele8922
    @chritophergaafele8922 4 роки тому

    This is true genius....

  • @Re-lx1md
    @Re-lx1md 2 роки тому

    Power

  • @boukaddid
    @boukaddid 4 роки тому

    Fonction Zita, merci professeur

  • @neeraj399
    @neeraj399 4 роки тому

    I need some help regarding something I ended up deriving by chance. I have posted it as a question here: math.stackexchange.com/questions/3738442/identity-involving-a-relation-between-zetas-and-zetas1-for-integers-s . I’ll be glad if you can do a video explaining this identity. Thanks!

  • @zygoloid
    @zygoloid 4 роки тому

    and now we apply the trick, and the trick is... [integrating it]

  • @Reboxy1
    @Reboxy1 2 роки тому

    Why the fuck does wolframalpha give me the answer of 0.497516 ????????

  • @orangehokage2065
    @orangehokage2065 4 роки тому

    Least view to best thing .

  • @Czeckie
    @Czeckie 4 роки тому

    very cute

  • @advaithnair8152
    @advaithnair8152 4 роки тому

    Sir pls. Solve this for me
    A sequence a(n) is defined by a(1) = a(2) = 1, a(3) = 4 and for all other n
    a(n) = m(a(n-1) + a(n-2)) - a(n-3)
    Here m is a positive integer.
    Determine all m such that every term of the sequence is a whole square

    • @yakov9ify
      @yakov9ify 4 роки тому +1

      We know that all squares are either 1 or 0 in mod 4 so a(n) will also follow that then if m is 0 in mod 4 then term a(4) will never be a square.
      Now the first three terms are 0 1 and 1 mod 4 so in order for a(4) to be a square m cannot be 3 mod 4 either which narrows this down to 1,2 mod 4. Now if it is 1 mod 4 then a(4) will be 0 mod 4 and thus a(5) will be 3 mod 4 which isn't a square so now m can't be 1 mod 4 either. The only option is thus 2 mod 4. So that narrows down the options but I haven't thought about the rest.

    • @michuosas
      @michuosas 4 роки тому

      a4 is 4m which means m is a perfect square. (2m)^2

    • @michuosas
      @michuosas 4 роки тому

      I have also checked other terms of the sequence and for many there is no m really that would reveal them as perfect squares. If you meant that m is strictly positive you my friend have no m to satisfy the propriety.

    • @michuosas
      @michuosas 4 роки тому

      @@angelmendez-rivera351 i read the parantheses wrong. I accidently wrote the - a(n-3) inside the big paranthese. Thanks for pointing it out.

    • @michuosas
      @michuosas 4 роки тому

      I believe that for m=2 it may be provable by induction that the general term is a(n) =f(n) ^2 where f(n) is the sequence of Fibonacci numbers. It sort of implies that this maybe the only solution for m but this is just a guess.